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Second visual snow thread unjustly and honestly... not really comprehensibly, deleted. ...../<><><><><><><><><><><><>\ |-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~| .....\<><><><><><><><><><><><>/ Archived: https://archive.is/y5rLN https://archive.ph/yyXym Continue discussion ITT.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf. If you continue to post terirble opening posts without elaboration and the replies continue to be Rule 6 violations, then this thread will be deleted again.)

considering the kinds of threads that don't get deleted(especially on /drg/ and /hum/) that mod is off his rocker i fully endorse op and all copycats never stop making visual snow threads. that mod has some kind of perverse sensitivity to the subject.

If the issue is that the OP is too short(as this is the only difference between these threads and low quality threads that don't get deleted) then Lainchan should just have a longer minimum word count. As evidently the issue has absolutely nothing to do with the actual content of the OP or any prompting for discussion. There are much worse threads but I suppose because the OP rambles in broken english with zero prompting of dialogue for at least a paragraph they don't get deleted.

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Wow. Even the critique was deleted. Surprised you don't just delete the /q/ thread too. Is locking it really good enough? Are you absolutely sure? People can still see it you know, it may influence them in unforeseen ways. Don't push me! He says within. Whatever. The thread is derailed and disbanded, its momentum is lost, trust is broken. This thread is done anyway. So for whatever reason you do as you do, you accomplished what you wanted. Now what remains is the optics game, to walk a fine line. Wonder what would happen if I didn't archive it? Other than some prick arbitrarily deleting your time and energy that is.

I also want to make it clear. The thread was locked after: >>>q/11657 So this reply >>>/q/11658 is a mod, or someone with posting privileges. Just what is it about visual snow? Or is it any medical topic?

>>68136 That was me. I deleted my own post because no one would have a chance to respond to me and that didn't seem fair. I didn't realize the thread was locked or I wouldn't have posted for that reason. The issue isn't visual snow, it's you being a not understanding that how you start the thread is important. I didn't want to disrupt anything, but I did want to have a genuine discussion with you about this so you'd have a better understanding about how quality is important. but I don't think you will, so I will drop it. Enjoy your visual snow thread, but do note that we have had the "visual snow" discussion to the point of general disinterest. (Everyone seemed to have lost interest when someone posted an article about how to correct it, involving vitamin D, K2, and some other vitamin... But it apparently only worked when it wasn't related to LSD-use. I'm likely recalling this incorrectly, maybe someone else could bring it up.) Anyways, cheers.

>>>/q/11657 TY appleman for sparing this thread. I agree the OP could've been much better. Also a bit surprised it is on /hum/ and not /drg/, but whatever. >>68137 >involving vitamin D, K2, and some other vitamin... But it apparently only worked when it wasn't related to LSD-use I must've missed this. Has anyone itt had experience with this?

>>68187 High dose vitamin D with K2 didn't affect it for me.

>>68190 >>68187 It was with k2, d, Lutein, and Zeaxanthin. It was mostly good with eye sight. Don't forget to do the eye exercises, Lains.

Caffeine, mucuna pruriens, and sleep deprivation make my VS a lot more intemse. Afterimages, flashes of light, the static itself. Went to turn on my shower this morning and saw a bright purple flash when my hand touched the faucet. Couldn't have been a static discharge because there was a delay. I'll see lashed a blue occasionally as well. It seem to be blue and purple primarily. Feels like I haven't slept in days. I probably haven't.

>>68398 >mucuna pruriens How do you take that stuff? I have a lot here and it's a nuisance but maybe I can make use of it.

>>68419 I have it in powdered form. Usually I just put it on my tongue, let saliva dissolve it. Other times I'll wait for tea to cool a bit (so it doesn't degrade the L-DOPA) and then put it in last.

I would like the mods to restore the deleted posts. They are in the archive links if Lainchan has not retained them.

I'll do it myself. >>67979 Mine's really bad, I feel you. I haven't really found anything that can alleviate it but I appreciate it. I notice for me the intensity of the snow depends on adrenaline and my mental state. Mine's generally just below the point where it becomes hard to read, it makes my visual processing much slower. I've had periods where my VS was stronger than my actual vision. I do think VS is important though, I've found that there's much to see in it, I think you can use it to read energies in people if you know how. You say it just happened? Any other changes you noticed? That's interesting. For many people including myself it's been lifelong. Many of those people don't realize it at first until they notice other people don't see static, or automatically filter it out so they don't realize, do you think that's a possibility?

>>67979 Caused by microwave radiation, chemtrails, vaccination, and maybe some other unknown environmental stimulus resulting in cervical instability and upper neck issues. >t. had visual snow since maybe 12

>>67986 First two are VS art from the early days where people were trying to make simulations of what it looked like, second be more stylized of course. 3-6 are from Texhnolyze. 3rd attachment to this post is the original. I edited the prior one because I don't personally see colored rainbow strobing most of the time, unless I'm focusing up close on a monochromatic surface (like plain white) and in a certain state of mind. Looking at anything distant though, like the sky, I see the grain is actually more of a vortex. See "form constant".

>>67987 eg this first one is actually fairly accurate if I look at a distant point like the sky, there's a black vortex. It's always there, but is made obvious by solid colors. It resembles the arms of a spiral galaxy in a way, but the rotation is actually an illusion, the arms aren't rotating, the grain pattern is just morphing around in a way that gives the appearance of rotation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant?useskin=vector The other interesting this is some of the Texhnolyze scenes depiction a moving distortion pattern that resembles "Alice in Wonderland Syndrome". I read a paper a while ago that hypothesized an association between infections, such as those leading to AiWS in childhood, and VS in adulthood. Though I think neck problems can also cause both, due to poor blood flow, altered CSF drainage, and potentially mild brainstem and cerebellum compression in extreme cases.

>>67987 >3-6 are from Texhnolyze. Thank you, this seems right up my alley, I'll watch it. > I edited the prior one because I don't personally see colored rainbow strobing most of the time, unless I'm focusing up close on a monochromatic surface (like plain white) and in a certain state of mind. I agree, I've never seen the strobing myself. Though I do understand that most people with VS see much different things. >Looking at anything distant though, like the sky, I see the grain is actually more of a vortex. See "form constant". That's interesting. Is it constant? Can you see the pattern generally, like walls? I find that there's a lot of interesting things to see in the snow but you have to train yourself very hard. >eg this first one is actually fairly accurate if I look at a distant point like the sky, there's a black vortex. It's always there, but is made obvious by solid colors. It resembles the arms of a spiral galaxy in a way, but the rotation is actually an illusion, the arms aren't rotating, the grain pattern is just morphing around in a way that gives the appearance of rotation. That's a beautiful description, it almost makes me jealous. The description of the black spot reminds of me of Troxler Fade. I find that when my snow is strong my Troxler Fade kicks into overdrive and if I look in one spot too long, my vision gets consumed by snow until I move my eyes. Have you experienced this? I've looked into this a lot and only found one other mention of this. Mine is the usual TV static. Looking at distant things like the sky makes my VS more apparent because of the lack of things to focus on, so my eyes focus on the snow "layer". Aside from just the standard static the only fluctuations in it is an "aura" of distorted snow around objects I look at. There's a pretty defined bored. As well, I can see auras around people, it's pretty jarring. I also sometimes see geometry in the snow, but that was mostly when I was a child. I really appreciate your time describing this, it's very interesting. One question for the VS havers: Do you have colored snow or greyscale? I've heard of some people having colored snow which is very interesting. One thread I read even had someone claiming their snow gained color after doing LSD for the first time. However I've never talked to anyone with colored snow.

>>67988 > I read a paper a while ago that hypothesized an association between infections read borelia forum with people claiming they got it from that. Now its maybe not the borelia but something else that was also injected with the tick bite. Either way it seems to suggest it is at least in some cases caused by infection.

>>67990 I knew there's known overlap between VS and psychotic and dissociative disorders, but I never knew the connection with infections or neck issues. I'll look that up for sure. From what I understood of VS, it's caused by a neurological issue where the brain is less able to filter out "background noise" from visual input. Similar to how space telescopes have to filter out background radiation. This conversation is making me a bit sad how there's nothing you can really do for VS.

>>67988 >Alice in Wonderland Syndrome Wow I never knew that was a real thing. I always assumed that everyone had that happen when their eyes are tired. When I read paper books or look at people at night the "o"s and "a"s as well as people's heads have like a sort of heartbeat to them where they swell and shrink over and over. I guess it never really bothered me because I thought it was normal and knew it was just an illusion. Also whenever I have a migraine I see something similar to "Tunnels", but I always thought of it more as helicopter blades, since I thought it looked similar to looking at a fast ceiling fan from below. Also the shapes weren't really black, they didn't really have any sort of color at all. I guess if I had to give an impression they were sort of black and white and yellow and red and blurry and static-y and sparkly all at the same time. And somehow all these different textures and colors would overlap but still remain distinct without blending. >>67991 What kind of neck issues? I have a stiff neck but I had a lot of the weird visual stuff before I had the stiff neck. I wonder if they're still somehow related.

>>67992 >>67991 While there's probably some percentage of visual snow which is caused by direct drain bamage, much of it is caused by neck issues. Namely, poor posture and nerd neck. VSS is comorbid with tinnitus, for instance, of which some 40% of cases are "cervicogenic". If you look at stories of VSS remission online, it seems that almost all of the effective treatments are neck related (or generally promote muscle relaxation, and the neck benefits) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803736/ A vicious cycle of poor posture can be treated with the use of a neck brace, and a pillow for sleeping with great neck support (such as a buckwheat pillow). I've been doing this for a few weeks now and have experienced great relief from tinnitus, and maybe my visual snow? Not sure about my visual snow, it never really bothered me to begin with, thankfully. I hypothesize that this explosion of VSS we're seeing now is related to chronic smartphone use. My VSS first appeared during a year in college when I stayed on the PC pretty much 24/7 (doing 4 classes of programming homework, socializing, and hacking for fun) For a number of people, VSS sets in after a panic attack. I hypothesize that this panic attack really *resets* the brain to a state where it can't ignore visual snow anymore, and it suddenly becomes apparent (although the alteration was there beforehand). Buy a cheap foam neck brace and wear it when you use the PC. Can't hurt to try.

>>67993 My take is untreated hypertension. Comorbidities check out.

The neck thing checks out in my experience. I'll get all-consuming, colored snow, and auras and soykaf for what I can see, if I sit still in a conference/lecture for and extended period of time aka I'm in an uncomfortable chair and awkward position for too long. I'll have to fuarrrk with my posture and see what happens.

>>67989 >I agree, I've never seen the strobing myself. This part has interested me. On my father's side we all developed it, seemingly around the same time (not sure about my aunt). My father's mother had green eyes, she saw the grain the same way I do, afterimages, pulsing walls, and so on. My father had blue eyes, he did not see the grain component, but he did see strobing which was more pronounced in low light, flashes of light, etc. I have green eyes, back to the grain, positive and negative afterimages (these are much diminished these days but used to be intense). Still see flashes of white light in the dark occasionally though, or red lights. For me it's primarily black and white, color is more infrequent. Dark colors have light grain, light colors have dark grain. I recall a few times, back when it was more intense, that this complex carpet pattern looked like it had these occasional sparks forming on it, and it was covered by grainy waves, like a swarm of insects. Anything that really plays on dopaminergic systems (or perhaps norpeinephrine, or even simply bloodflow?) will give the black grain a rainbow colored component. So white wallls have grainy rainbow waves on them. Chocolate, caffeine, adderall for the brief period I used it, all cause this effect to varying degrees. Kava and other herbs will also intereact with it. >Is it constant? Can you see the pattern generally, like walls? Yes, it's constant, however you don't always see it. It seems to relate with eye tracking and convergence somehow. For example I can vaguely see it on a black wall or overlayed on the visual scene, but it's like it's "zoomed in". Looking at something far away it becomes quite obvious that the vortex is the macro structure of the grain pattern all the time, if you were to look at it from a distance. It's very clear on clear blue sky, but you can pick it out on complex scenes, provided it's distant. This is probably the most odd part to me, you would imaging the grain would be like a blanket over the inside of the eye, uniform on the visual fields. It is not. It's downstream of some earlier processing it seems, because it's responsive to the sense of distance and convergence of the eyes. Hard to explain. The way it's experienced up close is that there is a component inside the eye itself and the mind, but the grain and other aspects more "blanket" and "coat" the object itself. At least that's how my mind perceives it. >I find that there's a lot of interesting things to see in the snow but you have to train yourself very hard. Definitely. The most interesting that comes to mind is what you see along high contrast hard edges, although it can even be relatively dim scenes as well. I see the grain kind of bunch up against the hard edges and flow along it like sand or ants or something. Merging, coming back out, and there seems to be a directionality, though like other optical illusions with spinning (eg the ballerina) you can reverse which direction it looks like it's moving by focusing on it. Focusing really hard on individual black specks, it "looks"/feels like they're actually white, with a sort of gel character, and they have pink, blue, yellow, and some other dots moving around inside them. Not sure exactly what conjurs this partially internal imagery, but anyway. >I find that when my snow is strong my Troxler Fade kicks into overdrive and if I look in one spot too long, my vision gets consumed by snow until I move my eyes. Have you experienced this? Yes. Going back to the cervical spine, blood flow, blood vessel spasming potentially, and CSF drainage aspects, I've found if I stand too quickly, suddenly over exert, or move my head the wrong way, I'll start seeing many blue-white sparks (like classical scintilalting scotomas) moving around my vision. Like fireflies, but also like a sort of termite boring around in an odd quasi-dendritic path. If I don't breathe or really stare into them, they will grow, and on only one occasion (after prolonged hill sprint) they started to individually grow until they'd almost eclipsed my entire vision. This is a very rare occurrence however, maybe once or twice per year at most. It does suggest either a compression or blood flow component however. >Do you have colored snow or greyscale? As above, greyscale. However prolonged sleep deprivation (as in actual lack of sleep, not just physically sleeping but still waking up tired for several days (stress, caffeine in the system, whatever). I've found sleep deprivation modifies ghrain presentation the most, intensifying it. >One thread I read even had someone claiming their snow gained color after doing LSD for the first time. That's very interesting. I've never done any hallucinogens, but I can say of the few times I smoked weed it brought back the Alice in Wonderland Syndrome stuff strongly. And left me burnt for several days. Seems to interact with the underlying process of VS, which I suspect has overt sensory stuff as only one of its facets.