Hormone Hacking/ Body mod

I've realized as I've grown older my good youthful looks are fading. Yet, I've noticed many of those who undergo MTF hormone therapy get to regain, or retain many features I like. I guess this has caused me to wonder would it be controversial for me to simply want hormone replacement, not for any gender-affirming reason, but simply for aesthetics, then which led to me realize, so many fuarrrking people in our society have altered themselves, celebrities with plastic surgery and hair transplants, people taking finestaride, steroids. Just kind of makes sense to me I want to screw with my body because I've always had a hacker mindset, this is almost some transhumanism soykaf.

hrt has been proven to lower iq in boys by ~11%, you might be save if you old though, that said estrogen has still a lot of other negative side effects. As for test its useful for health but taking test gives you essentially test addiction because it stops natural test production which makes you reliant on meds and test supplements are derezzed in some countries. So now you have to deal with druggie live being prohibited in some places. tldr: hormone doping is impractical if you wanna keep aging at bay you gotta do the usual crap of good sleep&sport for benefits without drawbacks. Then supplements like vit d cause you likely don't get enough sunlight. And naturally skin care. Also some guys went makeup route. So not everyone you see is actually good looking but just hides their defects just like women do.

>>63355 Well I believe he could opt for taking pregnenolone instead of testosterone. The sex hormone precursor regnenolone, as opposed to testosterone, does not cause shutdown of endogenous production of hormones, in fact it further stimulates the production of pregnenolone. Some people combine this with DHEA in order to promote androgenic activity(if that's what you want). Also, for anti-aging, I would advise strongly against getting lots of sunlight, it will make you wrinkly. Just use a vitamin D supplement, or eat salmon regularly if vitamin D worries you. >>63351 Progesterone is what usually gives trans women the softer/younger look I believe. you could try that but it might give you boobs.

>>63351 tranny here: you should honestly just wear sunscreen on your face every day and take finasteride or dutasteride. also eat well and get good sleep like the other lain said. I'll explain why. the thing is, for anti-aging estrogen cream you need to have a source at a compounding pharmacy or make it yourself. I'm assuming you aren't dedicated enough to source raws from China, get them tested, and then mix them into a low enough concentration that they won't feminize you. And since you aren't a tranny, you're very, very ,very unlikely to find a doctor willing to prescribe you a cream of appropriate concentration (lower than normal HRT) from a compounding pharmacy. there's like ONE guy I know of who does it and his waitlist is like 2 years long with yknow, actual trannies who want more specialized care. don't even think of taking actual full HRT unless this is a bizarre cope to justify it. you won't have a good time and you won't like the side effects as a man. >>63359 I don't think progesterone has an impact on aging? and it shouldn't give you boobs on its own, if anything it would be more likely to make it impossible for OP to ever grow boobs as it sort of "completes" existing breast development in most people's cases. i.e. if you already have boobs they'll get a bit bigger and round out, if you have no boobs then they'll just like... not really do anything. progesterone is a fairly new thing though so the jury is still out and I'm relying on my extensive anecdata of just knowing a ton of trannies.

Could you explain what features you want? I've thought of the same before because i was robbed of my youth and while i look younger for my age i started aging quicker recently from drinking alcohol on a regular basis and high stress levels but I realized i havent even tried normal skin care treatments and also recently found a product that claims to restore cheek fat cells. >>63355 Sure you didnt just confuse normal HRT for cross sex HRT? Trans people have higher than average IQs compares to general public. Though it's possible if that only counted those who underwent transition therapy only there may be a socioeconomic factor to that.

>>63365 Think of relative not absolute values, if you downgrade from 130 to 120 its still bad. You're still smarter than a lot of people but i would never trade iq for something else. If anything i would happily trade looks for more iq. As for why and how - hormone gradients act as a coordinate system and control cell differentiation, they arent meant to control just one thing. So you can not block developing into a specific gender without blocking other processes unrelated to gender which is how it messes up brain development in this example. Now why i said old people might be fine is that you all heard 25 brain development mostly stops entirely. Never research however says neuroplasticity never fully stops so it could be never save. Simply don't know. All i can safely say is paper i read they tested iq in a group of boys doing hrt and they saw a ~11% decline over test period. Also op mentioned steroids as an example - well its also an example for this issue - common problem with roiders is heart goes rip as side effect. If roiding didn't have such issues more would do it as a no brainer. Final point yet to be mentioned: Avoiding stress is the biggest deal. Stress ages you more than anything else. I think a lot of people lost hair over rona and looping in doom circles on the net. So you need to develop a robust mentality or avoid negative topics to avoid stressing yourself out.

>>63365 Well most of what happened to me during male puberty was literally traumatic. Severe Acne, Darker Rougher skin, Receeding hairline. I suppose those are the features I want back. I also extemely dislike having facial. I won't deny this could just be a weird cope and I might actually want to transition. When I was 20-23 I had very feminine face and hair, and very masculine muscly body. I enjoyed that, guess I should consider myself lucky I had the best of both features. Would be way more socially acceptable for me to wear makeup if I trooned out, I'm also quite a soft person and hate how I'm treated these days.

>>63382 Good makeup on a dude is probably the easiest win cause nobody expects it. Like women you know they use makeup and face can look like hiroshima underneath. With a guy people will assume you its real cause no western dude uses makeup. You just cant get yourself caught with beginner mistakes that make it blatant obvious. Personally i was just glad born a dude cause im lazy af and couldn't be bothered to do all that effort daily. As for hairline thats commonly stress induced. The muscles under the skin affect the hairline and stressed = muscle tension stiffens skin which affects hair negative. It could even be that you worried to much about acne inducing hair loss. Acne is generally diet. I can induce it at will by eating huge amounts of sugar which makes sense once you read sugar is inflammatory.

>>63351 >Yet, I've noticed many of those who undergo MTF hormone therapy get to regain, or retain many features I like Do you want to look like a ghoul? The cosmetic industry is a billion dollars market and they never come with a product that really work. If they had anything that somehow work, they would sell it and invest millions in marketing. They don't. You are turning 30 and start to look like one, worry not it's what women of that age are looking for and it make you more employable. The ride start at 40. > this is almost some transhumanism soykaf. It's not more transumanists than to give insulin to a diabetic. Talk about augments, transferring the mind, gene therapy, that is transumanist. And as dystopian as it can be. >>63355 It seem the hormone blockers that come with the treatment is what cause this. Among other things, estrogen in know to increase impulsivity, so yeah, it's not neutral.

>>63382 >Severe Acne, Darker Rougher skin, Receeding hairline. I suppose those are the features I want back I'm guessing you meant you want to undo those, not that you want them back? Use a topical retinol cream/gel for the acne and rough skin. Adapalene is over the counter in the USA now, but for stronger like retin-a or tretinoin, you'll need to go to a dermatologist. Topical retinols work by increasing your skin cell turn over which softens your skin and slows (and in some cases, reverses) the appearance of wrinkles. FDA approved for anti-aging and acne. Be aware that retinols have a purge period, where the increased cell turn over will also push acne that is a few skin cell lays down up to the surface more quickly, so for the first 6-12 weeks, your acne will probably worsen. And also use a nonirritating facial cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen every day. Sun damage is the number one cause of aging skin. >I also extemely dislike having facial (hair) Hrt won't help there unless you have almost negligible hair already. Hrt will thin your facial hair a little but not stop its growth. The transwomen you see with no facial hair either transitioned before they started growing it or they lasered or zapped it away. If you want to be rid of it permanently, just get electrolysis or laser hair removal. >>63363 I think there are more than one lains asking. Maybe OP wasn't here for those threads. I've seen it mentioned off lainchan a few times, too. It seems that it is an idea many men are exploring.

>>63395 I must be completely lying to people, I just want to look like a woman, my favorite pictures of myself are when I had long hair cut by a woman, and was younger. Just feels so odd to say. Like that these options are even options. I just stare at old men and am like if I wind up growing into that I will be very unhappy, also it's inevitable if I don't troon out.

>>63401 > I just want to look like a woman Then don't transition. Friendly advice. Dress as a trap if you like to have dudes in your bottom and stop here. My youth is gone and I can tell you when you get old there is no shame if looking like what you are. What is gone is gone. Don't ruin what you have left.

>>63406 I just don't feel like you're commenting in good faith when you assume this is sexual.

>>63373 >hormone gradients act as a coordinate system and control cell differentiation, they arent meant to control just one thing. I suppose it could do that but IQ is in itself a debatable measure of intelligence with many flaws and even if we set that aside likely EQ possibly goes up along side such a decline if it did occur >Now why i said old people might be fine is that you all heard 25 brain development mostly stops entirely. >Never research however says neuroplasticity never fully stops so it could be never save. That's just a meme like you only use 10% of your brain. Neither being true just media bastardization of science. The age 25 is based on one study on myelination but even just stress messes that up and it doesn't really hold real meaningful significance. Neuroplaaticity is closer to the reality yes >All i can safely say is paper i read they tested iq in a group of boys doing hrt and they saw a ~11% decline over test period. Do you remember the title of the paper? >So you need to develop a robust mentality or avoid negative topics to avoid stressing yourself out. Easier said than done. >>63382 Retinol or tretinoin or whatever they are called those various creams help and sometimes remove scars from acne. I don't like rougher skin either but there likely is some other ways to smooth it some I guess? My face also recently got darker and im not sure why but did you check under hair hair line? If it is lighter it may just be a tan and you need to use sunscreen more often and wear a hat to shield your face. I havent taken care of either myself yet still. For hair there are meds for that but could first try to take biotin and try aloe vera extract or stinging nettle on the scalp, Im not big on facial hair there are treatments for that though what they do is cause cellular damage to stop the hair from growing for some years but i suspect this risks damaging your cheek fat pads. >Would be way more socially acceptable for me to wear makeup if I trooned out, I'm also quite a soft person and hate how I'm treated these days. That's a bad reason. For starters while you may have people mock you less you're more likely to get full on physically assaulted one way or another. Also makeup wont do your skin very good like proper skincare would so just wear it selectively. I consider myself the same way. Though unlike you i dont have any clear image of what id like my body to look like. Sure doesnt help I have mild gynecemastia from tea tree oil exposure during puberty. I dont look masculine enough or feminine enough or androgynous enough to satisfy me.

>>63401 try estrogen and see how you like it, I guess? it's almost definitely not going to make you look like a woman but if you're suffering from dysphoria then i know trannies who say even if they never present female, the estrogen takes the edge off the pain

>>63407 >Sexual identity isn't sexual Explain. >>63449 >i know trannies who say even if they never present female, the estrogen takes the edge off the pain There is more in life than removing the pain.

>>63456 You are conflating the diffent definitions of sex and sexual identity. Sexual identity, referring to one's attraction to others, is not what is relevant here; when discussing cross sex hrt and trans people, we are concerned with sex, the state of being male or female. Identity is centered around the self. Sexuality is centered around one's attraction to others. The decision to take cross sex hrt often revolves around the dissatisfication/discomfort with one's body. I cannot speak for everyone, but this is a separate and distinct feeling from attraction to a certain sex/gender. Gay men and straight trans woman are both sexually attracted to men, yet they differ in identity. If you refuse to understand this, then you are not speaking in good faith.

Just to point out i heard from some trans girl before that femboys get an estrogen cream just to apply to the face as opposed to what MtF get. But i dont know if this does anything for someone past puberty and as I mentioned before normal skincare products might be enough to get desired results.

>>63459 This is true. If acne is hormonal rather than diet related, topical estrogren can be effective, and will also generally soften skin and decrease oil production. Some femboys take estrogen orally or transdermally while taking a selective estrogen receptor modulator in order to prevent unwanted changes such as breast growth. If anyone is looking for more information, there are other forums and imageboards focused on (diy) (femboy) hrt.

>>63461 I've heard mixed things about SERMs. Ive heard they can make areolas bigger or something. Did i hear that right?

>>63457 Nothing really makes me hate trannies more then the explicit denials of AGP motivation. I guess, except seeing them in person.

>>63457 Consider the following: No matter what your body is, even if you have handicaps, this is your only body and you must take care of it. Damaging it can only result in making things worse. Identity is how we perceive the perception of other. It's a social issue, not a biological one.