covid discussion 5.0

THREE SHOTS How many more """booster shots""" are you willing to take to be considered """fully vaccinated"""??? >the White House is advising a booster shot eight months after a person’s second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, starting September 20th. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/16/booster-shot-coronavirus/ Everyone knows the side effects of the second shot are worse than the first. What about the third? Fourth? Sixth? The moment they started using our tax money to pay for shots that hadn't even been tested a SINGLE YEAR, I knew we were being scammed. In my city, we have no mask mandates, no vaccine mandate, and we are having a seasonal spike in covid (same time as the lockdown lunatics in NY or Cali). But there have been ZERO DEATHS. I am 100% over covid panic and I'm ashamed I was ever conned by this bourgeois scam. The war on covid is no different than the war on terror or the war on drugs. It is a protection racket. The capitalists ship crack into the ghetto, give weapons and training to terrorists, did 9/11, and deliberately let COVID out of a lab and then they say we have to give our freedom up to them so they can protect us from their own actions. If you want to prevent people catching novel viruses, you shouldn't "stay inside" and "be safe." You should rise up and kill the fuarrrking capitalists before they kill us. If you're worried about your safety, be worried that the capitalists want to enslave us all, slavery is worse for your health than any virus. Don't be worried about their PSYOP flu.

>discussion You misspelled schizo screeching.

>>48967 Ironic coming from JC Denton

>>48964 While you can go full schizo and conspiracy theorist on this, all that I really learned in last few years is this. Before covid I thought people in charge were malicious but intelligent. Now I know they both are malicious and dumb. Which in a weird way is freeing. But really, no I can't imagine there being some complex strategy to covid. It's basically a virus starting in China by accident, which alright, I guess sometimes things like that happen, then it spread further which is bad but it still could be contained, but then you had a total soykafshow where essentially world travel could have been halted for a month or two and this whole thing would be over, but gotta earn that money. Then you had the bizarre lockdowns that ended and started every month. Then you have the vaccines which the producers know full well they don't know what are the effects of it in few years since they only had less than a year to test it. It's honestly a soykafshow.

>>48970 A reasonable response? On *my* lainchan?

>>48970 I concur. >>48971 Interesting format you have there.

>>48964 while concern is warranted, consider that the vaccine has recieved more test data in a given year than any vaccine in history. Also I am yet to hear a single hypothesis about why "they want to take away our freedoms". Do you really think there is some machiavellian plot to do nothing but increase human misery? Controlling people is expensive and requires something like a nationalistic sense of shame, similar to the century of humiliation. It also means cutting a country off from its allies. Your conspiracy is boring, at least come up with something like, china let the leak get out of hand so it could dominate the global property market instead of reeling off the same old half life 2 fan fiction.

The flavour of this OP is entirely different from previous ones. Your post reads like propaganda. In any case, by the time most people get b00ster shots (around October by my count) there's already gonna be so much death and destruction that it won't even really matter. Most kids my age seem to be in the 'whatever just let it rip' bandwagon now since the varus escaped vaccine control. Nobody (and I mean _nobody_) is gonna stand for another year of all this half-assed lockdown nonsense, people only justified it to themselves by saying it was temporary. When such a state is not temporary, it becomes clear that it would be better to have a few months of death than two years of death. >>48970 >Before covid I thought people in charge were malicious but intelligent. Now I know they both are malicious and dumb. This is right on the money. >>48975 >Controlling people is expensive and requires something like a nationalistic sense of shame, similar to the century of humiliation. controlling people also has great big upsides, such as suppressing attempts to overthrow your regime. Of course, control is usually short-lived. Fascism has proven to be one of the most unstable, self-(and other-)destructive tendencies among nations.

>>48973 The same we've been using for emails since the 80s. There's a reason markdown chose that.

>>48964 If there is something I learned in the recent years, is that to every large message there's some kind of financial interest. No matter the side it comes from, no matter the times, there's always someone interested, someone who wins from covid. That's also true for the covid panic. The ones who win here is clear: pharmaceutical companies, selling vaccines, masks, Desinfection liquids and gels, and medical equipment. The universities, institutes receive grant money for researching the virus. Media companies, receiving tons of revenue from millions of clicks on their panic inducing headlines, sucking up people into the whirlwind of attention grabbing articles. Covid provides an unending source of income. Now, what about the other side? This is a valid question, after all. Every major group/person follows an inherent interest, but what interest do extremist and conspiracy theorist groups follow? They want to divide society, and create a following, that they can tell anything. This means they can also sell merch, access, information, adspace, etc. It's all another flock of media companies and influencers, monetizing the fear of the masses. Another group that benefits from this is traditional media companies, that can churn out new headlines about the dangerous extremists and tinfoil hats. And it's ridiculous to say that these conspiracy peddlers are being 'silenced', or 'censored', as they always say, because even YouTube does almost nothing to stop them, on the contrary, they even monetize this content, which means they get paid for the controversy. Governments also profit from this divide in society, as it can be governed easier, and real critics that could pose a threat are easier to silence. A totalitarian regime is easier to impose upon a fractured society, indecisive, lost without a unifying goal. This is why all the counter groups and oppositionists are the other side of the exact same coin. It disgusted me to realise this, but it's also liberating, knowing that nothing truly matters, only your own survival disregard any pills, they're merely there to drag you back in. In short: Wait until the vaccine gets a little more testing, if you can. If you absolutely do not want it, look for ways to fake it, get your ass in Gear.

>>48980 What's more likely, if you had to choose. The powers at be deciding we have reached the vaccination quota and going back to normal Or A classed based civil war

>>48982 I'd say it's neither. If there will be conflict, it will be provoked and supplied by major players interested in civil wars, in order to further their own goals, to eliminate enemies, or simply to earn money. The world is in a period, where almost every major conflict traces back to some major power, and benefits them in some way. There will be no real revolution, and if it will be, it's going to be snuffed out by the other powers the very second it becomes a threat to the established power balance.

how come there is not a single soul speaking out about how much all of these cost ? just how much of tax payers money goes into paying these vaccines ? sure you cannot hide behind wanting to save precious lives of your livestock citizens right ?

>>48985 They just raised the price by 30% for the third shot in eu which means easy money. Its not that expensive on individual basis though 30€ . The profit margin will be huge either way, primary reason they really want mrna is its dirt cheap to produce compared to regular vaccination that requires you to grow a culture.

>>48987 In case anyone looks at 30€ and thinks meh. Remember Eu = 446m people. Even if only 25% vacc you get 111.5m*30€ = 3345 million in revenue. And thats for 1 shot. 3 shots = 10035million. Thats enough money to do anything to get it.

>How many more """booster shots""" are you willing to take to be considered """fully vaccinated"""??? I have not and I am not willing to take even the first vaccine, so none for me.

>>48984 So you're saying we just need backers?

>>48996 A War cannot be fought without material goods. A fighting force, however small it may be, needs shelter, provisions, heat and something to fight with. Wether you acquire what you need by stealing and exploiting the system, or you get it from a major player, is up to you. A highly motivated group that aims to carve out its own place in the world, disregarding the current power structure, would be quite refreshing, but i don't have high hopes for that. Such a group or individual would need the aforementioned Motivation in the first place, and that is an extremely rare trait nowadays. The few that have the motivation and discipline to bring change, use it to pull themselves up, using every possible way to ascend to a position of power. And being in a position to greatly benefit from the system inevitably takes away any incentive to change it. So, if your goal is to change the current system, or even to destroy it, you need not only backers, i would argue you don't even need backers at all, it would make it easier, but you could do without. But what you definitely need, is a strong will, motivation, Rock-solid Discipline, Indestructible Idealism, without loosing the eye for the realities of life, and a mindset that forces you to seek solutions, Not why something won't work, but how to make it work. And you must always strive to achieve the best possible result, within reasonable boundaries.

>>48985 "but think of the taxpayer!" people never seem worried about the budget overall, just their pet issue....

>>48998 i don't know what exactly you're criticizing, but concerning the connection between budget and taxpayers, a major part of governmental budget consists of tax revenue, especially from individual income and payroll tax. As to the overall budget, it is quite interesting to delve into it and try to make sense of all the spendings. If you dig around a bit, you can see quite a lot of unnecessary spending, and if you dig around these spendings, you can dig up quite an interesting rootwork. connection between government officials and company CEO's, family members, it is really fascinating to dig into it. But this sentiment is shared by few, quite a lot of people don't seem to be interested in digging around in budgets and financial recordings.

>>49001 >quite a lot of people don't seem to be interested in digging around in budgets and financial recordings. indeed, my point is that many of the people who are "concerned about the taxpayer" are also not really concerned about how the money is actually being spent. They just see some program they don't like and some dollar amount tied to it and decide that it's too expensive when in fact most taxpayer money is spent in very shady ways that don't have any publicity.

>>49002 very good point. It is the many little spendings, that amount to outrageous sums, basically stolen from the budget that is supposed to benefit the ones who finance it. I did not dig to deep into the US government spending, but germany spends incredible amounts of money on the repair and maintenance of its roads, even though they could be built in a proper way for a fraction of the cost it takes to maintain them for a decade.

>>49003 If you want a simple thread related example for germany - health insurance payments increased with a note of "its rona so we have to" but same year the leaders got a nice raise in salary while reporting record profits.

>>48970 >Before covid I thought people in charge were malicious but intelligent. Now I know they both are malicious and dumb. Couldn't have said it better.

>>48985 These vaccines are generating billions in profit for big pharma. Imagine, if we had spent that money on ending homelessness or literally anything beneficial to people's overall health, far more lives would be saved than these dogshit vaccines.

I'm being pressured by family and some friends to get vaxxed. What should I do lainons?

>>49051 Same here, and where I live it's very fuarrrked, they managed to brainwash everyone. People are literally posting instagram stories of themselves taking a shot just to say "government saves lives!" and "the vaccine works!" I've managed to resist so far but I'm certain they'll soon come knocking door-to-door. I've just been saying to them that I'm too busy working and studying to go out of my way to take it

>>49051 Moderate stance "if you wanna go vacation take it but otherwise its not worth it". Been cruising like that without trouble. It helps also when people believe you, nobody tries to fight me when i say "its just 60% efficiency like flu shot so whatever"

>>48980 >Media companies, receiving tons of revenue from millions of clicks on their panic inducing headlines, sucking up people into the whirlwind of attention grabbing articles. Covid provides an unending source of income. I would hardly call it "an unending source of income". Just think of it from the media consumer's perspective: hearing about some possibly life-threatening varus somewhere "out there", off of your immediate line of sight for almost 2 years non-stop must become mind-numbingly dull and tiring topic in no time for any normal layman. Just google trends shows that since last year's summer corona as a google-worthy topic has become less so than iphone and almost as interesting as football. What these news are more aptly inducing is indifference rather than panic: more like how >>48978 said >Most kids my age seem to be in the 'whatever just let it rip' bandwagon" Every normal people that I've spoken to in the last year or so has told me that we're now entering the "endgame" of the pandemic, despite the fact that corona has resurfaced once or twice already right after we had reached tolerable infection rates, reopened the borders and stopped all the other societal restictions on movement, gathering, business hours etc. Most of them think it's going to be over soon, so there is hardly any panic whatsoever. It's a feeling of more or less comfortable anxiety-laden numbness in purgatory where no future plans can be made due to how uncertain our circumstances are. Panic is what you do when the Gestapo is knocking on your door, when a meteor is going to hit your home town or when you run out of toilet paper.

>>48964 as a pharmacist, biologically, i agree with most of what you have stated, although it may have sounded as an irrational screeching to some others, the precentage of death is nearly not even noticeable and to add more, the consequences of the so called vaccines, are way more effective on the human body than the average covid case. are you willing to stand against it all militarily though? are you going to bear the psychological and ideological pressure against it all? are you willing to handle the consequences of standing against it all?

I live in former soviet lands and it has been mandatory to take malaria/encephalitis vaccine for state (corporate) employees before traveling into high biotic activity areas (tropics, taiga) for as long as vaccines for these exist, and recommended prophylactic practice for civilian travelers once the Iron Curtain fell, I ahve malaria because I have been on summer vacation in Egypt. Getting all the usual flu, rabies, hepatitis, tuberculosis (BCG and Mantoux reaction), smallpox (for older generations, they all have a particular crater-like spot on their shoulders) was a habitual practice for anyone going through standard childcare institutions starting from maternity hospital, kindergarten, school, army, trade college and university. Not sure why westerners make such a fuss out of vaccinations. Probably because in Western Europe personal and medical hygienic practices were more advanced, while vaccination has been completely optional, but the Soviet government decided to opt out for vaccinations and controlled exposure of population as measures of prevention while still being unable to provide higher personal hygiene standards immediately. Same happens today when United Nations started mass vaccinations in developing world where people still have hard time accessing reliable medical care, water or soap. And please, can you stop shooting those inane facebook and twitter screenshots at each other. It's nauseating, every chan I visit, supposedly unbiased anonymous free thinkers discuss this topic like they're robots, or paid provocateurs, over and over again regurgitating inane strawman arguments at each other, or do they think it's funny or something? I try to apply direct experience and rely on facts at sources, not funny "memes" of "based camp1" owning hard "cringe camp2" as a cheap source of emotional validation, and so i do recommend to you.

>>49058 >please stop what im doing O.o

>>49058 >Not sure why westerners make such a fuss out of vaccinations. We don't want the vaccine because it's rushed, made in stressful working conditions which are prone to errors, you have no way of even suing the corporations who make them, and all things considered there wasn't even a year to test them. >Probably because in Western Europe personal and medical hygienic practices were more advanced, while vaccination has been completely optional Stop smoking pot Ivan, majority of people both in the east and west were vaccinated because vaccinations, if done correctly are a good protection against various illness. I'm not against vax because it is simply vax. Also I honestly wonder where you came from if you think people in the past didn't have soap. My family comes from no name village in Poland and they always had soap and there perhaps is no other places who screeches about gommies stealing soap than Poland.

>>49058 Vaccines are poison.

>>49058 rus vacc has been outlawed in eu cause it increases aids risk from anal sex shortterm - thats the quality level eu operates on. Now imagine trusting this mess.

>>49058 Pic is how it's like to question why should I take it, and the "punks" point at you and say "Hey, look at this conspiracy theorist!" ironically this alone radicalized and made more people anti-vax than otherwise it would.

>>49062 Oh boy, here we go. >>48964 (OP) Facebook is on the second floor, third door on the left. [Spoiler]you need to go back [/Spoiler] >>49061 Good for you, if you can make such big boy decisions without suffering consequences from it. Where I live, I have to take the vaccine now, because else I need to be tested everytime I want to enter a public building that isn't a grocery store, and that also includes driving lessons and schools. And my local gubmint plans on discontinuing funding of official tests, (self testing doesn't count, lol) which means that I'll rack up a few thousands in test fees in no time. Go figure. >>49058 Reasonable and sensible stance on the whole situation. >>49057 Excellent question at the end. I will not stand against it, as I have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose from it. If someone wants to go full retard, please go ahead, but don't coerce others into fuarrrking their life just to make a stand that won't even change anything in the grand scheme of things.

>>49068 fuarrrk this, I won't try again. This formatting is like trying to piss into a perfume bottle.

>>49068 > I will not stand against it, as I have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose from it. You mean outside avoiding the reported side effects. Also love the animal farm soykaf >poor forced with fines >rich enjoy not caring about it And the poor users think this is fine and they should play along

>>49071 >Poor users think it's fine Of course it's not, but let me ask you: what are you going to do about it? Burn down a building? Trash some cars? Not take the Vax? Tell me, maybe I'll participate in your grand plan. As it stands, there's nothing to do. Nothing we can do, short of terrorism, and that requires friends, something that most lainons don't even have.

>>49068 >Oh boy, here we go. Yes, here we go with simple, succinct, fact and logic. cutting through the labyrinth of illusory nuance and bullshit, getting right o the point with an apt summary. You're welcome, by the way,

>>49073 Not participating will fix it itself. What are they gonna do? Jail everyone? Not practical. The system only works as much as people willingly take part in. Simply doing nothing kills the entire gig.

>>49074 >Facts and logic Lizards BTFO, amirite? >>49075 Doesn't look like a lot of people don't want to participate tho, pro-vax is a big majority, and anti-vaxers are getting shat on by every major news outlet (the only ones that count, since they're what the majority reads). besides, everyone who could make a difference, namely the ones who work and go to school, won't do anything to resist it, because their livelihood is at risk, and furthermore everyone is far to comfortable to do anything to move outside their comfort zone. Nothing will happen until people really get uncomfortable, which will only happen in a deep economic crisis (like great depression), and then they still need a leader to rile them up. Believing that all it takes is people not complying, is like believing that a small trickle of water will break the dam eventually. Of course it can happen, but before that happens, somebody will fix that trickle, and the dam will stand for another dozen years. Or even if no one fixes it, it'll take another decade of eating soykaf and hiding from the regimes boot, until the dam breaks.

>>49076 Its not, the majority didn't vax. Its just what the media tells you because people go with majority so you lie and say most did it to fomo people into compliance. Its how any product is marketed.

>>49076 >Lizards BTFO, amirite? All of them BTFO. The whole problem with this place, and stupid people in particular, is that they've been trained to see their stupidity as intelligence. Oh look at me, look at me, I'm fair and balanced, I can navigate the complexity and nuance of these great wordly matters. yes, that's right. I am an ADULT. I consider the issues. In reality all of that nuance is a labyrinbth of bullshit, completely irrelevant, and means nothing. But it gives their limbo and paralysis a sort of masturbatory pleasure and allows them to occasionally reach over and give the other give a few strokes, so they're all happy. It really is absurd.

>>49061 What vaccines exactly? I am completely uninformed on this subject. I know there are multiple covid vaccines developed in different countries using different methods, by people who are not personally acquainted with each other to form a conspiracy, or are they? There are even "fake" vaccines such as sputnik or epivac-corona, which do no effect at all, or so claimed by western media, but extensively promoted by Russian government and it's own media. Does that mean it's safe to take Russian vaccine since it does give no more effect than saline solution, yet provides equal political immunity? >you think people in the past didn't have soap I did not imply that industrialized communist people did not have soap, but it's more likely that colonial Indian villagers, or Africans did not, production of soap is extremely hard without industrial chain for bulk production of plant/animal fats, and more importantly - caustic soda through chloralkali process. It is evident that before industrialization, regions that started producing soap early were rich in alkaline soils that produced suitable plant stock to burn into soda ash that would then be boiled with fat to produce soap. Pre-industrial Russia and Poland used wood ashes as alkaline component for clothes washing, saving pork and flax fats for other uses. Hand washing used to be more ritualistic and involved just rinsing with water rather than full-blown scrubbing before discovery of germs and cheap soap/alcohol disinfectant. Village steam sauna with birch twig exfoliation once a week was probably better hygienic procedure than lukewarm communist bath. People also changed their clothes after sauna and women washed them. Compare that to contemporary 18-19th century Japan where people did not change clothing after bath and it consisted either sitting in boiling geothermally heated water with other people (not so bad), or sharing same basin of water with all household from guest to patriarch down to last servant in a single going. Add water-sewage toilets and toilet paper, and communist block was not winning in this regard either. Using bog pit with no toilet paper is probably ok becasue colon is straightened, but sitting on a chair-like water bowl requires use of toilet paper or water due to feces not evacuating properly. There was also France whose hygienic standards were no higher up until 1960's, while still smelling funny, they did have reliable running water in cities (as opposed to communal water pump per block of factory barracks in communist Russia) to wash hands on demand. Rapid industrialization congested people whose sanitary practices were adequate for lower population densities and low outside exposures into "melting pot" of cities where not just one (extended) family lived in a single house, but ten, and who whose occupation required staying indoors lowering their exposure to sunlight or "wild" nature. >>49062 I am sure you have had at least a dozen of them since your childhood, if you had not, please elaborate on your hygienic practices and disease exposures, how many of your siblings survived past age of 3 and how many people in your surroundings have been administered vaccines. I personally had not had any flu vaccinations since middle school as a person in mid-20's, despite them being recommended every winter. I have not had any sort of fever symptoms longer than one day which were not cured by keeping body in overheated conditions by drinking tea with honey. I have not had covid pneumonia or symptoms, neither did anyone in my first-hand acquaintances and family some of which have vaccinated nonetheless. Will covid become the new influenza culturally? I don't know. It's also puzzling to me why does it look like a global hysteria, well at least in a filter bubble of journalists > facebook/twatter influencers > social media obsessed channers who deliver this hysteria to my eyes. I remember, as a careless child, hearing about poor piggos and chickos being slaughtered en masse to prevent spread of their respective influenza strains, recommendations to cook meat thoroughly to avoid these, and also prions that rot your brain, et cetera, et cetera. Did the world become more hysterical because idiots got ability to disseminate their inane opinions through tiny computers that fit into their palms (aka 2007 effect), or is there something genuinely sinister going on with the world? What practices stopped previous epidemics, and why are they not working today? Why wearing a mask during 1968 Hong Kong flu was normalized to the point of Japanese adopting mask wearing as a habit during every winter influenza season since, but suddenly problematic during covid in the West? Did nobody wear masks during previous influenza outbreaks in USA/Western Europe, were they so long ago that everybody forgot?

>>49078 >caring about appearing adult the most childish thing there is is caring about being an adult, no grownup considers this desirable or a target to reach.

>>49068 > just to make a stand that won't even change anything in the grand scheme of things. The thing about this is the more people believe this, the more can they take away from you and control you, and you will never do anything since you internalized fatalism in your head so much you can't even mentally be against it.

>>49079 Mask were controversial because first they said no then yes and then it came out they were buying stock while saying no and getting rich on it. Why are people who talk soykaf always this ignorant?

>>49080 Yes, that's what I just said.

>>49079 >I know there are multiple covid vaccines developed in different countries using different methods, by people who are not personally acquainted with each other to form a conspiracy, or are they? I don't believe in conspiracies, I believe in error and lack of knowledge which can lead to problems in development of vaccines. Usually you try to get rid of that by tests but there's only so much you can test withing less than a year. The fact that there's a billion dollar industry that might maybe even have outright cure for it, like they publicly have for certain types of diabetes more or less seeing how cheap insulin is to make yet they charge so much they make a fat profit out of it is an other matter. But that's too not really a conspiracy, it's just a matter of fact that big pharma exists. >Does that mean it's safe to take Russian vaccine since it does give no more effect than saline solution, yet provides equal political immunity? No, it's just an other vaccine. I would gladly take any vaccine if it could be trusted and a normal person like me had some way of verifying what they say about it is true or not. And right now I don't.

>>49084 I can only tell you what I know: I have an extensive family circle, and about 3/4 are vaccinated. Lots of young adults (cousins, brothers, etc.) And they suffered no Ill effects from it. I do not argue with the fact that the vaccines were rushed, and they should've been tested for a longer time period, but as it stands right now, all I see is that the companies held their promise, and adverse effects are so rare that they shouldn't affect judgement for young healthy adults. And in case you tell me that young healthy adults shouldn't need it, yes, that maybe true, but being careful is a better survival strategy than blindly trusting your own body. >>49081 The thing is, as the situation is right now, in my country about half the population is fully vaccinated (~58%, just looked it up), and people digging themselves in against it are the reason why the government can justify taking away our freedom and force restrictions on us.

>>49085 >adverse effects are so rare that they shouldn't affect judgement for young healthy adults. Maybe in short term, but in the long term? How are we even supposed to know that? Asbestos too was not an health problem in the past, and cigarettes were even marketed as healthy and given to children in the past. Which would be fine, to have such knowledge you need to be god like powers, but then I expect when dealing with such important matters there should be more in way to protect me. Cause right now all you have are handful of billionaires, and this isn't a conspiracy about elite, this is how money flows in our current world, who have essentially enough power to have every news outlet say what they want, they can censor, show and manipulate everything you see on social media with ease since they control it. And also they run business that profits from medicine. And a business exist to make money, not heal people or protect them. >and people digging themselves in against it are the reason why the government can justify taking away our freedom and force restrictions on us. Freedom is when you do what higher ups tell you to do, because then they won't beat you with sticks. Man, I think under that logic fuarrrking slaves who had exactly no say about their live shouldn't have ever complained because if they followed their master they would get a meal at the end of the day.

>The vaccine does not prevent the spread of the virus Then I have no socially responsible reason to take it. >The vaccine does not prevent me from getting the virus Then I have no health conscious reason to take it. >If the vaccine hurts me or my family, I cannot even sue anyone for poisoning me or my famly members Then I have no faith in taking it. >The chances of dealing with side effects of taking a vaccine are worse than my chance of side effects of catching the virus Then I have no logical reason to take it. >I caught covid and got better >Months later my family members in my home caught covid and I did not Then I have no need for protection due to inoculation. I will not take the vaccine, I do not care how "uncomfortable" I am required to be for it. Illegal or not, I will not be taking it.

>>49085 People who don't understand long term effects aren't worth the time. Let them be cattle guinea pigs.

>>49087 Perfectly reasonable. May I ask what you do for a living? >>49086 >Freedom is when you do what higher ups tell you to do. I did not say that, and you know that. Do you want to discuss this, or do you want to "win"? Freedom is having the freedom to do what you please, whenever you please. Such Absolute freedom is not possible in the context of human civilization, without risking to be penalised for antisocial behaviour. If you do not participate in human civilization at all, you need to take responsibility and care for yourself, which still doesn't make you completely free, as you are still a slave of your most basic instincts. In the modern world, you simply cannot avoid civilization, unless you go to a place that is so inhospitable, that no one dared to colonize it yet, and you will still probably find someone there. But you won't do that, will you? In that case, you have to adapt to society, and that means you have to accept certain rules in exchange for certain rights. Rights are secured by the government, through the use of law and force, and taking freedom for yourself means disregarding these basic rights and the laws and force that guarantees them, therefore going against the government. And going against the government is, frankly, quite stupid at this point.

>>49089 You say that while your country got taken over by sjw politics in the last 2 decades and is spiraling further. Gov is just people too in the end, you put crap into their heads the entire thing changes.

>>49089 >But you won't do that, will you? In that case, you have to adapt to society, and that means you have to accept certain rules in exchange for certain rights. I know, but there's a point in rejecting a society that in my view is not worth living in. Not when things could be so much better with essentially relatively little effort, because I can tell you this whole covid deal wouldn't be even remembered by now if countries went into a hard lockdown for 3 months and stopped flights from China. I can tell you it's way easier on the psyche and economy or whatever people nowadays feel like begging to than essentially that, but with one month where they allow people to move around to get the numbers up. >therefore going against the government. And going against the government is, frankly, quite stupid at this point. The thing is once you internalize this that things can't be better, you also in turn make sure they never will. Actually, what you do by believing that nothing can be done, and no, I'm not saying we should bomb building before a person of certain luminescence says that, you almost make sure things will get worse. Since then you always let others take away little by little and people like you will ask "but what can we do anyway?"

>>49089 >May I ask what you do for a living? I'm curious about why.

>>49066 I'd say your image is an example of what I called inane social media crap opinion. No sources are provided. Do you expect me to type in these article names into search engine, nah you don't, you as in author of this picture want an emotional response to trained patterns: Internet Radio host = good, Microsoft man = bad. Not only these articles are written by different authors, they are published in different branches under different editors and one of them might be even a heavily non-endorsed personal opinion of a "guest author", as often happens with these sensationalist bait screenshots which appear on 4pol, then end up on other chans source incited. - Bill Gates is known for vaccinating poor countries, he probably has medical advisors on COVID, the news website article probably links to his own article/lecture where he also cites sources, otherwise that's Get The Facts tier and obviously bad. He is not giving medical advice, he explains variants, anyone can, but since he's a public figure known for healthcare-related philanthropist, he can act a white science man for it's sakes. When in complete ignorance you take medical advice from a doctor, then from a healthcare official. It's more correct than random Instagram makeup influencer explaining you what political party should be voted for, out of blue. - Joe Rogan is a Youtube talk show host, he is known as a person who hosts controversially opinionated guests, and this is a perfect opportunity to attack him personally as a part of journalistic rivalry, rather than the statement itself. He is not known for having any healthcare expertise or involvement, even on Bill Gate's level, therefore his opinion on medical issues will be considered lower in comparison, and therefore attacked. However, do young adults indeed not need a covid vaccine, or not? What statistical or empirical data can you provide to support your opinion? >>49082 They said no when they were not sure if it's aerosol-spread virus. They said yes when aerosol spread was confirmed. Masks and aerosol filters became cheaper than they were before 2019/20 winter, like 4 times, despite experiencing a surge in price due to increased demand in the beginning of panic. Ridiculously cheap when bought in packs of 50-100 while previously they weren't sold in packs more than 5-10 in retail. However, there was a slight dip in quality of regular cloth masks, older had more layers and better nose clips, but this is on my recollection, and not on global scale, I shopped for filters and masks last time a year ago. >>49084 Are there any studies or properly written articles that concern malpractice in developing/testing these vaccines? Everyone accuses everyone of doing bad. In Russia in particular liberal media criticized government for every kind of restrictive measure: lockdown was not an existing tern in Russian legislature, but quarantine was, however quarantine means paying everyone guaranteed neetbux and giving free food with civil conduct enforced by branches of military, which they did not want to, so they quickly slapped some new laws for justifying "lockdowns", then these journalists criticized Sputnik and compared it to foreign vaccines which were less? dangerous, not tested on conscripts/public employees without their consent, for not being salt water which Epivac-Corona is accused of. Then they stopped, and started advocating Sputnik in a uniform voice this summer. A liberal journalist or opposition candidate who slandered Sputnik in 2020 in uniform voice with official state propaganda says it's now safe to inject Sputnik, why you dumb Putin-loving peasants are not vaccinating, because of you we suffer in ghettos! - What methodologies in new vaccine developments are different than say, any other previously developed vaccines, vaccines developed for recent diseases that did not fuel global hysteria? It's still a inactivated virus shell, right? - Were there any rushed vaccines before? - What are loss/benefit outcomes of postponing vaccinations versus having adverse effects of vaccinations? - How did no-lockdown measures of Sweden and Belarus play out, suddenly nobody talks bout them? - But more importantly, were any of the previous epidemics and adverse effects of vaccines amplified by social media echo chambers of smartphone generation? No. I also suspect that since nowadays population is bigger than ever, and global (or generally long-distance) travel is more affordable than ever despite all environmentalist circus where politicians shake hands on camera and decide nothing, this is the main route of disease spread.

>>49093 Why where they buying stocks if they believed masks to be useless? Your story makes no sense. Rational take is they scammed the public.

>>49094 Look into the dynamics of families with physical or sexual abuse. Those around the abuser will make excuses for them, groom for them, offer uop the child to them, abuse blame and cast out the victims, and so on. No matter waht you say to these people, they will engage in mental gymnastics to make it all legit and okay. They will never see it. That's the nature of the trauma bond. I don't even consider them human. I know the only way to fix them is by force, indirectly. You can't engage with them directly and get anywhere, the terror and pain is too great to ever see.

>>49095 This is also why circumcision and vaccination are so important. It instills into the subconscious, layered over the primal and infantile terror and rage of abandonment, a sense of "they hurt me because they love me. It is for the greater good." It is by this that the individual will spin their wheels in endless reems of bullshit, and they will submit. "You will be commanded, you will return to that first cut. And you will obey."

>>49093 >I'd say your image is an example of what I called inane social media crap opinion. No sources are provided. >Do you expect me to type in these article names into search engine, nah you don't, you as in author of this picture want an emotional response >Proceeds to post picture of random dead body, with no context, but to get attention because "dangerous virus" so this should explain why you should listen to everything mr. Bill Gates has to say and never question authority

>>49097 >>49066 there is a saying in my country, it goes something like this: The hunchbacked will be healed by the grave, the stubborn by the club i hope you won't need a club to your head to drop your dishonest tactics, and take on a more honest approach to discussion. >>49092 i am curious how long you will be able to holding up your perfectly reasonable stance on the vaccination. Because if you do not have a stable income or a way to survive for the next few years, until conflict will inevitably repair the current situation, it doesn't look good for you. >>49095 >>49096 This is pol-tier. You're not even making any arguments, and also this strange fixation on circumcision and rape/abuse/stockholm syndrome. I can only hope that the next great crisis will be over quick, and your type of people will be cleansed completely this time, not like back in 1945, when only the leaders were prosecuted, and most of the population was left unscathed.

It is disheartening at the least to say for people so willingly surrender their freedom to move freely, speak what they want and think for themselfs. The gov is well known to be a corrupt entity, the war on drugs for one things as everyone knows is a pure racket. Not to mention the corrupt practices of the medical industry, which are even looked down on by many people that take and deal drugs. There are so many rationalizations and justifications, from simple convenience to outright believing whatever numbers and other sort of "data" they throw at you. There are tons of aspects, from depression going up by a fuarrrkton, especially among young people and all sorts of other fuarrrkery, many of which we are yet to see. Some claim this is not a huge deal, but it absolutely is, many pretend to not address the elefant in the room, but they all notice. This covid response was by far the most radical and freedom removing action ever taken against man and it is idiotic at best to ignore the reprecations and pretend this is ok in any way. This has us slided down the slippery slope a huge mile down. This has, within not even a year, changed from giving away our right to leave the house to even our right from making a living without getting cought up in some narrative and being shot up with whatever is in there. The truth is everyone that caved in gave up and supported the narrative. Where will this go in 5 years, 2 or even 1? You can absofuckinglutly be sure they will not let go of this power ever and they will use it again when they see fit. What is absolutely most disturbing is how not only most people are just willing, but also seem to think just returning to the same set of circumstances that started all this is desirable. People i know and thought of as ok decided to just lay down, roll over and take it up the ass, even said thank you to the people that lie to them and use them. There are no words in which i can describe the disapointment of my so called "fellow men", even people in my own family. Im so thru with people, its not about them selling out their bodies to pharma goons and defending fascist measures, that if democracy and freedom were a thing these people would go to prison for life, but the fact that they are so hell bent on trying to brush things off, wait for someone from the big daddy state tell them what to do and then just go on with whatever broken sort of reality they live in and pretend its all alright. The bitter sad truth is things are not alright at all, nor were they for a very long time, instead of embracing truth and acknowledging this and standing up against a broken system and trying to make that change, people not only look the other way but silence those that point out the flaws. I have no energy or interest left to even think about any of this anymore, let people do what they want, its not like i can convince or stop anyone, but i know there will be extreme consequences for all this, most of all for those who go along with this.

>>49098 >says submit >browses pol >thinks hes at the opposite end horseshoe theory in action

>>49098 >there is a saying in my country, it goes something like this very cool story. take a look at this if you like quotations and literature

useless n33t-sch1zobabble: the thread

>>49098 >i am curious how long you will be able to holding up your perfectly reasonable stance on the vaccination. Because if you do not have a stable income or a way to survive for the next few years, until conflict will inevitably repair the current situation, it doesn't look good for you. I understand. Well, I've got three streams of income (all remote work, one of which I am "my own boss", and have been for the last ~8 years), a decent savings in the 5 figure range, a good chunk of money in various stocks (traditional and some outside of that), and I can survive more than a year long shutdown without leaving my home... If I can't leave my yard, I could probably live for quite a few years until my equipment breaks.

>>49101 Proverb is not a literature quotation, it's acollective elder's wisdom. Silly anglos and their stupid books.

No drug or vaccine gets tested years they usually do no longer than a six month study. The annual flu shot is a new vaccine every year for example and obviously each one isn't being tested for years.

>>49110 >we build the same car every year >we can get a jet right first try this is your argument, mrna is a new apprach not comparable to old tested tech

I am getting 4 shots. I got two in my home country and now that I am living in Norway, I am getting two more so I can get the EU vaccine passport. Feeling pretty good about it to be honest.

>>49115 Shit like this is exactly what is wrong with the world. Next thing you know people will be getting 12 shots and tattoos of how many they got and will be happy for it. On the off chance that this is not some gov bot trying to spread fake opinions, whats so great about having soykaf shoved into you and getting a certificate for being a labrat? Why do so many people just say superficial soykaf like this when confronted with such a situation, like i can understand not caring, but actively supporting this and propagating medical tyranny without any thought or consideration, that is just so low.

>>49116 We got several years ago news about bots written with nlp to manufacture consent but i think its real people even if paid because there's a pattern in activity. Bots could work 24/7. The posts however concentrate on american hours.

I have a pet theory that the danger of this novel coronavirus is more about the lack of immunity than that the virus is particularly worse than the normal coronaviruses. Note how the virus is so much more mild in children. The children of today will catch it at school or whatever, then periodically throughout their lives just like the cold-causing endemic coronaviruses. By the time they get to the "high risk" age they will have plenty of immunity. But, the pharma companies see money to be made so they'd prefer children take their vaccines instead. What do you guys think? I have no evidence to provide, but it makes sense to me.

people would bring their sick children to play with each other so that they can build up immunity on their own what happen to literal thousands years of tradition that brought us where we are in first place i cant wait to get mandatory medicine for every single thing that may be wrong in my life or for my body

>>49118 I reached the state where I just don't talk about it anymore with friends (ex) and family members who have no problem calling me a tard for not taking it and not believing the s0yence considering my academic achievements. All arguments fall on deaf ears. So I just have a cassette player in my mind that automatically tell those who inquire my choice "Can man do better than nature? After centuries of plagues and diseases, isn't our existence proof that natural selection did its job and left those with a good immune system alive?" They accuse of being a eugenist. You just can't win.

>>49099 lain, I feel your pain All the posts I made in the previous threads were ramblings of despair inspired in the spur of the moment by the sheer hopelessness of the situation. Wherever you live I hope you and your people find the strength to endure until the next best opportunity to rise and rebel. The constant moving of goalposts that somehow goes unnoticed is just unreal. This is all so unsophisticated. I'm even more convinced than I was before that as a young person with no comorbidities the vaccine is just plain not necessary. Initially I was thinking I'm going to wait until there is longer term safety data but the alarming increase of pushback and pressure on the unvaccinated (whatever their actual personal risk, the vaccines aren't really to protect others) has made reluctant to take it. In fact, it became very clear to me that tricking myself into thinking this is fine and just taking it to move on is the mechanism by which people acquiesce to the medical tyranny. Everybody has to have their choice when it comes to their body, I frankly don't want to live in a society in which this cornerstone doesn't exist. I always thought it's great that we have the vaccines and the offer for everybody to get it, I thought now everyone has the opportunity to make a decision for themselves and we can move on because the vulnerable have a mechanism by which they can choose to protect themselves. However it has become very clear that the vaccine really was not about ending the pandemic. It's really kicked my worldview around. Looking back to the start of the pandemic, it is already been over a year. In retrospect, the resoluteness and leadership of international organizations like the WHO and some governments at the start of it all is kind of strange. Yeah I know, there is all that "never ascribe to malice that which is explained by stupidity" business. Was it really all that natural to just lock down the country? Does that actually emerge randomly? The more I try to think up a detailed picture the more disturbed I am. The sheer number of profiteers is also scary. Not only is the pharmaceutical industry in a good position to change how we view and use medicine in order to transform their whole business, the classic big bad tech companies like amazon, google and facebook have made ridiculous profits. I didn't check this all, but I would bet alphabets earnings have not really tanked in 2020. Compare this to small local businesses who struggle to keep their shops open (never mind turning a profit!) and have to comply with absurdity. Lastly, people are being riled up against each other. Having the vaccinated and unvaccinated fight each other is useful for many entities, but ultimately I do wonder what this segregation is meant to achieve. It is reminiscent of what happened in nazi germany. I have to resources I want to share with you friends, first a repost of this (it appeared in the last thread): https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M / https://youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M secondly, a piece of encouragement: https://www.bitchute.com/video/IqACc2gpnwrF/ (I know there is a lot of trash on bitchute, but this particular video shows that pushback exists and purpose is not lost)

>>49087 >I can not even sue anyone That's regular practice, same thing with every other vaccine. >The chances of dealing with side effects of taking a vaccine are worse than my chance of side effects of catching the virus Clever wording. Of course they are. But if we equalize it: >My chances of dealing with side effects of taking a vaccine are worse than my chance of side effects of catching the virus It becomes statistically wrong. They're indeed better. If the opposite is the case, please provide source material. Maybe your own research will change your mind. >>49116 Psychos and idiots are the most visible. Just ignore it. I haven't taken the vaccine, but I plan on doing so as soon as the longer term effects are known. Being psychotic against vaccines is just as bad being psychotic for vaccines. I think we should take a look around and decide for ourselves, how much of the media picture is true or not.

>>49122 bro just take the medicine for a thing u have less chance of dying from than a fuarrrking thunder bro

>>49120 >eugenist It used to be frontier soyence some 90 years ago. Only because it was employed by ebul nadsies, everyone immediately forgot about it out of political reasons, and in USSR scientists were furthermore shunned for "believing" in genetics. Yes, there were eugenics even in commielands before 1936.

>>49121 >(I know there is a lot of trash on bitchute, but this particular video shows that pushback exists and purpose is not lost) looks like it is on odysee too: https://odysee.com/@WolfClanMedia:2/The-Pushback-Oracle-Films:9 a bit better

>>49125 And this boggles my mind. The majority happily use Darwin's theory of evolution to disprove God's existence (not all) and yet when we deal with this animal called "human", they refuse to go further to classify the sub species due to their motto "all men are equal". Total cognitive dissonance.

>>49127 Because eugenics isn't science. Saying we have different genes and some are more likely to caught certain diseases based on that is isn't controversial. If you begin having laws for certain people based on their genes that's politics. Science can never say what should be done. And it's also pretty disgusting politics because I can assure you very few of eugenicist would follow it through if it meant they had the shorter end of the stick.

>>49127 It is really disappointing. homo sapiens should not be the "species", it works more like the genus. >>49128 He isn't saying that. There is a claim that african descent and european descent are the same species of "human". Which is not in line with how we perform our labeling of other animals.

>>49131 >It is really disappointing. homo sapiens should not be the "species", it works more like the genus. Actually Pan should be the genus. Pan troglodytes, Pan sapiens. Learn the definition of species - can breed = species.

>>49122 Did you seriously just reword what I said? I am so tired of you people. You are why I'm a "far right extremist". I genuinely just wanted to be left alone and yet here you guys are doing this bullshit. >It becomes statistically wrong. They're indeed better. If the opposite is the case, please provide source material. Maybe your own research will change your mind. But this is my own research. Why would I listen to other people when the information is available to me? What is depressing is that: You want a source, but I don't keep a document full of sources of where I picked up. So, my options are to: >A.) Waste my time and find sources that you will ignore >B.) Go about my life and be content with my choices I am not here to "convert" anyone. I don't care. Take your shot, its your life. I just don't want to be forced to take something.

>>49129 The thing is that these borders are never as clear cut as you people would like to believe, and they don't apply historically. Both people in Norway and Spain are considered "white", yet they obviously have different genes. If you decide to cut your line there, it's really not based on science. You can cut these lines everywhere, and even in elementary schools we see that where it's not uncommon for people to get bullied for such silly thing as red hair color. And yes, they do have different genes because they have different hair color. What exactly determines if 'x' race should be cut off in spain, serbia, turkey or maybe even China? And histrionically it too doesn't make sense. If you turned the clock few thousand of years lot of the so called civilized people today would be living in huts. You could very easily in those years make a case for Arab superiority, Chinese superiority, Greek superiority, etc. Also I can imagine the last thing a Roman would like to hear is to be of the same people as the savages up north.

>>48964 I'm so fuarrrking sick and tired of talking, reading or hearing about corona and everything it entails. American culture ruins every discussion about anything related to the question "what is the truth of the matter?" with its batshit insanity. When someone talks about corona vacciness, it's the anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers and all the rest of the stupid american soykaf all over again. It's because there are so many lobbyists, pseudo-scientists and outright denialists who are muddying the waters in the name of resenting the so-called elite, fighting for "freedom" or getting a quick buck out of the stupid, gullible schmucks because "that's just the predatory game we're playing, bucko". And as a side effect all the rest of us to have to suffer for it. If tobacco is proved to cause cancer, the elites hire a battalion of moralless scumbags to provide "alternative facts" to dissuate and sell doubt to the consumers to keep them from knowing the facts. If abrahamist conspiracy theorists who exercise baseless fear-mongering on a platform have their freedom of expression limited, they flash their nazi cards and scream "we are living under totalitarianist socialist fascism" to rile up all the other red necks to their defense because "tHe CoNsTiTuTiOn sAiD sO". And if an esteemed scholar or scientist says that there is little doubt that climate change is happening, that it was caused by human activity and that it will have tremendous consequences for life on our planet, your average yankee-doodle-dee shrugs and says "hE mUsT bE PaRt Of ThE ElItE, ThEy WaNt Us To EaT BuGs AnD StOp Us FrOm DrIvInG OuR CaRs! No WaY JoSe! I CaNt Go On WiThOuT My HuMmEr AnD PoRk ChOpS!!" The list goes on and on and on - infantile chizophrenic paranoid through and through everywhere all the time. U.S. has become so rotten to the core that the rot is starting to seep from its containment continent all over the globe. I'm so fuarrrking done with this soykaf.

>>49136 I honestly don't even understand what you are exactly complaining about. But seeing you hate American culture I must say it must be based.

>>48964 Short question for intermission: Has someone in this thread taken the vaccine? If so, some questions: >Which one did you take? >What age range? (5-year ranges) >did you have any adverse effects immediately after the inoculation? Which ones? >If your inoculation is more than 6 months ago, did you experience any further adverse effects? If so, which ones? >Inb4 Datamining: I am interested in collecting some data about covid vaccine effects, because I am not entirely sure what to think of the official data. I oftentimes hear that statistics can be falsified, but how can I trust anything by that logic?

>>49133 Look up "sealioning". Never bother to give these people sources, do not invest yourself AT ALL in the absence of a clear and upfront potential ROI. Otherwise you're just giving yourself over to time and energy vampires. The proof is very simple. They'll read the A and B thingh you alid out and try to twist it to make you the bad guy for not giving them everything and anything. They're cluster Bs, and fuarrrking goddamn, if we could just get people to actually understand the cluster B mindsets, all of these problems would disappear. your only reasonable course is to starve them. They aren't people, literally, they barely have a sense of self. That's why they're always manipulating and needing from you, gimme gimme, gimme source, gimme attention, gimme explain gimme nipple mommy mommy I'm scared stop ignoring me mommy gib nipple! Gib me reflection which makes me know I exist! That's what their mind is doing, permanently. fuarrrk these miserable creatures. fuarrrk their sources. DO NOT CAST PEARLS BEFORE SWINE.

>>49138 I don't think there's enough data to even collect here to say something conclusive one way or the either. >but how can I trust anything by that logic? You just have to trust on other factors whenever to trust a certain statistics or not, and what are the consequences of that. For all the worshiping numbers going up have in modern world, statistics only can tell you about what happened before. Think about it like this, if Turkeys made statistics they would be let to believe they will get exponentially more grain, yet end up in a oven without their head. It's a useful tool, but only if you can gather solid info and you always keep in mind that they have pretty big limitations.

>>49132 >Makes up an assumption as an argument You clearly aren't interested in a genuine discussion... pic related covers the basis of your argument. >can breed = species Horses and donkeys "can breed" and are of different species. They are the same genus though. I am willing to accept a "sub-genus" for humans. Examples: >pan negro sapien >pan anglo sapien >pan gael sapien

>>49142 CONTINUED: Do I have to post this? pic related. I have nothing more to say on the matter.

>>49143 You know, when you draw the people who you think are against you as a soyjack and you as a nordic chad I don't know why I should take you seriously. And the thing is you can make races out of people everywhere. Tell me why should people from south Europe, who have different eyes, skin color, bone structure and everything you can imagine be grouped under the same race as north European who look nothing alike?

>>49128 Eugenics is about selectively breeding certain traits in human beings, not burgerstani definition of raycissm. Humans selectively bred animals and plants to yield certain qualities, why can't the same be applied to humans? Well, there is some semi-natural process called sexual selection, but it's not really yielding results for societal stability at rates required in industrial society, humans with hereditary genetic disorders are allowed to reproduce and exist in suffering and burden to others for whole length of their lives instead of being dealt with at root. Unwanted children were drowned right after birth before good samaritian puritan feminists appeared, and even eaten in times of famines, yet now abortion is immoral? Everything and everyone was in favour of eugenics if not for sudden anti-German political course and christianity which schizophrenically denies evolutionary selection, yet is perfectly accepts blasphemous selection of cattle, otherwise we wouldn't have dogs, milk cows and draft horses today.

>>49145 There's this neat idea that I think is wise that says 'don't do to others what you wouldn't want on yourself', and I can assure that if people who are in charge of the eugenics program decided that you or anyone else who supports eugenics but now get selected to not have children would be on the list of getting sterilized, he would drop very quickly his line of thought.

>>49144 Fine. Fixed.

>>49133 >but I don't keep a document full of sources of where I picked up. You should. There is no excuse not to when you have an electronic memory enhancer with instantaneous document retrieval and print quality display.

>>49144 genetic distance. It doesn't matter how you look. What counts is how different you are on a genetic level. And the best stuff isn't about looks anyway. Rare genes that code for cold immunity, altitude adaption, endurance are arguably a bigger deal than your hair color. If anything those groups should be inbred to keep the special traits alive as a database so we can inject them whenever gene editing becomes norm.

>>49144 >Tell me why should people from south Europe, who have different eyes, skin color, bone structure and everything you can imagine be grouped under the same race as north European who look nothing alike? But it is not exclusively about looks. You are thinking about race in a very superficial way. I don't want to get into this absurd conversation where "yeah but that one guys hair is #000000 and that other one is #000001 so.. um they arent the same race". So, take care.

>>49146 It's like when you're in support of space exploration, but you never get to fly in orbit. There are priorities, and there are trade-offs. There would still be genetically-apt orphans whom you would be able to adopt, if you care about raising a child so much.

>>49149 Yeah, but there's needs to be some specific limit where you set the gene difference. If I want I can include Asians on the same race as Europeans by simply sliding the line a bit further. You still would capture rare genes. Hell, why not go even further. We can look even more locally and even find rare genes between north europeans, south europeans, eastern europeans, western europeans. Why not make these races too?. You can play this game essentially forever. And historically you could even get away with it since I can assure you like I said that no Roman would enjoy being grouped with the savages north who drink blood from skulls. Even today you do in certain places because there were genetic studies done in Israel that were stopped once it turned out that Jews have more in common genetically with Palestinians than they do with any of the Europeans.

>>49148 I used to do this, but I was spending so much time doing this that my actual life was suffering from it. I'm not trying to get a "politically correct PhD". I just want to learn and know things. Because of that, I've realized there is no reason for me to try to "convert" others nor do I particularly need to "prove" my stance to anyone. No one wants to really debate or discuss, they just look to "one up" or "convert". I have no real interest in people who don't just seek to learn more about the world we are in. In fact, if I just decided one day that a spaghetti monster wants to turn 51%+ of the world into left handed people and if that happens everyone who has green eyes will grow gills and fart out their ears, and I think thats a bad idea, but the only way to stop this from happening is to threaten the monster by cramming 19 massive meatballs up my ass. Then so fuarrrking be it.

>>49145 There's this funny phenomenon, where people, who are lacking in genetic quality, but get in contact with certain beliefs, are in favour of eugenics and/or natural selection, even though they would get the short end of the stick. I had the same beliefs, and honestly, I still believe that certain traits promote survival, even nowadays, but I won't pretend that I'd support any kind of eugenics program, and I will definitely not decline a tetanus vaccine for me and my children. Same with other types of medical procedures, all founded on research and hard work. Humanity has already succeeded at developing tools against nature's blights. One may wonder why we are letting tards and soykafty people live. Simple, because we are all just people, and we don't want to naturally kill our own kind. We are not soulless Machines that destroy the inefficient parts of the ecosystem and only promote high quality genetic material, we raise everyone, and not everyone can be great, or even just outstanding, but everyone participates in this society, and the only thing I wish would change, is the integration of less intelligent or those with bodily handicaps, into the society and letting them participate in the building of a greater future.

>>49151 You really don't see the difference between allowing a group of people to pick who should be sterilized, which if you truly agree with, you have to be sure to be ready what that means if you are the one getting sterilized, and flying a rocket to orbit? What even is this allegory? I'm guessing this is some kind of sacrifice of progress kind of deal, but I know people who believe that, and in WW2 they were defeated by slavs from the east, and nowdays their superior race is being kept down by the Jews, which you would think would show how superior Jews are seeing they managed to control everything in their eyes which I would assume is a good show off of their genetic superiority.

>>49155 There is the "da Joos" again, I keep seeing it on imageboards, where does this keep coming from? Does everyone on imageboards really believe that they control everything?

>>49147 It get funnier this way.

>>49156 Just because you don't know anything, doesn't mean no one else does. You are not a superset of the world.

>>49148 >You should do what I clearly don't do Yeah, you're a retarded hypocrite. If you'd actually done this you would know better. Poser really is the best word.

>>49152 > If I want I can include Asians on the same race as Europeans by simply sliding the line a bit further. You still would capture rare genes You wouldn't separate the people with rare genes from others anymore then. Altitude is for example exclusive to himalayan people, cold resistance is a rare type in mostly slavs, endurance for sprinting is ethophians. And europeans as well as others are also divided in fact among themselves based on genetic markers. There are like 20 different groups just dividing eu and it makes more sense than nationality given the massive immigration across eu. More to the originals point the genetic distance between europeans and asians forms a line like a...a2.....a3...eu1.....eu2... Meaning the closest european and asian are closer to each other than their group members but since you're setting a dividing into 2 groups you still get a clear cut between them. The grouping is essentially based on how many groups you want. If you would make 3 groups then you would get the middle one as the new group and merge the closest eu and asian as their own bin.

>>49158 Because like we all know, misery is caused by the Jews, because Jews communicate by telepathy and even the poor Jews on some street who can't afford a home are in on the conspiracy. Jews are responsible for all the degeneracy in the world, because the Japanese who knew nothing of Jews existence were manipulated by the Jews to draw women getting fuarrrked by octopuses. We need to take away the control of Jews, because they are inferior yet manage to to control all of finance and world government. Jews also made communism, so that's why Communist Poland in the 60s had a law that kicked Jews from academia. There's also some strong connection between people based on genetics, because like we all know English industrialist didn't make English children work in machines which with one wrong move could twist them to death. Also remember to have a catchy racist slogan, these can't backfire. Let me give a try DESPITE MAKING 0.2% OF THE POPULATION, THEY MAKE 20% OF NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS

>>49161 Again, you're just blaming everyone else for your own deficits and lack of insight. In short, a few quick examples: >Because like we all know, misery is caused by the Jews, Yes, and it's because misery loves company. This is the nature of alienation, cluster B, etc. >Jews communicate by telepathy and even the poor Jews on some street who can't afford a home are in on the conspiracy. No one says this, it's just a childish and lazy strawman you came up with to protect yourself. No one is saying Jews are one homogeneous hive-mind organizational structure where at any given time every single Jew contains all information and is wittingly, or unwittingly, working in favor of a shared goal. However, the broader answer to your question here is embedded in the language I've used. Shared goal. Wittingly or unwittingly. From where do goals, motivations, and behaviors stem? Could it be security needs and inculcation from childhood? And so on. But you don't think on your own, so you brain isn't even going to register "and so on". >Jews are responsible for all the degeneracy in the world, Meaningless statement, lack of definitions, etc. Again, if you can't see how theology and childhood upbringing factors into needs and behaviors an animal engages in to shape its ecology, then I can't help. You're too stupid and needy to understand mother nature or the world you live in. There is a natural order of things. >We need to take away the control of Jews, because they are inferior yet manage to to control all of finance and world government. More infantile thinking. Narcissists and Psychopaths are subhuman yet they will walk all over the general population. Computers and markets are subhuman, yet they rule over us like Gods. Conways game of life is simple and not self aware, but it gives rise to complexity that can be. And so on. Here's the problem with you. You assume "you cannot know the mind of the creator", God is superhuman etc. I assume it can just as well be the inverse. God is subhuman, an incomplete miserable tormented being. There is no need for a creator with whom's creations cannot know its mind. >There's also some strong connection between people based on genetics Yep, absolutely true. My ancestors were Sephardic Jews, Native American, and Irish. We never truly became guy and they simply are not like us. It is an obvious and everyday truth from a strictly introspective lens, say nothing of observing the different types of people and their ancestral correlates. My advice? Get over it. >DESPITE MAKING 0.2% OF THE POPULATION, THEY MAKE 20% OF NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS Yes, this is called tribalism and nepotism. Jews control the nobel committee and academia, so of course they promote their own. This is how they network. It's common sense. Do you have some problem? These are serious brain malfunctions. They have tied your mind into knots. Stop being so afraid. Grow up. Get over it. Let go of all these illusory needs, find something else for your cybernetic circuits.

>>49162 Also, I've been thinking of editing the bottom panel so there's only one burger dangled between them. Should I?

>>49154 You sound like a part of the able-bodied moralist majority. The handicapped do not ask for your pity, and it would be better for their own sake to reduce overall suffering in the human society by either preventing or cutting off their existence at early stages.

>>49162 You maybe saying the truth in its purest form, but the more crushing truth is, no one gives a sh!t. Truth hurts, and no one will respect you for saying the truth. So my advice: don't even bother. You seem to be able to be productive and capable of greater things than lurking an anonymous imageboard.

>>49155 The original argument was that both "slavs of the east", as well as "anglos of the west" had their own eugenics programs, after WWII everyone makes a sad face and compares you to the side that both had a eugenics program and lost the war, the reasons why two other sides stopped their research in the fields remain unspoken.

>>49164 >Able bodied I am >Moralist Nope, I despise humanity and wish to crop it down to about 20% of its current size. I will be one of the survivors, of course >They didn't ask for your pity I don't pity, and I don't think retards have the mental capacity to ask for anything but to piss, sh1t or eat. I merely wish for them to participate in society instead of vegetating. Sorry for trying to convey the message nicely, fvckhead. >Better for their own sake. I bet that's not what they think tho, everyone wants to live.

>>49087 >>The chances of dealing with side effects of taking a vaccine are worse than my chance of side effects of catching the virus lol, no. All the side-effects are lesser versions of what the virus does as primary effects.

>>49168 The virus does all of this? Wow

>>49131 >>49142 >>49147 It isn't a wise idea to build a worldview from paper conclusions and memes, as well as give any sort of credit to debate where the opinions accepted are more likely to depend on the skill of rhetoric in those involved than actual truth. You'll go farther, and be taken more seriously irl if you study and research it institutionally. Because of that, I'm not going to argue against shoehorning species classification into race. I don't have a degree in biology. I'm more interested in the conclusion of >>49147 after dividing humans into species as an analogue for race, which is the conflation between environmental protection efforts and racial nationalism. You can't equivocate human action and behavior towards animals with between ourselves. It makes no sense, just like you can't equivocate the treatment of others with how you treat yourself. If anything, genetic diversity from ethnic intermixing is much better for the species than the forced inbreeding nationalists want. https://sci-hub.do/10.1126/science.aac4951 https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/ Also, you retards should get vaxxed. Your lives really aren't worth as much as you think.

>49169 >kawasaki disease my disappointment is immense, its not about getting a bike addiction but "something happened but we dont know why and it can vanish"

>>49171 >It isn't a wise idea to build a worldview from paper conclusions and memes. That is your interpretation? Interesting. >not going to argue against shoehorning species classification into race That's good because, as I said, I wasn't interested in changing your mind. >I'm more interested in the conclusion of >>49147 after dividing humans into species as an analogue for race Race, Ethnicity, and Species are the same thing. It doesn't matter because human biology dictates this. You even get to see it when medicine rears its big ugly, rhetoric destroying head. >the forced inbreeding nationalists want Your rhetoric isn't half bad though. Half decent choice of words, too. Too bad rhetoric isn't particularly important anymore. >If anything, genetic diversity from ethnic intermixing is much better for the species than the forced inbreeding nationalists want. Nice! I was waiting to see the "genetic diversity" myth get brought up. I thought I still had the exact copypasta sitting on my machine for it, but alas, I deleted. But you know why I deleted it anyways? I don't care. I don't want to change you, because I need people like you. >you retards should get vaxxed I politely decline. Have a nice rest of your day.

>>49173 I think you should.... have sex

>>49174 >tfw my worldview is so good that people are recommending I be rewarded with sex. Its good to be king.

>>49147 >>49157 That entire meme is false biology. Chart sourced from University of Basel. Stop stuffing the strawman for the algorithm https://phys.org/news/2018-05-special-humanity-tiny-dna-differences.html

>>49176 Who the fuarrrk did that chart? population size doesnt scale linear to genetic variance, genetic variance comes from adaption to enviroment. Humans dont adapt, they shape their enviroment to themselves. Secondary mutation speed comes with generation speed. Short lived organisms will have more variance. Thats why classic evolution studies are done with fruit flies - you can run through 20 generations in your own livespan with no trouble.

>>49176 >refutes scientific articles with scientific articles Which scientific argument should I listen to? Isn't it great how science changes viewpoints depending on financial backing? Its almost as if your gut reactions are just as valid

>>49182 Listen to the less circumcised argument. The more an argument's glans is exposed, the less sense it will make deeper down. It's like horny decision making. Can be dressed up and make to loom superficially rational and legitimate, but deeper down it's just nonsense. That is the essential character of the circumcised thought process. I think it is time for the story of the circumcised and uncircumcised, to come to a close. As long as the world is dominated by matters of circumcision and uncircumcision, it will never be over. There will never be peace. Repair of the world requires making men whole again.

>>49180 >Humans dont adapt, they shape their enviroment to themselves. They do both at the same time.

>>49115 Big brain move, you can't die from corona if you die from the vaccine first.

>>49188 Much like the virus, the vaccine only kills the weak. Unlike the virus, it doesn't cripple the strong.

>>49189 Absolutely based in facts and logic. I already thought no one will bring it up anymore.

>>48964 How many ID's do you carry to prove you're not a 'terrorist'? It's the same soykaf and a different day. It's to be used to try to limit travel until you check yourself in, nothing more really. >ssn >birth certificate >state ID >checking account >mock-mandatory draft card >fishing license >sailing license >insurance ID's >knife carrying license (yes it's a thing) >utility bills >lease/deed >lie detectors The forefathers of any nation would backhand anyone but royalty or deity for insinuating that they are a liar over this thing. "I am not sick" is all it takes in regards to plagues. That's all. They're calling you a liar over and over again. It's not about terror nor viruses but likelihoods. It is likely that you are wanted for a parking ticket in the next state over and they want you in jail over it.

Anyone who still cares about covid is a psyopped coward Get a grip already

I remember the butthurt that Polish democratic socialist party member caused by getting vaccinated very early when only medical workers were supposed to get vaccine. It was all "elites are getting vaccines and let unvaccinated die" screeching all over.

I sometimes think that all that "vaxx causes my grandma to get pregnant at age 92, think for yourself about it before getting jab" stuff to by gov psyops to mask current world wide economical problem with government debts caused by decades of happy currency printing. Yes, the same "money printer goes brrrrrr" stuff that caused r/wallstreetsilver crowd to form. Yes, I'm being sarcastic and parodistic but whole vax conspiracy stuff is all over the media while truth about soykafty condition of financial sector is practically absent in the media. While in contrast to whole vax bad which has no coherency or factual data background, the economic collapse narrative is deeply rooted in basic economics - no one ever printed whole country into prosperity, the only people who printed themselves into prosperity were rich investors or dictators who were taking most of what was printed into their pockets leaving middle class and poor with slightly lower purchasing power of their savings in currency they printed.

>>49212 Any disease which doesn't immediately provoke visible symptoms, or in other words which is asymptomatic, while still being contagious doesn't require you to willfully lie. Lying from ignorance is still lying, it just doesn't carry the same moral weight.

>>49250 >Lying from ignorance is still lying, it just doesn't carry the same moral weight. No, if you provide incorrect information due to ignorance, that is called being mistaken, not lying.

>>49249 >I sometimes think that all that "vaxx causes my grandma to get pregnant at age 92, think for yourself about it before getting jab" stuff to by gov psyops to mask current world wide economical problem with government debts caused by decades of happy currency printing. It's definitely a psyop to mask something, but I never thought of it that way. I always saw blatant anti-science bullshit like anti-vax and flat earth as a way of discrediting legit criticisms of issues with science, e.g. the replication crisis. You can't really question a study that's dubious yet considered gospel without getting compared to these morons, and I've no doubt that it's like this by design. On top of that, you can tell they're the new scapegoat now. Or rather, they're part of the America's all-encompassing scapegoat of domestic terrorism, which I guess has been adopted since it makes you look less nationalistic and more self-aware than if you're pointing your fingers outside the country. Hell, maybe that's why they pulled out of Afghanistan, because they knew the whole Islamic terrorism thing got worn out long ago.

>>49249 Although you're wrong about the untested mRNA "vaccine" being harmless, you're right about the economy. There is rapid inflation and no one is covering it or talking about whose making money from it. Big Pharma is doing risky things to the public but its being twisted into vaxx vs anti-vaxx. We're now leaving the middle east, which both sides have wanted for years, but not its being twisted that some of us wanted to stay instead.

>>49252 >anti-science You've already bought into the psy-op, like the retarded mods that keep deleting my posts about early clamping. Now THAT is anti-science.

>>49260 Out of curiosity - were you early-viced yourself? If yes - how it affected you?

>>49265 I was born via cesarean and immediately viced under the excuse of being "in distress". My mother says she didn't even get to hold me, they just viced and then ran off, the main characters of their own messianic drama. It's hard to describe succinctly. Part of it came from a screwed up cervical spine from cesarean birth, part of it was from clamping and hep B vaxx probably. And early childhood factors. Basically all the things you would expect. Poor motor skills is probably the biggest, didn't help socially either, I have issues with spatial functions as well and difficulty recognizing faces with confidence. Like everyone else was making book covers and I couldn't understand how the series of folds would amount to the structure I wanted. Other things. Looking within it's pretty obvious I'm a damaged, incomplete being.

>>49266 So you are basically saying that you are barely understanding how to fold a book cover yet claim you understand some high level sophisticated degeneration of society?

>>49268 >Talk to me man >Thanks, now let me use it as leverage to try to dominate you Every time.

>>49270 When someone tells a story in which they present themselves like they are barely able to solve basic 3D puzzle yet claim to perfectly understand working of complex system that no human has full information about that person is literally asking for getting crushed with pointing out that stuff.

>>49271 Save it, you miserable creatures are all the same. Had one conversation, odds are, you've had them all.

>>49266 Sorry to hear that man. Don't take it too harshly on yourself though. You honestly sound normal, that you have issues with spatial function doesn't mean you are doomed or anything. Just that that part is underdeveloped in you.

>>49272 Sorrz m8 but you are a creature of contradictions yourself

>>49085 My body is the first thing I'd blindly trust, there is no such thing as perceptions through your body that are more reliable than your body itself. Like how you can't overclock in software.

>>49274 Eh, it's not fine and never will be, but I was asked, so I answered. I don't really care, that's pretty much it. I also wanted to bait people into revealing themselves so I can be the mirror which provides the reflection they have needed. They will see that they chose what they chose, that they have these weird needs, they may start thinking why did I really do that, and so on. The insight and self reflection part never happens though, so it is a child-like notion. Literally, I'm pretty sure it came from childhood. Pretty dumb to go through the motions, no one ever gets to that higher metaconversation layer where they cna just look at the absurdity of the human design and its resulting drama. Like what does he even think, what am I supposed to do? I think what really did me in the most were all the things that happened later. I can either create meaning by incorporating it into a broader mission and tell myself torture was needed to see the truth and escape the labyrinth, or I can wipe my memory and try to pretend to be part of the world. Either way, it's too late now. >>49275 It is true, I am.

Interview with the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology https://rumble.com/vkcljx-july-26-2021.html

>>49300 Vaccines are poison. All of them.

>>49300 >Interview with the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology Inaccurate: The development of the mRNA vaccines is due to the work of hundreds of researchers, one of which is Robert Malone. Together with his co-authors, Malone contributed early evidence that mRNA could be delivered and produce proteins in cells. However, because crucial hurdles to develop the mRNA vaccines were resolved by many researchers , Malone cannot be claimed the inventor of this vaccine technology.

>>49309 All medicine, really. Crutches have lizard people microchips in them that mind-control you, I read all about it on Twitter.

>>49361 >Lizard people Where exactly did you contract this narrative during covid? I know a few youtubers were pushing it, but you didn't really hear much of this cutesy and childish "omg conspiracy == lizard ppl lololololol XD GOT EM" garbage before. So you're a parrot, a golem. Big surprise.

>>49309 I used to get annoyed at you antivax twits, but now my attitude is "let them believe what they want, and let covid remove them from the living voting public." I encourage you, and everyone with similar attitudes, to make sure not to take any precautions whatsoever. Please go about your business as if it were 2019. In the long run your deaths will only benefit the non-insane during elections.

>>49363 We've begun to think the same way about you. Which is what they wanted, but what can you do. It would be a relief to stop having to hear and see you people.

Karl Marx: "The human body is mortal by nature. Hence illnesses are inevitable. Why does a man only go to the doctor when he is ill, and not when he is well? Because not only the illness, but even the doctor is an evil. Under constant medical tutelage, life would be regarded as an evil and the human body as an object for treatment by medical institutions. Is not death more desirable than life that is a mere preventive measure against death? Does not life involve also free movement? What is any illness except life that is hampered in its freedom? A perpetual physician would be an illness in which one would not even have the prospect of dying, but only of living. Let life die; death must not live. Has not the spirit more right than the body? Of course, this right has often been interpreted to mean that for minds capable of free motion physical freedom of movement is even harmful and therefore they are to be deprived of it. The starting point of the censorship is that illness is the normal state, or that the normal state, freedom, is to be regarded as an illness. The censorship continually assures the press that it, the press, is ill; and even if the latter furnishes the best proofs of its bodily health, it has to allow itself to be treated. But the censorship is not even a learned physician who applies different internal remedies according to the illness. It is a country surgeon who knows only a single mechanical panacea for everything, the scissors. It is not even a surgeon who aims at restoring my health, it is a surgical aesthete who considers superfluous everything about my body that displeases him, and removes whatever he finds repugnant; it is a quack who drives back a rash so that it is not seen, without caring in the least whether it then affects more sensitive internal parts. You think it wrong to put birds in cages. Is not the cage a preventive measure against birds of prey, bullets and storms? You think it barbaric to blind nightingales, but it does not seem to you meaningless at all barbaric to put out the eyes of the press with the sharp pens of the censorship. You regard it as despotic to cut a free person's hair against his will, but the censorship daily cuts into the flesh of thinking people and allows only bodies without hearts, submissive bodies which show no reaction, to pass as healthy! " https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1842/free-press/ch04.htm

>>49368 Marx, wise as he was regarding economics, also lived in an era where "doctors" really were pretty much all thieving quacks of one variety or another. Nothing at all like the discipline of modern medicine existed in his day. I think if Marx were alive today and saw firsthand the everyday lifesaving miracles brought about by science, he'd change his tune on the subject.

>>49395 Not him, but nothing has changed. In fact, it has gotten worse. Marx described the very immutable core of allopathic medicine.

>>49362 Then you haven't hung around conspiratards too much. Check out David Icke, he's been around for a while. Basically the type of mentality that currently manifests as "Bill Gates and George Soros are sterilizing our women!!". >>49363 It's not that simple, since their idiocy has effects of functional people as well. When Cletus and Tyrone take up the ICUs, your granny is outta luck if she has a heart attack. If our medical system had the balls to actually tell people to fuarrrk off if they're entirely responsible for their own predicaments, I'd agree.

>>49395 It got better but malpractice didn't vanish. A simple example - xray machines are expensive. So what do? Use it as much as possible to make it pay for itself. Result: Doc xrays everyone he can as much as possible even if not required. This means more people get cancer from xray overuse because doc tries to make money. And this is from an article i read in our equivalent of nature journal so its acknowledged by the scientific community itself. The basic problem is economical - what benefits the doc doesn't equally benefit the patient.

>>49395 >Nothing at all like the discipline of modern medicine existed in his day. haha

>>49405 >It's not that simple, since their idiocy has effects of functional people as well. When Cletus and Tyrone take up the ICUs, your granny is outta luck if she has a heart attack. If our medical system had the balls to actually tell people to fuarrrk off if they're entirely responsible for their own predicaments, I'd agree. Yeah, I was being flippant. This is definitely an important concern. I'm just so sick of these stupid anti-science fuarrrknuts believing whatever quackery they see on their youtube or facebook feeds, and/or believing that covid isn't even real. If they just died quietly at home when they finally contract a serious case instead of coming to hospitals on the brink of death and wasting medical resources, then everyone would be better off. There's been an estimated 5.2 billion doses of the various vaccines (all based on two basic technologies), and practically no-one who's fully vaccinated is ending up in hospital even if they get a breakthrough infection, and extremely few people are suffering from adverse reactions more serious than chills for a day or so. In most of the first world, getting a vaccination is free and fast - even in the US. Outside of extremely rare genuine medical reasons for not getting a vaccination there's no excuse to not get it. But I guess this is what happens when the American population is propagandized for a century that "everything a government does is evil!" and whose only interaction with their medical system is life-savings-draining bills for procedures that are free in civilized countries with universal free medical care. It's trained Americans to deny the seriousness of medical problems in the hopes that everything will magically get better, and to try to use cheap quack remedies like horse de-wormer.

>>49410 You could also point at capacity being reduced during the pandemic. Justify that soykaf.They pulled the rug under you and you took the bait blaming it on morons instead of noticing them cost cutting. Next you can look at some stats and panic over unvacced being more than vacced in the hospital but you forget that among those unvacced are 80+ old patients who already were close to dead and couldn't take the vacc in first place. That soykaf cant be solved by le vacc more because you cant vacc them without risking sending them already over the jordan weak as they are.

>>49410 "Anti-science". Morons like you don't care at all about the science, only about blindly believing whatever the establishment tells you. These vaccines do not produce the immune response required for dealing with respiratory diseases. No IgA mucosal antibodies to neutralize viral particles in the airways nor T-cell responses for killing infected cells. Instead they flood your blood with antibodies that can only interact with the infection once it reaches your lower lungs and blood supply. If you expect this to be the case with a covid infection i.e. you are >60 and diabetic then you should take the vaccine. For anyone else all you are doing is weakening your immune system and turning yourself into a walking disease propagator, one that creates variants that will specifically make the vaccine useless for people that actually need it. On the plus side you are enriching large pharma companies and helping bring about a medical-totalitarian state. It is disgusting to see people actively making this disease worse out of fear and stupidity, and then hear these same people moralising about how great they are for taking the vaccine and how evil and stupid and "anti-vaxxers" are. If you are scared of being infected by a disease with a severity between the common cold and the flu then there is something wrong with your perception of reality. Do you lack any ability to think for yourself? Is it not suspicious to you that there are no good existing vaccines for respiratory diseases? That there are no other mRNA vaccines? Subunit vaccines in generally are rare and difficult to implement correctly, and we are supposed to believe that several of them that were created in a rush actually work properly?

>>48964 I was rolling with it until I saw the cycle they put us through in Israel they want us to take the 3rd shot now but this entire thing seems pretty suspicious... I wont be taking the 3rd shot, They will just make us take the 4th and 5th after that...

>>49405 The projection is incredible. It's not that I don't know about Icke, it's that YOU don't know about anything other than Icke. You've conflated things together and have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, norm!es are this stupid. Incredible. Wasn't like this when I was growing up. >>49413 >Do you lack any ability to think for yourself? They do. Unfortuantely the best case scenario is letting them get maimed to the point where they're either forced to wake up, or they can be easily enslaved later.

>>49410 Ultimately, with these types it comes down to the fundamental decision that there is no objective, external reality that we actually need to respect and acknowledge. Ideological convenience is the first priority. It's a mistake to think that presenting any amount of data or empirical fact would ever convince someone who fundamentally does not think that what goes on inside their head should in any way be affected by what goes on outside their head. That's a tendency that has always existed, but been accelerated by internet echochambering - there's no longer a common, shared sense of reality that we can use as a reference point.

>>49417 Nothing fundamentally changed from old times. Just as the catholic and evangelists bashed heads or the commies vs capitalists or the purists vs hedonists you have now the new clubs bash heads online. Most people can also never be more than npcs because they are simply too stupid to process information. You cant expect from someone who failed statistics to read and understand publications and that's more than half of university grads if you ignore welfare grades from grading on a curve which means the majority of the population are too stupid for decision making.

>>49418 Logic and intuition trumps statistics. Someone can wander through garbage in, garbage out stats mindlessly for ages when someone who understands natural laws could readily tell them what they're considering is between improbable and impossible.

>>49419 logic and intuition are just subconscious statistics but thats beside the point when your original issue is that people use the same publications for opposite talking points. Sure academia is also fuarrrked with the reproduction crisis but even if it was perfect - it wouldn't matter cause people cant read anyway.

>>49413 >Do you lack any ability to think for yourself? Is it not suspicious to you that there are no good existing vaccines for respiratory diseases? That there are no other mRNA vaccines? Actually, mRNA vaccines have been in development for a decade - initially aimed at certain viruses known to trigger certain cancers (such as HPV) and the more common types of flu. The tech was actually on the verge of human trials when covid-19 came along, and turned out to be just the technology we needed to mass-produce an effective vaccine for the virus we're facing. And now that the covid-19 mRNA vaccines are so effective, scientists are even on the verge of using the same tech for previously-uncrackable viruses like HIV. Has it not occurred to you that science can advance? That new technologies can be developed, especially when massive amounts of money is thrown at the problem instead of researchers having to scrape for every grant dollar they can? What the fuarrrk is up with this soykafty attitude that "thing never done before, therefore thing not possible"?

>>49395 >lived in an era where "doctors" really were pretty much all thieving quacks of one variety or another. Nothing at all like the discipline of modern medicine existed in his day lmao A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html

>>49440 >Actually, mRNA vaccines have been in development for a decade - initially aimed [continues regurgitating the narrative we've all already heard] Yet you don't realize you're proving his point yet further. Zero original thought, zero analysis. A golem.

>>49419 stats are a combination of logic and intuition. It's built on very rigorous math and a competent statistician will consider confounding variables you probably can't even think of, and obviously would also consider the underlying natural laws. I really fuarrrking hate the "stats are just a lie bro" ''''argument'''', especially because I've literally never seen somebody who is willing to disregard stats in general, they always turn around and re-interpret the numbers to confirm their point (usually with logically unsound arguments).

>TL;DR this thread: 1. Everyone is big into epistemology but only when it makes them feel smart. 2. All sorts of radical people on all sides failing to understand that they are rejected both by the unaffirming center and by different camps of radicals not for their stance/opinion, but for being radical about it. Just so you get it: if you have a normative stance (people should do X), that is exactly why you're being rejected and hated. 3. Many people are dumb. < > People of all kinds think that most other people are dumb.

>>49440 If they were in development for a decade then what approved mRNA existed before covid? It is not mRNA vaccination that gives us a chance against covid; it is covid that gives mRNA vaccines the crisis they needs. There is nothing actually new about the mRNA vaccines. Nothing clever, nothing that corresponds to a better understanding of the immune system. Hurr durr just express a single viral protein in some random tissue literally a retarded monkey could come up with a better design. What did they change to reduce the likelihood of antibody dependent enhancement, which has been a problem for previous SARS vaccines? What did they do to tailor it to the path of respiratory infection to prevent transmission? What did they do to remove the selective pressure that will cause this coronavirus to mutate that single spike protein in response? What did they do to induce a T-cell response? What did they do to prevent the vaccine spreading throughout the bloodstream and damaging other tissues? The answer to all these is nothing. It is garbage science, done in a rush so that pharma companies can profit off of the suffering of humans and politicians can pretend to do something. Enjoy your fuarrrked up immune systems, half-yearly booster shots, and continuous stream of escape variants. >That new technologies can be developed, especially when massive amounts of money is thrown at the problem instead of researchers having to scrape for every grant dollar they can? This contradicts your earlier point, that these vaccines have been in development for a while. mRNA vaccines developed from grant money and then investment. What you are seeing now is not more science being developed because of a crisis, but a cash grab by being first-to-market. If you read the actual development of these vaccines it is almost directly sequence viral genome -> pick spike protein -> print off the mRNA vaccine for it. There is no time there to do more science. The rest of the money goes towards propaganda.

>>49443 >stats built on rigorous math not in praxis, most research doesn't come from statisticians trying to be autistically accurate, its people who just need some data for their idea and push numbers around til it looks convincing based on their single course they had mandatory in first semester so they can publish and get credit. Your outlook on the reality is way to idealistic.

>>49443 >A competent statistician Weasel word detected. Otherwise you might as well argue "all stats are perfect and you're just an idiot for disagreeing, and by the way, you aren't even competent to assess whether a given statistical analysis and sampling method is legitimate so you should just submit to me and suck my dick too while you're at it. k thx" What a tired, infantile little game. Yeah, fuarrrk off.

>>49446 >praxis stupid word >most research doesn't come from statisticians trying to be autistically accurate mostly scientists plug-and-chug pre-built tools, which are statistically sound. The two issues are: not publishing negative results, and tuning data sets to get the desired outcome. Both of those have nothing to do with whether *stats itself* is sound, they have to do with whether people are honestly reporting their experimental outcomes. >>49447 If you don't know what you're talking about, you should not talk as if you know what you're talking about. I think this is basic common sense. I definitely don't think 'all stats are perfect' because lots of statistical blurbs, in the sense of "X% of Y is Z", are just made up. But the math checks out and I'm fuarrrking tired of people dismissing data _just because they don't like it_. Come up with an actual reason why you think a study had incorrect conclusions instead of just saying stats are fake.

>>49449 I'm tired of people promoting data _just because they like it_. Again, garbage in, garbage out. All the rigor and posturing you can muster doesn't change that.

>>49450 Yes, I agree! >Again, garbage in, garbage out Then show it's garbage. Make an actual case. I've seen people make an incorrect statistical conclusion, and when I correct them using actual stats, using *the same data*, they regurgitate that stupid line. It's blatant bad faith argument.

>>49449 How is that word stupid? Its accurate opposite to theory. And i said in first post already - im not arguing against math. I said the same as you - people just fuarrrk arround with the variables til it looks good. The classic example is histograms where you change intervals for the desired outcome hiding the real data under it.

>>49451 Fair enough, but we can say that without the retardation and implicit demands that everyone grovels and is like kicking dead whales down the beach your brain dick. k thx.

>>49453 it's just a mispronounciation of 'practice'. People sound like they have a speech impediment when they use it irl.

>>49455 praxis is latin. Its the original way to write it and thats why its widely used.

>>49456 Latin isn't English.

>>49457 So what? People use latin over english all the time especially in med and since its shorter there's even a rational incentive to it.

Real question. Are any of the covid vaccines open source? Can you study their "source code" and "compile" them autonomously without stumbling at some patented practice or ingredient? Can I get a source code for any of Pfizer/Moderna/Spoutnic/whatever covid vaccine, visit my local medical lab and ask them to synthesize a dose for me? Are any of the previous disease vaccines open source? I haven't heard any instacne of this cuberpunk fiction-tier corporate fanboyism before, a vaccine was just a "vaccine" and I always assumed every country got same thing, and almost everyone synthesized it locally. I know smallpox was cured by injecting milder cowpox, or previously - applying warts directly on skin, so this can be considered bio-hacking, but not an open source practice same as cracked software despite being empirically "freer" than their closed source home-phoning vendor-locked originals, are nowhere near free as in freedom software and open source.

>>49461 They were going to make the Oxford vaccine open source so that like, Mozambique could manufacture it, but Bill Gates got them to license it to AstraZenica. But yes the whole situation with IP and corporations using the situation and 'lobbying' (bribes) to get free profits, is a fuarrrking circus. Been a long time coming though, the whole biomed complex works like this.

>>49461 Smaller private labs did their own stuff, we would have in fact more vaccs faster if they didn't get cock blocked by regulators to ensure big guys get entire market for max profit. Whats secret sauce is exact composition of additives to promote immune response and extend expiration date but that's not vital if your goal is just to get some vacc manufactured.

What about antibody tests? In my country you take a test and if it shows antibodies, you are essentially self-vaccinated, and don't need the jabs. Isn't it like this everywhere?

>>49467 > Isn't it like this everywhere? Ha...ha....ha.....

>>49467 No, they keep insisting that natural infection doesn't give "good enough" immunity and you have to get the shot anyway. Sounds like nonsense to me, the virus keeps evolving but they just keep adding more of the same vaccine. Anyway it seems pretty clear to me that the virus will become endemic so either we get another shot every 6 months or just accept that it'll be yet another cold virus you get every year and use the vaccines as a "bridge" to natural immunity. I'll also note that antibodies aren't the only mode of immunity, so even if you lose the antibodies over time you may still have some level of immunity.

>>49469 it amazes me that some people think we can "beat covid". It's with us forever, no amount of vaccination will change that.

>>49469 >use the vaccines as a "bridge" to natural immunity. Uh, do what now?

>>49471 Vaccine gives you enough immunity that when you inevitably catch it you are less likely to have any severe reaction, then from that point on you maintain your immunity through natural infections. Or you can just start off with natural infection, it's no skin off my back.

>>49472 I mean yeah, that word sequence makes grammatical and syntactic sense, but....

Can we just finally agree that no one should be forced to take the vaccine, and focus on something more interesting? Identifying corrupt doctors and getting fake vacc for example.

>>49467 In the Netherlands they will not test for antibodies unless you ask for it. Even then, you'll still have to take 1 vaccine after infection and they recommend you take a seconde dose.

>>49481 literally this. the safest bet I've seen is to have a doc who will let you make an appointment and come for your shot but who will throw away the dose and give you your proof of vaccination, assuming there is no protocol to verify whether you have been injected that is. I held off on it but I'm probably going to take that chance if my university decides to be a dick. just faking it is not a solution however, because that means being silently complicit with the draconian measures, at this point we need real change. never stop advocating for real change lains

>>49474 Why post if you're not going to say anything?

>>48967 You sh1lls really need some new lines. Take your meds

>>49486 There is nothing to be said. The idea that vaccination, any vaccination, is a bridge to anywhere is just nonsense. "Traditional" vaccines induce strictly Th2 immunity and can even weaken the immune system towards other strains, antibody levels rapidly drop then they hammer you with endless boosters. So you're left as an adult with no natural immunity to eg mumps, chicken pox, and so on. This vaccine is even more worthless for natural immunity, especially is ADE becomes a factor (woops!). It's literally just a big pharma talking point to tribal masses who see everything as a fight against the other. "Well the vaxx ain't workin but it'll serve as a bridge to victory! Press on!" Yeah, not how it works. This is the same crap people who get flu shots think, they get sick and believe it would have been worse otherwise. Newsflash, basically the only people who get the flu, are those who get flu shots. The only time I ever had the flu was when I was stupid enough to let them give me a shot as a child. Never before, never since, and I only hear this flu whining from people who get the shots and eat like soykaf on top of it.

I should state here that the CDC upper management, and all of the doctors they bring on to push covid in the media, are Jewish. All of them. Wallensky, Brytney and Miles Cobia, Jen Ashton, Peter Hotez.... Jewish. This is literally just a Jewish run psyop.

>>49494 >Sucking cock Cringe. Get your soykaf together man.

>>49493 >you are all paid to spread panic about this they do it for free. well at least until we have a social credit system in place, then they might be rewarded for being good boys and girls, rewarded as in "you don't get to lose your freedoms" and can board a plane or go to a bar

>>48964 >capitalists LOL! I didn't know it was capitalists occupying Palestine.

>>48982 I can agree with that. Something i notice is they are starting to move away from needed "booster" shots to now saying J&J now treats 98% of the other variants. If it means anything i do think this was a crisis not left to waste. No joke the vaccine companies made 3.2 trillion dollars so far off of this. Always look who stands to gain from this and if it's real through statistics than just believing blindly.

>>49490 >if I don't get sick no one will!

>>48982 >>49507 In my opinion they will stretch this virus and vaccination thing until they can start using a new narrative like climate change in mass scale as well, and keep hopping narratives until their desired end game, whether it is to make money or power

I'm just laughing my ass off seeing half of Americans turn to chugging down livestock de-wormer because they're paranoid lunatics, and turning their country into an even bigger mutation petri dish than it already was. The silver lining is that this is only going to hasten the fall of the American empire. Those of us in medium-power countries are looking forward to the return of a multipolar geopolitical situation where our influence can rise. I swear, if there was a zombie outbreak tomorrow, half of Americans would be out protesting for their right to get eaten by zombies. What a batshit-crazy country.

>>49508 how much do they pay you?

>>49510 India’s Ministry of Health recommends considering ivermectin as treatment also used in Latin America. Its an inexpensive generic drug that cant be profited from so bigpharma hates it or its a psyop to discredit any opposition to vaccines or alternative treatment, Also there are many studies that shows it is effective & has few sideeffects When will you fraggots stop trusting the media?

>>49513 acknowledging this would mean there is a solution = no emergency = no emergency rules = no mrna vacc can be passed under emergency regulation.

>>49507 >No joke the vaccine companies made 3.2 trillion dollars so far off of this I now fully understand why the Rotschilds invested all of their money in this market a few years ago.

>>49513 India's Ministry of Health couldn't find their ass with two hands and a flashlight. That country's citizens believe that the soykaf-clogged Ganges isn't actually soykaf-clogged, and it's perfectly OK to take a swim in what amounts to liquid E.coli, because the river is "holy". But hey, have fun with the medical advice you're getting from Doctor Facebook. I'm sure that'll go well.

>>49513 > Also there are many studies that shows it is effective & has few sideeffects Links to research papers?

>>49525 >Doctor Facebook come on, don't be like this, there is a sizeable number or people with more credentials than any of us pleading we use it and so far I know doctors have been using Ivermectin with success. (for >>49534 also: https://covid19criticalcare.com/guide-for-this-website/take-action-and-share-the-infos-with-your-doctor/) With as much safety data we have about Ivermectin it is beyond ridiculous how it is just being stamped a no show. I guess all it takes to convince people that Ivermectin use is nuts is to associate them with deniers that supposedly will cause our downfall. This is really anything but scientific and it hurts to watch. Seeing hot takes like >>49510 >>49525 is honestly terrifying for me. I really wonder what kind of future we have in stock, but by now I'm convinced we deserve it.

>>49538 Wasn't it cause orange man bad said use it? So they collectively ran opposite direction?

>>49540 Trump said to take the vaccine recently, and I don't think he's said anything about Ivermectin. You might be thinking of hydroxychloroquine. You're still taking that, right? It has proof from all the same sources. :)

>>49510 This is a literal Reddit brainwashed NPC talking point, IVM has been given to millions of people to cure them of river blindness and other ailments, I guess they're all just "livestock" though.

>>49540 No that was HCQ which was smeared by associating it with Trump. It was originally tried out in China and Korea as a treatment in the early stages of the pandemic. Guess what, it works.

>>49511 >a flippant remark? Nobody would ever post a flippant remark on the internet. Obviously you are a deep state wage slave.

Took the two doses and now I don't give a soykaf. Hopefully I don't get fuarrrked by the vaccine, hopefully I don't get fuarrrked by covid. But I'm done with all of it.

>>49546 I'm not fond of these manadatory vaccines since I believe its a cash grab. I'm just tired of seeing the vaxxers and anti-vaxxers wishing each other's death. This amount of madness made me bail out of politics and mainstream culture/life. Never have I seen such a topic create such colossal division. In any case, I pray that everyone be left alone and that those who took 2 shots didn't take them in vain by getting bullied to take a 3rd, a 4th... and so on

>>49547 Nope, it's time for punishment and revelations. The world is never going back to pretending it is sane the way it used to. That life is over and vaxxers themselves chose it.

>>48964 >Everyone knows the side effects of the second shot are worse than the first. >knows the side effects >side effects >side Everyone knows the "side" effects are the effects.

>>49566 If you want to be 100% correct. Technically, they aren't "side effects" but rather "Adverse events".

>>49547 I wish no death on anyone. The "vaxxers" are wishing death on the "anti-vaxxers"... Which is odd because not taking the covid vaccine is not inherently "anti-vax". But then again, look at how religious this type of messaging is: >>49562 This guy has such ZEAL, I almost respect it. But I look forward to our battle, if there is to be one. I know everyone is itching for war, to give young men purpose in life. I hope we are given the opportunity.

>>49569 I'm actually far less religious and irrational than the rest of you. My manner of thought and organization reflects the reality of people and how this place really works, it reflects the cycles of history. You cannot break that logic, I already have tried, many people did. Not trying to be a dick here, but this is a classic case of thinking you're one step ahead when you're really a few steps behind. Something to bear in mind. And you already know I'm right, hence the last two sentences.

>>49570 >I'm actually far less religious and irrational than the rest of you ..You thought I meant literally? Oh hell. >this is a classic case of thinking you're one step ahead when you're really a few steps behind. Nice self-referencing. It is appreciated, but also hilarious. Perhaps you are a decent troll. I wonder. I hope not. Either way, I don't think you genuinely understand where I, specifically, am coming from. You are building this idea in your head and you are entirely wrong. That's fine, it actually bolsters how I feel about where I am. You can try or not try to "be a dick". None of this is personal for me. For the record, I don't claim to "know better" than anyone. I don't want to "convert" anyone, in fact, I prefer you guys take the vaccination. It gives me more data to weigh the risks. :)

>>49573 Nah, you're living a fantasy. Everything you just stated about yourself you no doubt experience as such, and it's likely quite a durable self-delusion, but at your core it isn't actually true. It can't be. You're pretending for now, because you can, because overt force is not yet involved. This is how you separate reality from the inner labyrinth you've created. I'm not taking the vaccine by the way.

>>49578 >It can't be. It must suck to have to look up at me when trying to exude some weird superiority. I will kill anyone who tries to force me to do anything that I do not want to do. You cannot take that from me, I'd rather be dead, then you can inject my corpse with your garbage. Now take the vaccine, guy.

>>49580 Your response makes no sense.

>>49581 You were so worked up you didn't see it until just now. I love you bro but you need to calm down. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>49582 No, I saw it from the get-go. I just don't get it.

>>49176 Not really interested in the topic but this is an example of a bad chart - it is barely readable.

>>49546 yeah same. At this point the potential danger for me personally and everyone I care about is extremely low and seems likely to stay that way. I was on the way towards not giving a soykaf long before I got the shot though. I only got it because my parents wanted me to and I judged (after a significant amount of research) that I might as well. Seeing threads like this one, everywhere, all the time, made me realize I can't stand these stupid ideological "debates". I can't stand the dishonest reporting or the propaganda. People have so much certainty in their opinions with so little real understanding of the evidence. It's all just noise. And it's not at all unique to covid, it's just most pronounced there. So, I'm done. I'm heading to the ivory tower and I'm not coming out, because it is like kicking dead whales down the beach ass down here. >>49590 THANK you.

>>49593 I noticed by the "quality" of the post, halfchanners are too easy to spot. >>49591 >yeah same. At this point the potential danger for me personally and everyone I care about is extremely low and seems likely to stay that way. Same. I haven't grown a dick on my forehead yet and I stopped caring both about the virus and the potential side effects.

>>49484 This is bollocks. You don't have to take any vaccination. Though they are working hard to circumvent it, there's still such a thing as having ownership of your own body. NOBODY can force a vaccination on you. It's a total myth that there's any legal basis for it. It really riles me up to see that there's even a debate about this.

>>49603 There are people here that try to influence the discussion and the easiest way to point them out, is by calling them what they are.

>>49626 Except that's all bullshit. I posted >>49570 >>49578 and neither of them were posted on 4chan. You can just go check the archives for proof. This is some high quality propaganda. Accuse me of doing what you're doing with something which is falsifiable, but tedious and low grade enough to not bother.

>>48970 I've nicknamed my devices wintermute and that (you) made me wanna take some meds I had to double check this post wasn't me >Then you have the vaccines which the producers know full well they don't know what the effects of it in few years since they only had less than a year to test it. penicillin moldy bread kind of thing, the conditions were right. The knowledge was enough for a breakthrough - mRNA research is not less than a year old. You're not taking into account advancements in cellular biology. Regardless it's definitely a fuarrrking soykafshow

>>49538 I'm not questioning the safety of ivermectin, when used for the treatment of parasites, in doses safe for humans, under expert medical advice. I'm questioning the efficacy of gulping down doses designed for horses for a disease that's not caused by a parasite. At best it's just a placebo. >is honestly terrifying for me. I really wonder what kind of future we have in stock, but by now I'm convinced we deserve it. Americans have been under centuries of "governments equal evil distant faceless enemies" propaganda from their own ruling class, and associate proper medical care with rapacious life-savings-destroying private health companies. This couldn't have gone any other way for them. There's a reason that countries with higher levels of trust in public services and public willingness to engage in collective action have largely weathered the storm and are re-opening safely. I do believe that this disease was naturally occurring, but if I wanted to selectively hurt America, this is exactly what I would have sent it: a highly contagious airborne disease that's just deadly enough to overwhelm medical systems, not deadly enough to scare Americans into actually overcoming their innate hostility towards collective action, with a lengthy time delay between infection and symptoms to ensure maximum spread.

>>49642 Except.... none of that even happened. You're literally living in a movie and treating it as real.

>>49642 You have a common basic misunderstanding of meds. Its not one thing one purpose and meds don't work in animals and humans the same. Not even comparing to monkeys because we have several unique differences. This also applies more general to anything. A simple example is Natriumhydrogendcarbonat, its used for cleaning sold as Natron and is also sold as baking powder for baking. Oh no cleaning stuff is used in food??? This cant be happening! Same story replays constantly with different things.

>>49646 Did you really just FUKKING compare fuarrrking BAKING SODA, with a medical compound, specifically aimed at defeating parasites through a complex process of chemical and biological reactions that lead to the paralysis of said parasites?! I swear, people say Sh!t they know absolutely NOTHING about, and expect others to believe them. If you want to explain the complex workings of medications, at least do some research, at least a few minutes, k? Besides, the needed dose to kill off covid by the use of ivermectin is enough to lead to toxicity, so it is practically worthless as a medication against covid.

>>49647 Its a perfect example of common ignorance thinking solutions are specific. And you have no clue about specific targeting. In many cases they don't even know precisely why meds work. They accidentally find it works and use it for the new purpose. Also talk about toxic - most meds have side effects. Imagine tryharding it doesnt work on this level.

>>49643 >>49646 I give up. Believe what you want. If you end up in a hospital bed with a breathing tube rammed down your throat because you drank horse de-wormer instead of getting vaccinated and masking up, that ain't on me.

>>49651 i got a mask and you still wrong. Try living outside repeating memes.

>>49651 >drank horse de-wormer instead of getting vaccinated >You can only do these two things ...People actually believed this horse dewormer story.

I cant believe some of you are still defending this theater bread circus scenario. Its literally goal post moving. No one wants anything to do with the pandemic anymore besides force shots into people and then they need them every 6 months. Multiple countries including the untied states is saying it. Its literally like a money making scheme in the 1980s.

>>49659 I suspect they're bots.

>>49660 It could be possible

>>49660 There's really only three possible explanations for posts like this one >>49651 (I don't care what "side" of this argument you're on, this is just braindead regurgitated propaganda that's ruining this thread): 1. Lainchan has been flooded by redditors and similar hivemind NPCs who have no facility for critical or free thinking. 2. The amount of money the bourgeoisie are spending on covid propaganda is so immense they're even sending one or two of their real live paid posters to do their rounds here. Not impossible, remember even 8ch had confirmed FBI agents posting there. 3. There have been some recent breakthroughs in machine learning that allow bots to post semi-convincingly as humans here. It's a sad day for Lainchan if any of these are true.

>>49664 Same general deal ruined my 5G threads. The moment you start posting about 5G the "takes your meds schizo" crowd floods in. It's unnatural.

>>49664 >>49671 You're thinking pretty highly of yourself, a bundle of imageboard dwellers, just sayin'. Not all people reach to the meta-level, and prefer to pick sides, because it's easier (and oftentimes more practical) than endlessly discussing topics like these on the meta-level. Of course, a topic like this can be discussed, concluded and closed in a few dozen posts, as it's pretty obvious what the motivation behind the covid is. Still, we're having this thread here for discussing it, and therefore one shouldn't be angry about the way it goes, but simply engage in it or not, at his own discretion. I tried to steer this thread into a more utilitarian direction with >>49481 but it didn't gain much traction. It seems people are really more into ranting and throwing arguments at each other, while never being able to reach common grounds and making any kind of progress. This is not the fault of bots, or paid posters (an Idea I think of as improbable, because it requires Lainchan to be a formidable foe of the powerful, and that it is certainly not), but of the people deciding to engage in impotent screaming and not being able to have a goal-oriented, intense and ultimately productive discussion.

>>49674 >Suspecting automated bots on the internet is thinking too highly of yourself Assuming "I'm not important enough", classic mistake.

Automated bots have no cost. The entire point of it is you can deploy it everywhere for a few cents. 4chills became one of the most important marketing platforms. It has better roi than plebbit & facecrack when it comes to marketing to murrica (dont know eu because the report i read was for us). Now if you write software to market on 4chills you also can deploy on any other imageboard at no cost, sure this place doesn't matter much in terms of reach but its also costs nothing to deploy and you look better when you tell boss you deployed on 20+ boards instead of just one.

>>49677 nuh uh ur just pair annoyed u con spear is see theerist!!!

Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they're bots. Most people on lain are against their current government. The COVID approach differs per country, so it's not strange to see people wishing for measures if their government kept downplaying/ignoring everything. The opposite is true for countries with strict a strict approach >The government cannot be trusted so the reason they're not doing anything is because they don't care if we die. Profit (never limiting flights from Wuhan/India to prevent spreading COVID) rules over health vs >The government cannot be trusted so the reason they're forcing vaccines is because they don't care if we die. Profit (mandating costly vaccines that aren't tested enough) rules over health

>>49682 You didnt get full story because previous messages pointing it out got deleted alongside the spam posts, the botspam is clear botspam because its 1:1 same posts replying to each other as on other boards. Its an entire conversation line copypasted. So there is no way that was a real conversation. At best you could say its not botspam but just one crazy poster doing it manually.

>>49682 >Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they're bots. Absolutely. But discussion on lainchan has always been a lot more intellectual and reasonable than the average imageboard, and also been very outside the mainstream view of things. The flood of extreme low quality, thought-terminating, poo-flinging posts here that take the MSM narrative as gospel (hostile to even considering criticizing it) doesn't seem natural. Again, it's one thing to have a post here disagree on, for example, ivermectin and argue that it probably doesn't work as a covid treatment. Fair enough. It's another thing to have people here REPEATEDLY spamming this "It's horse medicine!" meme that is 100%, undeniably, disinfo, and has been refuted repeatedly here. There's a really limited set of explanations for these posts. "Best case" scenario is this board has attracted really stupid, but genuine, people. But there's absolutely nothing that rules out the possibility they are being paid to post here, or are bots.

>>49683 Again, that's bullshit. Some of those posts were mine, like I already told you. If you keep mindlessly repeating this I'll have to assume you're a bot.

>>49674 >I tried to steer this thread into a more utilitarian direction with >>49481 but it didn't gain much traction. "Identifying corrupt doctors"? Holy hell man. I'm genuinely curious what sort of country you live in where that's even a concern. Don't you have some sort of medical governing body that monitors doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals for malpractice? If a doctor in my country tried to use fake vaccines and news got out, their medical license would be suspended before the day was out. Our regulatory bodies do not fuarrrk around. I'm just happy that I live in a country with a 75%+ full-population full-vaccination rate (and rising) where proof-of-vaccination is required to enter a place of business for non-essential purposes. Once vaccines are approved for the under-12's I think we can push that number above 90% easily, and really reopen things properly.

>>49701 german here who worked hospital. You have no idea how common malpractice is. If they really fuarrrk up evidence vanishes or you signed agreement and its your own fault. Its ironic how people trust the hospital more than their car mechanic despite the former being way more critical. Oh and the things you mention also happened - several cases made press. I.E. one nurse broke the vacc box and so she did fake vaccination to pretend it didn't happen. She only got discovered cause she had a bad conscience and confessed. People are absolute npcs when it comes to trusting institutions.

>>49702 Seconded, people are putting to much trust into institutions. I personally have seen doctors do rough checkups and just prescribing antibiotics for every little cough. Where carelessness like this exists, more serious malpractice isn't far off. After all, "it's just a little more, just one more, just until I can pay for my family's trip, no one is being seriously hurt" applies everywhere, because we're all just people. Corruption seeps everywhere, and oftentimes those who are corrupt don't even see the harm in their actions. And now think about this vaccine: the harm in doing fake vaccinations is absolutely invisible, the doctor just does a little poke with saline, or nothing at all, and signs a few papers. No harm is done, he didn't kill anyone, he didn't hurt anyone, but he got what he wanted, he earned thankfulness, maybe even made some money on the fact that he could vaccinate more people. You shouldn't overestimate people. No one is perfect, and even your country's vaccination rate could be manipulated, or based on the mentioned fake vaccinations.

>>49701 >I'm just happy that I live in a country with a 75%+ full-population full-vaccination rate (and rising) where proof-of-vaccination is required to enter a place of business for non-essential purposes So you're OK with your government mandating people inject anything the government says into their bodies on penalty of being excluded from society?

>>49720 They would not be happy if it were "the other side" forcing them to do something they "they" think is "good for society" though.

>>48964 >How many more """booster shots""" are you willing to take to be considered """fully vaccinated"""??? At least 8 in total according to the French vaccine passport app. Pic related. Conspiracy theorists (that somehow knew the conspiracy of vaccine passports would not be a conspiracy) also state that the (inital) plan is for 2 shots per year to start with.

Sup lainons, it might end up that I'm forced to get vaxxed. Is there any way to flush that soykaf out of my systen if that happens.

>>49743 Nope. All you know is what they tell you they think is in it.

>>49743 Flush out what exactly?

>>49753 Spike proteins, etc.

>>49728 That's Italian but nice find in any case.

>>49763 That's Catalan but nice find in any case.

>>49145 I think it's arrogant to assume we actually know what genetic traits will be beneficial in the long-term, especially when superficially "positive" traits can be inextricably linked with undesirable ones. Monocultures get wiped out.

>>49743 One thing I noticed was that I peed a lot after the second shot, probably 12 times the next day, but I might have just drunk more than usual.

>>49769 Something that gets addressed too rarely is how hybridization reduced vitamin content across the board and increased allergens in wheat because the only thing they selected for was growth speed. Food literally got worse because nobody controlled for quality. And the customer is of course blind since its not listed anywhere so the market cant select for it either.

>>49743 Bring your yarmulke. >>49771 This is how corporations argue in favor of genetic engineering. "Traditional hybridization" (e.g X-ray, UVA irradiation, chemically-induced mutations, etc) they say, is chaotic and affects a spread of traits, genetic engineering is more precise and affects only desired trait. But now everyone is against genetic engineering of humans too.

>>49772 It's not "engineering", it's arrogant tampering.

>>49772 >But now everyone is against genetic engineering of humans too. Doesn't matter. You can buy your designer baby for over a decade now, they push fertilized eggs in lab to 4cell stage, split and sequence one while keeping the others for implantation in surrogate mother if you like the result. Allows you to select hair color etc. as well as screen against diseases. Baby is grown in women from poor countries so you keep your wife riskfree. I don't know current prices but when i delved into it price was ~150k.

>>49743 I had to get vaxxed because military... I found a place that has Johnson and Johnson (Janssen) which is basically like any other vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html I felt pretty soykaf for like 3 days (sleepy and cold) but am fine now. I had the anthrax shot too, and that one fuarrrked me up a lot worse. Considering I really don't have a choice except loosing medical and pension if I quit, it was the lesser of two evils. Also I cant get the RNA vaccine because I am already "vaccinated." I decided to get it >because i had to for work (not like I have too much of a choice) and its required to attend Uni and soykaf now too. So much for government vaxx passports, corporations are already implementing them. >because I could choose to do it before I was forced to get it, so I had a choice in which vaccine i get >1 shot using normal vaccine technology (won't turn you into a lizard) so I don't have to go back for more doses >minimal side effects (unlike horror stories from RNA vaxx) >So far no boosters in sight as far as I can tell

>>49775 I remember the first public announcement of gene spliced babies. I always imagined it would come from china, the only place where morals are more like an obstacle to financial gain compared to bragging rights. Proof of concept has been shown to be feasible, despite being really unethical at this point and basically how every sci-fi dystopia starts. >During the Hong Kong conference, Dr. He said he used in vitro fertilization to create human embryos that were resistant to H.I.V., the virus that causes AIDS. He said he did it by using the Crispr-Cas9 editing technique to deliberately disable a gene, known as CCR₅, that is used to make a protein H.I.V. needs to enter cells.

>>49720 >So you're OK with your government mandating people inject anything the government says into their bodies on penalty of being excluded from society? Yes, so long as the decisions on what vaccines are approved are made by boards of reputable medical doctors and scientists with deep expertise. It's good public health policy. Vaccinations save lives. They prevent the spread of dangerous diseases and the subsequent overwhelming of public health systems. (Hi Florida, how are things going th- Oh. Oh...) Also, it's nothing new. Where I live, all schoolkids are required to be inoculated for many diseases by law before they can even set foot in a school: diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, meningitis, whooping cough, and chickenpox. I have no problem with covid-19 mRNA vaccines being added to that list, given the proven safety of the vaccines for over-12-year-olds, and the ongoing good news coming out of the under-12-year-old clinical trials.

>>49788 the Asgard on star gate SG1 had mandatory vaccination, then they fuarrrked up their genome so much they went extinct. a proper experiment means we should let 1/2 people not be vaccinated and maybe die. no shame in dying.

>>49788 I think you are missing a crucial point of policy... The requirement to be vaccinated should not predicate the refusal for basic human rights. Participating in an opt-in social setting is a valid justification if all the people there determine it to be (public schools) but you can always homeschool children if you do not want them to be vaccinated. The case could be made that in the absence of outsiders, there was no problem with the ultra-orthodox jews not vaccinating their children. They also should not hold the rest of society responsible for their medical bills if they could have prevented all of their kids getting measles or whatever. The decision to be vaccinated (or not) is a human right. But people should not be pushed into a corner to do so. When the government puts stipulations on people being vaccinated for historically used and well documented vaccines, there is a vast difference than pressuring people to use a still unfully tested technology, then refusing to accept responsibility for their demand. The fact that up until about 2 weeks ago, the vaccines were still not fully approved, and were being heavily pushed to the point of peoples rights being subdued for refusal to be vaccinated is what sparked most of the controversy.

>>49788 >Yes, so long as the decisions on what vaccines are approved are made by boards of reputable medical doctors and scientists with deep expertise. Are you a literal child? How can you hold such a naive worldview?

>>49789 >the Asgard on star gate SG1 had mandatory vaccination, then they fuarrrked up their genome so much they went extinct. The Asgard were also fictional. (And that was a really bad show.) >a proper experiment means we should let 1/2 people not be vaccinated and maybe die. Already happening in a lot of American states. And oh, look at that, covid rates are skyrocketing with almost all the hospitalized cases being among the unvaccinated, and almost all the vaccinated who still end up sick (a pretty small number) having very mild cases. Sounds like some pretty solid scientific evidence to me. >>49790 >The decision to be vaccinated (or not) is a human right. But people should not be pushed into a corner to do so. If someone doesn't want a vaccine, fine. But decisions have consequences. Where I live we're about to start enforcing a vaccine passport system. Someone unvaccinated can still go to essential businesses like grocery stores, banks, gas stations, hotels, medical and dental clinics, etc. (with a proper mask of course). What they won't be able to do is attend nonessential businesses and services in person. Theatres, sporting events, concerts, bars, clubs, gyms, trade shows, restaurants, public transit including air travel - all off-limits to the unvaccinated. Vaccination will also be required to visit someone in a licensed long-term care home. And pretty much every university is making it mandatory to set foot on campus as well. If someone wants to exercise their right to not get vaccinated, they have options. They can order takeout food, watch movies online, use a treadmill, homeschool their kids, drive between cities instead of fly, or take uni classes over zoom. Less convenient of course. But that's the consequences of that decision. I've got zero sympathy or patience for them anymore. Screw'em. >>49792 >Are you a literal child? How can you hold such a naive worldview? No, I simply don't have paranoid delusions that a global Big Pharma conspiracy is plotting to alter my DNA.

>>49794 >No, I simply don't have paranoid delusions that a global Big Pharma conspiracy is plotting to alter my DNA. That may be true but they are definitely working as hard as they can to deprive you of your money. make no mistake... those doctors you are talking about do exist, but their bosses are money men and they're the one who make things happen.

>>49794 >decisions have consequences dumbest phrase decisions have consequences, if i dont like your shirt color i have the right to murder you. You like consequences right? Great job retard.

>>49798 yo, this is a big, fat, throbbing example of exaggeration used as a rhetorical tactic to practice demagoguery in an attempt to convince gullible newf4gs that the world is out to get them. Nice try, bioluminescent government official of certain ethnicity.

>>49803 youre an example of getting iq filtered. Heres a translation for idiots: decisions might have consequences but they should be appropriate instead of anything goes and what is appropriate is up for debate.

>>49795 >make no mistake... those doctors you are talking about do exist, but their bosses are money men and they're the one who make things happen. "Tell me you're an American without saying that you're an American." Not all countries have nightmare dystopic for-profit health care systems designed to siphon as much cash as possible into HMO bank accounts. Here in Canada, medical doctors are almost always self-employed in private practices. They don't have bosses. They're paid by provincial governments based on services rendered to their patients (with funding assistance from the federal government), on a standardized pay schedule. For example, here's the one for my province: https://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/ohip/sob/physserv/sob_master20210314.pdf. It's basically illegal for doctors here to charge patients any fees for medical services. They can charge fees for administrative stuff (like a doctor's note) but that's limited by law as well. There's some exceptions to this, like military doctors who are actually employees of the armed forces, or research scientists and professors employed by universities. There's also some who specialize in cosmetic specialties (like laser eye surgery). But even in those cases there's no "money men" higher up than the self-employed doctor. This is why I find it so difficult to discuss medical issues with Americans. It never even occurs to many of them that a different approach to health care than the mercenary American one can even exist.

>>49806 there's a difference between clinical doctors and doctors who work for pharma corps and/or public health agencies. you're deluded as hell if you think there's no corruption in the Canadian healthcare system

>>49806 >based on services rendered to their patients means how he treats you affects his financial gain so there's still a money incentive. If the gov pays the doc, the gov is the boss. Doc gets paid more prescribing one over another med? Guess what he will prescribe you? And you do pay for this - your insurance cost is based on the expenses of the health care system. So if the system as a whole incentivizes prescribing overpriced meds everyone in the chain makes money of you blindly paying insurance and never controlling what they do under the hood because of the "its all free" meme.

>>49805 And >>49798 is a prime example of someone who skipped out on reading comprehension in school. >>49794 never said anything ridiculous, he stated some very reasonable restrictions and consequences for people who refuse to aid in halting the spread of an illness that has been proven to cause severe health issues, and can cause infertility, without restricting them in their basic human rights, namely staying alive and well. Healthcare, food, education, is still available, but they have to overcome hurdles to access everything that goes beyond that. Does this segregate people? Yes. Can a 2- or 3-class society develop in such an environment? Of course. But it would be delusional to think that this would be humanities first situation like that, and it is ridiculous to say, that some minorities need for personal freedom is more important than the wish of the majority to stay healthy and safe. You don't have to cite any jeffersons or washingtons on me, i know these quotes, and i agree that personal freedom is important, but personal freedom also entails personal responsibility for your actions. And If the majority wants to hold you accountable for your unwillingness to halt a virus that is percepted by the majority as a danger that is greater than the loss of some freedoms, then it is their right to do so, and you have no choice but to either bend to their will, or choose a life as either a hermit or a rebel who fights the system, however successful he may be. This is the reason why i consider >>49798's statement to be exaggeration in bad faith, and a form of demagoguery. If this is your statement, then your follow-up (>>49805) is a weak one, trying to cover up your attempt at dividing and agitating lurkers and posters alike.

>>49806 Coming from a Latin American country with free healthcare I thought the pic was meant that he died and that's why the show ended, it also sounded funnier this way. I can only dream of ever getting access to quality care in a competitive market ever in my lifetime.

>>49821 >its harmful so getting cray is okay We had worse diseases without going insane for safety, Going by newest reports bad flu years were already worse than this. You got memed by media and follow blindly. Prime npc example. Also youre delusional if you think the majority wants this. They just play along cause its easier to live like that. There is very simple evidence for that - nobody participates in this charade until forced.