The Grindset

Hi Lainons, as of late I've thought about getting into the upper-class management world. How would I go about doing this? What kind of grindset should I abide by to be able to work a job paying at the very least 100k a year by my thirties? I'm a pretty resourceful, curious, and enterprising guy. But I'm not sure how to start. I've been pumping iron for the past six months and while I'm sure I've got the body to begin the grindset I've got no idea how to actually get a foot into the door of a Fortune 500. Advice is appreciated.

>as of late I've thought about getting into the upper-class management world Why? Sounds like a miserable experience. >a job paying at the very least 100k a year Is it all about the money for you or are you also very concerned about things like social status and getting to boss people around?

>I want to get into the upper-class business management world >starts the thread with a photo of the one character who demonstrates why getting into the upper-class business management world is a horrible idea In all seriousness though, the best advice that I can give is don't do it just to do it, you've gotta have an impassioned goal. We all start by thinking a trade or an occupation is cool, but that's where many people stop their ambition. That's because they lack a passion for it. A passion can be loving what you do in the trade, or a specific goal tied to your beliefs. For example, someone might think that being a priest looks cool, but won't pursue it unless they really want to spread god's love to the world. I still think it's a horrible idea, the upper-class are savages who consume one another through greed and barbarism, but hide it behind business suits, meetings, and polite smiles. That does not sound like a group I want to be a part of. But if you really must, then come up with a business that you feel strongly passionate about. Maybe you have interest in Law, you'd like to defend people in court? Then study law and open up your own firm. Find something you're passionate about and build the business from that passion, because that strong desire in you will drive you forward past all obstacles.

You will need to submit to groupthink and indoctrination rituals. Upper upper management is a closed circle of consipiring people who all know how the game is played and who is on their side, you dont know jack soykaf from your end.

Social skills are probably going to be your top priority. And I mean Machiavelli (though more mundane books such as Dale Carnegie will be usefull too). I am unsure about recommending game theory. It seems like a good framework for decision making, but being a mathematical topic it can get detached from practical matters. General systems theory should help too. Getting there will depend less on actual knowledge than on social navigation skills, but knowledge is always an asset. Learn about money: economics, and actual management. Don't get too tangled in theory though, it is enough to be conversant (ie. not ignorant) so you can talk-the-talk. And the real work is in making connections, seeking people, trying to close deals, getting to know everyone who's anyone, and have them seeyou often enough to get used to your face. You also have to play nice and perform little social gimmicks like remember details about people such as their birthdays, remem er to greet them on holidays, all that soykaf. I could never hack it, but it goes along those lines, though that's a first step and still far from the top. Also, don't fall into the grindset mentality, those motivational videos on jewtube? Those are designed for slaves. Keep your head above the illusions and you might just make it.

Is it money you want or a power trip? I don't get why you would want to manage empty lifeless people. You should probably watch the movie you used as a photo for this thread.

At my work, most managers are former developers who took on a management role after doing development work for a few years. The most common path here is to start as a developer on an agile team, become a scrum master or product owner, then become general manager of a few teams, then a project manager, then business unit manager. Usually these and higher positions are reached through internal promotions, but experienced individuals have been hired in. This is just my experience and is specific to software companies who follow the agile methodology. Most industries have some books that are in vogue for the preferred management style of the industry. Read those. >grindset ignore the grindset meme. Get a nine to five job, pay attention to their boring meetings about career growth, and follow their internal promotion paths. Or get a new job if they don't have good internal promotion processes. Don't grind for it. Working 60 hour weeks at a salaried position isn't going to make your management think you deserve a promotion. They're going to think either you're incompetent and need extra time to get your work done, you're a good worker they can pay less for more time at your current position and therefore are valuable and hard to replace at your current position (therefore no role changes), and/or you're barreling towards burnout and shouldn't be given more responsibility. The corporate grindset is a meme by NEETS, teens, and poor people who have never worked in an office. And the influencers who take advantage of them. >I've been pumping iron for the past six months and while I'm sure I've got the body to begin the grindset This has nothing to do with management. Have you seen most high level managers? They're not exactly known for being the fittest.

>>57380 Pretty sure you misunderstood the culture, grindset =ignore distractions and focus on what you really want On point that working hard doesnt equal getting ahead because if you make yourself irreplaceable you cement yourself towards never getting promoted. Working hard doesnt however equal being a good mule at your job. You can work hard at your career in various alternate ways like getting additional qualifications and job hunting in your free time instead of wasting it away. Thats imo the point of grindset in modern culture - stop wasting it on the entertainment trap.

>>57354 go to the best business school in your country simple as

>>57358 That is the thing that kills me. I get it is a mixed bag but just as you are okay with compromising those at the top decide to create another useless pc rule. I think it is gate keeping to keep put competent competitors at this point.

>>57870 life is obeying the rules, especially when you cooperate with others if you want to make career in business, you need to obey they rules if you can't, it's not because rules are stupid but you lack of discipline

By the way, I find it amusing, totally amusing that lot of guys actually believe and constantly fantasise about being most chad alpha in the town but they're whining from conforming to the simplest rules just because their pride doesn't allow them to. You can't even recognise the hierarchy as legitimate and yet you want to be on top of it. Choose one - either you're Alexander or the Diogenes. You can't live like one of them and have the authority of the second.

>>57935 Playing the rules is for people who are disposable and have no alternative path. If you have real high value you can fuarrrk around because tolerating your bullshit is worth the trouble. That's what most people want enough power to do whatever they want without giving a soykaf. And it doesn't take much, having good savings means you can tell your job gtfo whenever you want for example.

>>57942 >Playing the rules is for people who are disposable every 12yo and homeless junkie with aspd thinks that with such mentality you don't only never get any position or have any success in life, you even don't deserve it

>>57943 Business doesnt even follow laws. If the profit beats fines they do it. Following rules blind is for worker drones who will never amount to anything.

>>57945 everything follow rules, even if unwritten. intelligent people know it and make use of it, but to do this, you need at the beginning be humble enough to actually accept them, which in your case it's not a threat

>>57946 The rules is if you have value you dont have to act like a serf. Something you will never experience.

>>57947 I actually experience freedom all the time, you don't?

>>57356 >horrible idea I don't know anon, killing hookers and filthy fuarrrking beggars sounds based

>>57960 Yes anon but consider that, you do not need to be in the upper management business world to do either of those things. Actually, it'd be easier to get away with it if you weren't. >beggars last I checked he was just homeless, wasn't the beggar type, he lived in an alley.

>>57960 we all die sooner or later, so who you want to kill

get a masters degree, never stay at one job for more than 2 years (unless you get promoted), form personal connections with co workers because they will be instrumental in climbing the office hierarchy (and if they move to a different company they could help you get hired there too), don't be a white male (makes getting interviews much easier).

>>57942 a great essay series on suckers playing by the rules and competent people becoming stuck in the middle. https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/

>>57354 >Find a bunch of money hungry investors >Create an idea with no realistic way of implementing it >Patent said idea >When a company actually implements it, force legal action to acquire said idea >Now that you own the idea and implementation, sell out to a tech giant >profit?

>>57971 this I went from 0 in a call center to a snr manager (soon to be director) in 8.5 years with literally nothing. I make a soykaf ton of money and literally just play videogames and dial into meetings and parrot ideas. I have no debt except my home, which i bought almost 4 years ago and its paid about half off

>>57971 >don't be a white male (makes getting interviews much easier). I've never had a problem getting interviews as a white guy but I've known black men who will go by a whiter sounding first name on their resumes to secure interviews. Probably is a regional thing as many people in my area are genuinely racist.

>>58167 >Competing with friends over sales job >Be white, friends are black and Spanish >Spanish guy was qualified, living with parents >Black guy sells drugs, got plenty of sleep and got drunk before the interview >I worked a double the night before and got 2 hours of sleep, prepared for work 5 hours after the fact and took the interview an hour away anyway because I'm a demigod and a professional Not even mad >Black guy quit a month later because "he wanted more time to himself"

>>57365 Game theory would be useless as it assumes that all parties are acting rationally but humans are prone to not do so...

>>58185 In game theory their idea of rational is actually pretty low bar. So that's less an issue than you think. Just look up the prisoner dilema. I was surprised my answer was considered wrong in game theory and delved into outside sources what was dubbed something along lines "super rational". Game theory basically assumes everyone is a low average IQ and sociopathic. The whole thing is basically politically motivated for pro war agendas it seems.

>>58217 >In game theory their idea of rational is actually pretty low bar You need 1) perfect knowledge of what game you're playing and your valuations of different outcomes 2) the fact that all players have this knowledge needs to be "common knowledge" (so everyone knows you know, and they know you know they know, etc.). The fact that both of these are violated in real life means that you quickly get to the frontiers of mathematical knowledge when modelling unknown games, asymmetric games, etc. In the prisoner's dilemma it is assumed that the motivations and valuations of the prisoners can be reduced to four particular numbers. That itself is absurd, as you have noted many people choose not to rate the other out. That is because there are more motivations at play than merely wanting to get out of prison.

>>58167 It depends entirely on the country / region as you said. But corporations nowadays have legal restrictions and quotas that they HAVE TO fill a certain number of black / punjabi / asians etc. So their next candidate might simply not allowed to be white, and one should be aware of that. This is more true for the huge congleromates close do the top down corporate responsibility i.e. NWO-Agenda Universities in the USA ofcourse are all strictly anti-white, they will not take in any more white especially male students unless they show extraordinary talent and can provide near term benefits like increasing their number of citations rank by providing actually useful work, theres always a need for a bit of that. In any case, be aware of your surroundings.

>>58241 >But corporations nowadays have legal restrictions and quotas that they HAVE TO fill a certain number of black / punjabi / asians etc i don't think this is true? affirmative action tends to be self-imposed. ive never heard of legislation, at least in the US, requiring this. >they will not take in any more white especially male students unless they show extraordinary talent i go to a uni in the US and there's plenty of white dudes here who aren't particularly talented. they're a plurality of the student body

>>58242 I am talking about more upper ranking (top 500 world ranking) universities. I dont know where you live if you're in a more small town "local" area It's likely the ZOG agenda is not pushed as hard. But anyway just look at any university website and you will see only minority representation token faces, then the majority or half of research is usually asian / nonwhite. Example: https://umanitoba.ca/admissions/undergraduate-admissions

>>58245 i go to one of the most left-wing universities in the united states, in a medium-large city. they 100% do the minority thing for their websites, but if you actually attend at the university there's no real shortage of average white dudes. universities just like money. speaking from experience agenda-type stuff is only really pushed in the required classes you take freshman year. other than that it's in like, the newsletters, i guess, but I don't read those. idk anything about research statistics though, I'm not in research.

>>58241 >So their next candidate might simply not allowed to be white, and one should be aware of that. That usually isn't the policy. Typically the deal is more like "we need you to reach a certain goal when hiring, but of course you also can't discriminate ;)". Hiring managers have a lot of discretion and if they're in a politically advantageous position (or if they just don't care about becoming VP) they can just play it straight and hire whoever is best for the job. Not everyone in a typical corpo has bought into that agenda. >Universities in the USA ofcourse are all strictly anti-white, they will not take in any more white especially male students unless they show extraordinary talent This is simply not true. >>58245 >I am talking about more upper ranking (top 500 world ranking) universities. which tend to have more rich white students than humdrum state universities/city college. Reason for this is that rich white (and asian, and rich black but there are relatively few of those in the US) parents have the resources and drive to get their kids in. Poor white and black parents are apathetic or antagonistic to college, middle class whites and hispanics and poor (brown) hispanics just want their kid to get a degree and maneuver into a middle-class job so they can buy a house and raise a family. So yeah they will show preferential treatment to (certain) minorities but there still is a bar that they have to get past. No university wants to give a full ride to some black kid who fails out and dies of a drug overdose, they want to be able to stamp "HARVARD" on the stunning and brave black trans woman who disrupted academia, and there aren't very many of those compared to the sea of white and asian kids whose parents pushed them hard and maybe bribed a few bureaucrats.

dont know if its regional but i got told by retiring university employees that they got paid more when they started on entry than what new employees get now. So you prolly dont want to be one anyway.

>>58247 There are tons of German, European and Asian universities in the top 500 that only accept undergraduates based on a ranking of either high school grade, entrance exams or are so hard they accept anyone but only graduate a handful. Graduate school and PhDs usually have an open door policy. The reason they have a lot of minority students is that they drain above average students from all around the third world.

Social networking will be your best friend. Most people in the upper-class business management world got there through connections or dynasty. Unless you're a buffet or a zuckerberg, you're not likely to make it in through a "grindset" or sheer hard work alone. I also think your goal is a little misguided, the upper-class business management world is somehow sterile, hedonistic, suffocating, and depressing all at the same time. (I have experience in this sector). If you want to be making 100k a year and consider yourself to be a resourceful, hardworking, and enterprising guy, consider PR or advertising, consider investing time into your social skills and creativity. They pay well, and don't carry the same problems that business management does. >>58245 >ZOG agenda Must discussion on /hum/ always devolve onto this? Go the fuarrrk back to where you came from.

>>58255 No the MAIN reason they have a lot of minority students is because they have an objective, biased admission that specifically discriminates whites.

>>58257 The germans specificly ban foreigners from filling more than 7% of the admissions.

>>58257 actually if you look at the stats affirmative action mainly helps white women

>>58261 fake, in first place germans give german nationality to immigrants and count them german. Native germans are a minority group by now.

>>58263 Germans are a minority in Germany t. Nazi LARP user that has never touched grass

>>58298 >he said bad thing i dont lik >nazi r333333 trained idiot response, the german gov said it itself as seen in pic related, natives only 1/3 of pop. And the smarter people already bailed again out of your failing state cause the second gau indicated by the graph is the large aging population hitting retirement with no kids to support them. Last one to leave the boat gets to sink with it.

>>58300 you idiot don't even know how to read that diagram look again

>>58301 mirror : blue is native, red is immigrant, black total, the old people are mostly native but there are no german kids, in the youth group 2/3 is immigrant kids. The very reason your country advertises for immigration is cause they have no young people to replace your retiring 40-50 bracket cause evidently your old gen dint get kids. So either they ship in enough young people to replace the missing youth or you simply wont have anyone left working to finance the pensioners. And this is the result: most of the youth now is imported. You are the minority.

>>58301 Correct. THIS is how you read it.

>>58302 The only reason this is a problem is because they put women into offices and PhD degrees, raised prices and nobody can afford children as well as anti-children propaganda. Then finally, the retirement home structure and nucleation of humans is what caused the need for "professional caretakers". Normally the family should take care of their old. Note that this was all a top down force progress. After WWII and absolute carpet bombing of Germany, the Allied occupiers(today became NATO) manufactured both this problem(low birthrate, destroyed social fabric and support network of old people) and then the solution(import useless low IQ migrants to do manual labour like filling shelfs). The solution however is not even a solution, as these migrants provide nothing most of the time apart from crime, unemployment, or at best kebab joints and call center workers. Anyway you think economy and superficial things should only be solved by genocide of a nation due to minor but fixable inconveniences? fuarrrk off, for real.

>>58298 >Germans are a minority in Germany God I wished

>>58364 Question: why? Why is it so important that the people who gave us the moon landing become a minority in their own country?

>>58302 >>58303 if you idiots used your brain for a second you'd understand that the graphs are layered on top of eachother, which means for males >400k total >220k germans >180k germans with "migrant background" migrant background is defined as one parent having been born without german citizenship, most of whom are european https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany#Ethnic_minorities_and_migrant_background_(Migrationshintergrund)

>>58379 "European" lmao. Such as in actual sub-saharan refugees crossing over from France

german+{french,polish,british,italian,whathaveyou} racemixing is still racemixing. Whatever the precise origin of this migrant influx it is still a significant change to the stock of the country.

none of this german migrant soykaf has anything to do with the thread topic of getting an upper class management job.

>>58385 It kind of does because the upper class management world it is today entirely politicized . The corporate world has merged with the Regime via "corporate social responsibility" so OP can expect strings attached depending on the field he joins. Tech, marketing and politics, are fields where this Soft-Warfare is really brutal and permeating. OP mentions Fortune 500 which is pretty much GUARANTEED to have diversity and inclusion terms of service, and very directly funded by upper level globalist Funds.

>>58369 Because I can't understand why Germany even exist as a country. Personally I think you shouldn't exist as a nation after what you've done in IIWW (Pole here) but fortunately Allies wouldn't stoop to your level to try to completely destroy you.

>>58386 Yeah sure, you don't succeed in life because they discriminate you, because you are too good, not because you are incompetent. It's cool if believing in it helps you cope.

>>58394 I think this graphic would add important content to this post.

>>58395 observe the specimens screech, its triggered

>>58395 Who said I don't succeed in life, scrub

>>58399 you sound like you succeed