Trannysm can be better

Transformation from depressed man to depressed tranny with drugs and surgery is unnecesary. We are users, that doesnt changes easly. But being a trans is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Solution: Full body realystic sylicon sute. You can take it on for sex and roleplay, no meds, no surgery. You can aways change your mind. It cost a lot of money but its so much better then becoming a self-hating being with fuarrrked up hormons from meds, also all your friends and your perents avoid you. At some point of heavy depression whyle yung i considered hormons and soykaf, glad i didnt go this way. (Sorry for bad grammar, learned english from cartoons)(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

troonery and use are both dumb, both voluntary. best solution is to just not be gay.

>>67508 You can just not be gay if your childhood was good for not becoming a fgt. If your perents argue right after you where born and soykaf, plus you get exposed to fuarrrked up porn being 6 year old, including gay soykaf. But its still a choise, you are right, giving this in leads to more problems wich leads to misery. fuarrrk this gay bs, its no better then drug addiction and fuarrrk all this globohomo and fuarrrk fuarrrk fuarrrk

While there may be a hard biological basis for some of it (eg hormone disruption or a developmental stage that's malformed and then gets layered over) I suspect both trans and highly abnormal sexuality, including homosexuality, are treatable. And curable. Such research is no longer socially acceptable, however it should be resumed, and such treatments and modalities made available to those that want them. The social forces trying to encourage and inculcate these behaviors should also be eliminated, obviously. Children are not small adults. They're not prey or commodities to submerge into the perverse "marketplace of ideas" where they're actually going upa gainst adults that are trying to conquer and assimialte them. Anyone who hasn't realized and fully accepted this by like 25, 30, is a predator and or a child in an adult's body.

>>67510 I really hope scientists find a cure for the gays soon.

> Full body realystic sylicon sute. You can take it on for sex and roleplay, no meds, no surgery. The Skin I Live In's a horror film, not a guide-book. Weird fetish, not hot. > but its so much better then becoming a self-hating being with fuarrrked up hormons from meds You get blood-tests done regularly to make sure they're within normal levels. If they get fuarrrked up, your doc's just incompetent. > also all your friends and your perents avoid you. If your family doesn't love you, I guess. More likely you'd end up avoiding them for a while, since a trans always feels awkward at first. > At some point of heavy depression whyle yung i considered hormons and soykaf, glad i didnt go this way. And I'm glad you found the route that makes you happiest, anon. Nothing wrong with being confused for a bit, whatever decision makes your life better is the right one.

>>67507 >Full body realystic sylicon sute. You can take it on for sex and roleplay This implies that the main thing transgender people want is a sexual experience. For the ones I've known that really didn't seem to be the case, rather they want to live and accept themselves and be accepted by others as the gender they weren't born with. I think the best thing is for them to get what they want. Dismantle most biological gated gender roles. That said, there are some ethical problems remaining to be hashed out and ideological dogma that could use some pushback; it's plausible that being transgender isn't always 100% nature over nurture, and I think it's probably a mistake to overestimate the capacity of a middle schooler to make informed decisions on permanently life altering and dangerous medical interventions. But these problems seem unlikely to be relevant decades from now.

>>67517 people want acceptance not acceptance as other gender. Its other people telling them they will get accepted if they switch gender that starts this thinking of i need to switch to get accepted. The trannies went full circle "you can be anything, oh you behave like a women? you are a woman! transition already!"

>>67526 Superficially they are retarded. Maybe they mostly actually are retarded and I'm smarter than them so I vastly overcomplicate what must be going on in their unbconscious. Either way I think there's more to it than that. Ironically leading them into a labyrinth may be the best and only way of leading them out of the labyrinth they were already in.

>>67517 >the best thing is for them to get what they want sometimes the best thing for a subpopulation is not the best thing for the superpopulation. Transgenderism is a mind virus, societally the reaction to it should be to seek its extermination. Even if some of them are suffering from legitimate genetic problems, the risk of tolerating their deviance may be much greater than the payoff.

>>67528 >the risk of tolerating their deviance may be much greater than the payoff. What's the risk? >>67517 it is annoying how transgenderism (the ideology vaguely associated to transgender people) has arisen as this distinct ideology, complete with forced homogenization. Many people who would be sympathetic to the plight of the transes get turned away because they aren't 100% on board with the entire ideology. Very sad.

>>67534 >What's the risk? irreversible damage, its a one way street with no clean way back >>67527 >I think there's more to it than that I think its very simple: Most people are peer pressure victims because their value system is based on what does my group think? Thats how it works with everything else too. Why do kids get blackout drunk? If you let any small kid try they hate alcohol. But give it a few years of "drinking cool" and they will chug for group approval til they collapse.

>>67534 >What's the risk? First of all, troonery is obviously bad. A troon requires effort to bring to an approximately but not quite healthy state, and like a person with a nasty cancer they might mostly recover, but it is in general a thing to be avoided. Unlike cancers though troonitis is particularly socially communicable. Efforts to 'normalize' it and promote tollerance of it even if meant well likely spread the disease. When I've seen people catch it, it usually comes after close contact with one or more persons already symptomatic, and frequently becomes quickly worse as they surround themselves with encouraging and freqeuntly already infected friends. The situation is much worse than it was even 10 years ago, and this worsening seems to correlate strongly with pushes for tolerance/visibility. If cancer research was obviously causing huge numbers of new cancers, would it be worth continuing ? Most individual people who became troons would be better off if they'd never been exposed to the idea, or if it had been done in a better (likely much less tolerant) presentation. If there were fewer of them then also the price of 'intolerance' would be lower, so long term intolerance is the best for nearly everyone, possibly everyone.

>>67538 >I think its very simple: Most people are peer pressure victims That's what I'm talking about. I have very little conception of that conform to get/feel/whatever perspective, so I'll create elaborate internal world explanations. Your examples included. The idea of getting blackout drunk because monkey see monkey do everyone else is and I want to be part of it, is alien to me. It's possible some people really are so simple. They tattoo their bodies, they pierce things, they do this or that, for no utility or return other than conformity and following a path laid out that implies ultimate happiness and so on (rites of passage). You see what's happening though, how it starts and even saying maybe they are empty vessels, by the end I'm tacking on rites of passage, death and rebirth. Which implies internal processes and intelligence an empty vessel may not have. Making them more complex than they really are is reflexive.

>>67541 I believe it's a hardwired value system problem, the "rogue ai gone bad due wrong success metric" scenario applied to human brains. That's why intelligence is not a factor as knowing its bad doesn't matter when your goal metric says the most important thing is group approval which overwrites any warning your rational part might send. Also it seems to form already in early childhood, at least from my observation all the peer pressure victims were already chasing popularity in early childhood. What i don't know is what kind of events would trigger it. I don't believe its genetic so there must be some crucial event ingraining it as important.

>>67538 >irreversible damage, irreversible damage to what? What is the mechanism by which society is damaged by transgenderism? Why is it worse than the damage caused to trans people when they are forced to hide their identity? >its a one way street with no clean way back that's called time, you have to get used to it. >>67539 >First of all, troonery is obviously bad. Not obvious to me. I have only met two trans people and they both seem pretty well-adjusted, if a little embarrassed of their bodies.

>>67562 I should specify "people being trans" rather than "transgenderism", which indicates a political component that I believe to be distinct.

>>67562 >Not obvious to me I have only met a few victims of gunshot wounds and they generally seem pretty much all right, if a little scarred or crippled.

>>67562 >irreversible damage to what? victims convinced it would help. Permanent health issues due hrt is a long list and if you dont know the list you should at least instinctively understand chopping dick/tits off is a one way street. Also your "identity" should be your individual sum of personality traits. If you think your gender equals your identity you do have massive issues but not whether you male or female. Its indicative you consider nothing else more important to your personality than your gender.

>>67570 >I disagree. Elaborate? Free to disagree, but at least be kind to provide a reason. >But in many parts of the world, alcohol is very cheap and easily available. And those that overindulge, end up dependent on the state for either dealing with the consequences and still continue, or seldomly, get themselves clean. Trannys demand the state make rules for their ill imaginations. However that being said, the consumption of alcohol is more widely accepted than Big Hank in a miniskirt using the soykafter when little Susie wants to weewee. It's a new thing, and people understandably reject it. >It's the choice they made. Unlike somebody with dissociative identity disorder, they aren't claiming to be a specific person who they are in fact not. It's still a mental abnormality. Attempting to avoid the natural, genetically designed behavioral patterns is going to negative effects, mental and physiological. >Ah, there it is, the claim of "societal decay" that always lies behind such arguments. Never claimed it was a cause, merely a symptom. Look around you mate. Loads of unhappy people in densly packed living spaces, constantly bombarded with advertisments suggesting bigger, better, braver things, unrealistic (oft creepy) beauty expectations, addicted to social media looking at lives much better than their own, so in an attempt to one-up, get themselves into debt. Society isn't for the people anymore, it's for the corporations. >Somehow The Transes are to blame for the fact that I can't get a decent job, is that it? The fuarrrk are you smoking and can I have some? Must be good for you to pull that out your arse.

>>67571 >>I disagree. >Elaborate? Nobody has ever crashed a car because of HRT. >Attempting to avoid the natural, genetically designed behavioral patterns is going to negative effects, mental and physiological. And this is where my point about enforced masculinity/femininity comes into play: many people with some particular set of genitals *don't* fall into those behavior patterns naturally. There is a huge amount of variability in behaviors and hormone profiles -- thats genetically designed too. Many people are even born intersex. What should those people do then, when the gender roles available are so extremely rigid? Many of them just abandon their assigned gender. >>67573 As mentioned in the post you replied to, I completely agreed that prevention is more desirable, but I think that most people who think being transgender is an abomination against god would also be unwilling to do any prevention besides pretending the problem doesn't exist and/or abusing people who do decide to go trans.

>>67579 >its bad how insightful.

>>67586 >women are expected to act differently Women are different from men. Women act different from men. It is right and good to acknowledge this and behave accordingly. Feminists are generally not egalitarianists; they just wish the scales were balanced differently. Of course they expect women to behave different from men, that's kinda their thing. >Again you conflate "gender role" with the job you have sorry those were stereotypes not jobs. Lumberjack and housewife are both ways of life, not merely where you go to work and whence you draw your paycheque. They are deep and complicated societal roles.

>>67591 >Women are different from men. Women act different from men. It is right and good to acknowledge this and behave accordingly. Okay, but what happens when, say, a man doesn't behave manly? What if, try as they might, the most natural way for them to behave is womanly, or something else altogether? Men who wear dresses are almost always bullied for it, and that's a really tiny behavioral quirk. Also, I find it funny that people are constantly complaining that the state is *forcing* you to call trans women women, but are unable to point to any law that actually says that.

>>67592 >what happens when, say, a man doesn't behave manly this is an interesting question, but it is not as far as I can tell descriptive of most trannies. The cases I have seen seem more like a man, who is essentially like a man in behavior and thought by nature, but who fears becomming more manly, wishes he was less manly, or might be somewhat fascinated by things womanly. Perhaps its even fear of getting old, or a desire to remain a child. Nevertheless to answer your question, far as I can tell the best solution is just to shrug and acknolwedge that a lot of things are generalities and that occasional exceptional individuals do occur. Ideally some place where they can still be productive can be found, if they're smart they'll most likely find it themselves. As far as I can tell the proportion of people who are like this are very small, more worry would be warranted if their rates started increasing. I don't see any particular reason that i.e. the government should officially support lies claiming such men are women or vice versa, which it does. >state is not *forcing* you to lie, show me the law Not all laws are enforced, not all things that are enforced are laws. The famous coloradian cake maker against gay cakes doesn't act illegally, but that doesn't mean the state won't continue to be complicit in his harassment until his death or capitulation. US government uses highway funding as a way to compell states into actions they would not take if left free. Illegal ? plausibly not, but most certainly extra legal. Saying the state is forcing people to do this is obviously not true, but your statement here is naive if not bad faith.

>>67600 Wow I did not know that. You are telling me now for the first time. What an amazing situation, what else can I say. Whether for better or worse thats an incredible development, invredible. Ive learned a lot from your post. A lot.

>>67599 >I don't see any particular reason that i.e. the government should officially support lies claiming such men are women or vice versa, which it does. These people want to identify as whatever the hell they want; what you're advocating for is that the government shouldn't protect that right, presumably because you're terrified of a world without gender roles.

>>67604 You're just an idiot that believes in free will. You don't understand early childhood development or manipulationa nd just passively assume everyone "chooses" everything, including that they choose to choose, rather than responding to prompts. You have a misplaced view of freedom and will consume and destroy you completely once you realize you weren't in control, you were following a new script handed to you. Discarded the old, accepted the new. No grandiose new age. No repair of the world. No new you. No better you. No self identification or self determination. Just a bunch of lonely little malformed islands, atomized, ionized, puppets with cut strings. Deluded, maimed, misled, drained, discarded when of no further use. That is the way of this place.

>>67606 >>67608 What you're saying is you don't want people to say they are a woman, when they are biologically male, because the government, (or "people, or whatever) brainwashed them into believing that. And the best way to resolve that is to restrict their freedom of speech by persecuting them for saying such things..?

>>67610 >>67604 lies are bad mmmkay ? The task of killing all liars is a daunting one but it is a thing that must be done in good time. In this intermediate period of imperfection I think we can settle for the much more modest goal of not condoning government complicency in lies. Government issues IDs often with a sex indicator. Personally I think all the people who came up with this idea to begin with should be cemented by the feet into the sidewalk in front of bad donut shops (disgusting places, ever been to one?), but if you're going to do it, then do it right why not ? Its quite difficult to get them to change your birthday for instance, why should changing sex be so much easier ? Better not mark it imho than lie about it.

>>67611 >>67613 They aren't lies. I'm trying to clarify, and the fellow resorted to ad hominem, rather than refuting. Here's an edited series of interviews with transgender/nonbinary people: https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=A47fHNOufJc don't mind the fact that it's ace attorney. These people weren't brainwashed. They *chose* to be this way, probably because they were alienated by people who, like those in this thread, say a man is this or a woman is that. So now they *are* a man, or a woman, or nonbinary, or whatever.

>>67616 So what? Do you want us to post a bunch of detransitioning people who say they got scammed in response?

Everbody knows deep down, that cuteboys are vastly superior to trannies.

>>67617 >So what? Well, it means a lot of people in this thread are wrong, for starters. >Do you want us to post a bunch of detransitioning people who say they got scammed in response? It's just this thread started going towards "transgender people don't deserve rights" (really it started out that way), so I started asking questions. If that spoils the fun, you might want to find someplace else to discuss.

>>67616 >don't mind the fact that it's ace attorney. holy crab bruh not only is it ace fuarrrking attorney its a video without audio and no transcription where you have to watch the 28 minute peice to consume what could be just a written text. No one but an insane person would make a video like this out of a perfectly readible script. Never mind though I've talked to a number of trans and detrans people and read material from them. There's clearly a number of different opinions present in these communities on the problem, and the discussion and talking points seem to have shifted over the years. There's also the inevitable question of honesty, I'm not sure I would trust accounts given to i.e. therapists by troons because these might be given in order to get drugs or other things. Even therapists who do not perscribe can be involved in drugs or legal proceedings. Alright, perhaps they are not liars neccisarily in the sense that a lie is implicitly an attempt at deception by someone who knows they are promoting false understandings. A legitimately confused troon may say he is a woman because he legitimately beleives it. It is false, but not a lie because he is insane. Word twisting is also a means to tell lies, video you post appears to be wordtwisting. I dont like to use the term brain washing, but this style of trick might be adjacent to it. Redefining basic terms destroys language and defeats understanding, generally an evil thing. Some of these people think they are women because woman has been redefined to mean one of a dozen possibly incoherent definitions that permits them to be a 'woman'. >>67619 >troons don't deserve rights oh come now come now should have the same rights and duties as their peers. A murderer duly tried and executed has been denied no rights, he is simply getting his just desert as would anyone else. But most people aren't murderers, nor are most people troons. >lot of people in this thread are wrong That gives us a better average than trannies, all of whom are wrong on a few fairly important points.

>>67568 >However in many parts of the world this is considered worth it because we respect peoples' ability to make their own decisions. This analogy would make sense if troons didn't act as if stigmatizing transgenderism is some sort of crime. Alcoholics are allowed to existed, but no one seriously holds its drug use as socially desirable and being a drunk is considered shameful. We also limit what alcoholics can do - like drive cars. Yet, transgender activists don't think we should put limits on what transgender people can do - like sports.

I just don't see myself supporting transgender people because by proxy many of them are left-wing, and have views on economic and social policy I will never agree. There isn't much incentive for me to side with them or help them.

>>67621 Wonderful! We're approaching actual discussion. >No one but an insane person would make a video like this out of a perfectly readible script. They're called objection.lol's, and a lot of people make them. >they are not liars...It is false, but not a lie because he is insane. They are not insane. You must have a loose definition of the word, or else use it pejoratively. If mass insanity is truly the best explanation you can offer, you won't be taken seriously. >Redefining basic terms destroys language and defeats understanding, generally an evil thing. On this, we can agree. For the record, I don't care much for the gender identity vs. gender thing; people can say they identify as an apache attack helicopter, they're still just a human to me. Plus hamfisting the English language for it is never going to fully work. But people can say whatever, and sometimes that changes the language. I'm glad you watched the video. You should get your definitions straight before claiming something else is word twisting. They aren't liars, nor are they insane. >oh come now come now... You're saying being transgender should be criminalized? >That gives us a better average than trannies, all of whom are wrong on a few fairly important points. That's a brave claim. Now try to back it up.

>>67641 >>67639 Alcohol created human civilization, it was the main driver behind neolithic revolution. Without alcohol we would still be some primitive hunter gatherers. Love it, cherish it, respect it, it can solve all of your problems.

>>67645 > I wanted to elaborate a bit further. just fuarrrking elaborate you dont need replies to prompt you bruh. >In fact, it's impossible to prove (or disprove!) this claim without [...] stop being such a sperg, if every tranny beleives these few falsehoods that puts them into a basically irrecoverable handicap and you know it. >you disagree on what those words mean, in those cummunites its diffrent! classic wordtwisting. I dont like the term brainwashing generally but if anything in standard tranny rhetoric seems to be it, I'd say its this. Redefining basic words is a way to circumvent inhibitions on telling flat out lies, while still telling flat out lies. >I *do* however take issue with strangers congregating lol fam I bet you a shiny nickle that there's more than one troon participating in this conversation. And what the fuarrrk do you have against people talking in private anyway. I thought people liked privacy on this chan. >You want people to stop saying they're a woman when it isn't their biological gender You're putting words in peoples mouths. For what its worth I want to eliminate transgenderism because I think its a basically doubleplus ungood thingimajnigger. People cannot all be stopped from their lies, but lies are ungood and all trannies are liars. They may lie by wordtwisting, which is a means to lie and not a seperate thing. >whole point of this identity thing is to break the old gender roles and stereotypes if that were the case then it wouldnt be full of fvggots, drugs pushers, legal redefinitions and surgeries. Maybe some niches full of autists whove just gotten some of the rhetoric rubbing off on them and now think they have no sex are like this, but there's clearly a lot of drugs and surgeries in the ubercommunity. >Be real; You just liked the old gender roles. Health problems n sheet don't bother you there's a good number of trannies and extrannies who are bothered by these health problems n sheet, I don't think I was alive for what I'd consider 'classic gender roles' but the physical differences cannot be ignored, and these have to imply practical differences of role in any sane society. >people don't fit those categories lol listen to yourself brother. Ever you seen a woman? Ever talked to one ? >Stigmatizing them for it is never going to work you and I don't need to stigmatize them. The drugs and the bodies and the faces all do this just by nature. They're working overtime to try to fight the stigmata. >final solution for transgender people. I like the sound of this. But I think your approach doesn't sound particularly final, more like kicking the can down the road. Ill have to think about different strategies. Between u an me Im sure we can work something out. >>67646 > I'm worried about that extra 10 cents in my taxes going to THE QUEERS" WHOOOP WHOOOP STRAMAN ALERT WHOOOP WHOOOP WHOOP

>>67646 >Actually I think a lot of liberals basically don't care. By "people like me", I meant anybody who would oppose such things as forced detransition, not just liberals.

>>67646 >Muh sportz! They're not wrong. Hormones are a derezzed substance in sports and the moment you allow trans individuals taking hormones anywhere near professional sport the entire thing falls apart. There was a scandal few years back in cross-country skiing when it was discovered that most of Norwegian athletes had asthma. Asthma drugs are a derezzed substance but if you suffer from asthma you can apply for a medical exemption. Neat, no? You give trans people a medical exemption for their hormone use and in five years half of female athletes will discover that they're actually transgender just so they can use legal doping. Let's not even get into the issue of allowing a person with a male skeleton anywhere near a female competition, it's an aberration and completely against the spirit of Olympism. And I hate to break to you but sport is important. For the vast majority of the population sport is more important than the rights of trans people, it will always be more important than the right of trans people, it cannot be changed. It's not a battle that trans people can win. Also, there won't be any world war, MAD is alive an well.

>>67647 >WHOOOP WHOOOP STRAMAN ALERT WHOOOP WHOOOP WHOOP damn u got me :( I was sure I would get away with it too! Of course, your real argument is that you just don't like them so they should be exterminated, correct?

>>67648 >forced detransition talking in these terms surrenders the framing to troons. transition is fake, detransition doubly fake. You are what you is, nothing to force on this front.

>>67653 >your real argument is that you just don't like them so they should be exterminated, correct? the ideology should be exterminated. If the most practical way to do that is extermination of its victims then that's a reasonable solution. This is likely mostly a memetic problem, maybe with some environmental and or genetic factors. My observation is that most troons seem to contract transgenderism after social contact with established troons either online or in person. Vulnerable people should be kept away from troons at all cost, killing all troons would be one way to acheive this but I'm not in a position to do it.

>>67647 Ah you're the brave one, aren't you. Same guy, you can tell by the writing, right? You know, you're very quick to respond when it suits you. One hour and thirty minutes to type all of this when you had nearly two days with the initial argument. I'm not saying you couldn't have been doing something else, but it makes me wonder if you're too much the coward to respond to my other post. >...if every tranny beleives these few falsehoods that puts them into a basically irrecoverable handicap and you know it. No. I don't think that. >classic wordtwisting...Redefining basic words is a way to circumvent inhibitions on telling flat out lies, while still telling flat out lies. They aren't lies. We've been over this, and you said as much in an earlier post: >>67621 >It is false, but not a lie... >there's more than one troon participating in this conversation We could use the perspective. >And what the fuarrrk do you have against people talking in private anyway. This is a public forum. >You're putting words in peoples mouths. You forgot the question mark at the end of my quote. >if that were the case... It is the case. I linked a video of transgender people saying this, or something like it. >there's a good number of trannies and extrannies who are bothered by these health problems n sheet Why are *you* concerned about it, though? >physical differences cannot be ignored, and these have to imply practical differences of role in any sane society. Yes, men and women are different, but that's beyond my point (and this thread). >lol listen to yourself brother. Ever you seen a woman? Ever talked to one ? Sexism aside, you missed my point. People obviously don't fit into all of those categories at once (culturally/socially, biologically, and born a man/woman), which is why they are creating new terms for themselves. >>final solution for transgender people >I like the sound of this. >>67655 >If the most practical way to do that is extermination...then that's a reasonable solution. At least you're being honest, and that's exactly what I wanted from this thread.

>>67510 Heterosexuality should be treatable too then for those who want it. It's a hinderance in face of the options being bisexual gives you.

>>67665 bipedality should be treatable too then for those who want it. It's a hinderance in face of the options being wheelchair bound gives you.

>>67668 >heterosexuality is defective because it limits ur options Im pretty sure you can just have sex with men if you want.

Its fine cause you wouldnt have been approved for surgery or drugs anyways as you arent trans you are what a multitude of the various femcels and incels here think all trans people are, which is autogynephiles. Your suit idea wouldnt appeal to trans people at all because you actually cant empathize with the reasons people are trans you just think its some thing you engage with to get horny and depressed permanently. This entire idea and your post belies either a hatred of trans people or the idea of transitioning or just a total lack of understanding of it or more likely a combo of the two. I obviously am not trying to convince you or anyone here of anything, im expecting most replies to this will be "Trans is autogynephilia lol" and interpretations of trans depression or suicide statistics that conflate themselves as the actual statistic itself. I am not trans, so many would say im soapboxing to start with. What im actually here to say to you OP is can you just hate trans people like a normal person instead of whatever weird soykaf this is, please. This is some kind of self appeal you are doing that no one cares about of "Well maybe id like TRANNIES if it was more like this..." when it just isnt like that thats something of your own concoction you find aesthetically and rapturously pleasing or whatever while you dont find trans stuff to be. This is masturbatory, the terfs should honestly take a page out of your book. Way more infuriating than any kind of trans wojack hanging themselves shock image. Keep posting like this guys and maybe you will actually get people to kill themselves instead of pretending you are with cardboard cutouts. I want to kill myself after reading this.

>>67759 Nope. You have a singular largely linear mind and are operating under assumption that everyone else is a version of you and your mind. They're not. I have a divided mind and am under no such needs to maintain a me and fill it with all those emotions and ideas. There is no singular "One" mind.

>>67783 You're welcome, anytime. That'll be 1500 dollars.

>>67805 it's amazing how a bunch of people /onhere/ don't consider a single guy having a laugh to be indicative of a grand globe-spanning cabal planning to turn my daughter gay

The real question is what trannies will do when we run out of oil... and if they have any chance of persisting in the desert that awaits us. I'll give you a hint (they won't). Not that this bothers them. Transgender people have instrinsically high time-preference. They are incapable of preparing for the future, owing to their inferior sterilized neurology. Urbanites have a... tough.... road ahead of them, to say the least. Should've acted more like the Amish, I guess.

>>67847 >>67849 Did you even read my post? We're sitting on millennia worth of hydrocarbons, we will never run out of them and they will always be cheap. The transition away from oil/coal is happening because renewables (nuclear as well depending on geography/climate) are even cheaper. My point is that there will never be an apocalyptic energy crisis as seen in poorly researched science-fiction because energy is a solved problem. You'll never find yourself in a real-life Mad Max, it's a nonsensical fantasy.

i never understood why people hate transgender people so much.

>>67958 They're gross imitations of the forms they intend to caricaturize. A subset is domineering and retarded.

>>67958 Theyre whiney little bitches who feel themselfs entitled to tell daddy gov how things should be. Instead of caring or doing something about all the worlds problems like poverty, war, disease, polution or any of this crap, they think their fuarrrking bullshit gender issues are the worst thing we are facing. Trannies wont do jackshit ever, because all they know and can do is sit around and whine hoping somebody does something when they whine enough. Trannies are like the little princess personality of the people, everyone says aw how adorable, but actually everyone is sick of putting up with their pretentious bullshit.

>>67985 I am a cisgender man that doesn't have a twitter account, you are the one projecting mr.collects ebin screenshots to btfo the trannys in his head with

>>67985 >Its a self-radicalizing online cult. Except they have massive government and corporate support.

>>68007 Bet depends on country. Obviously US & their western vassals especially CA made it part of school etc.. Easterners, saudis, etc. governments reject it however so i would bet those people get into it through online groups since there won't be any irl support for it. >>68006 reminds of "hello fellow kids", normal people dont engage with this heated which contradicts the claims...

>>68018 It has to be at least partially organic. You can't call up water from a dried well, nor can you turn nothing into something (though you can build nothing out of something, eg by trying to turn yourself neuter or inverting). So if you find a way to create a pressurization, then you can find a way to channel and relieve that pressure gradient, where you want it to go. That's what trans is. An artificially induced state coerced and channeled to play out naturally (with a bit of help to keep it on track along the way of course, pipelines have operators), as all things in nature. People have done this before though. Divine androgyne imitation, cult to Cybele, Chinese eunuchs in the forbidden palace and elsewhere. There are some others I've probably forgotten. That's basically what trans is. The attempt to recreate a de-sexed, asexual, eunuch caste.

>>68041 It's weird that trans people online are fuarrrking awful, but I work with two of them and they're both perfectly fine, not constantly stirring up drama or getting offended when people don't introduce themselves with pronouns first. One of them in fact I respect very highly for her skills. I guess using their pronouns and being polite & professional is enough for them, and it's really not a sacrifice for me. Honestly the gay guys are worse because almost every casual conversation turns to them "joking" about how much they wanna fuarrrk guys.

>>68118 >It's weird that trans people online are fuarrrking awful, but I work with two of them and they're both perfectly fine I don't know why you'd be surprised that self deluding pretender would be like Janus, with many different faces.

>>68121 ...or maybe the collective is different from the individual? It's not like I'm talking to a faceless mob of strangers at work every day.

>>68127 Okay, I see it's a hardware configureation issue. You're not divided so you don't comprehend the idea that people can be duplicitious and multifaceted. You don't comprehend the idea of a public face and a private face, different faces with different groups, and certainly not anything more nuanced or plural Got it. Moving on. Your post is really helpful though... I guess I don't know why or at what point I came to be so perplexed or annoyed by this, when growing up I simply accepted it as a universal truth passively and with little question. Now I am so frustrated and confused? It makes no sense. "You've met a terrible fate." I really do suspect something happened to me.

>>68131 Yes, Janus was highly respected and worshipped. I realize it may come as a shock to you, but Romans 2500 years ago might have had different thoughts on that particular symbolism. And again, do I have *any* reason to think that these two people are regularly screaming at people in comments sections or saying "kill all cis"? Any at all?

>>68133 Idk you seem to be the person who is asserting something that you cannot know for sure.

>>68144 Actually, I'll play the fool, and humor you. Going down the list. >>falls back Nothing has changed. It's all static in motion. There is no sloshing about or interplay of this one angles for this and oh no the flank is covered so they fall back to this stance. None of that is happening. It's not real. It's in your head from prior conditioning or whatever. >>pseudophilosophical Opinion. Undefinied. Hollow. Vague and meaningless. >>gibberish Asserting you don't understand because there's nothing to be understood, without making a proper case for contrivance or illusion. Shifting the blame. >>moment There are no singular moments with the divided mind. Get that through your thick fuarrrkin' skull, alright? It's Indra's net. In your conscious mind, there is one (maybe two) of you talking to one of me. In my mind, you don't exist, and I'm talking to dozens of people all at once, from all throughout my life. I basically know every branch the conversation can go down and part of me is just moving down them with you, that's it. There are no moments. There is no life as a series of linear frames and events. That's not how it's structured. >>challenges I don't experience a viewpoint and I don't experience being "challenged". I don't incorporate you into the inner world much if at all, and I don't enagge you with in an identity-based or emotional way. You can't "challenge" me because there is no conception of equality because at my core I'm solipsistic so how can anything be equal? It's either dominance, submission, or apart. There is no lateral connection. This was malformed and locked out by dividing the mind in childhood. You don't and in fact can't "challenge" my "me" or its "viewpoint". This is a spectrum and it varies when you're having to protect the physical body or an image or whatever (most of that is supposed to unconscious and automatic) >>viewpoint There is no singular, so there is no viewpoint. Pretty straightforward. There is a core self that works with a higher self, that samples from all the different personality fragments and voices incorporated (introjected) from others for whatever reason, synthesizes and weighs them, and then outputs. That's not to imply a lability and hollowness however, I certain have viewpoints, but it's not this dynamic piecemeal interpersonal interplay you're asserting either.

>>68144 Why even bother posting on a board full of people trying to figure this world and themselves out knowing well that anybody who doesn't instantly agree with you (whether that be out of genuine naivety or better understanding the subject) will be laughed at and called an idiot? I've seen you 'add to the conversation' following this pattern (claim x -> refuse to elaborate further -> call everyone a singleton) multiple times. Engaging with you doing it once, I recall your actual argumentation being just as vague and out of the point, with you yourself gracefully floating around the subject and whatever I've had to say about it with a smug face. Not to say you are inherently wrong and someone else is right, but the way you address people is just bizzare and, frankly, rude. This thing you discuss right here, for example, has nothing to deal with anyone's brain, and providing some valid argumentation on your part wouldd actually be quite simple. Yet you don't do it and just call the guy retarded.

>>68118 Y'know I wrote all that pretty late and when I was tired, so I hadn't really considered it... but you make a good point, or raise one at least. Interacting with trans people in person has generally been a smooth experience for me, but dealing with "trans people" as an online identity is grating. I wonder if the nature of being online dulls the individuality and highlights the collective thought, making the problems more glaring? Might be a point to consider with all groups... Either way, thanks for your input - it's good to be reminded that being critical does less than being constructive, even if it was indirect. Cheers

>>68146 >will be laughed at and called an idiot? Consider it a form of collective punishment. >Engaging with you doing it once, I recall your actual argumentation being just as vague and out of the point, Shifting and polarizing blame. You can't learn to extract or interpret information, so it's everyone else's problem. Zero effort. No intention of growth. Neotenous. "I see nothing, therefore, there is nothing to be seen." "I know of nothing, therefore, there is nothing to be known." Good luck with that. >>68147 Take this for example. I have argued repeatedly now it isn't the dissolving of the individual into the group identity nor the formation of a stampeding herd mentality. It's simply a matter of persistence and degrees of separation. On the internet, you are separated and can potentially just dump an identity. In person, there is persistence and people you must deal with daily and directly, and you're also potentially outnumbered. So you have to be indirect or keep up appearances, just as a matter of protecting the basis of the physical body. It's a form of risk assessment and loss aversion. Their little tranny brains just think: -I can be hurt -I gain nothing from antagonizing while outnumbered -I am a powerful representative of my movement -I can't stomach mistreating others when I know them and can see their faces and my reflection in their eyes -Weigh it all out, it's better to have social connections to exploit -This can be organized by mapping it to cycles and processes in early childhood. Basically dealing with the threatening version of the parent (splitting). So it's cognitively cheap and they can play out idealization->devaluation and other attention seeking with ease

>>68147 > I wonder if the nature of being online dulls the individuality and highlights the collective thought, making the problems more glaring? I think probably, but this doesn't seem to apply to everyone. An example of a group that I believe is generally just as chill online as offline, possibly even better, is bikers. What's up with that? It is also possible that the nature of the anonymous/pseudo-anonymous wired (so: imageboards, twitter and twitter-likes, and reddit) allows a few loud retards to control discussion much more effectively than they could offline. >>68149 Yes, literally everyone has different personalities online/offline. It's one of the themes of serial experiments lain. It does not follow that literally every trans person is an annoying soykafbag online.

>>67761 I'd agree that OP sounds more like myself, a fetishist, than someone I'd categorize as a trans person. I'll add that just like trans people are sick of being assumed to be fetishists, I'm sick of people assuming I'm trans when I mention it online, which is thankfully not often. Although judging by your language, not to anywhere near the same extent.

I dont feel like a f ag anymore. I dont know whats wrong with me, but about every 2 month then jerking off to pron i start imagining myself as a female. But as i am heavely turned off by gay porn and wish to roleplay as a submissive female during that time, i started thinking about body sute. But next day i stoped caring about all of this as it happend before. What is wrong with me?

>>68441 Stop watching porn and take iodine. Exercise. The connection between your physical and astral body is being attacked.

>>68447 I don't really feel like writing at length I experienced similar. It was like being in a dream, or a hypnotic "bubble". My mind was like an empty vessel and I would watch all kinds of garbage streaming through and being dumped in, homosexual thoughts, trans, whatever. Hiwever if you gather the means and will to stop and assert yourself, fight back, and say wait a minute, these aren't my thoughts, where am I, what am I doing. The bubble immediately pops. All of it disappears, like waking froma dream and stepping back into your body. This tells you everything. It may even be starlink. Of course it waits until you get tired or it has something to use, like self hatred from porn consumption, before trying to forcibly synchronize your brain activity with its imposed pattern. I had a few dreams that involved other men, woke up with an odd compulsion to go on grindr or something. Everywher eI went I felt like other men were viewing me sexually or trying to dominate me, it was a physical sensation of violation in the body itself, Anyway, don't know why, it went away or I made it go away. It was very clearly external, being done to me. The best thing is, if you talk about it most people will just assume you have "internalized homophobia", are closeted, in denial, bicurious, whatever. So an agent that had means to do this could act on people from birth and manipulate their sexual behaviors, as a sort of soft eugenics or cultural control. They would just think "this is me". The technical aspects of the how, don't know. Aersolized pathogen dispersion in the atmosphere, mold (mycotoxins are estrogenic), starlink or "synthetic telepathy" via AI, something like gangstalking remote neural monitoring and frequency feedback for brain entrainment. Who knows.

>>68448 >>68453 I'm sorry but that's not how the real world works. Nobody's in control, nobody cares, everything is chaos and everything is about money. You need to stop consuming so much bad science-fiction, it's not real.

>>68447 From a purely hedonistic perspective, too much porn can be a bad thing. Porn is high-intensity low-effort stimulation. The high intensity means you finish quicker, and the low effort encourages people to do it more often. Both of these decrease the pleasure you get out of it. Sometimes people respond to the decline by seeking out even more extreme stimulation, when what they really should be doing is backing off, doing it less often, doing at least half of their masturbation without staring at a screen full of stuff that will get them off too quick, and perhaps trying less intense erotica like erotic fiction or audio.