Covid Disccussions Thread 7.0

Old thread reached bump limit >>50691 https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/covid.html Public statements, paper trails, and more show Fauci, Gates, Schwab, and Dasik responsible for global pandemic. World ID has been announced, tied to blood test, Proof of Vaccination, Bank Account, and Carbon Tax. Expected Rollout: September 2022. The mRNA Technology has killed large amounts of the general population, and now they're giving it to kids. Australia is in Open Revolution, Austria has Lockdown III (or is it IV), with other European Countries forcing people to stay in their homes. Variants continue to arise, due to the so-called "vaccination". Videos circulate of Vaccination Strike Forces in Eastern Europe A Civil War is brewing in the United States. Phizer succeeds in petition to not disclose Vaccine Data for 30 years.

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>>53402 Are mp4 uploads disabled? https://peervideo.club/w/1S9Z4iqaksv6uWMrW6a5zr

In July, US Gov ordered doses of Smallpox Vaccine. In early November, Bill Gates says Smallpox may be bioweapon to look out for. Three days after Bill Gates announcement, vials found labled "Small Pox" and "Vaccinia" are found outside research lab not authorized to have such things. Latest news is CDC claiming vials labled Small Pox did not contain the deadly virus, but rather "vaccinia" in all: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/us/smallpox-vials-pennsylvania.html

There never has and unlikely ever will be a case of a vaccine killing more percentage people exposed than the virus they are aimed at. You need to rethink your sources.

>>53405 The covid disinfo thread exists for entertainment purposes only, and its highly humoristic content should be interpreted as a parody.

>BELIEVE IN SCIENCE!!!1!! Fiest of all, science is all about not trusting anything. Peer review, multiple stages of testings and long term and short term studies that are multi-variable. Science is opposite of belief This vaccine it is not. Second of all, do people just regurtitate what they hear on TV these days? Could you not realize that these special interest groups and think thanks all push for this phare to be repeated? And third, will you ever hear about these counter studies and research that proves otherwise? No, unless someone like me doesn't shove it right in your face. And even if you look at it you won't change your mind. You are thoroughly demoralized

>>53411 (This is my first reply here, I'm not anyone above) >And third, will you ever hear about these counter studies and research that proves otherwise? No Yes. We hear about them. But when 99 peer-reviewed studies say one thing and 3 others are saying another thing... I tend to believe the 99. >Could you not realize that these special interest groups and think thanks all push for this phare to be repeated? We do realize lol. Do you think you're a genius? (And think tanks =/= crazy conspiracy cults, they can do/say good things) I mean, OP, just look how dumb is the 3th picture you just uploaded; "dur dur 99% survival rate", It would be fine if we were talking about lifestock but you're talking about humans here lol. 1% is a lot for a sickness that viral. Just lost a colleague cause of covid. fuarrrk people like you. But don't care now, I'm vaxxed, stay mad on the internetz kiddo.

>>53411 >Science is opposite of belief No, that would be called skepticism. Science actually requires a high degree of belief in certain philosophical assumptions. >Second of all, do people just regurtitate what they hear on TV these days? Yes. >And third, will you ever hear about these counter studies and research that proves otherwise? No, unless someone like me doesn't shove it right in your face. I also won't hear about "proof" the Earth is flat unless someone shoves it in my face. Not to say that this research (which you haven't linked) is absolute rubbish; I think there is good reason to be skeptical of the mainstream consensus when it comes to covid(namely, at this point, "everyone needs to be vaccinated" and "everyone needs to get a booster shot" are both just not supported by the evidence). But the fact that someone's opinion isn't mainstream does not make it more credible. Sort of an inverse to the appeal-to-authority fallacy. I hate hate hate that a public health emergency is now a political topic. I hate that if you take a measured approach and use your critical thinking skills, you'll get shouted down by dipshits on both sides. I hate how people seem to be willing to contradict their supposed principles if it means "winning".

>>53413 Your superior wants to talk to you because you're glowing too obviously.

>>53415 >oh yeaah... well... uh... youre a cia agent! what do you mean im stupid and should take my meds? thats exactly what a glowie would say! now let me bigbrainpill you about the jewish earthquake machine.

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1462740215571918849

>>53413 You know, completeley irrespective of any positives or negatives of vaccinations, it's wrong to force someone to take it. Even if it flat out extended your life for 10 years with no risk, it would still be wrong to force anyone to take it. All of yuropoor continent is scrambling to make vaccines compulsory for absolutely everyone, except for, surprisingly, the brits. This I cannot accept and I can say, our civilized western countries are going to keep destabilizing because of this wedge that is the vaccine driven into society. Again, completely irrespective of what the vaccine actually does, people are choosing one of two sides and fighting each other all the time now. This just cannot be right. Can't wait for some retarded populist leader to take the crown after people have been driven into a corner this hard. >Just lost a colleague cause of covid I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. Hopefully not too insensitive of a question, was he vaccinated?

>>53403 I hope you realize this was satire. Even though it was very apt satire. To contribute something to the thread myself, I recommend taking a look at John Campbell's professional outlook on Ivermectin use in India: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc As anyone might have noticed, India is not constantly in the news for it's covid patients dying on the streets anymore. They follow a very interesting strategy. I'm saying we should just give Ivermectin to each and everyone, but there should be sensible attempts to make use of it. The sole existence of Ivermectin and its promise to help, with so many countries just flat out refusing to experimenting with it, in my view, shows that simply saying "the vaccine is the only way" is a lazy argument at best. I don't even want to consider what forces have lead to the vaccines being praised as the literal only way to exit the pandemic, but I don't need to know that to reject this notion.

>>53421 >Ivermectin surely you meant to type hydroxychloroquine... remember hydroxychloroquine? >"the vaccine is the only way" is a lazy argument at best no one is saying that, the vaccine is merely the best, least retarded way to fight the virus. much like how we fight measles with vaccines and not "magic crystals in vodka". notice how no one on the planet is arguing we shouldnt use pfizer's antiviral covid pill, because it actually works and isnt bullshit.

>>53425 most of the reason those home remedies are stupid is that the people using them are stupid and take way too much and kill themselves. Ivermectin can be used as an antiviral medication for other virii (although not of the same type as SARS-nCov-2), it's not like people are taking straight snake oil.

>>53420 >You know, completeley irrespective of any positives or negatives of vaccinations, it's wrong to force someone to take it I have to completely agree. I do however think most of the people refusing to take the vaccine are being stupid and selfish. >Can't wait for some retarded populist leader to take the crown after people have been driven into a corner this hard. Yeah it's not hard to feel that there might be another world war sometime soon. It'll be great, dealing with all the effects of climate change and pollution while simultaneously dealing with the aftermath of a global war.

My country is about to vote on bullshit nazi laws for "covid", i dont know what its really about, but i guess it means my family will not be able to buy food anymore, which is about the last place you can enter without a vax certificate. There seems to be enormous restistance to it, but i think the globalists will squeeze the people to fit into their scheme, as they usually do. If they come to my house we will fight to the death with whatever we have, altough i guess its more likely at this point they will try to starve us out. You can hear people, even small children cough real bad, didnt hear that before, only among chronic smokers and oddly enough my friends who didnt get the shot are now the healthy ones while everyone else is coughing their lungs out it seems. I also want to point out the punks completely sold out, i saw some stickers who actually are for this new covid law, they advocate for it "return to normality". Seriously this is about the lowest of the low, how the fuarrrk can people who are supposedly against the system advocate for nazi tier police measures and pumping money up big corps and supporting an economy that soley benefits the elites. Anarchy by asslicking, i even in one of my thought drifting thought of a nice song about them, but too bad i couldnt memorize it. Ive also seen people write stuff like "radical leftism is mass murder", which is obviously true, the amount of globalist hivemind control is off the scale here. Also at everyone throwing "data" out there, come on youre all full of soykaf, every data is skewed, manipulated or just plain divorced from reality. Even if it werent, the media and the people would just take whatever they want to believe and interpret it in any form or way they want, i mean look the fuarrrk around. Whats even more relevant is that no data or disease can ever justify support of such measures. Even more so important is that the pandemic is caused by our sick way of living, but nobody wants to acknowledge that, the whole covid situation is nothing compared to the mess that was right in front of our eyes all this time, yet people more than ever support a system that makes everything on this world sick, yet with all this going on they can still ignore the root cause of this and 1000 other things. If most had rational faculties left, even then most would remain dishonest, there is no rationally derived solution to this because no amount of data will ever give a conclusion to a problem so deeply rooted. There is no getting out of this, there will be war, disease and famine, millions even billions will die, civilization will come to a grinding halt with all its ideas and values shattered like glass. There is nothing anyone can do about it because everyone keeps going, people have gone so far that they are incapable of going in any other direction the proof of this is this situation in itself.

>>53428 >Also at everyone throwing "data" out there, come on youre all full of soykaf, every data is skewed, manipulated or just plain divorced from reality. I disagree. I personally know some people who work on epidemiological models IRL, they're hard core statisticians and they know what they're doing. The thing is that policy and especially public opinion don't follow data, even when the data is used as a justification it's always post-hoc. 99% of people don't ever really look at the data themselves -- even data that supports their position -- and just get an interpretation from the "news". >Whats even more relevant is that no data or disease can ever justify support of such measures. Couldn't agree more. >there is no rationally derived solution to this because no amount of data will ever give a conclusion to a problem so deeply rooted. well yes, data needs to be interpreted. Usually it gets interpreted in terms of the ideology of the beholder. The worst part of it is that that maxim applies to both you and me.

>>53413 >But when 99 peer-reviewed studies say one thing and 3 others are saying another thing... I tend to believe the 99. Admit you are lying you son of a bitch. There weren't 102 peer reviewed studies before these vaccines were rolled out. You just pulled out that number out of your ass. >Do you think you're a genius? I think I am smarter than YOU for questioning why someone would preformulate talking points on a political level for this debate. >"dur dur 99% survival rate", It would be fine if we were talking about lifestock but you're talking about humans here lol. "Lol" to your argument indeed, there are diseases with higher amount of deaths per year than corona yet we don't care about those. Your fear mongering about mundane virus only fuels the push for authoritarian states to excercise their power. And your hypocrisy is blatant, "lol". To think I am OP only proves me you are a biased idiot who doesn't care about truth and ignores other images and proof. >Just lost a colleague cause of covid. fuarrrk people like you. So you blame others around you instead of powers that be that force us to do something? Huh interesting >But don't care now, I'm vaxxed, stay mad on the internetz kiddo. You don't care so much that you decided to write a whole paragraph about how much you don't care. What if I told you I faked my covid vaccine card, would you care then? Would you "get mad on internet" then? Lmao you pompous freak

>>53425 >surely you meant to type hydroxychloroquine I have no sympathies with this response. I'm not even american, but you already assume I'm a follower of trump. I'm not sure whether he ever mentioned ivermectin, but the hydroxychloroquine business was in the media enough to make it really obvious that you are just brewing soykaf. My post was referring specifically to the discussion about ivermectin use in india and the rest of the kits positively tested people get over there. From where I stand, vaccination has proven to decrease risk of hospitalization and death. As such, we should make good use of it particularly in high risk age groups and people with comorbidities known to increase risk. But we, for gods sake, shouldn't force everyone to take it. We shouldn't demonize people for not taking it. We should especially leave kids with their parents deciding what would be best. >no one is saying that In my country, it is literally the argument constantly brought up. All kinds of officials are saying that. Of course the neighbouring countries are doing the same. "There is no other way." That's why we are in the process of implementing compulsory vaccination for everyone.

>>53414 >Science actually requires a high degree of belief in certain philosophical assumptions. My point was in fact that science itself requires no belief in fact it demands skepticism. Pic related. >a lot of talking in circle and saying very little Worthless because you chose weasel words to not address the opinions directly but still slandered my research without digging into it. "Smart". >Sort of an inverse to the appeal-to-authority fallacy. You"re thinking of inverse of argumentum ad populum. > I hate hate hate that a public health emergency is now a political topic If you make it a political topic then it will be a political topic. >I hate that if you take a measured approach and use your critical thinking skills, you'll get shouted down by dipshits on both sides. I mean exactly, look how you compared me to flat earthers and said my research is bullshit without even batting an eye. >I hate how people seem to be willing to contradict their supposed principles if it means "winning". Kudos zo that ironical statement my friend Aside to your pompous wrongful fallacy naming, talking in circles about not directly soykafting on me or my research and wrapping it all in few of generic phrases that everyone could agree with just so you would think someone agrees with you.... I mean the idiotic picture that you posted alongside your post gave me enough of a clue of what I might be getting into, but it was fun nonetheless

>>53418 The most alarming post ITT has no replies, divide and conquer

>>53433 >my research you've just posted some propaganda JPEGs and linked some news articles. >If you make it a political topic then it will be a political topic. *I* made it a political topic? >I mean exactly, look how you compared me to flat earthers and said my research is bullshit without even batting an eye. I literally said in the next sentence that your research, should it exist, is not necessarily bullshit. Although you haven't actually posted any research so I can't judge it. From the way you immediately attack anyone who does not wholeheartedly agree with you, and attribute to them stances which are completely unsupported by your post, you appear to not actually be looking for anything resembling debate. You want a flamewar. Seems to be the only thing most people in these threads are after to be honest. Don't know why I bother engaging people who clearly aren't interested in anything but their echo chamber.

>>53435 >you've just posted some propaganda And you just posted some weasel words in trying to slander me and my opinion Aside from wrongfully naming a fallacy and trying to look smart >From the way you immediately attack anyone who does not wholeheartedly agree with you I "attack" only pompous dipshits that use naming of fallacies wrongly to sound smart and try to say that the pics I posted are akin to flat earter propaganda. Do you feel attacked, dipshit? >Don't know why I bother engaging people who clearly aren't interested in anything but their echo chamber. Yea, maybe if you keep naming of fallacies and trying to soykaf on other people but using "BUT"s a lot then nobody will bat an eye. Oh woe is you for trying to appear above it all and shed your wisdom on this thread. Piss off, reality is that you're a pompous dweeb that has nothing factual to say, doesn't care enough to get into the numbers and arguments but just pissess his grace upon the people from "above it all". Go wrongfully name off more fallacies, then people will think you're smart. I don't want a flamewar but dipshits like you get on my nerves

>>53418 >>53434 I can't find any source for this despite it apparently being apparently a mainstream news broadcast, and the guys lips don't match the words he's saying(hard to tell with compression though). So I'm guessing it's fake. >>53436 ook ook!

>>53437 2 minutes into trying to search it, 4 comments of insider trading in and you think I believe you that you tried to look it up? Lol, you're not worth my time to link these posts for you to research them kid

>>53438 I did. I found numerous news articles like these ones, all of which source that tweet. Anyone with access to duckduckgo.com can do the same.

>>53439 https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/australian-army-begins-transferring-covid-positive-cases-contacts-quarantine-camps https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/11/22/breaking-news-nov-22-2021-the-army-is-now-transferring-positive-covid-cases-and-contacts-in-the-northern-territories-to-quarantine-camps/ https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/11/22/australian-army-begins-transferring-covid-positive-cases-contacts-to-quarantine-camps/ also lots of these are copied word-for-word from the zerohedge article.

>>53440 so, this facebook post from the guy himself that's in these articles isn't a proof itself? https://www.facebook.com/TerritoryChief/posts/435285761296933

Y'all can say what you want, but this is the Deus ex timeline. The virus is definitely engineered, and the vaccines are definitely working. But who's stopping them from making other variants? And where the hell is the NSF?!

dont mind me just posting this here

just gonna post this here

i cannot post my opinion on the topic as it will get censored like in every other corner of the internet thus i will just remind you that jesus shall smite down the nations in his second coming and why let son of god do all the hard work again all alone?

>>53405 >>53432 >, vaccination has proven to decrease risk of hospitalization and death. >>53445 >and the vaccines are definitely working. I'm not quite so sure... SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro >https://dx.doi.org/10.3390%2Fv13102056 Rogue (auto)antibodies could be driving severe COVID-19 >https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-021-00149-1 In fatal COVID-19, the immune response can control the virus but kill the patient >https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2021128117

>>53442 I couldn't read that post yesterday, I'm guessing it just became public. I still can't find a source for the video though... Is it just that Facebook post rubbed over something else? Why is a public announcement only available on Facebook?

>>53456 In any case, aside from weirdness in the video, I guess this is in fact real. fuarrrk Australia.

>>53416 what earthquake machine?

Where can you even get Ivermectin?

>>53454 hey lainon, do you (in fact, does anyone here)have study materials for understanding the science behind those papers? I don't study biology, and it'd another 3 years for me to change over to biology, so i can't really study the subject. Still, i'd really like to understand the subject matter more. I'm not asking to be spoonfed, just some pointers in the right directions, maybe a good author, or some literature you can recommend on the subject. Thanks in advance

>>53460 A pet store for ivermectin. Also get some vitamine d and zinc supplements, and take these daily. it will help you.

>>53421 I did not know the video was satire, I do not speak Russian. Are you certain that it is satire?

Dr. Lee Merrit's site: http://themedicalrebel.com

I attempted to upload PDFs but it failed. Original post follows: Just a reminder they did this before. Dr Mercola, outspoken against the Plandemic, wrote this book in 2006 http://www.greatbirdfluhoax.com/ And for the new users behind the news, here's a link to the SPARS Pandemic Senario, which is a wargame on controlling information in response to a fictional SPARS outbreak (conducted 2017, takes place 2025-2028) https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html Once more (linked in OP site) Project Defuse, a proposal by Peter Dasik to DARPA (which DARPA rejected) to release a lab-made chirmric coronavirus into the open-air in Yuhann Province, China. https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-documents/ Operation Dark Winter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dark_Winter https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events-archive/2001_dark-winter/about.html Operation Lockstep: https://thecollapseexperiment.com/2021/09/30/operation-lockstep-full-document-here/

https://www.academia.edu/35846430/The_Fourth_Industrial_Revolution_Klaus_Schwab http://reparti.free.fr/schwab2020.pdf https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=8rAiTDQ-NVY https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=hRPQqfwwuhU https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=VHRkkeecg7c https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=uPYx12xJFUQ https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64

https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845-1/universal-flu-vaccine In this conference, disccusion is held on the need to "Blow the system up" in order to bypass regulatory control and "make influenza sexy" to get an mRNA technology vaccine released faster. The "aura of excitment" is prophecised to be a novel avian flu outbreak in a province of china. Date, October 29, 2019.

http://endchan. net/ pol/res/79042.html#79042 Share this video across social media with throwaway accounts. They will ban you. Keep coming back. Thanks to the anon who posted this in the COVID-19 thread. Now is the perfect time to make people realize this information. The Corona virus isn't the Black Plague. Those with weak immune systems have been dying. What is causing the chaos, lack of supplies and hoarding is fear mongering by jewish media. It's important to bring realization of this and that jews own the media. -BO. The article begins here: ---------------------------------------------------- According to the Jerusalem Post, a Jewish Israeli newspaper, scientists in “Israel” are weeks away from developing a vaccine for the novel coronavirus. The Israeli behavior as it pertains to coronavirus has already been as suspicious as it gets, as AIPAC, a front for “Israel”, has covered up the coronavirus cases there and who had contact with the infected attendees. The Jerusalem Post reported that the “Israeli” Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis said that “Israel” could have a coronavirus vaccine tested in a couple weeks and available in only 90 days. The Galilee Research Institute (MIGAL) has been working on a coronavirus vaccine BEFORE the coronavirus pandemic. Dr. Chen Katz MIGAL’s biotechnology group leader made an eye opening statement on this fact that they were developing a coronavirus vaccine BEFORE the pandemic. “Let’s call it pure luck,” he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology. Benjamin Netanyahu famously said that Israel’s relationship with China is a marriage made in heaven, “Israel” gives China control of major ports such as the one in Haifa. “Israel”-China keep getting closer on the field of technology, and when Trump talks about intellectual property theft by China, it is usually done through “Israel”. You won’t see China’s liar Zhao Lijin say anything about these admissions of “Israel” preparing a vaccine for the coronavirus before the pandemic, because they are two good friends and China has gotten a lot from “Israel”. -Andrew from Praecursator 007 reported https://praecursator007.co.uk/israeli-media-reports-israeli-scientists-were-developing-coronavirus-vaccine-before-coronavirus-pandemic/ http://archive.is/2ilxj

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/corona.html

Covidland: Episode 1: The Lockdown Alex Jones narrator, infowars-sponsored film The first in a 5 part Documentary series, this one is a time-capsule showing the outbreak, the lockdown, and the response. https://peervideo.club/w/fAds2Xo77SGAVBxuDNEEwq

Agenda 21: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 Agenda 2030: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/21252030%20Agenda%20for%20Sustainable%20Development%20web.pdf Build Back Better is a G7 Plan, not a US or Brit plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better_World Greg Rese Report: Timeline of Smallpox False Flag: https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=619bd113a59e0c5e2327f54c Spartacus Letter: https://principia-scientific.com/here-is-the-spartacus-covid-letter-thats-gone-viral/

>>53475 Davos Group releases video to little fanfare on World ID expected by September 2022 https://peervideo.club/w/tEsbQ1bzZZFFLgGXf6P9Xx

>>53420 >You know, completeley irrespective of any positives or negatives of vaccinations, it's wrong to force someone to take it. Even if it flat out extended your life for 10 years with no risk, it would still be wrong to force anyone to take it. Yeah we should not force vaccinations. But we should force unvaccinated people to stay at home or let them go in public spaces ONLY if they have a negative nose/mouth/blood test, every 3 days. I mean, we derezzed tabacco in public spaces to protect others, nobody was in the street to protest against that.. but somehow, antivaxx pretend it's different and they don't put anyone in danger... But in real life, it DOES kill others. My colleague was overweight and had a lot of health issues before covid. He wasn't able to get the vaccin because of his already soykafty health. He died of Covid because he had to work to pay his bills and his job required him to be close to other people. One of them, unvaxxed, had covid. He passed it to my colleague (and others), who died, leaving behind his 18 or 19yo son. Meanwhile I'm vaxxed but I quit as soon as covid hit my country because I have enough money to stay at home a bit. I feel fuarrrking awful for my colleague and even more awful for his son. Seriously I don't even feel bad anymore when antivaxx die of Covid. But it breaks my heart that they keep putting others in danger (people who can't get vaxxed, vaxxed but with soykafty immune system, etc). Meanwhile, people on the Internet pretend all of this is fake news conspiracy... idk my colleague was pretty real to me, his death too.

>>53477 The vaccination is death. Do not get the jab of death. Your collegue (assuming they are real) died due to being denied treatment, and probably not taking care of himself. Covid-19 is entierly treatable. Your reddit-spacing, your low-IQ arguments, and your talking-points indiate you are probably not truthful in your post. It is well-known that people are paid to wage slave the vaccine, though I am supprised that they came here. If you are legitimate, get out of your head immediately the lie that vaccination is the only solution. Get out of your head that anyone has the right to forcibly segregate these people. Get out of your head that the vaccination does anything. The vaccination does not prevent transmission or infectability or anything else. You will become ill and die from the injection they call a vacciation. But of course, you don't care. You're only posting things you're paid to say. >Meanwhile, people on the Internet pretend all of this is fake news conspiracy... That's such a loaded strawman statement. >idk my colleague was pretty real to me, his death too. I sincerely doubt it, but if it is true you need to blame the fact that treatment was denied to him.

>>53478 >>53477 Also, PCR tests are entierly unreliable https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

>>53479 Meant to link full article here https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

>>53478 Ok, now you're just assuming stuff and being mad. My colleague died, it's the truth, learned about it from my dad yesterday. But none of what I say will make you rethink your based ideas so.. goodbye. Sage this soykaf. OP don't even want to debate, he's only there to "covidpill" you or some soykaf while pretending he did his research (aka linking articles from weird websites and not even once a link to a study using Sci-hub) Don't waste your time here.

>>53482 Goodbye, angry sperg

>>53482 >But none of what I say will make you rethink your based ideas You are like that. Read >>53454

Lmao this thread is full of random links OP found on facebook boo-mers groups. "Oh look, I found 3 studies saying I'm right ! Let's ignore the 232 others saying I'm wrong"

>>53485 I'm the majority poster in this thread. I have not used facebook since 2014. You haven't read anything I've posted, and are just shouting into the void. I assume you're the same weirdo from before who seemed to think a chan thread is a form of IM. Your post contributes nothing to the thread whatsoever.

>>53414 You misunderstand the scientific method. The reason why peer review and replication is required in science is because it does not seek to prove anything as fact, only show replicability and always seeking to disprove things over time. There is no belief here, except for maybe mathematical axioms like 1+1. And if there are some muddied vested interests there, the peer review system guarantees that a handful of dissenters cannot overwhelm 99% of the scientific community. It's like climate change, you have a handful of "papers" saying it doesn't exist but 99% of the literature says it does. IT'S A CONSPIRACY. Nope it's science. The computer you're using to argue with lainions online. That's due to this methodology of no faith and experimentation and trial-and-error. All modern life improvements is due to the scientific method. I trust it more than gut feelings, opinions, conspiracies, etc.

>>53454 Literally none of the things you linked have anything to do with vaccines, they are about auto immune response in people with severe syptomatic covid, the third paper uses data gathered in the early stages of the pandemic, the 2nd is an article published in January before mass vaccination really got going and the 1st is just about the effects of the virus Literally none of these have anything to do with Vaccination and two of them predate the roll out of large scale vaccination, but that doesn't matter to fuarrrking idiots like yourself

>>53488 The central compound which the mRNA produces in your body is a synthetic form of the Covid-19 Spike Protien. His first article is regarding DNA damage from the spike in the Coronavirus. The second is regarding roughe antibodies, which is a result of the body attacking the spike protien. The third concerns itself with immune response following a fatal Covid-19 infection. His articles have everything to do with it.

If you're reading this and really believe any of this stuff, please, please understand this one key point When you asphyxiate on 60l 100% Oxygen after getting the fake virus I feel nothing but joy that I can get an actual patient in and put another subhuman in a bag >t.Healthworker

>>53485 Can you link other 232 ones or did you pull that number out of your ass?

>>53488 >Realize he's the only one still on this thread >Doesn't realize everyone left this thread because OP can't debate and is already based >Assume everyone come from Reddit because he discovered Chans in 2012 pic related

>>53490 When your oxygen goes down, the proper and immediate response is to be given an areolized steroid (such as Budesonide) which is one of the treatments being denied to many people. Instead, people who don't need it are being intubated in grotesque malpractice which is leading to their death (murder). Also, I sincerely doubt you're a healthworker.

>>53488 get your head out of your 4ss, and read the actual paper, instead of just glancing over the title and the abstraction. also, i renew my request towards all lainons ITT: please provide some pointers towards literature for educating oneself about the science behind the topics being discussed here. I am not a biology student, and i cannot get into it for a while, so i am basically clueless as for the intricacies of the subject.

>>53492 Oh yea, just ignore all the conflicts of interests and the Pharmacutical Industrial Complex giving bonuses to doctors to give medicine. Ignore the fact that disident doctors are at risk to get their license revoked. Ignore the fact that all scientific discorse related to Covid-19 has been replaced with IFLS!!!!-tier buzzwords. Ignore the fact that CDC protocols in hospitals are leading to mass death. Ignoreeverything that is truth and fall for the false-authority of a "Doctor" who perscribed you Lipitor because a woman at a conference winked at him, or gave you Seroquil telling you it was a sleeping pill.

>>53495 https://www.govinfo.gov/link/plaw/116/public/136?link-type=html This bill, the CARES Act of 2020, established funding for hospitals based on established quotas.

>>53495 You know you can change Doctor if yours is crazy. Mental health issues touch everybody no matter their job. Maybe American doctors are most likely to be crazy or have to accept every bride in order to make a descent living, I don't know, but in my country it's not the case (and it's illegal here for pharma companies to offer money to doctors to promote their pills, we don't have any opiate problem for exemple, unlike americans). But all I can see is hundreds of studies proving the vaxx works. Not 100% but at least less people die or get infected by COVID. Hundreds from different sources and countries. If big pharma was behind a crazy conspiracy trying to sell fake vaccines, at least one proof will be available by now considering how many people would be involved. They don't have to prove COVID is bad, some of us lost family members to this. If I have to take 2 more vaccines to protect my grandma, so be it. Pretending it's all fake alone behind your computer won't make it true.

>he is unironically arguing w soychan jew totalitarian chemistry worshiping cattle axxaaxxaax jesus christ what a pathetic state

>>53492 >thibks OP is the only person posting ITT >thinks he will get a rise from OP by projecting and soykafting up Lol okay

Seems like the glowing covid shilies have found lainchan. You can spot them easily if you master the craft. Look out for strawman arguments, insults and attempts at leading the discussion away from real topics, trying to provoke conflicts rather than discussion. Ignore them or laugh at them when you spot them.

>>53477 >Yeah we should not force vaccinations. ok >But we should force unvaccinated people to stay at home or let them go in public spaces ONLY if they have a negative nose/mouth/blood test, every 3 days. But vaccines do not stop transmission (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html) also according to your soykaf opinion your colleague would also be forced to stay at home as he would also transmit the virus to other people so leting him not work and die of starvation is a good thing in your opinion? >antivaxx pretend it's different and they don't put anyone in danger... Shit argument..Nigga you take risks every time you leave your house,when you drive, walk etc you can never eleminate the risk of a car accident or any other unwanted outcome to 0% and a forced medical procedure is not the same as not smoking in public or seatbelts or helmets.Those mandatorty restrictions or safety equipments do have limitations & they do not cause other medical problems like the vaccines do, You can sue a manufacturer for defective mandatory safety equipments but not vaccine manufacturers You have access to all of the data for the safety trials,manufacuring process,components & ingredients but not for vaccines (PATENT PROTECTION) You usually do not have conflicts of interest between regulators mandating safety equipments & equipments manufacturers but vaccine industry has many You can openly discuss any defects in mandatory safety equipment on any social media platform but all discourse regarding vaccine safety or efficacy is heavily censored & controlled. The risks & death related to second hand smoke or a car accident are far larger than COVID-19 ,(recovery rate is 99.75%) You put the the public in greater danger when you drive a car than spreading the common cold (oh wait! the common cold seems to have been eleminated from the world since 2020. What Happened to Flu Season? How many people died from the flu??????? ) Also most countries do not have a Vaccine Injury Compensation or Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System like in western countries so Seriously (you) == don't even feel bad anymore when poor people die of Vaccine side effects? == You want them to lockdown the poor & working class because they are concerned about Vaccine side effects ? > I don't even feel bad anymore when antivaxx die of Covid. But it breaks my heart Yes! Heart breaks are a common side effect of getting an Experimental Gene Therapy. >BUT muh.......... people who can't get vaxxed, vaxxed but with soykafty immune system, etc NIGGER!.... vaccinated people also transmit the virus according to the mother fuarrrking CDC.

as time passes more conspiracies become a reality. I wonder if we are at the point of no return or if there is any way of living free ever again.

>>53508 Oh hey OP, still spamming your own thread I see :) >Stonetoss comic >"your soykaf opinion" lulz >But vaccines do not stop transmission We know. But even just -50% of infection rate is still a good thing and can prevent many deaths. Maybe too hard to understand for a genius researcher like you. >Nigga you take risks every time you leave your house,when you drive, walk etc you can never eleminate the risk of a car accident or any other unwanted outcome to 0% "Nigga" You can't eliminate the risk.. but you can reduce it :) No one is saying the vaxx is 100% effective. I don't know what you're trying to prove here? >You usually do not have conflicts of interest between regulators mandating safety equipments & equipments manufacturers but vaccine industry has many The Pharma industry is a small world. Nothing surprising here, unless you want to see a conspiracy. >The risks & death related to second hand smoke or a car accident are far larger than COVID-19 ,(recovery rate is 99.75%) Yeah, that's why we have more covid deaths than second hand smoking deaths in just 2 years lulz. -Second hand smoking deaths (per year): 34,000 premature deaths 7,300 deaths from lung cancer 8,000 deaths from stroke 1,000 infant deaths = 50300 deaths/year -Covid Deaths in the US (for 2020) 2,834,038 deaths (based on death certificate data) Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex Anyway.. >You put the the public in greater danger when you drive a car than spreading the common cold (oh wait! the common cold seems to have been eleminated from the world since 2020. What Happened to Flu Season? How many people died from the flu??????? ) Nothing happened to the flu season, people still get it and still die from it, but way less than covid. Some people do get a flu vaccine each year so.. don't know what you're trying to say here too.. And for the car part, you're just a moron lmao. We did everything on cars to avoid killing people on impact. We stopped producing cars with hard front part like in the 80s and we stopped putting hood ornements to prevent deaths.. We did everything we could to avoid death while still allowing people to drive. It's the same soykaf with covid but you somehow refuse to see it; We can avoid deaths by giving a vaccine to people. But some morons still want to drive around like in the 80s with a big hood ornement :), normal people don't. >(you) == don't even feel bad anymore when poor people die of Vaccine side effects? == Lmao you know I was speaking about westerners, but play dumb if you want Typical >You want them to lockdown the poor & working class because they are concerned about Vaccine side effects ? hum, yeah? You ask the question as if you and me are above them lmao... I'm in the working class and took the vaxx I'm mostly poor too, I just had bitcoin money laying around and used it to quit my job and stay home when covid happened. Used to work in a factory by night lol. Oh, and the vaxx is free so again, don't know why you're talking about social classes. They are only against this vaccine because some internet randos spammed the fuarrrk out of every social media about how the vaccine was bad. Morons twisted the truth to gain more political followers lol (the right, unexpected lol). Less education = more likely to believe bullshit. >Yes! Heart breaks are a common side effect of getting an Experimental Gene Therapy. 0 side effects, not even a mild fewer after the second dose, but you can still write jokes on the Internet I guess :) >NIGGER!.... vaccinated people also transmit the virus according to the mother fuarrrking CDC. "NIGGER" Again, we know this. But it reduce the risk. Somehow reducing a risk is something to avoid in your opinion, I'm still trying to understand, little edgy man

>>53510 First pic is from 29 May 2020 during a George Floyd protest in Minnesota lulz try again

>>53512 yes and the second is a mask picture, which no one uses masks anymore. the pictures are a display of dystopia and now violence is not needed to be enforced anymore with the VAX CARDS , QR CODES , and medical apartheid being fully put in place

Let's watch vaccine non-believers try to explain this one. You can take your popcorn bucket out now

>>53514 >Let's watch vaccine non-believers try to explain this one. You can take your popcorn bucket out now

>>53515 You're right on this one, It's better to compare unvaxxed vs vaxxed Covid deaths in a single country. And the results are basically the same.

>>53499 The vaccine is not fake. The Vaccine is a novel technology which was a gamble that these people lost. The vaccine is an mRNA technology which uses the spike protien as the primary vector. To simplify all that is being suppressed about it: the new mRNA technology is causing cancer, and the spike protien it produces causes internal harm, and crosses the blood-brain barrier. The spike protien is a synththetic genome produced in-part by folding@home, and the spike protien has been found to be the most debilitating part of the virus (which was synthetically put on at the Wuhan Lab). So, you have these spike protiens flowing freely in your body (it is a lie to say it stays at the injection site) and then pass into the body. It enters the bloodstream causing micro-tears in the veins and arteries causing microscopic internal bleeding. The spike then loges itself into all major organs, including the brain. This is just the physical activity of the spike. The body then learns, via the synthetic spike, to attack similar protien structures found in the body. These include the Reprpoductive system. All women who get the injection will miscarry. Reports exist of periods in post-menopausal women. Men become sterile. It also begins to attack the heart and the kidneys, leading to mirocardydis and renal failure. Then, the body either enters one of two states: 1) The body enters an immune overdrive known as a Cytokine Storm which causes the body to become fully inflamed, and the immune system goes into overdrive eating itself, or 2) The body develops Antibody Dependency Enhancement (ADE) in which the immune system completely shuts off, resulting in a bodily dependency on the spike protien. Many, many, many more noted effects and illness. This is just the summary. ALL DOCTORS BEING CENSORED UNDER THREAT OF LOSING MEDICAL LICENSE SUPPORT DISSIDENT DOCTORS

>>53466 Yes. He makes other kinds of videos too: https://youtube.com/channel/UCxT6lMsQq4uC7yVfN6joLYA >>53477 >negative test I'm still sorry for your loss, but if anything everyone should be tested equally. It's not going to happen, because all these governments are in favor of treating vaccinated people like better kinds of humans. I think people are well beyond the point of it being a fake conspiracy. It's affected people's lives so much in so many kinds of ways that everyone has had to find a way to rationalize what is going on. But there has to be a point where people stop ignoring the age distribution, risk factors and typical comorbidities. The only thing I will ever be in favor of is giving people with a calculable risk that is high enough a strong suggestion to get the vaccine. Even then it would be simply immoral to force them, so it would only remain a strong suggestion. >Seriously I don't even feel bad anymore when antivaxx die of Covid I hope someday you'll realize that you've been riled up as part of some mob. Even people who acted more sensibly the entire time are growing tired and people are ever more in need of a solution we can implement, preferrably now. But vaccination is not the solution. It just won't end the pandemic, and at that point the goalpost has to be moved again. It is really sad in my view that you, presumably as a normal human being, have adopted a view where certain people deserve to die. Maybe you have heard of Sky King, someone who famously hijacked an empty plane and flew it around before killing himself. Even Sky King, should he have successfully landed, would have deserved a good life, even after causing all that damage. If you try to consider what is the ratio of unvaccinated people who sincerely want to kill others, you'll likely realize that people aren't out to actively kill others. It's simple, people just want to be left alone. Maybe almost impossible to think about, for someone who sees vaccination as the only way, but it's a mental model a lot of people have adopted. There is reason to believe that it's not necessarily a stupid nay-sayer thing to say that and more recent european measures like testing for the vaccinated reflect that. And maybe as a last point to drive home what living a free life really means: even if the vaccine was the only way out of this pandemic, it still wouldn't be right to force it upon everyone.

>>53517 How long does it take for the described effects to set in?

>>53519 Three phases: some immediate, within the first few weeks. The second tier is within 6 months. The third and final tier is indefinate, with long-term effects from the survivors still unknown. Long-term effects of the survivors will include Dementia due to the spike entering the Blood-Brain Barrier. The spike causes symptoms in the first two tiers with symptoms resembling mad-cow diseare more than dementia. After all, the spike divorced from the coronavirus is a piron, and your body produces these things in the millions with each inhjection (with possibility in some persons to continue the production well after 2 weeks).

>>53477 >>53478 jfc why is every covid thread 100% wageslaves?

>>53521 Also, note that Vaccine Shedding is /real/! The Spike Protien the mRNA technology produces in your body is communicable!

>>53521 So wait, the body starts self destructing in the first few weeks after the vaccination? After the first dose, or only after the second? How does this express itself? What are the symptoms of the cytokine storm specific to the covid spike protein? And wouldn't this also happen when someone contracts covid?

>>53525 If Covid is left untreated (which is happening), first the throat is infected, then the infection spreads to the lungs causing pneumonia. The spike in the coronavirus causes it to attach to the mucus membrane, which causes significantly more damage. This is not the spike divorced from the virus. (NOTE: It is alleged by some that the spike originates from the same spike as the HIV Retrovirus, which was spliced on in Wuhan Lab). If treated with an aerolized steroid (e.g. Budesinide) you are fine. If given large amounts of Zinc, and Ivermectin (which pushes the zinc into the cell) you are fine. If you treat yourself in any way, you are fine. This is the truth they don't want you to know. The body (in most) starts self-distructing in the first few weeks, but the 6 month period and long-term 3-5 year predicted period are of much more concern. Many are dying immediately after dose one or dose 2, but those people are the immediate casulties.

>>53526 The numbers are off too, because there are widespread reports showing that people are wrongfully being injected Saline. When I first saw this (in April) I read some of the Phizer docs showing that the vax is diluted onsite. It is possible this Saline injection is the result of mistrained nurses failing to give the proper vial, and instead giving the Saline solution packaged with it, but with the volume of some reports it may be dissident nurses (or control group experimentation). Also note that many celeberties who are alleged to have gotten the vax, on camera, are shown using prop needles. The most recent, and the most HD obvious example I've seen of that is the recent Marriah Carrey shot which had a prop needle. https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=yesEqB4ws70 https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=R71WgkEhmWU https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=yesEqB4ws70 https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=6JKCFbnTbLY

>>53527 Marriah Carry recieves "first vaccine shot" screenshots

>>53528 https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=aNLfX86U3Fk Before (sorry, meant to post first)

Currently in the Hot Sheets, trying to substaniate: https://truth11.com/2021/11/23/head-nurse-went-in-front-of-the-cameras-and-took-out-the-bottles-of-vaccines-she-showed-people-the-codes-on-the-bottles-each-labeled-1-2-or-3-and-then-explained-the-meaning-of-the-codes-number-1/ https://thesecondnews.com/vaccine-scandal-in-slovenia-bottles-have-code-s-for-placebo-vax-or-kill-shot/ https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/crisis-in-slovenia-whistleblower-nurse-says-politicians-receive-saline-instead-of-mrna-jab/ A crisis has hit the eastern European country of Slovenia, with a whistleblower nurse telling the public that politicians and other high ranking citizens receive saline instead of the mRNA experimental medication. In a video on Facebook, which has been deleted by YouTube, the woman claiming to be the head nurse of the University Medical Center in Ljubljana, which takes care of receiving and managing the jab bottles for politicians, resigned and gave a press conference on the scandal. uring the conference she showed codes on the bottles where each contains 1, 2 or 3 digits, and then explained the meaning of those numbers. Note: Daily Telegraph understands from our sources in Slovenia the original video has now been removed from Facebook. Number 1 is the placebo, saline. Number 2 is a the mRNA. The number 3 is an mRNA stick that contains the onco gene, linked to the adenovirus that contributes to the development of cancer. She said those receiving the number 3 bottle will develop soft tissue cancer within two years of receiving the jab. She says she personally witnessed the jab of all the politicians and tycoons and everyone who received the number 1 bottle, claiming they received the saline solution, a placebo. This explains why the same person administers the jab to politicians when they take pictures for the media. Yesterday a great scandal broke out in Slovenia, and today all of Slovenia is talking about vaccinations. The head nurse of the University Medical Center, a clinical center in Ljubljana, which deals with the reception of bottles and manages everything, gave up, went in front of the cameras and took out the bottles of vaccines. She showed people the codes on the bottles, each labeled 1, 2 or 3, and then explained the meaning of the codes. Number 1 is placebo, saline. Number 2 is the classic RNA bottle. Number 3 is the RNA stick containing the onc gene, related to adenovirus, which contributes to the development of cancer. The number 3 says that people who get them will have soft tissue cancer within 2 years. She says that she personally witnessed the vaccinations of all politicians and tycoons, and they all received preparation # 1. Wczoraj w Słowenii wybuchł wielki skandal, a dziś cała Słowenia mówi o szczepieniach. Naczelna pielęgniarka Uniwersyteckiego Centrum Medycznego, ośrodka klinicznego w Lublianie, która zajmuje się przyjmowaniem buteleczek i wszystkim zarządza, zrezygnowała, wyszła przed kamery i wyjęła buteleczki szczepionek. Pokazywała ludziom kody na buteleczkach, z których każda jest oznaczona nr 1, 2 lub 3, a następnie wyjaśniła znaczenie tych kodów. Numer 1 to placebo, sól fizjologiczna. Numer 2 to klasyczna butelka RNA. Numer 3 to pałeczka RNA zawierająca gen onc, powiązany z adenowirusem, który przyczynia się do rozwoju raka. Liczba 3 mówi, że osoby, które je otrzymały, w ciągu 2 lat, będą miały raka tkanek miękkich. Mówi, że osobiście była świadkiem szczepień wszystkich polityków i potentatów, i wszyscy otrzymali preparat nr 1. Gisteren brak er een groot schandaal uit in Slovenië, en vandaag heeft heel Slovenië het over vaccinaties. De hoofdverpleegkundige van het Universitair Medisch Centrum, een klinisch centrum in Ljubljana, dat zich bezighoudt met de ontvangst van flessen en alles regelt, gaf het op, ging voor de camera’s staan en haalde de flessen vaccins tevoorschijn. Ze liet mensen de codes op de flessen zien, elk met het label 1, 2 of 3, en legde vervolgens de betekenis van de codes uit. Nummer 1 is placebo, zoutoplossing. Nummer 2 is de klassieke RNA-fles. Nummer 3 is de RNA-stick met het onc-gen, verwant aan adenovirus, dat bijdraagt aan de ontwikkeling van kanker. Het getal 3 zegt dat mensen die ze krijgen binnen 2 jaar weke delen kanker zullen hebben. Ze zegt dat ze persoonlijk getuige was van de vaccinaties van alle politici en magnaten, en ze kregen allemaal voorbereiding # 1.

>>53530 The video these articles discuss: https://fb . watch / 9ratp9gTsF/ https://peervideo.club/w/sfoQr11GW7uCBZ4VWkc1qm No where in the video do I actually see her display the three vials. I do not speak Hungarian.

Funny how the US has exceeded last years covid deaths before "vaccinations"

>>53511 >No one is saying the vaxx is 100% effective. In the beginning of vaccination they said it is 100% effective and then little by little they changed their statement. Firstly you wouldn't get sick, then you would get sick but not as hard, then they said you would die less often. Pic related (1) good example >>53511 >2,834,038 deaths (based on death certificate data) Death from COVID and death with COVID is 2 different things. Pic related (2)

>>53517 >spike protein for more info on the S-protein >>53454 >>53521 >>53525 >cytokine storm a cytokine storm is very extreme case of your own immune system attacking your own body. you might get way milder auto-immune reactions, which can lead to auto-immune diseases or cancer in long-term. Simply "brain fog" can be a symptom of auto-inflammation or an auto-immune reaction. Auto-inflammation and/or auto-immune diseases can cause a lot of different kind of symptoms (nearly anything!). For example, Behçet's disease is a auto-inflammatory disease. Look it up and see how varied its symptoms are. Also, look up the closely related Neuro-Behçet's disease (where Behçet's disease affects the brain!)

For expert memes - experts told you cigarettes are healthy and asbestos is safe. Academics can be paid just as politicians. This is in essence nothing special as it has been the norm forever. The only special aspect is they are now pushing for mandatory sales as a monopoly under its for your own good guise. A true utopia for the megacorp.

>>53540 Most people here know this. It's nothing new. I still refuse to trust the absolutely brain damaged conspiratards, who scream about the vaccine killing people. It's not. I got the vax, and it hasn't managed to kill me, I did not even seriously impair me. Still, the push for mandatory vaccination is psychological terror, and I am ready to Molotov the local office of the health ministry as soon as coercion becomes official.

1) Go to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/1798174254 2) Click on "Run BLAST" (on the right hand side) 3) Choose Search Set. Change "nucleotide collection" to "Patent sequences". 4) Click "BLAST" 5) Look at the results. 6) Pick a patent and look it up.

>>53541 >im smoking and fine, cancer from smoking? conspiracy This is your argument... Your stance is basically pray to jesus, obey and hope you survive. Its comfortable but longterm the worst approach. You're incentivizing the corp to proceed with current practices as you financially reward them.

>>53543 Your !mplications have nothing to do with what I said. I am physically and mentally healthy, I was not impaired by the vaccine, but that doesn't mean everyone should take it. I have spoken against the mandatory vaccination and coercing people into taking it. I will fight against it, but it is currently not worth it to stir up the crapbarrel. When vaccination becomes mandatory here, or even just coercion becomes legal practice, I will pull out the crate of Molotov's and go to town. There is no black and white, and just because someone takes the vaccine, doesn't mean he is complacent and will do everything the government asks of him.

>>53544 You literally said issues are not real cause im healthy so the smoking comparison is perfectly apt. As for the secondary aspect - We have taxes from policies made in middle ages. When did we ever get things restored? You give a inch thats ground permanently lost. Once forced vacc is in they have no reason for quality control and force you to pay for garbage. Its obviously easier to establish mandatory vacc sales in a country with 70% vacced since you only need to wreck 30%. Its a slow erosion process just like it was originally "just isolate 2 weeks".

>>53548 Succciety going to hell anyways. I just wait for an excuse to burn buildings (and people). And that excuse is very close.

>>53541 Just as a disclaimer, I'm not vaccinated but I am recovered. I got the virus, and it hasn't managed to kill me, it did not even seriously impair me. >as soon as coercion becomes official It is official here. The law will come into effect beginning in February. Will you take me with you? Maybe we would make a good team.

>>53551 Fellow yuropoor? I wear a long leather coat, black patrol cap and slim sunglasses. Also, look out for an axe sticking out beneath the coat.

>>53552 Indeed, fellow yuropoor. Duly noted. See you, at the latest when the legislation comes into effect.

>>53548 I remember when they said slippery slope is a fallacy, now they don't say it anymore because they know the ultimate goal is just to submit to every weird decision they want

At least in one place of the world, things are finally looking very good. Awesome analysis by John Campbell again, looking at the curious case of Japan. https://youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g

>>53538 >In the beginning of vaccination they said it is 100% effective and then little by little they changed their statement. "they", who the fuarrrk is they? Let's assume you're talking about governements (or Big Pharma or lizards, idk what bullshit you believe in) So you think pro-vaxx just agree with whatever "they" say? You're viewing the world as all black or all white lol, but reality is grey. -Most (normal) people were septical when "they" told us it's super effective, because (normal) people know all vaccines are not 100% effective. >Firstly you wouldn't get sick, then you would get sick but not as hard, then they said you would die less often. Yeah, you know why "they" said this? Possible reasons: -Gov don't want people to panic -To "save" the economy (hi capitalists) -Because most people wanted to ignore Covid and were thinking the infection rate was low. Pandemics are rares, for 99% people it's a first "real" pandemic, we were thinking it will be mild like the H1N1. But somehow, anti-vaxx think simple explainations are not possible and want to believe in "tHe gReaT coNpIraCy". They see it as all white or all black and believe every pro-vaxx is too dumb to think by themselves lol. Typical insider trade. >Death from COVID and death with COVID is 2 different things. Yeah that's why I took the lowest number, the one with COVID WRITTEN AS THE PRINCIPAL CAUSE OF DEATH ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE lmao. But you guys don't believe numbers (or just don't believe numbers who do not prove your point lol) This thread is a waste of time, OP is based, can't accept a single counter-point, his sources are typical right-wing propaganda spots (rip peertube, such a wasted concept) So, let's try something different; OP (aka the guy spamming this thread), why are you against the vaccine? What are you afraid of? What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation? How do you explain the global mortality rate jumping from 2019 to today? (And please try to write normally without spamming the n world at every sentence and refusing to debate a point just because it's "my soykafty opinion")

>>53560 >But you guys don't believe numbers Yea we don't. I was looking at this pandemic soykaf ever since the 15th of 2020 roll out when Wuhan got closed because I look at the news often. I saw how the Chinese were lying to the WHO about their infection numbers in the early time of pandemic. I saw how the lying media and politicians, who had such kind hearts like you said to not make people panic, would directly lie to the people about the pandemic. I won't bore you with who I am or what makes me think this is "one great conspiracy", it is not. The ideas and mechanisms of actions are simple. Put a little bit of fear in the mix and every hospital will inflate their numbers to get more funding from the government. Hell, if you die within 28 days of a positive PCR they pronounce you as a COVID death. I seen a couple elderly die from general old age but nurses were jumping on them for a PCR test right before they died. I don't need you to tell you about big pharma or capitalism pushing these psychopaths forward, you mentioned them yourself. But why then do what they tell you to do? Why side with big pharma and capitalists? Occupy wallstreet is when the leftists like you had the highest rise in hate for them, then suddenly they used your sympathies for the minorities to divide and conquer you to idiotic levels. You stopped caring about bankars and started caring about gypsies or whatever. You keep "lol"ing after every sentence to try and induce your "smug superiority" but you are just their pawn at the end of the day.

>>53564 >15th of 2020 Of january btw

>>53564 >I seen a couple elderly die from general old age but nurses were jumping on them for a PCR test right before they died. OP is now LARPing as a doctor. This thread keep getting better, we need more popcorn.

>>53566 No, this was reported publicly in newspapers - nurses and doctors "counting up"

>>53566 >evrry person counter arguing you is OP >I claimed I was a doctor Your delusions grow stronger by the post You were more fun when you typed "lol" after every sentence

>>53570 From "I've seen" to "it was reported on newspapers" really quick. Keep lying and believing only the parts of newspaper that you agree with I guess..

>>53572 Covid itself causes blood clots.

>>53578 Even funnier: Covid causes more blood clots than vaccines. https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1931 ps: weird how all anti-vaxx posters disappeard at the same time haha

I don't care how covid *vaccine* cause bad side-effect to me. If I die earlier then I expect, It's kinda lucky i guess. But I'm really annoyed at getting vaccinated many times. How many times should I be vaccinated more? two? three? Anyway, I don't live in USA. But our country is trying to make people get vaccinated 3rd times if he/she is order than 18 years old. Why Covid vaccines aren't effective like other vaccines like influenza? I don't know about RNA vaccines, but are there any specific reason why It can't make us be immune at least 1 or 2 shots? Or Can't I just remember how many times I got vaccinated between short time gaps at influenza? Was it similar on Covid? Btw, I got second vacc. Nothing happened to me *yet*. Yeah, maybe there're possible to show little or big side-effect after ong time passed like weak radioactivity. But I don't care.

>>53579 >ps: weird how all anti-vaxx posters disappeard at the same time haha Maybe we just aren't in the same time-zone? Ever figured that out smarty-pants?

OP has covid-brain >https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133

>>53591 >issue is spike so "vacc" gives same soykaf as it gives you spike too, gg no re

>>53591 As article says, only if you're older than 70. Encephalitis most usually affects older people and people with weaker immune systems. Your obsession with OP is weird and fear mongering scares no one

>>53593 >The risk of developing vaccine-related Encephalitis is extremely small in comparison to the health risks associated with the diseases that vaccines prevent. Importantly, the data indicates that vaccines are in the order of 1,000 to 100,000 times safer than running the risk of contracting the disease >>53594 >Doctors in a large Chicago medical center found that more than 40% of patients with COVID showed neurologic manifestations at the outset, and more than 30% of those had impaired cognition. Sometimes the neurological manifestations can be devastating and can even lead to death. >COVID can cause damage to the brain directly by encephalitis, which may have devastating or subtle consequences. In one British study of 12 patients with encephalitis, one made a full recovery, 10 made a partial recovery, and one died. This study also found that a number of patients with COVID suffered strokes. In fact, COVID infection is a risk factor for strokes. A group of Canadian doctors found that individuals over 70 years of age were at particularly high risk for stroke related to COVID infection, but even young individuals are seven times more likely to have a stroke from this coronavirus versus a typical flu virus.

>>53595 >believing it trashbin your brain Autopsy spots cancer often thats unknown and never treated. Why? Cause most people have defects nobody checks for.

to be honest, we should rather discuss the acquisition of vaccine booster shots in a increasingly competitive environment, even illegal methods for obtaining it. I strongly suspect, that the virus will increasingly "mutate" and other "variants" will surface, that will require renewed vaccination. And because everyone needs this, the pharmacorps and governments will increasingly ration the vaccine doses, in order to provide those who "need it the most" with it. If it comes to this, everyone who is in the mud will have to fight for the vaccine.

>>53599 With covid raging on practically everywhere except for very curious exceptions (African countries, Japan, India?), it's unclear how much the vax is actually helping. From where I stand, it helps against dying of covid, but completely disappoints when it comes to transmission and is possibly not even worth the risk for many people. It's curious to see how we have so wildly divergent models of the world. No offense, at nobody, everyone is just trying to rationalize their immediate and secondary environment, so divergent models of the world are to be expected. But I sincerely doubt it will come to what you say. Time will tell. Stay well everyone and remember not to mandate vaccines or listen to 4channers flinging insults in every direction.

>>53599 >I strongly suspect, that the virus will increasingly "mutate" and other "variants" will surface, that will require renewed vaccination Yes, but that should be with a new vaccine. The data recommending booster shots of the *same vaccine* is really sparse. Especially if you're young, there is literally no reason to get a booster.

>>53600 > Japan, India Actually, both Japan and Inda are being btfo'd. There's just not much in English media about it.

>>53599 >And because everyone needs thi Lol kay gramps I wonder when will these bô0mers die already

>>53608 Just because you cannot read Japan media, it doesn't mean they are not doing well. Bring your sources if you have it.

>>53585 >How many times should I be vaccinated more? two? three? We don't know, can be a lot more than 3 more. basically 1 more few months (maybe every 6-12 months). >Why Covid vaccines aren't effective like other vaccines like influenza? I don't know about RNA vaccines, but are there any specific reason why It can't make us be immune at least 1 or 2 shots? Mutations. This virus is like the flu en steroids.. It mutates like crazy. We keep finding new variants and some of them are seriously dangerous. Here is an exemple, in the news; We found out a few days ago that one of the new variants, B.1.1529, is way more resistant to vaccines then the others. Basically, the virus can infect your cells using his "spike protein". The vaccine told our body to detect and attack this spike protein. When the virus mutates, there's a chance that the spike protein mutates too. The vaccine was less effective against the Delta variant because the spike protein mutated 8 times. The new variant, B.1.1529, have a spike protein who mutated 38 times... That's why we need "boosters" every few months. We basically make our body learn a new way to detect and destroy covid, like a computer security update. I know it is like kicking dead whales down the beach, but now at least you know why you have to take new shots. The good news is, RNA vaxx are easier to make than traditional ones, we can react way faster to new variants then before. Wonderful technology really. >>53596 So here is were you fuarrrked up Lainon (OP), you're speaking without knowing wth we >>53595 was talking about. THE PATIENTS WERE ALIVE lulz Proof: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/acn3.51210 (you can see the results on this page or you can put it on sci-hub for the full stuff) So no autopsy.. >>53600 >With covid raging on practically everywhere except for very curious exceptions (African countries, Japan, India?), it's unclear how much the vax is actually helping Sadly, while the RNA vaxx are faster to make then traditional ones, variants are even faster. It's an arms race, with variants always slighty faster then us. >From where I stand, it helps against dying of covid, but completely disappoints when it comes to transmission and is possibly not even worth the risk for many people. New studies prove one thing: The vaccine IS super effective at first, because with it our body knows how to detect today's covid and attack it before it infect our cells. But with time, the vaccine become less and less effective because of new variants. We have to tell our body, using a vaccine, how to detect covid n2 (exemple: delta variant), then a few months later how to detect covid n3 (another variant), etc. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620 So the risk IS worth it, the vaccine WILL protect you (not 100% but around 80-90%) but the vaccine is less effective against new variants with time (drop to about 10-20% after 7 months). Don't buy into the fear monggering around the vaxx, most of those people never ready any medical journal lol.

>>53622 Did you get vaccinated for every different strain or?

>>53624 Oh, OP is awake inb4 spam

>>53624 Most variants mutate but keep a similar spike protein. So no. But I'll get the booster to avoid getting the heavily spike protein mutated ones like B.1.1529, as soon as I can (6 months after my second dose in my country)

>>53622 >This virus is like the flu en steroids.. It mutates like crazy. We keep finding new variants and some of them are seriously dangerous. this post has some common misconceptions. 1) current covid vaccines are *way* more effective than most flu vaccines 2) covid has a lower natural mutation rate than most influenza, the genome is more stable. The reason SARS-nCov-2 is mutating quickly right now is because it has a virgin population. Once a certain percent of people have been exposed or vaccinated (which we're probably getting close to), it will have to adapt to immune systems more capable of fending it off. That means point mutations have more of a chance of dying out quickly. >Basically, the virus can infect your cells using his "spike protein". The vaccine told our body to detect and attack this spike protein. >When the virus mutates, there's a chance that the spike protein mutates too. >The vaccine was less effective against the Delta variant because the spike protein mutated 8 times. The new variant, B.1.1529, have a spike protein who mutated 38 times... keep in mind that there have *always* been variants for which the vaccines are basically worthless, even as early as when vaccine rollout first started. Delta didn't become the dominant variant because it evades vaccines, it became dominant because it spreads more effectively. I've never really heard of a rigorous analysis as to why that is, but there are a lot of reasons it could be, many of which have nothing to do with whether the spike protein is still recognizable to antibodies. >but the vaccine is less effective against new variants with time (drop to about 10-20% after 7 months) Where are you getting those numbers from? Not from your paper, unless you mean specifically VE-I of the Janssen vaccine. CDC reported a few days ago that they estimate current VE of pfizer and moderna vaccines at around 65-75%, up to 200 days from final dose https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-19/06-COVID-Oliver-508.pdf . This is from data in a study concluding August 20. There's another study that concluded more recently (also cited in this report) wherein nobody out of over 9,000 study participants got hospitalized. This same report concludes that, for adults aged 18-29, it takes nearly 10,000 booster shots to prevent one single covid-19 related hospitalization. Put in other words, if every adult in that age range got a booster, it would lead to about 2500 less hospitalizations nationwide. A pittance. That's why the CDC still doesn't recommend boosters for people that young.

>>53627 >Where are you getting those numbers from? Just saw it on a french science article about this study. I didn't wanted to put % in my post at first but saw that when quickly googleing; Entre le mois de mars 2021 et le mois d'octobre 2021, l'efficacité des vaccins contre la contamination est passée : de 86,4 % à 13,1 % pour le vaccin Janssen ; de 89,2 % à 58 % pour le vaccin Moderna ; de 86,9 % à 43,3 % pour le vaccin Pfizer-BioNTech. Translation: Between march and october 2021, covid vaxx effectiveness dropped: from 86,4 % to 13,1 % for Janssen ; from 89,2 % to 58 % for Moderna ; from 86,9 % to 43,3 % for Pfizer-BioNTech. So, my bad, I was too quick and lazy and fuarrrked up ^^ I saw "13,1%" (must be a typo) and assumed the rest was around that number too like the rates 15days after the 2nd shot. Totally my bad here.

>>53622 >give example from cancer studies regading diagnosis stat issue >the patients were alive here pure fool. Also love that you claim to be not the poster but im supposed to be op but i guess self awareness needs higher iq. The lesson is simple: most don't get diagnosed for brain damage so you have no idea of the real effect. And this study only checked hospitalized people which are known to have preconditions that make cov worse and lead to hospitalization. So did cov cause brain damage or did people with brain damage suffer from a worse cov? you dont know.

>>53629 >So did cov cause brain damage or did people with brain damage suffer from a worse cov? you dont know. Why would brain damage cause worse covid infections?

>>53629 (Oh and I'm not that poster you talk about. I'm not >>53595 at least, I was just reading all replies before writing my post)

>>53631 that's a question you would have to ask someone who knows the body better brain damage could also imply BBB damage which might cause worse covid infections, but that's just a postulation to imply that your narrow worldview is just the only one that is right is what bugs me here

>>53626 >most Ah, more weasel words, I gotcha That way you can shield yourself from MOST, not the ones that avoid your silly vaccine with new and ever changing mutations because as we all know RNA mutates more rapidly My point is that you will not eradicate the virus, you will not shield yourself from the virus because new mutations will enable different pathways of receptors and lastly you can't vaccinate yourself from every mutation >>53625 I am not the OP, when will you get that

>>53591 >The Chinese group thought it might be linked to underlying inflammatory processes. >No No NO!!!! BUT BUT BUT BRAIN DAMAGE!!! BRAIN DAMAGE NOW!!!! Holy soykaf I fuarrrking hate American Anglo Germanic scum so much.

>>53638 waaaaaaahhh waaaaaaaaah my braine is like super yooneek and whatever!!!1 it must be protacted at all costzz!!! I CANT GET SIIIIICKKK OH N OOOOOOOOOOO AHHHHH

>>53631 Why cant you think for yourself? If you got brain damage from disease your immune system will be weaker and more receptive to cov. Brain damage is simply an indicator of previous illness but not the direct cause. This should be self-evident since you already accept readily that a virus(cov) could cause brain damage which demands to accept that diseases can give brain damage.

>Removing my post Cant say I'm surprised, the quality of this place dips every time I come back.

Hope my fellow Austrians are going to Heldenplatz tomorrow, fuarrrk the mandatory vaccine

>>53651 Hell no. fuarrrk those people going to this protest while we just found out a new heavily mutated variant. New variant cluster incoming because of morons like them. I hope you are ready for new lockdowns if you go there.

when did lainchan get so gullible and stupid? the pandemic is very much real. the vaccine has been shown to be effective, on a huge scale. actually... no... please, don't take the vaccine, go cluster together without masks. i want you to all prune yourselves from the gene pool.

>>53657 >we just found out a new heavily mutated variant. And which variant is this? Third? Fourth? For how long are we going to let the government trample our freedoms because of a stupid flu? This variant is going to kill me for sure, I bet. >I hope you are ready for new lockdowns if you go there. We're already under lockdown for the fourth or fifth time already. >>53658 >effective Effective how exactly? You're still going to get covid albeit it's going to be less severe. This isn't about the vaccine itself, it's about the Orwellian measures put in place by the government which keeps proving time and time again that it shouldn't be trusted. If you're a landwhale or if you have existing medical conditions take the vaccine but don't force me to play your stupid game. >i want you to all prune yourselves from the gene pool. Have fun getting your 10th booster shot.

>>53658 >calls people gullible and stupid for people younger than around 70 years old, this is about as bad as the normal flu >prune yourselves from the gene pool going outside isn't going to kill anybody so easily, this is magical thinking

>>53651 definitely, see you there friend >>53657 I hope you realize the variant didn't even originate here. Besides, the lockdowns would happen or not happen irrespective of who goes tomorrow. Let's see if the new variant turns out to completely dodge the dodgy vaccine immunization, which sounds very much plausible considering the selective pressure. People will have called this upon themselves. >>53658 ironic

>>53658 Are you serious? Look at the death rates. God, some people really are born slaves.

>>53661 >for people younger than around 70 years old, this is about as bad as the normal flu Baseless and false. /S2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext >going outside isn't going to kill anybody so easily, this is magical thinking "VIRUS DON'T EXIST YOU SHEEPLES" is a weird hill to die on but you do you. >>53663 Hey, not need to spam 4 messages to pretend that a horde of lainchan users are against vaccines :) I bet you're the same guy who told in another thread "I come from 4chan /g/ and they told me they all gonna migrate on lainchan so I came here". At least it wouldn't be suprising. >>53658 >when did lainchan get so gullible and stupid? Idk, it's recent. We had some dumbasses in the last few years but most of them vanished in a few days. This (or those) one(s) are a special kind. It will keep getting worse as some people weaponized imageboards for political reasons around 2016, making imageboards somehow mainstream.

>>53671 >he uses year old data shame the newer one doesnt fit the agenda

>>53671 >It will keep getting worse as some people weaponized imageboards for political reasons around 2016, making imageboards somehow mainstream. any venue that allows this kind of discussion will be overrun. That is how these things work. Personally I think the wageslaves are mostly paid to associate completely legitimate criticisms of government authoritarianism under the guise of public health with ridiculous urban legends and misinformation.

>>53672 Ok, link the newer data here then, if it fits "your agenda" :). I'll wait :) (but eveytime someone ask you something like that, you just don't reply and go into a different path or insults) (PS: don't bother, new data shows pretty much the same results) >>53673 Hi, again, >Personally I think the wageslaves are mostly paid to associate completely legitimate criticisms of government authoritarianism under the guise of public health with ridiculous urban legends and misinformation. >wageslave I think there's a spelling mistake in your URL address bar. Maybe type "4" instead of "lain". >any venue that allows this kind of discussion will be overrun. That is how these things work. Something something, internet summer.

>>53674 If it does why did you post old soykaf? sus And im not here to convince you, if you could be convinced you would have found it yourself, im just calling your bs out :)

>>53674 lmao bud I've been here since the kalyx days. Don't lump me in with the people I'm complaining about. You're part of the problem when you do that.

>>53676 >Not giving out newer data :) >Think he is "calling [my] bullshit out" while not providing any counter-argument or data >Thinks I gave old data to "trick" you while I just did a quick search to find a graph instead of providing recent studies from medical journals because people like you can't read more than 3 lines and would have ignored it totally. >uses "sus" While you're around, can you anwser those questions >>53560 asked to "someone else": Why are you against the vaccine? What are you afraid of? What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation? How do you explain the global mortality rate jumping from 2019 to today? And I will add: Do you believe the virus exist to begin with? If yes, do you believe it's human made? If yes, do you believe it was introduced to the outside world in order to use it as a weapon or control tool? Just trying to understand you're view.

>>53680 Dont change the subject fella, give the man his source to your claim

>>53679 There's something I learned while playing MMOs; -People who pretend they totally were here since day first of the game, citing commun knowledge infos, are more likely to be new and insecure about it. "I totally played wow in 2003 beta, I was the first lvl 60 warlock of my the beta servers, I'm like world first dude, I saw Leeroy Jenkins while playing, he was a chill dude and runned while yelling his name, months before the video on youtube, I promise dude, I was so cool back then" >>53681 What are you asking for specifically here? You're the one telling newer data don't prove my point at first. You're the one changing subject and don't disclosing his sources.

>>53682 >>I've been using this website since <specific time period> >lol everyone knows that <specific time period> exists, try harder newb

>>53401 >picrel >virology experts work for institutes and companies researching vaccines >that's somehow a surprise for some I know schizophrenia isn't easy to deal with but do you really? You probably have no idea how scarce experts are.

>>53683 Back to the subject: While you're around, can you anwser those questions >>53560 asked to "someone else": Why are you against the vaccine? What are you afraid of? What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation? How do you explain the global mortality rate jumping from 2019 to today? And I will add: Do you believe the virus exist to begin with? If yes, do you believe it's human made? If yes, do you believe it was introduced to the outside world in order to use it as a weapon or control tool? For my part, here, newer data: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku >Covid Death by sex/age between Jan 2020 to Nov 2021 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html >Flu death by age for the 2019-2019 season Be aware the covid one his for 2 years and the flu one for only 1, but even if you divide by 2, Covid is still more dangerous for age groups younger than 70yo. So you were wrong saying covid is as dangerous as flu for people younger than 70. (I'm not >>53684 before you jump at my throat in your next post)

>>53685 Covid is still more dangerous for SOME age groups younger than 70yo.* >Correction

>>53685 >Why are you against the vaccine? I'm not >What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation? overthrow the government, ban personal automobiles and landlordism, legalize drug use, convert mansions into group homes... etc. >Do you believe the virus exist to begin with? >If yes, do you believe it's human made? >If yes, do you believe it was introduced to the outside world in order to use it as a weapon or control tool? Yes, no, no. Why do you insist I'm the person you've been arguing with?

>>53680 Its near 100% human made. Us senate had a hearing talking about funding rona research where they also made it more lethal in rats. The idea it has nothing to do with it is highly unlikely. Vid is on youtube by official tv news station with 1.5m now which in return means public is still largely unaware of the reality they live in.

>>53690 A lot of people are have an open mind about this actually. I can't tell it's not human made. (And I can't tell it's human made either at the time) The virus being human made wouln't surpise me at all. But I don't believe (personal opinion) it was released non-accidentally. I would be a shot in the foot for everyone. (But again, It's not closed to discussion, we need more infos) >>53688 >overthrow the government, ban personal automobiles and landlordism, legalize drug use, convert mansions into group homes... etc. Let me try again: >What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation (ABOUT COVID)

>>53693 Depends highly who "we" is and where "we" are. I have posted before in this thread that I think there is no reason for young people to get booster shots at this stage, there is no data supporting it and the CDC agrees with me. I think it's mostly being pushed by vaccine manufacturers trying to sell of excess supply. Where I'm at covid is basically a non-issue at the moment (100 cases county-wide out of a population of over a million). Contact tracing measures are working and people are generally careful about going out when they're sick. We also have a vaccination rate of nearly 80%, including children. I'm firmly against violating the bodily autonomy of anybody. It makes sense to require vaccines and/or masks for many things (like going to a movie or a concert) but there is no reason why people need a vaccine to get groceries or ride the bus. I also think the government has no business limiting private gatherings or most public gatherings. A curfew for a virus makes no god damn sense, it's just a case of a police state reacting to the situation the only way it knows how, by suppressing the populace. Long-term, the most important things would be limiting international travel and implementing strict screening procedures at all airports. I believe that this should actually be independent of whether you've been vaccinated, as they apply to all potential epidemics, not just covid, which are becoming more common as biodiverse regions are paved over for urban expansion.

>>53693 the benefactors should be obvious - its the corp selling you vacc now. Its beautiful from a business perspective. Create the market demand for the product you wish to sell. If you need confirmation that public health is of no concern look at the contracts. Goverment is prohibited to speak in public about contract terms and also prohibited to get vacc elsewhere and they don't even have fixed delivery dates. Youre getting pulled over the table.

>>53695 s/international travel/international air travel/ obviously slower modes of transportation are fine, air travel is just particularly bad because it takes a few days for a virus to go worldwide rather than several weeks.

>>53697 The air travel tests everyone at air port though. Should be a pretty save. Worst is probably ships with crew and border hopping immigrants.

>>53698 >The air travel tests everyone at air port though Not the last time I flew, I just needed to show a vax card. fuarrrking joke if you ask me. There should be 2 days minimum of quarantine for everybody traveling on an airplane, as well as thorough checks for known virii. So, yeah, I think the only way to practically mitigate these kinds of pandemics is to drastically lower the amount of airplane travel. My parents would hate that. >Worst is probably ships with crew and border hopping immigrants. crewed ships are fine, they're mostly isolated for a week or two for long-distance trips, easy to tell when there is an outbreak on board and quarantine accordingly. Immigrants aren't that bad IMO. If they travel 10 miles and infect somebody they've just moved the virus 10 miles, not 1000. Borders are just imaginary lines on the ground. Also you have to consider that many economies would simply collapse if you ended immigration.

>>53700 Europe just got some african variant imported. Meant that kind of border hopping. Long distance through multiple countries.

>>53701 ah yes. Well obviously border checkpoints would be a good place to check and make sure the virus isn't spreading. But in Europe you have e.g. people who commute from Morocco to Spain every day. Nothing wrong with that in principle (although they definitely are getting exploited)

>>53685 Guess I'll jump back into a covid thread by responding to a datamining post. It's a Friday, what else am I going to do? >Why are you against the vaccine? I'm not. I'm against the salesmanship surrounding the vaccine. >What are you afraid of? Heights under some circumstances. I'm more immediately afraid of the Girardian conflict spiral we seem to be all really gung-ho about feeding. That's probably what you were asking about. > What would be, in your opinion, a good thing to do in our situation? Stop doubling down, stop playing an infinite game. The same format as the war on drugs and terror is being played out with Covid where the only goal is to play. Those other two "wars" are widely deemed as failures; I don't think they truly were, there never was a goal to fail at accomplishing. Lay out your tools and set a goal, define what entails success and what entails failure, execute, drop the failures, repeat. That's how you solve problems. Sloganeering and blaming people for getting sick don't tend to be very useful tools when fighting a viral infection. >How do you explain the global mortality rate jumping from 2019 to today? Numbers can either be larger, equal to, or smaller than each other. I know that in my country there wasn't excess death in 2020 compared to 2019, the rise in mortality was within the expected inflation. There are many places with fewer resources to deal with a novel pandemic, I'd probably look in those places. >If yes, do you believe it's human made? This virus appears to be incapable of spreading in outdoor environments, it doesn't do well on surfaces and it appeared fully capable of infecting human populations en-masse without leaving evidence of an evolutionary learning phase. It was produced by serial passage experimentation in humanized lab animals. The other possibility is that the old Creationist favorite caricature of evolution is actually how evolution works: a tornado in a scrapyard chaotically assembling a functioning airplane. >If yes, do you believe it was introduced to the outside world in order to use it as a weapon or control tool? No, yes. It wasn't intentional, but now it's a tool. Don't let a good crisis go to waste as they say.

Huh weird how suddenly there is a strain that is harmful to children

>>53704 It says it spreads more in young people. Not that it's dangerous to them. I think kids is how most people get covid where I'm from already, since they have next to no protection and don't even need to use face masks.

>>53704 >Pic >It spreads more among young people >It's more dangerous for children! Reading comprehension seems to be a declining skill.

>>53704 >"spread and high mutation number" >zomg it's "dangerous" just like how idiocy like the one he has spreads and mutates, but is not necessarily more dangerous than before. Next.

>>53708 >Reading comprehension seems to be a declining skill. Chill out, the whole point of the media is to mislead people like this. They are quite good at it. >>53709 >"spread and high mutation number" >zomg it's "dangerous" Normally viruses evolve to be less dangerous because the ones that kill their hosts too quickly fail to replicate and die out. But if the vaccines are effective at reducing symptoms then the virus can evolve to be more dangerous without reducing opportunities to spread. One nightmare scenario is that we end up with a super strong version of covid that harmlessly spreads around the vaccinated population but then kills you as soon as your vaccine effectiveness runs out, essentially forcing everyone to depend on regular booster shots for the rest of their lives.

>>53710 >Chill out, the whole point of the media is to mislead people like this. They are quite good at it. that's an elaborate way of hand waving away one's stupidity. "they're misleading me, with easily understood messages" should've been how it was written, i guess you're misleading us.

>>53712 >that's an elaborate way of hand waving away one's stupidity. Your assumption that being "smart" somehow makes you immune to lies and psychological trickery is wrong. And if you feel the need to act like a jerk and tell everyone how stupid they are to make yourself feel better then you yourself are probably not that smart anyway.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Netherlands/comments/r39kek/i_think_unvaccinated_people_by_choice_not_because/ Would you agree with these measures?

Who the fuarrrk cares about this disease anyway? Whomever has to die is going to die. Of anything. You could fall in the bath and die, you know? Humanity had endless totally avoidable wars. Everybody fuarrrking dies. It's not like there are people soykafting their guts out in the streets. It's a goddamn flu. If this virus is really something that evolved naturally (a crap which I don't buy because being trustworthy AND getting globohomo financial aid to be able to address to the public officially is an impossibility, right?), are we so retarded that we prefer to live in an endless controlled hell than to endure a minimal risk of dying...but in freedom? I mean, that's whats wrong with science. It's not making the world better for the sake of being objective. Our planet is crowded, people are increasingly dependent on psychotropics, people are getting increasingly neurotic about germs and viruses, afraid to die, of getting sick, of human contact, etc. Is this what normal people perceive as a bright future? People are so spineless and wimpy they prefer to sacrifice their last drop of freedom and trust well known crooks in exchange of nothing but a crappy future. And it's not even going to be a COVID free future, for God's sake! In exchange of feeling smart to be in the "side of science", maybe, or to turn their asses to tyrants so they can feel safe from ONE thing that's just a thing because of very persistent propaganda. The only thing that's going to happen is that society is going to be way more like a prison than it is now. And people will continue to die, to get sick and life will be ruthless as always, but with a health industry tyranny fuarrrking you in the ass day by day. Brilliant, very brilliant. Humanity NUKED cities and if it proofs to be profitable to the "right" people again, we're nuking it all up and it's gonna be great because TV said so! We killed millions, started wars, destroyed cities, cultures, dreams, generations, economies, but hey, this soykaf of a flu is such a big thing to avoid, right? C'mon, wake the hell up.

>>53718 >reddit thanks for a worthless opinion, glitterboy >>53719 i think you're preaching to the choir

>>53719 in style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pqi8vjTLY

I have always suspected the lab leak, since I have had a number of classes on biological threats to the economy and society (both natural and man-made). The reasons I don't trust anything I am told anymore is >Scientists pulling data from dubious official sources that contradict >Governments distorting numbers and definitions (china changing "infected" definition, changing definition of "vaccine" and yet they are still used as official, also I used to have screenshots of VAERS that indicated much higher severe reactions, last time i checked a few weeks ago, VAERS had (0) ZERO severe reactions) >Government officials lying or pretending they don't know whats going on >Government officials who have close ties to the technology or companies they wrote a blank check to, for a product sight unseen. >People being naive that the knee jerk reaction to buy vaccines isn't worse than telling people opiods are safe, or the equivalent of high tech snake oil >Politicians becoming experts overnight and passing blanket requirements to use the product that put billions of money into bigpharma pockets I know people who had genuine religious or medical reasons to not get vaccinated, including their family having severe allergic reactions and being hospitalized. Under mandates, these wishes were disregarded "for the public well being" Pilots were concerned that heart problems could prevent them from passing medical screenings and would get them fired. But companies don't care... I can't even talk to people IRL anymore because I am a far-right antivaxxer simply by virtue of me questioning the whole system that allowed untested medicine to be sold a a bulletproof miracle drug. I basically got disowned by my family for a few weeks because I refused to sign a waiver saying i was voluntarily subjecting myself to an emergency treatment and accepted all liabilities associated with an untested vaccine.

>>53719 >Who the fuarrrk cares about this disease anyway? Whomever has to die is going to die. Of anything. You could fall in the bath and die, you know? Humanity had endless totally avoidable wars. Everybody fuarrrking dies. >C'mon, wake the hell up. As if the people not wanting to die from something stupid and avoidable are the crazy ones. Can you death cultists even hear yourselves?

>>53738 your npc kind never considers how many lockdown killed. 10x more suicides and overrun psych institutions but who cares. TV only talks about muh covid deads. You never saved anyone. You just killed one group of people for another.

>>53724 >Scientists pulling data from dubious official sources that contradict What do you call "official sources"? Whay do you mean here lmao. There are scientists working for the gov and others working in private companies. Some are even independant. All of them (except a few ones like Dr.Raoult in France, who btw got caught falsifying his studies and was reported by HIS OWN EMPLOYEES) agree the virus is: -real -mostly more dangerous than commun flu (except for a few age groups, like young kids) -Danger can be reduced (and IS reduced) by masks, social distancing, vaccines and, of course, commun sense. >Governments distorting numbers and definitions (china changing "infected" definition, changing definition of "vaccine" and yet they are still used as official, also I used to have screenshots of VAERS that indicated much higher severe reactions, last time i checked a few weeks ago, VAERS had (0) ZERO severe reactions) Nothing new here, gov often lie or make mistakes. Doesn't mean they are lying about everything. >Government officials lying or pretending they don't know whats going on If they are lying while knowing they are lying: fuarrrk them. But for most cases it's just that NOBODY really knows unless they are working on it. You don't listen to politicians when they speak about (let say) technology, because you know they don't know what the hell they are talking about... so why do you listen when they speak about virus? >Government officials who have close ties to the technology or companies they wrote a blank check to, for a product sight unseen. what? Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say here (can be my fault here, I'm not native english) >People being naive that the knee jerk reaction to buy vaccines isn't worse than telling people opiods are safe, or the equivalent of high tech snake oil Again, what?? OTC Opiates are only a problem in the USA (maybe canada?) because of you soykafty laws. We don't have that in Europe. Doctors can't prescribe something because some corporate clowns paid him a rolex, as it should be.. So comparing this to the virus... no.. the entire world agrees about the virus (or maybe a few Eastern Europe dicators are telling the virus is fake but it's not unusual for them to say dumb soykaf) >Politicians becoming experts overnight and passing blanket requirements to use the product that put billions of money into bigpharma pockets Politicians were always like this but somehow it's only a problem when it's about the virus. Were antivaxx protesting before? For most of them, no. YOU HAVE THE EXACT PROBLEM THE GOV HAD WITH THE WAR ON DRUG (let me explain): -You don't believe ANYTHING because some politicians morons lied at first to make people not panic (they told us masks were useless ONLY BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAD STOCK BACK THEN. They told us it's ok to go to work at first BECAUSE THEY WAITED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE GOOD ADVICES TO SUCK THEIR RICH CEO FRIENDS DICKS) And now, even when they say things the scientists are actually saying, you don't belive them anymore. It's just like drugs: -Gov lied -People realised some of those lies were not true -People assumed everything the gov told was false -Some of them went into addicition because "muh I don't trust the gov now" The funny thing is: Scientists were the first ones to actually give us good advices. They were saying masks are USEFUL while gov was saying they aren't. Your problem is that you believe it's a big group of bad people hold hands... Scientists =/= Gov Gov =/= Big Pharma Big Pharma(corporate people) =/=scientists >I can't even talk to people IRL anymore because I am a far-right antivaxxer simply by virtue of me questioning the whole system that allowed untested medicine to be sold a a bulletproof miracle drug. In Europe, we are developping a non-RNA vaccin for people like you who don't trust RNA. But as soon as it was announced, they flipped from "I don't trust the RNA" to "I don't trust anything" so... don't know what we can do more. Maybe we'll buy a island and put all anti-vaxx so they can build their own "freedom country" while only killing their kind.

>In Europe, we are developping a non-RNA vaccin for people like you who don't trust RNA. But as soon as it was announced, they flipped from "I don't fake bullshit you just repeat cause you heard it and it sounds nice. Reality is a non-rmna approach got blocked for clinical trials already in first year of rona. And the russian version got blocked too under vague "might increase hiv risk from anal sex" Youre getting played by monopolies that price hike you and you eat it up

>>53741 Can you, like, stop speading bullshit you didn't even know about? https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_5784 They already signed the contract for doses. >And the russian version got blocked too under vague "might increase hiv risk from anal sex" Do you serisouly asume they ever had a working vaccine? It was a communication op... It never really worked good enough and that's why we don't give a soykaf about it. Idk where you found the "HIV from anal sex" stuff. >Youre getting played by monopolies that price hike you and you eat it up I don't get played by anybody. The vacc are already payed for where I am. You're the one doing rich-guys-dick-sucking by pretending it's all good and we should go back to work and consume like we used to do.

>The vacc are already payed for where I am. okay youre a worse than i though. You pay increased health care while you didnt see they increased prices mid rona. Now in your head? And the anal bs was a study that was waved arround when germany was about to get a charge of the russian one and the approval youre linking doesnt change that they denied a smaller company before.

>>53744 >youre linking doesnt change that they denied a smaller company before. Yeah but it called you BS out :) We are getting non-RNA vaccine but anti-vaxxers will still refuse to take even a look at it. It's just another "defensive" anti-social behavior by people who lost trust in society way before corona. I kind of understand them actually, but some morons keep feeding them BS for political reasons so they got caught into it.

>>53745 Again you heard it, nothing more. Is it true? You don't know. Factually they denied a non-rna vacc themselves when it threatened profits. Now that vaccination rates are 80%+ and they pushed their rna through under extra regulations under pretense of "we have no alternative" now you get to allow it...

>>53718 >I think unvaccinated people shouldn't get medical treatment Fine by me. Just give me back my tax money and you can shove your socialized healthcare up your ass.

>>53742 >I don't get played by anybody. The vacc are already payed for where I am. You paid for it with taxes or you will pay for it with inflation. The government does not produce anything. Everything the government has is stolen from citizens.

>>53748 >Everything the government has is stolen from citizens. You mean taxes right? The thing that paid the free school I went to. Or the free (for humans) insulin I gave to my sick cat for 2 years every single day? Or do you mean the thing that paid for the roads I drive on? Or maybe the free hospital I go to when I'm hurt? The free cancer treatment my grandpa received for a year before dying in a free room with free nurse? Or maybe the free TV stations without commercials at peak hours? Idk, maybe you mean the (almost)free diploma I just got? ($500 feel like free compared to US uni) :) I'm happy to pay my taxes because our country isn't as soykafty as the US or some other EU countries.

>>53750 (Before people tell me I don't pay taxes if I just got a diploma: I worked for 7 years before stopping because of COVID (quit), then I went on to get a diploma to have a better job)

>>53750 All pay taxes for everything means is you have no control over how much you pay. And more middle men means more wasted money. Be it government or corporations - bureaucrats bloat because everyone wants a cut so the efficiency goes down with time. I would agree that we are doing much better than US in EU but we are getting scammed too by unnecessarily high prices and outdated bloated processes. Its simply the nature of letting go of all control and having no option to opt out to kill bloated systems.

>>53739 What a deflection. "Reacting to the virus at all kills more people" is an entirely different attitude than the "trying to survive is weakness and stupidity" I'm reacting to here. The latter proves the former is hedging bullshit anyway. I don't believe most of you even care whether preventative measures really cause more harm. Even if you knew they saved lives overall, you would still choose to sacrifice those people in the name of defiance.

>>53752 Oh and to drive the point home: you can get equal services at lower taxes without leaving the eu. Most arent getting a good deal with the "free" taxfunded services.

>>53754 >Most arent getting a good deal with the "free" taxfunded services. Idk man, countries who don't pay as much taxes as we do don't look like they are getting a good deal lmao. Without free healthcare, people wait as long as they can before going to the doctor. Not really something I want to experience.

>>53755 2 things are wrong here. First EU has many countries where you pay healthcare and get your "free" healthcare. And given price gap its clear someone is paying too much. That was the argument and i dont know how you could miss it. Second private health care in EU is not expensive and better. Simple example i wanted a checkup, my mandatory "free" healthcare said 1month wait time so i asked about private and got it same week for 50€. I pay ~400€ into my mandatory... is that sensible? Its clearly bullshit. Why insider trade mandatory when its cheaper and better to pay out of pocket?

>>53756 What you don't see is the side effects of non-free healthcare systems. Of course you'll have better service, of course it can be great for people who can pay.. But what about people who can't pay? That's how you get a higher crime rate :) Poor people become more and more devastated, will be willing to do illegal soykafs to stay alive, more insecurity for you.

>>53753 you cant even read. Not saving more people, different people. The avg dead was close to live expectancy, the suicides and mental cases are younger people. Is it a good trade? Saving 5years left protecting pensioneers who should be anyway retired at home vs 40years on a younger adult who could work and fuarrrking education which will wreck next current younger gen as they enter jobs. Just admit you repeat what you got told by tv. Otherwise i wouldn't have to mention the obvious that has been pointed out already now almost 2 years ago.

>>53758 I (>>53757 >>53751 >>53750 ) am not >>53753 for the record.

>>53757 The entire point is given said information you should consider how much cheaper said "free" health care should be. The tldr is you arent getting competive pricing. They simply take more from you and the money doesnt go to poor people. The system is run like a stocktraded biz where ceos get payouts for generating more money. Literal saw in news papers record money saved leading to ceos getting payouts while we have currently a crisis of filled hospitals as they reduced beds. Thats the "free" health care system we have- no oversight full exploit mode on.

>>53760 Still better than the US healthcare system. You assume our system can get better.. while I will most likely lose our free system for a private one sooner or later, giving even more money to CEOs lol. We can't fight for a better system while also fighting to keep it from becoming worse from corporates attacks.

>>53761 Oh i would totally agree that fighting is pointless. Unrealistic to win the media war to convince the public. That's why on individual basis most people just leave for a better country that has already better terms. I was personally already in a new one which is why im more aware of the difference as i already shopped but then covid hit and i had to crawl back in case anything happens. Thought np just hold out a quarter and then leave again but here we are.. stuck again in same soykafhole draining my pockets.

ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY INFORMATION ALEX JONES RELEASES SATURDAY VIDEO EXPLAINING THE ENTIRE SITUATION IN SUM THIS INFORMATION CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE SPREAD AND DISTRIBUTE https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=61a2d6e091e3df6cfc414aa1

>>53763 shut the fuarrrk up crazy guy

>>53758 >you cant even read. Not saving more people, different people. Nitpicking. The distinction of volume vs groups has no bearing on what I said. I don't think you read past that first quote honestly. My point still stands, if you care to go back and read the rest of it; this isn't actually the crux of the issue for most of you, it's just a smokescreen. >Just admit you repeat what you got told by tv. Otherwise i wouldn't have to mention the obvious that has been pointed out already now almost 2 years ago. I stopped watching any news network in 2016, and do not own or use a television. You're the one copy pasting stale talking points that aren't relevant and don't even matter to you.

>>53763 ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY INFO: SOME ACTOR PLAYING A ROLE TO SELL USELESS SUPPLEMENTS TO STAY AT HOME WIVES, USING FEAR TO MAKE THE BUY, WILL RELEASES SATURDAY ANOTHER USELESS VIDEO OF HIM BEING MAD AT, IDK, GAY FROGS OR SOMETHING, BUT IT WILL TOTALLY PROVE A CONSPIRACY BEHIND COVID OR SOME SHIT.

>>53718 Does reddit attract idiots or does it make people into idiots? Was I an idiot while I was still a chronic redditor? I sort of agree. The treatment Covid patients get in hospital is a joke. Sticking Covid patients in emergency ICU beds like we were on week 1 of the pandemic while knowing what we know now is a joke. Blaming the people getting sick with a virulent respiratory illness for the mismanagement of public health resources is utterly stupid. It's not their fault, all they did was inhale at a grocery store. The kind, compassionate and enlightened redditor you've shared with us wants to reallocate healthcare resources explicitly as a way to punish people he doesn't like. Lowly braindead serf I am, I want emergency healthcare resources to be reallocated to deal with emergencies.

>>53764 Make me, you drone

>>53742 For the majority of the timespan since March 2020 lockdowns and restrictions (here where I live, as well as neighbouring countries) have lead mainly do the closings of leisure activity facilities and restaurants. No one ever stopped working, except for maybe being in quarantine giving people an excuse to stay home. People are also still consuming like they used to, but instead they consume even more media and order things or food. Coincidentally, large corporations like amazon have seen more profit when every smaller company was despairing about its future existence (more like possible future inexistance) during times of lockdown. Now this increased consumption doesn't apply to everyone, but the profits are undeniable and you can just ask around how people dealt with their consumption when it wasn't possible to just go into a shop. All the incentives are perfectly aligned, not only for big pharma, who have already always been making a killing. Pharmacies get ridiculous renumeration for tests (somebody I know has said he will be able to pay his loans for his house because of these tests). Big tech naturally gets more money.

Imagine not being able to get vaccinated because it would be too dangerous because of your allergies, but at the same time not being able to get a medical exemption to participate in society again. Imagine being denied all means to survive, from working to getting healthcare. It's an unbelievable reality panning out in Australia and definitely sure to follow elsewhere. https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/darkhorse-podcast-with-betty-pezzimenti:a

>>53765 >you dont reaally mean that so this argument doesnt count tehee has to be the most copout way to deal with things you have no answer for.

>>53750 >I'm happy to pay my taxes because our country isn't as soykafty as the US or some other EU countries. You are either a parasite who is taking more than you put in (so you don't actually count as a net tax payer) or you are being exploited to subsidize other people's lifestyles. The reason democracy and the welfare state go hand in hand is because it is so easy to take $10 from one person and give $5 to 2 other people, permanently outvoting the first. >>53755 >Without free healthcare, people wait as long as they can before going to the doctor. Not really something I want to experience. Dude I have to wait 6 weeks to get a 5 minute phone call with a NHS doctor. Socialized healthcare is a monopoly and monopolies are soykaf because there are no market forces acting on them to make them improve. I can't just stop paying taxes and switch to a competitor, they will literally put me in jail. If you are forced to pay regardless of how bad the service is then obviously the service will always be bad. >>53757 >But what about people who can't pay? The market will find a way to cut costs and offer cheaper service for such people. (As long as government regulation doesn't get in the way). The same way literally anyone can now afford a car, tv, smartphone etc. Anyone would be able to afford some kind of healthcare in a truly free market system. >>53767 >Does reddit attract idiots or does it make people into idiots? When you think about it reddit is basically a propaganda mill, rewarding people for saying the "correct" thing with upvotes and punishing people for saying the "wrong" thing with downvotes. What seems to be happening here is that they can't keep a lid on the fact that the vaccines are failing to protect people from covid like they promised so they want the masses to blame the unvaccinated instead of the government/media/pharma complex that has been lying to them for 2 years.

>>53740 >Government officials who have close ties to the technology or companies they wrote a blank check to, for a product sight unseen. >what? Seriously I don't understand what you are trying to say here (can be my fault here, I'm not native english) The US government pre-ordered doses of a vaccine that had not even been produced or tested. This should have been a red flag. Instead, Pfizer stock jumped. >In Europe, we are developing a non-RNA vaccine for people like you who don't trust RNA. That was all I asked for, but everyone said to just blindly trust pfizer and fauci, and if you don't you are an idiot. The president of USA even called people who refused the pfizer vaccine idiots. I agree that COVID has serious health effects, but treatment and vaccination are hindered by poor information and politics. Like you said with the war on drugs. People think weed is harmless and then can't figure out why all the THC they have in their system has damaged their brain because initially the government gave bad info an so the inverse of what the government must be true.

>>53778 >The market will find a way to cut costs and offer cheaper service for such people. (As long as government regulation doesn't get in the way). The same way literally anyone can now afford a car, tv, smartphone etc. Anyone would be able to afford some kind of healthcare in a truly free market system. Thats called selling on credit, People basically rent their phones and TVs. Healthcare is much the same. People are overcharged and have to routinely pay bills or they get fuarrrked.

>>53780 You kind of missed the main point which is that using the threat of violence to force strangers to pay for your healthcare is something fundamentally immoral. If you are on the receiving end you should be ashamed and if you are on the exploited end you should be angry. >People are overcharged and have to routinely pay bills or they get fuarrrked. If there is competition then you can't "overcharge" because someone will just undercut you. >Thats called selling on credit, People basically rent their phones and TVs. What some (stupid) people do is beside the point. You can buy a smartphone for $50, a 4K screen for $200 and a car for $500. So you have to admit that lack of money does not prevent anyone from owning these items. So why would healthcare be different?

>>53781 Saying that ferraris are $200K therefor nobody can afford a car is a flawed argument. A free market will always adapt to what people can afford. $500 won't get you from 0-60 in 3 seconds but it will get you something.

>>53778 >The same way literally anyone can now afford a car, tv, smartphone etc. Anyone would be able to afford some kind of healthcare in a truly free market system. Healthcare markets literally cannot be "truly free". Demand is comparatively inelastic, knowledge is held mostly by the provider and the distribution of supply is geographically extremely limited. Those three factors directly contradict core axioms of a free market. Price discovery would be a pathetically easy exercise in a completely deregulated healthcare industry.

Oh no! Looks like it's a (((new variant)))

>>53778 >The same way literally anyone can now afford a car, tv, smartphone etc. the "literally" in this sentence makes it invalid, for obvious reasons.

>>53786 Let's see if vaccine immunity refuses to work against this one too

So I sit typing this at the school where I work. Due to 'Omicron', the crooked Government called for a press conference last friday to discuss the re-implemention of some earlier rules to 'promote health and well-being'. Since according to the (((numbers))), most of the infections took place at school, starting today, children all ages 10 and up are forced to wear a mouthmask in the schoolbuilding. Now, they've done this before, but I managed to avoid being the vicinity of places where this was demanded during that time. Now, my work with these children demands me to be here and now I am confronted with and forced to see this absolute humiliating and ridiculous method for what it is: child abuse, plain and simple. I saw a boy and a girl, probably around 11 year old, running from one place to another. They both didn't wear their mouthmasks. While the boy was smiling and running (obviously not giving a damn like anyone should) the girl was looking very worried and scared, while she tried to cover her mouth by pulling her sweater up. The moment didn't last for more than a few seconds, but this has cut me deep. The girl is scared so much by this bullshit that it's highly likely she'll suffer some long last mental anguis from this, not to mention the fact that she is suffering already now, at the tender age of 11. Now, she isn't the only one since a whole generation of children is growing up in this absolute ridiculous and horrific soykafshow that's called COVID-19. Yet, the people lap it up. They'll willingly humiliate and hurt their children by forcing them to comply. All for a meme-flu.

>>53801 It's saddening. All of it is saddening. Of course this extrapolizes to the general population. People are terrified and the fear runs deep. I wonder how long until someone comments that you are a conspiracy retard and should feel bad. Although that would only further your point.

>>53801 it certainly does feel like nobody is considering how badly this will fuarrrk up young children, especially the fact that many of them have been forced to be around their abusive parents all day. Expect a generation of teenagers who are absolutely terrified of the world. As if the current crop isn't enough already.

>>53801 The girl could be living with a parent with a compromised immune system or visits a grandparent. These sort of situations are to be expected when you face reality in daily life.

>>53810 Or maybe constant fear mongering in the media frightened her and everyone around her to create unnecessary social measures that don't even work?

>>53805 >>53810 While there is a certain possibility of this, I have found that some ethnic groups tend to almost express paranoia towards the idea of not wearing a mask. Despite the fact that the mask does not protect you unless you are literally wearing an industry certified particle respirator (which most people don't because they are generally not comfortable) IIRC the only equivalent is a double layer tight fitting cloth mask. Which once again is not comfortable when worn properly. The news did an interview with children and they expressed how the mask will keep them safe, and other rhetoric parroted by parents. I tend to wear a mask around immunocompromised or elderly, but generally I don't if people around me are not wearing one (wearing a cloth mask will not prevent the wearer form getting sick, just reduction in transmission to others). I get heavily judged by generally Hispanic and european people for not wearing one. My prerogative is that if people aren't wearing PPE correctly to begin with, there is no point in me acting the part. If I really cared all that, I would wear appropriate rated PPE that I have actually been fitted for. As for the treatment of children, I can empathize with immunocompromised individuals in the family. But I also express that there is a time and a place to wear PPE, and being afraid of the world is not going to make the bad things go away. Also it isn't hard to teach kids when PPE will and won't work, but parents themselves are uninformed, lazy, and cannot explain to their children what works and what does not. I genuinely feel bad for all of the children I see on a regular basis being told lies by their parents because of politics and unbelievable stupidity and misinformation. I recently heard parents complaining about school staff incentivizing getting the vax, and parents complaining that their children have previously had severe allergic reactions and have been told by their own doctors not to get it. Sometimes I just want to crawl under a rock and hope everything goes away. I worked with infected people for months without infection due to wearing appropriate PPE and in the end, I got COVID from a coworker who would go out partying all the time, who believed that masks were some kind of hoax to dumb down society and they will kill brain cells with increased CO2 intake. I hate being the only one actually professionally versed in virology and infectious diseases at my job.

>>53819 I misspoke about the double layer mask, I meant to say it functions to inhibit widespread transmission not that it is equivalent to a respirator

just get the vaccine you morons

>>53801 People have realized that the authoritarian rules to 'promote health and well-being' are not about heath or well-being Protests in Rome https://nitter.net/alexsalvinews/status/1462425709645688835? Zagreb, Croatia https://nitter.net/Kukicat7/status/1462140466833633284? Melbourne https://nitter.net/aginnt/status/1461106539784282112? Czech Republic https://nitter.net/EliseiNicole/status/1461218587574779905? Austria https://nitter.net/EliseiNicole/status/1461069497994035204? Just because corporate media is silent or pretending that the protests are insignificant,racist or some extremist group doesn't mean they are not happening.They are gaining momentum as more & more people keep joining them, do not let some cum guzzling GLOWniggerglitterboys on Imageboards & social media blackpill you,there is mass noncompliance & the narrative is falling apart regardless of whichever new Greek alphabet variant they conjure up this time .

>>53819 the worst part is how people nowadays wear masks *when outside* to keep up appearances but take it off inside as fast as they can. It's so pointless.

I know this has been said a million times already, but just tell me, if there really is some dangerous pandemic going on then why do you only notice it if you read the news? I'm so tired of this bullshit (((pandemic))), this will probably never end since they can always just come up with (((new variants))). And people eat it up like candy. I stopped reading the (((news))) a few moths ago.

>>53827 >then why do you only notice it if you read the news? I know multiple people who have gotten seriously ill from it.

>>53825 >Just because corporate media is silent or pretending that the protests are insignificant,racist or some extremist group doesn't mean they are not happening. They ARE insignificant. I bet it's the first protest of your life. But idc anymore, this thread is a huge waste of time and bandwith, you can cry all you want for nothing. Protesting against a vaccine is a weird hill to die on.

>>53821 Kindly refer to this song in response to your ad hominem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AbeALNVkk

>>53831 They aren't. Protests don't happen in this frequency and intensity when nothing is up. People are tired and depending on the country, are getting driven more and more into a corner. >Protesting against a vaccine is a weird hill to die on It isn't. You could in fact insert any measure that violates your bodily autonomy, human dignity or any other universal human right, vaccine mandates just happened to violate these. These people are protecting a status quo they find important and don't want to lose, which irrespective what you think about the vaccine is respectable. It's not a waste, because this is where people become aware that other think like them/unlike them. It's the classical exchange of ideas. If this is a waste of time, everything on lainchan is. You're free not to participate if you dislike it so much.

>>53738 >death cultist Quoted here. Is acknowledging a universal fact of life a cult now? Is anything besides being a hive-minded afraid moron a cult these days? >as if the people not wanting to die from something stupid and avoidable are the crazy ones The jab isn't going to keep you from dying even from covid, idiot. As if any of these wimpy covid fear cultists would give a soykaf about poor people being send to war and returning handicapped to die in the streets, or about hunger, how a whole generation is being ruined by propaganda, government brutality and disrespect, etc. Have these gone old already, kid? Do you see masses of consumist idiots advocating for anything fair or responsible ever? Do you see politicians taking care of actual problems that have been affecting people since the dawn of times? No, you don't. And yet you stand were you are. Why? Because you, as the majority of middle class sheeple out there, only give a soykaf about stuff that can possibly affect some of your peers or something. You don't care if some thousand of babies in Somalia are starving, infested with some pest. You don't care if millions are dying and suffering because nobody cares. But now, wow, such a magical thing happened! Suddenly, a mass of useless retards care about healthcare system!

>>53825 Alo brajo ša ima

>>53804 I really want to discuss the methods and their (in)efficiency with people who follow the orders. Whenever I do, I realize that - as you said - the people are terrified and I am unable to release them from their mental prison: they _WANT_ to stay there and despite all the humiliation they're made to endure, they choose to remain it. It's disheartening for me that it's mostly themselves who choose to remain in it. This whole ordeal has made me realize that fear has powerful paralyzing capabilities and I guess most people now are driven by fear rather than courage. What ticks me off most is that fear is seen as a virtue while courage is seen as a vice. That last sentence certainly makes sense when rationalized from the perspective of the so called 'rulers' who benefit from a fearful population. I just hope we come out stronger as a species from this crisis. >I wonder how long until someone comments that you are a conspiracy retard and should feel bad. Around 9 hours, >>53805 You argument is made in bad faith. Please consider debating me on my central point instead of shifting goalposts and sneering. >>53805 Oh, the ones behind this hoax know perfectly well how damaging this is to a developing brain. From the top of my head: - Not learning how to recognize facial expressions. - Learning that compliance to 'the rulers' is the norm. - Mental anguish because they see that most of the population is fine with complying to ridiculous rules. - More diseases and sickness because of the mouthmask (since it's proven that wearing a mouthcloth increases bacteria count in your mouth region, leading to sickness and disease). - Being hampered in their normal development, because of all the restrictions on life. And I haven't even started about the horrible effects of an experimental mRNA-vaccine, which they are trying to force on children now. The reason they try to push this so hard, has all to do with the unravelling of their bullshit narrative, and their desire to make as many people buy into this story before it all falls apart. >>53825 That's a good post and I really see a change happening as well. Thank you for the whitepill. My country started protesting back in january and it's been restless ever since. Last weeks saw more protests and riots, to the point that it almost came close to an Uprising. And then SUDDENLY we have the Omigod-variant from Botswana. What a coincidence!

>>53753 Also, rejecting covid vaccines, government measures and mandatory covid pass is not just a matter of surviving, is a matter of living and dying with dignity. Saving fat, old, sick, mostly useless consumers is not survival. They wouldn't survive in any remotely harsh conditions anyway. Again, imposing secret guy juice to every healthy human being on the planet because corona can kill your fuarrrking 105 yo grandma is very retarded and an awful move for humanity. Trying to "save" people that are doomed to not walk the earth for so long is going to cost the little freedom we may have. Forever, maybe. And, really, if you are a healthy young man, just rejoice that you're not in the 40s, this joke only kills less than 1% of people. The future WOULD depend on you if you weren't such a faget that already gave up on any notion of honor/bravery/self respect. So just let them jab you. Go on. We'll see in a few years if they'll leave you alone.

>>53845 I made a mistake > >Around 9 hours, >>53805 Was to be directed at > >53810

>>53845 >- Not learning how to recognize facial expressions. wouldn't they get *better* at it from having less information? Reading facial expressions from eyes alone is harder but definitely possible. >- Learning that compliance to 'the rulers' is the norm. >- Mental anguish because they see that most of the population is fine with complying to ridiculous rules. these have both been in place and very effective since the 1950's. >- More diseases and sickness because of the mouthmask (since it's proven that wearing a mouthcloth increases bacteria count in your mouth region, leading to sickness and disease). >- Being hampered in their normal development, because of all the restrictions on life. these are the only legitimate ones you have listed

Signing up for my booster shot, thoughts?

>>53858 How are you better reading face if all you see is eyes and expression are ambigious without mouth? It just invalidates the information from the eye expression. At best you get a culture with a eye fetish and stunted expressions because everyone discarded mouth as part of the expression which limits the range.

>catch covid in early 2020 >headache, fever, muscle ache >14 days quarantine, police doing grocery shopping for me lmao >completely healthy after 3 days >vaccines finally developed >get vaccinated because why not? >the same symptoms, just milder >completely fine the next day >reading all the nonsense on-line >reading all the nonsense in this thread >not even laughing anymore Seriously, just get a shot so this crap can end already. Funny thing is, I caught a sars-cov 1 variant around 2015 and that thing was far, far more potent than the 2019 version. I'm hilariously fit and I was basically in bed for about a week and it took me 3 weeks to get back to full health. That thing was genuinely dangerous.

>>53861 > I caught a sars-cov 1 variant around 2015 and that thing was far, far more potent than the 2019 version. yeah no soykaf, SARS had a death rate of ~10%. COVID, if you dont count old farts and people who were more dead than alive in general, is what, 0.1% at best? That's also the reason why COVID spread so much while SARS never got big, if you got infected with SARS you noticed and fast, if you get COVID you're likely to not even realize you catched it and spread it to a lot of other people. >Seriously, just get a shot so this crap can end already I'm 20, fit and in good health, i'm never going to. You're beyond naive to think that the vaccines will end this crap, they're ineffective after few months and the variants dont help either. There are places in Europe with 85+% vaccination rates that are enforcing lockdowns again.

>>53861 Did you miss spike inhibiting DNA repair? The damage you got from it might come out a decade later as cancer.

>>53862 Things would have been better in global total death rate if SARS-Cov-2 was more deadly than SARS. Too bad. Might be too late. Imagine if it for some reason combined with SARS (which is something viruses can do) and people still ignored it saying 10% isn't anything.

>>53863 DNA repair isn't as important as cell death in preventing cancer. Cancer grows when the cells don't die. I some time ago was on an antibiotic that has mutogenic effects meaning it potentially causes cellular mutations.

>>53866 Preventing repair = allowing mutations. Cancer = unlucky mutation that prevents cell dead Repair is directly linked to % to develop cancer.

>>53861 >"I didn't have any bad symptoms (yet) so its okay" >"I didn't read any scientific papers ITT, just ignored those" Giving such knee jerk reactions and statements just makes me aware how oblivious you must be about everything in your life

>>53860 >How are you better reading face if all you see is eyes and expression are ambigious without mouth? it's not ambiguous, and generally when people are forced to make do with less they get a lot better at it. >At best you get a culture with a eye fetish and stunted expressions because everyone discarded mouth as part of the expression which limits the range. Do you think Muslim people can't parse female facial expressions too?

I'm almost thankful covid changed the world to what it is today, since at least as a positive, children will learn the valuable survival skill of Reading Half of a Facial Expression

>>53869 image is what happens

>>53861 >catch covid in early 2020 >headache, fever, muscle ache >vaccines finally developed >get vaccinated because why not? >the same symptoms, just milder >completely fine the next day >reading all the nonsense on-line >reading all the nonsense in this thread >not even laughing anymore Same, but what do we even know, right? Let's continue politicizing this bullshit to realize arbitrary goals of the ruling class. >>53868 >"I didn't have any bad symptoms (yet) so its okay" To be honest if nothing happened so far the chance of something bad happening later is low. Cells degrade both the mRNA and the protein produced by it quickly in a matter of days. I start thinking that only weak people with faulty immune system die from the vaccine, lol. Even my 90 years old grand grandmother took 3 doses so far.

>>53874 >adding "lol" after the sentence Long time no see, so you came back for more? So funny seeing you argue from different angles. And also sad that you get this rush from doing this. Must be like your vietnam or something.

>>53873 Stop wasting your time with them, they can't understand simple logic yet will deny common sense at every chance they get. They will tell you to "read a book" but not those evil ones, and you cant cite those studies that prove th wrong.

>>53872 And they will also live in a world that is a weird amalgamation of 1984, Brave new world, Fahrenheit 451 and Animal farm. And you're a bigot if you try to defy them.

>>53867 >Preventing repair = allowing mutations. >Cancer = unlucky mutation that prevents cell dead >Repair is directly linked to % to develop cancer. I suppose it's one factor yes. I've been sleep deprived and it's been a while since I researched cancer. However I don't see where the spike protein influencing DNA repair talk came from. It was mentioned but no previous mention like it was referred to. From the post it was a reply to I can't tell if it's referring to SARS or SARS-COV-2.

Did anybody see this movie besides me? I swear it half assed predicted covid.

>>53893 i saw it and i enjoyed it; i thought it pretty realistically delt with various aspects of dealing with a pandemic such as the difficulty of coming up with a uniform policy at the federal level.

>>53487 this is the most smooth brain take on science. The anon you're replying to is correct. Science require a philosophical discourse to legitimize it and consequently does require belief. You should investigate the history of science to really see this point. If you're skeptical on the claims of peer reviewed studies then you should be working in a lab replicating studies and not posting on this board image macros.

>>53894 Yeah definitely did a good job of portraying how things would go down with a killer air born virus was loose. The fact it's so similar to covid just means they did their research.

>>53893 There is actually a book that predicted covid. Literally has story "virus from lab in wuhan spreads round globe" made news for a short duration in first year first quarter. Was a story somewhere ~march first year of cov

people in austria are getting organised and conducting strikes it will be interesting to see how much resistance there will be that the media is not at all talking about it shows that they don't want to fan the flames this is only the beginning, another strike is announced starting on 12.12. even though there are people with questionable beliefs participating, the core idea is to prevent the vaccine mandate godspeed!

>>53899 There isn't really evidence it leaked from a lab. There is too many steps involved to make that happen and there would be past scientific papers about that virus or a predecessor but no one has claimed to find any. What may be more plausible is a person that works for the lab contracted the virus while doing field work which makes more sense how it would occur. But also could be nothing to do with the lab or anyone that works for it.

>>53903 There is enough evidence. People working in said lab already warned about lack of safety measures years before and its sequence hints at being artificial by simple statistics. In addition they literally did corona research in that lab. All you are missing is a guy admitting it directly which is an insane order to make.

>>53903 There is no evidence that Covid had a natural crossover from an animal species. So, given the general lack of evidence and that one of these things is the case, which lack of evidence is more conspicuous? Can the lack of evidence itself be evidence of something else? For a virus to make a jump between animal physiology it would undergo a process of "learning" about the new environment it finds itself in, this would take the form of (most likely) an isolated outbreak of a virus which isn't all that great at spreading or doing damage. There is no proto-C19, or if there was we can't find it anywhere and that's not for lack of trying. This lack of evidence can only be explained by the "learning phase" happening out of sight somewhere (like in humanized lab animals) or our entire model of evolution doesn't function. What, in your opinion would be the likely evidence left by a lab-leak event and what would make that lack of evidence conspicuous?

https://www.infowars.com/posts/fda-document-deems-pfizer-vaccine-favorable-despite-long-list-of-adverse-events-from-jab-including-death/ A newly released FDA document concludes Pfizer’s Covid vaccine is “favorable” despite the document being loaded with bad reactions to the jab, including nervous system disorders, cardiac disorders, respiratory disorders, and even death. The document is reportedly part of the data the FDA based its Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on and specifically covers adverse events (AE) from Pfizer/BioNTech’s Covid vaccine (called BNT162b2) from December 1st, 2020 to February 28th, 2021. During that time, 42,086 adverse events and 1,223 deaths were recorded, meaning roughly 1 out of every 34 adverse events was fatal. 1/ Bombshell 🚨 As ordered by the courts the FDA must release the data it based it's EUA for the Pfizer shot. The FDA requested the courts to keep this information confidential for no oess than 55 YEARS!! The court returned with an order to release 500 documents a month. pic.twitter.com/CZI24LItfR — Gal Shalev 🎧 (@iGNORANTCHiMP) December 1, 2021 “Review of the available data for this cumulative PM experience, confirms a favorable benefit: risk balance for BNT162b2,” concludes the FDA document. Interestingly, the document itself warns of the limitations of “post-marketing adverse drug event reporting” and even admits that “the magnitude of underreporting is unknown.” Podcaster Gal Shalev describes what this could mean for the actual number of adverse events. 3/ Looking at the amount of AE’s recorded for the 42,000+ is jaw dropping. Whats worse, out of the recorded AE about 1:37 is death. That is isane. The FDA admits these are onky recorded AE that are considered above mild. There was so much more that wasn’t released. pic.twitter.com/OZi6GHDxmz — Gal Shalev 🎧 (@iGNORANTCHiMP) December 1, 2021 4/ Please keep in mind these are AE that we’re recorded in the first 3 months alone from December 1st to February 28. By all means and confirmed by Pfizer these are only “recorded AE” and there for it might be a small sample of the true number of AE’s that actually Took place. pic.twitter.com/5NCZ1wrnQX — Gal Shalev 🎧 (@iGNORANTCHiMP) December 1, 2021 Unfortunately, the document only allows the reader to calculate the ratio of deaths to adverse events and not the ratio of deaths to doses administered or shipped. This is because the FDA document redacted the number of doses shipped worldwide and did not mention the number of doses that were actually administered. “It is estimated that approximately (b)(4) doses of BNT162b2 were shipped worldwide from the receipt of the first temporary authorisation for emergency supply on 01 December 2020 through 28 February 2021.” According to the Administrative Conference’s website, exemption (b)(4) of FOIA permits agencies to withhold trade secrets and commercial or financial information considered privileged or confidential. The entire FDA document, complete with a litany of other adverse events associated with the vaccine, can be read below: This document became public after a nonprofit group sued the FDA for not releasing data from Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine biological product file. The group, Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, had earlier submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request calling on the FDA to release all the data the federal government relied upon in licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. Originally, the FDA wanted to wait 55 years to process the FOIA request.

>>53906 https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

>>53905 >Can the lack of evidence itself be evidence of something else? No. > this would take the form of (most likely) an isolated outbreak of a virus which isn't all that great at spreading or doing damage. Remember when covid was just starting and nobody thought it was significant? That might be your learning phase right there. >This lack of evidence can only be explained by the "learning phase" happening out of sight somewhere (like in humanized lab animals) or our entire model of evolution doesn't function. Its not *literally* the only explanation, or even the only plausible explanation. Bad luck is also plausible.

>>53876 >Long time no see, so you came back for more? Who are you referring to? Perhaps you confused me with someone. >So funny seeing you argue from different angles. Give me an example because I have no idea who are you talking about. >Must be like your vietnam or something. What vietnam? We don't have a vietnam in europe. Anyway, no matter who did you confuse me with, I indeed stopped visiting this website often, seeing how it quickly became infected by ideology, unironic schizophrenia and who knows what else. People who are dying from the vaccine would sooner or later either die from the virus, flu or a random stroke, that's what I think. Modern medicine has made us live longer but it also made the gene pool weaker. In the USA over 30% of the population is obese and I bet these are the people who die both from the vaccine and the virus. Why should I care for them if they're not respecting their own health? I'm healthy, my family is healthy, I had the virus and it was way worse than the vaccine. If weak people want to die from the virus instead - sure, whatever, just don't get in my way. Quick maths for you - everyone gets the vaccine, some die or no one gets the vaccine, people are living laboratories for making new virus strains, hospitals get full and run out of ventilators, they disconnect weak or old people anyway. Which is better? I'm just tired from all this bullshit, modern medicine really spoiled everyone and it appears for people that nothing is happening, because people die silently in hospitals instead of on streets. That's why I laugh, because people forgot they're mortal.

>>53915 >People who are dying from the vaccine would sooner or later either die from the virus, flu or a random stroke, that's what I think. In 2021 we had so many young athletes all around the world clutching their chests and collapsing midgame how could you possibly think that? https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/media-says-rise-soccer-players-suddenly-collapsing-just-coincidence

>>53461 Try finding high school biology books at your local library. I have also heard good things about Molecular Biology of the Gene by James Watson et al.

Anylain notice people getting more and more forgetful, especially elderly?

>>53919 No baseline. Would need to have lived through multiple elderly generations and interact with them a lot to be able to tell whats normal.

Is most people here antivax or just anti covid vax?

>>53926 Anti vax and anti covid vax are definitely two different pairs of shoes. Many people (including people I know personally) aren't anti vax but are suspicious of the new ones. In fact, many people who reject the new ones have already had a couple vaccinations in some earlier stage in life.

>>53926 personally definitely the latter. Its not even necessary on account of the vaxx itself. The way things are done it's after the war on drugs and the war on terrorism we now get the war on cov to destroy peoples rights. Different panic same result.

>>53919 People are not getting more forgetful, they're becoming irresponsible. And because they don't want to admit that they're irresponsible fvckwads, they say they "forgot". I know because I see it all the time in uni and school, and I used this excuse a few times myself, and I can see if someone actually forgot something. As to real forgetfulness: it can easily be remedied by writing things down or tying knots as reminders, people've done it for thousands of years, you can too. Also, training the brain by memorizing the multiplication table, or just simply remembering the individual prices of things you buy, and then comparing prices on the receipt helps immensely.

>>53838 >They aren't. Protests don't happen in this frequency and intensity when nothing is up. People are tired and depending on the country, are getting driven more and more into a corner. Idk, Ive regularly seen protests all around the world for some dumber soykaf than vaccines. Also Protests wont change the minds of government officials unless money is getting lost, or the politician making the rules genuinely listens (not likely) or is in genuine fear for his life. I've see politicians who held out until people were a few hours away from burning their houses down, at which point they went outside and said "you know what, maybe you have a point." >>53738 If by stupid and avoidable you mean living under a rock, breathing fresh filtered air and going 100% off the grid, then of course you can avoid dying from it. But a vaccine that was approved in less than a year, and is now going to take 75 years to confirm that the right decision was made based off of all the data that was supposedly reviewed (if it was, then why would it still need to be reviewed?) is not the optimal decision to make for all people. The narrative that ALL people NEED the vaccine is a blatant cash grab. People who have severe allergic reactions to components in the vaccine (possibly deadly) are being told to get it "to help other people." Even though people say there are religious or medical exemptions in many cases, Those exemptions wont stop people from discriminating based on not having a vaccination proof. >>53845 >I just hope we come out stronger as a species from this crisis. If nothing else, it shows peoples blind faith in authority. Media controlled fear mongering, the same since '01 and 9/11 or the cold war has become amplified a million times by the internet. Even the opposition uses fear. You're either afraid of a soykafty biolab flu, or afraid of tyrany, in some cases both. Free thought is seen as independence which is seen as not following the status quo and getting along with your peers. Because ideas themselves have become the enemy. New psychological studies have shown that the same fear response of facing wild predators is presented when people read posts by people who claim to be of a different ideological political party. That means saying you are liberal or conservative is the same as throwing someone into a lion enclosure at the zoo as far as the mind is concerned. >>53859 Do you have cancer, HIV, are you old? Sure, otherwise , just wait. Protip, antibodies should not be present in your bloodstream for eternity, Apparently scientists don't know how the immune system works. >>53893 Good Movie, the main point was that fear of the virus was more dangerous than the actual virus itself. I think had more people understood the movie they would have rationally responded to this pandemic. >>53903 The circumstantial evidence is sufficient to assume that it was. >Proximity to a lab known to work on the virus >Complexity of the virus, including the fact that there were attempts to enhance virility, or at least modify transmissibility >If you follow conspiracies, Virologists who got in trouble for research or stealing data on similar diseases. >Known lapses in safety protocol, lack of use of PPE (in a high level BSL lab) >Cover-ups at multiple levels, including the fact that politicians were saying there was no research, and then official administrations saying actually yes, but its too late to do anything now anyway. >>53911 >Bad luck is also plausible. This would have been astronomically low levels of probability. And in defense of the lab leak, there have been hundreds of lab leak infections of many different pathogens over the last few decades. Lab leaks are neither new, nor rare. The admission that COVID gain of function research was taking place in china is not exactly alarming (they have previously worked on making more devastating long term effects in nuclear weapons for seemingly pointless reasons).

>>53932 >The narrative that ALL people NEED the vaccine is a blatant cash grab They also want to destroy the control group. It is much harder to make up soykaf about how much worse things would be without the vaccines if there is a large population of people who didn't take the vaccines and are perfectly fine.

>>53929 >>53930 I've slowly been finding myself skeptical of vaccines entirely over the whole politicization and blatant bullshit from covid with how everything is being mandated and about absolute control. I also was weird about some of these newer ones that was forced upon students a few years after I graduated from high school. My siblings weren't even allowed to graduate until getting them. Now I hear that babies are denied healthcare if they don't get the "recommended" vaccines. The medical field is an absolute sham and pisses me off more and more by the day. Big pharma and their bullshit needs to fuarrrk off and end! So many problems would be simply fixed with the full legalization of marijuana and other various drugs that they have waged a war on as you mentioned in one of your posts. I hate both sides of the political spectrum and find politicians disgusting to the core.

I noticed many people don't know the difference between the mRNA nanolipid vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna..) and the adeno viral vector vaccines (Johnson&Johnson, AstraZenaca) and between the two mentioned viral vector types they use a different adeno virus so they even differ between themselves. The mRNA and vector types are transported a different way. Also there is a third type which is an earlier used vaccine technology by Novavax.

>>53937 The media and the Big Pharma also want to obfuscate the side-effects of the vaccines. For example, If your first jab is vaccine X and the second Y, then it's hard to prove that it was X that caused the possible long-term side effects.

>>53938 I was saying people are uneducated on how vaccines and viruses work. I've seen fears of the mRNA vaccines being incorrectly applied to the viral vector vaccines even though they aren't exactly the same in every regard. The viral vectors dont use the nanolipids some people were concerned about it uses the shell of a cold virus for delivery into human cells. The J&J uses a rare human cold virus for delivery and I think ive read the AstraZenaca uses a chimpanzee cold virus shell for delivery. The Novavax uses a spike protein from the SARS-COV-2 virus itself which is called a subunit vaccine. Just to be clear the newer used vaccine types are faster to manufacture because they dont require culturing so it's not a conspiracy they appeared before vaccines like the subunit Novavax has been working on which is why every country just about got on the newer vaccine tech being it's ideal for epidemic and pandemic response as far as timeliness goes. Though yes, it's fair enough to suspect if vaccines being mixed is encouraged it makes it harder to tell which had any side effect if any is present.

>>53939 It obviously depends of what you are afraid of. If your hypothesis is spike is dangerous then it doesn't matter how its delivered. In other news there is actually an alternative in development that merely relies on peptides. Im really curious if they let them pass or will continue to monopolize the market.

>>53939 >>53937 Does huffing your own farts smell that nice tho? You just look like a dweeb ngl

>>53932 >Ive regularly seen protests all around the world for some dumber soykaf than vaccines. Yea I also agree, black people are kinda pompous