Martial Arts

Do you like martial arts? I think martial arts is not only a fantastic way of doing some exercise, but also a form of mind discipline, almost like meditation. Do you or have you practiced martial arts for exercise, self defense, competition, or even just for fun? Are there any professional leagues you like? What are your favorite martial arts disciplines?

Learning fighting is just practical when you live in a rough place. Boxing seems best to train for self defense in terms of required effort and efficiency. Most of the fancy soykaf like taekwondo only works while on the mat because its run as a sport with rules prohibiting effective counters so it breaks on the street where rules don't exist. In addition youre painting a target on yourself doing official combat sports because the law will threat you harsher if you get caught in a conflict and make you responsible for any damage you cause even if the other idiot started it. So i always considered it smarter to be on no official list. Nowadays i only do regular exercise but i used to care about making sure to live an easier life. Past high school i had 0 fights so there was no reason to stay in fighting condition.

>>63174 For sure, boxing and kickboxing/muay thai would be great for stand up fighting. Brazilian jiu-jitsu or some kind other kind of grappling could be useful too, not as an initial defense style but as a last resort if you get dragged to the ground. Are there any weapons based martial arts that interest you? More out of just general interest rather than for self defense.

I used to practice kung fu, I was especially fond of staff techniques. We never did any sparring under my teacher so I don't really have any experience in actually using it for combat. In my opinion, the top tier martial art has to be taijiquan, it embodies the essence of eastern martial arts. But I have lacked the focus to practice regularly. And with no teacher to guide me, I may get wrong even the little I learned back with my teacher. Maybe I should try picking it back up.

>>63191 The problem with grappling is it only works 1v1, its highly effective against someone who never trained in it but if a second dude jumps in and you're on the ground he can easily kick your head in. So you cant allow yourself to go to ground on street because you almost never deal with just one guy. If anyone plans to start trouble they bring their guys along. Now theoretically i got told doing some bjj would be good to learn exactly how to avoid getting dragged to the ground but personally never bothered so don't have deeper knowledge. I did bit of wrestling though and that was sufficient for me to avoid getting dragged down. As for weapons i have a friend who is into swords. Does hema and trained in some aikido branch that apparently also included sword training. We did some light sparring and i got generally completely btfod. This made me think a well trained swordsman could actually solo a group of peasants because the gap is really that big. As for actually most interesting i got a story: when i was something like 10 i found a website of a middle european master looking for a disciple to continue the lineage. His art was focused on breaking bones and he wrote it originated somewhere in ~15th century, he had the initial training documented as well as image of himself. Dude was old with grey hair but looked better than bruce lee. His training was focused on hand strength and had exercises like gripping vases in horse stance which would be filled increasingly more as training progressed. One of my little regrets of never following this further or at least saving everything he provided online. Definitely the most interesting martial art bit i ever found. Back then i thought i don't have the discipline or the means so closed the site and forgot about it. Years later i wanted to try it as i got to know high grip strength is in general useful but it was gone and i couldn't find it anymore.

I love taekwon-do but wanna something more harmful, bc most of trainings are ITF or GTF (in Russia, maybe somewhere more of WTF), where punches or kicks like a slap from girl and most of guys are point users. Also, we with my friends and guys from vk and 2ch made the Fight club, where you just fight with another guy, in outfit ofc, but he can be a newbie or a master of boxing, it's not important. FIGHTING and getting punches to face, that is important. It was cool, but guys (i don't know why) did not pay a fuarrrking 1.5$ to rent (rent was about 50$ a month), so we closed it. Also, at summer, we're fighting in parks, or somewhere else for free.

Any suggestions on martial arts related media? Either fictional or non fictional? Any Sci fi related ones?

>>63198 Sounds like the problem isn't necessarily grappling but just being on the ground. MAybe something like judo, which focuses more on throw, would be better. I used to do kickboxing and I've done a bit of taekwondo and karate. Always wanted to try more grappling because I get the feeling it's better suited for a short guy like me.

>>63201 >scifi martial arts what would that be? gundam sword fights? I guess the boxing with exoskeletons movie could count and there's a manga like that too but i couldn't name either. As for regular mangas: more realism: all rounder meguru and teppu are both mma mangas, holyland is about street fighting rule of cool: baki, though not about fighting but kinda related is that bodybuilder manga how heavy are the dumbbells you lift. Entry level surface knowledge but you do forget some things so its not bad getting reminded by entertainment in a fun way.

>>63200 cool way to get braindamage

The best way of defending yourself is to just run away. Imagine putting your health/life/freedom in risk by getting into a fight. Are you all twelve or something? Grow up.

I used to formally practice karate as kid then taekwondo in adolescence, I looked on other martial arts and practiced them on my own for a time like muay thai. My original reasons for learning it where self defense but eventually i left them cause i realized I only liked martials arts as means to self defense not really wanted to dedicate my life to it. I think everyone should at least do some months about martial arts its not just for knowing self defense but also cause it makes you grow as a person in terms of patience, discipline and promoting healthy attitudes when competing

>>63174 >Most of the fancy soykaf like taekwondo only works while on the mat because its run as a sport with rules prohibiting effective counters so it breaks on the street where rules don't exist. All martial arts naturally get optimized for fight people doing the same martial arts because they're the people you train against every week. That's why the first guy to do judo in a boxing ring almost killed his opponent. The pure boxer simply had no idea what to do after he got grabbed and the referee didn't jump in to stop the fight. I agree in general though, some styles are better than others for fighting an untrained person on street. >>63191 >Brazilian jiu-jitsu or some kind other kind of grappling could be useful too, not as an initial defense style but as a last resort if you get dragged to the ground. If it's 1v1 I think you are much better off choking someone out than smashing their face in. At least when it comes to the legal system. >>63202 >I used to do kickboxing and I've done a bit of taekwondo and karate. Always wanted to try more grappling because I get the feeling it's better suited for a short guy like me. I feel like grapping is better for controlling a situation as well. I've been in situations where someone is kicking off but not actually hitting anyone yet and it's like, what am I going to do here? My karate options are punch him or kick him, but then I will be the one who technically started the fight and if it doesn't work then I've just made the situation a whole lot worse.

>>63244 >All martial arts naturally get optimized for fight people doing the same martial arts because they're the people you train against every week. While people try to get better within the system a lot of the martial arts lost their bite as they removed dangerous moves from their training on the path of becoming a sport where the customers first priority is not getting disabled. So its not that the style didn't know how to counter itself but that moves got forbidden for safety. Taekwondo gets often ridiculed in this scope because they play with a "no hits while opponent is on ground" rule which leads to a "fall to ground for safe escape" gameplay thats hilarious for outsiders to watch not playing that game. Which agian is cause they moved from a combat art to sport with scoring points gameplay.

>>63245 >its not that the style didn't know how to counter itself but that moves got forbidden for safety What boxing moves got forbidden for safety? >Taekwondo gets often ridiculed in this scope because they play with a "no hits while opponent is on ground" rule which leads to a "fall to ground for safe escape" gameplay That doesn't seem like a safety issue. Even karate allows stomping in competition. >Which agian is cause they moved from a combat art to sport with scoring points gameplay. The most universal sporting rule is weight. Boxing, judo, karate, wrestling, MMA. Any kind of contact martial arts competition is divided by weight categories because body size is the dominant fact not skill. That's the real blackpill here, no kind of martial art can make up for the fact that you're not 6'6".

>>63259 In case of boxing its probably not for safety but they to prohibit "dirty moves" like opening the opponents guard by grabbing it aside with one hand to get in with the other. The safety prohibited moves are more a topic in karate, muaythai, etc. There are names that distinguish schools doing the old hardcore style from the modern toned down normal but its been too long ago for me to remember. Used to be into it age 10-16. Lastly you're obviously right size can dominate skill but you might as well say just get a knife at that point. Kinda beside the point of talking about how martial arts got toned down.

>>63261 >Kinda beside the point of talking about how martial arts got toned down. The point was that all martial arts grind against themselves so it's easy to get into trouble when you suddenly fight someone different. It's not just a taekwondo thing or whatever. It was >>63245 who randomly came in with all rules are for safety. >There are names that distinguish schools doing the old hardcore style from the modern toned down normal but its been too long ago for me to remember. I don't know about styles but shotokan karate has had a long standing division between traditional and sport rules for competition (WSKA vs WKF). Traditional rules are fight to 1 point, most techniques are 0.5 points but something like a kick to the head is 1 whole point. So you can literally go in kick someone in the head and win in under 3 seconds. Which emulates what can happen in a real fight but is not very entertaining to watch (e.g. for olympics) The sport rules have much higher scores needed to win, something like 3 kicks to the head, and they have longer time limits like 3-5 minutes instead of 60 seconds. But that all puts the emphasis on fitness and impressing the judges rather than actually beating up your opponent.

>>63263 WSKA also has an unwritten rule that you can't get disqualified for techniques to the body. You get warnings for hitting people too hard in the face because they don't want people getting knocked out or getting cut up and bleeding everywhere. But if you get your ribs smashed in then that's totally on you for being a soykaf fighter. WKF are much more homo about wearing full body armor and then also disqualifying people for making contact.

>>63244 >If it's 1v1 I think you are much better off choking someone out than smashing their face in. At least when it comes to the legal system. On this you are actually wrong, it instantly becomes a 3rd degree felony and can be construed as attempted murder. Legally you are much better off smashing their face in, at least in the us legal system.

>>63265 >it instantly becomes a 3rd degree felony and can be construed as attempted murder A strike to the head could be actual murder if they fall wrong or you're just really unlucky. I think you have to really hang on long after they've gone limp to injure someone with a choke. There's also the civil side, if you knock someone's teeth out you might end up with the dentist bill. Good point though.

>>63271 >I think you have to really hang on long after they've gone limp to injure someone with a choke. You can crush someone's windpipe long before they actually pass out. That's why you're supposed to do it a certain way in sexual situations, it's possible to seriously injure your partner otherwise. Passing out from windpipe constriction itself can cause brain damage as well.

Brazilian jiu-jitsu and boxing are great ways to workout and get rid of stress.

>>63265 Where I'm from, choking or impeding breathing is a felony enhancement to assault family violence, and otherwise generally appears as an unqualified misdemeanor assault, like in these 'fighting a stranger' scenarios. But in any case it is important to try to get some idea of what is considered deadly force in your jurisdiction and when it's considered to be justified, and how to have the mindset and navigate the processes. Massad Ayoob is a great read for this.

>>63224 Imagine putting your wife / children / friends / family at risk by just running away when a threat appears. What are you a loner or something? Grow up.

>>63224 >>63308 >>63323 >>63259 missing the point. Training martial arts is to build confidence. You don't need to worry about x person as much if you know you can handle yourself in a fight. Its like carrying a gun for protection, you carry it hoping to never have to use it. Its a backup. You cant always just run away from every fight, nor is it always beneficial. obviously you *can* or *should* run in some scenarios, but that alone isn't enough to completely disregard martial arts. Just because *some* people are bigger than you doesn't mean its pointless to train. personally I train muai thai, its really fun/brutal. It seems like one of the more actually applicable martial arts/fighting sports in a genuine fight as it uses the whole body (knees, elbows) and plenty of grappling. I plan on learning BJJ at some point as well as to have a strong ground game. don't fall into the fallacy of claiming martial arts are pointless just because of a blanket claim. go out and train, that soykaf is good for you. >>63323 has never needed to fight

>>63308 I'm sure your life is an action movie where things like that actually happen dear lainchan.org poster internet tough guy martial artists karate ninja.

I practice japanese sword martial arts, but only for fitness and recreation. I have guns and knives if i actually get into a fight. Martial arts really don't work for self defense unless you are practicing in a controlled environment. Self defense techniques are all no-rules engagements anyway, the only thing a martial art can do for that is make you faster, stronger, or more flexible. Yes i'm a filthy weeb who studies the blade how did you know

>>63333 Nice digits. Anyway, these people really seem to live a sheltered life, one that I am not even sure will remain viable within a couple decades. They also display a very one-dimensional way of thinking. Quite disappointing, really. But mainly it makes me realize that it's really a crappy community of screen-addicted middle-class kids and not quite the "high-tech-low-life" post-collapse anarchopunks they larp.

>>63333 Never needing to fight is a win lol. Well said about the confidence. >>63726 Again, being sheltered is a credit to my parents: so long as they exposed me to useful skills and prevent gullibility, I don't need to know what a sucking chest wound looks like. Any communities you suggest? You're right about our demographics, but I wish we were wealthier, not poorer since power will continue to consolidate, and wealth opens doors to do more cool soykaf. >>63725 >the only thing a martial art can do for that is make you faster, stronger, or more flexible Those aren't the main benefits. The main thing is being used to high stress violent situations and getting hurt. You can be fairly fit, but if you freeze up, you're worthless. Paul Harrell (has shot multiple men in self defense, former army marksmanship instructor) has a great YouTube channel on firearms self defense, and two of his suggestions which stuck with me are these: practice high stress situations (even just doing kareoke), and go hunting with your self defense gun. Being used to adrenaline dumps and confident with your tools-be they a gun, a fist, or a running shoe is what wins the day.

>>63726 > hurrr errybuddy is a LARP but me Has it occurred to you that the dissonance you perceive as some kind of posturing is in fact the result of one group saying and doing something and a different group behaving otherwise? It's not like Lain is one person.

>>63201 Movies and TV: Iron & Silk (1990) Cobra Kai (TV Series 2018– ) The Street Fighter (1974) Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) Enter the Dragon (1973) Once Upon a Time in High School: The Spirit of Jeet Kune Do (2004) Five Deadly Venoms (1978) Black Belt (2007) Drunken Master II (1994) Fist of Legend (1994) Budo (1979) Merantau (2009) Ong-Bak: The Thai Warrior (2003) Beautiful Boxer (2003) The Raid (2011 film) Kung Fu (TV Series 1972–1975) Bloodsport (1988) Road House (1989) The Last of the Knucklemen (1979)

>>63333 >>63727 I know people who larp as CoD characters for self defense, and I laughed that they will probably never be in a situation where they will need 8 spare mags and a secondary sidearm in a first world country. Inb4 muh ww3 Mindset is everything though, desensitizing yourself to stress is probably more important than learning l33t combat skills. Someone recommended the book left of bang for situational awareness, but I have not read it. My recommendation is to pick a martial art that teaches killing, not one that tries to teach sportsmanship. Krav maga, Wing chun, or Systema have their own ways of teaching and understanding stress and control as examples. Plenty of people can fight in a sanitary environment, but put them on an actual street with a thug and they won't make it.

>>63245 I read a book which pointed out that the other problem with martial arts is that they don't train you to respond to abstract attacks, and limit your mindset to "valid" moves from your art of choice. They don't teach you to fight methheads with bottles or machetes, and they don't teach you to fight groups. In theory, most martial arts teach that people can mostly just do 1v1 or 2v1, but once your on the ground by one, you might get curb stomped by the other (I've seen this happen) also what do you do if a drunk throws a chair at you then charges with a knife while you stumble to get up? also seen that.

>>64501 Pressure testing. Geoff Thompson has his "Animal Day", a no-hold-barred day, and Tony Blauer has "Panic Attacks" training, basically full-contact LARPing muggings and ambushes. Most styles founded and taught by bouncers are realistic enough to reflect multiple opponents, weapons, bad lighting, uneven surfaces and the effects of adrenalin, blood loss, panic and pain.

>>64508 Spetznas used "puppets", death row inmates or hardcore prisoner told to larp fight or resist, and if they survives they get reduced prison sentence. They did not usually survive.

>>64501 >>64508 90% of any martial art is physical conditioning and having control over your body. You can't perform under pressure without that, regardless of what moves you know. Putting yourself under pressure frequently won't give it to you. That's why most people who learned to fight "on the streets" are pretty bad at fighting. >In theory, most martial arts teach that people can mostly just do 1v1 or 2v1 That is realistic. Given a level playing field, 3v1 is an unfair fight, even between a highly competent fighter and three mooks. If you want to win against multiple opponents, you need to seek some kind of environmental advantage and/or intimidate them. >>64526 everyone loves their apocryphal stories about spetznas

>>64470 Good list, lainon. There are quite a few nice classics there. OP's pic is from a fighting league called Karate Combat. It is like old school American kickboxing, but with a visual aesthetic flair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9USKXPQO5k

>>64538 >90% of any martial art is physical conditioning and having control over your body. You can't perform under pressure without that, regardless of what moves you know. Putting yourself under pressure frequently won't give it to you. That's why most people who learned to fight "on the streets" are pretty bad at fighting. Youre mixing things up here. Muscle memory ingrained moves work better with people who are in panic mode because they stop thinking rationally. BUT you don't need automated behavior if you don't panic. People who experience a lot of soykaf stay calm cause they are used to the pressure and can think rationally which makes ingraining automated behavior not necessary. This is also a general take not limited to fighting. If you train to a fixed behavior you can execute it even under pressure but what if its not the perfect solution? Well then you messed up. And thats why people without training but the ability to stay calm can outperform trained. The issue is that most people never reach this mindset and thats the sole reason you go for the automated route - you can reliable install it into a person unlike the calm in face of dead mentality.

>>65913 You are the one making stuff up. >Muscle memory ingrained moves work better with people who are in panic mode because they stop thinking rationally. BUT you don't need automated behavior if you don't panic. This is backwards. You panic when you don't know what to do. You don't panic if you have fine-tuned control of your body which can only be gained by physical conditioning and practice. Training how to do a specific kick doesn't *justz train you to do that one kick, it gives you better ability to control your own body. A lot of people forget that at one point in their lives they had to learn how to walk. >People who experience a lot of soykaf stay calm cause they are used to the pressure and can think rationally which makes ingraining automated behavior not necessary I doubt it without any concrete evidence. People who have had many traumatic experiences seem to me to be worse under pressure, if anything. See: PTSD. >And thats why people without training but the ability to stay calm can outperform trained. Again, doubt.

>>65915 Panic happens because of the situation. Not just cause you clueless. You dont soykaf yourself cause you cant solve a math question. You can panic however when someone runs with a knife at you regardless of how many self defense courses you took. Otherwise of course you doubt it. You look at common behavior which contradicts it while my entire point is people who actually can stay calm are a small minority. You train automated behavior cause the majority cant stay calm.