21, Accomplished Nothing

I was taking to some friends, they were asking questions to keep everyone talking and one of those questions were: "Is there anything you're proud of". I could not think of a single thing, I'm almost 22, I'm in school struggling and I cannot think of a single thing that I'm proud. Everything I've done is to be expected of me by my peers and parents. Does anyone else feel like this? Is it right to feel this way and how do I get out of this rut?

Imagine being in your early 30s with nothing accomplished hahaha. I should kms. I keep putting it off

>>45538 You're still young, you're not supposed to have accomplished anything. If you have a job or are in college that's literally everything you should have accomplished by now. Just chill, you're doing fine.

>>45538 not trying to be an asshole lain but it never gets any better. everybody has grandiose dreams and aspirations when they're younger; getting older is the process of learning to live with disappointment that those things will never come to fruition. people will never be what you'd hoped they'd be, wifes/girlfriends will never be that level-headed life partner you'd always dreamed of, etc. life is just one big disappointment after the next. i felt the same way as you at your age but figured "well I still have lots of time", now I'm 29 and have thoroughly given up. i just live frugally on the dole and let life pass me by now. i don't want to go so far as to say that we live in hell but i firmly believe this material world is evil and not worth engaging with.

>>45541 Some invented new soykaf in their 60s. You only truly lost when you stop playing. Its the basis of any game - you gotta tryhard to see exceptional success unless you into gambling.

kys if you feel like it if not stop whining like a little bitch and do what you want to with your life

>>45542 sometimes you're just born with a bad hand. i mean sure if i tried hard i'd probably be able to acquire material success like you mentioned, but that doesn't mean anything anyway. what's the point of material success when the only thing you have to look forward to is a cunt of a wife who you do everything for and is never satisfied? the only things that matter are human connections and most people are fuarrrking trash, so either you spend your entire life wading through trash unless you get lucky or you just let time pass in quiet resignation and wait for our time of suffering on this planet to be over. most people don't realize this because they're trash themselves, and so are perfectly content to continue in their unhealthy, absolutely retarded relationships they have with people.

>>45538 I'm proud that I resisted indoctrination and self-studied. I suggest learning on your own and getting essential skills that way. Also, do not compare your own history with the history of others. It is not a contest and many of these other people have to rely on compliments from strangers and con artists (their employers) for self-approval.

>>45538 Do a bit of introspection and try to find some small detail of your personality and interests that did not come from influence of others. Something small that seems to have appeared out of nowhere. Expand on that in a creative way. It is different for every person, so try not to ask around but look for it by yourself, in yourself.

>>45543 easier said than done, willpower isn't the answer for everything. especially when the underlying problem could be mental health

>>45538 doesn't matter. the pizza hut guy borrowed $600 and is now a multi-million multi-national food industry. the rate of growth is what you should care about.

Most people don't achieve anything in particular. They're proud over mundane irrelevancies. Basically the difference is self-esteem and low standards.

die in a war? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZWzscp3vc4

I fail to meet my goals at the rate of what's apparently an unrealistic expectation. I felt better when I realized it didn't make me happy, so there's no point lamenting it, because there be no alternation which would make me happy, that I see. Regardless, I still try, and succeed. Start a website, start writing, and start creating something meaningful. That worked for me.

I've been like that, OP. I'm now almost 30 and fighting for virtue (and financial gains). Remember you're still young and capable of doing many many wonderful things and that there's no decent tree without it's roots buried deep in the darkness of the underground. Please don't get desperate. Try fixing small things that are under your control first and try not to fall for the illusion of dealing with great projects and deeds right now. You just need to pick yourself up from the ground by distracting your own mind from booze, read some good stuff (like something about spirituality or deep psychology), watch some wholesome movies, do some basic physical exercise and find some figure to inspire you. You got to care for yourself in the first place. Having "something to be proud of" would be worthless if you did so while hating or despising yourself. Many people do this, like graduating for medicine because of their parents. I have seen many smart young people falling even after they do something great, kids getting fuarrrked up by cocaine and soykaf like that, because they had no roots, no feet on the ground. What society thinks doesn't matter, time is not absolute, you're still young AF and this is a huge brain grinder, friend. Try to enjoy yourself in a healthier way. Try to love yourself in the first place and you will find something cool to do and be proud of. It would be a lot easier, trust me.

Accomplishments are subjective. They are constructs of the mind and do not exist objectively. You're also too young to be financially stable anyway. Instead of feeling bad for not having "accomplished" anything, you should feel bad for being a little bitch that knows nothing about life. If you're down because of such a trivial thing, you still have lots to learn.

>>45538 You don't "get out of the rut" because there is no rut. You are mediocre, and the best possible outcome of your life is to get a job you don't hate or can tolerate so you can survive. If you're really lucky you also won't rent or will inherit a home. I'm 35 and it took me thirty years to accomplish just that. And through it all everything will be stripped from you. All delusions, all idealism, all sense of being here to do something or "accomplish great things." Your life will revolve around paying bills, deciding which laundry detergent to buy and other things to occupy your time while you wait to die. Because there is nothing special about you or me. Everything you consider personality, interesting tidbits about yourself, eccentricity or genuine interest into this or that is just a part of growing up. It's like toys. You'll leave it all behind and the memory of them will make you embarrassed.

>>48610 why not just go nuts?

>>48610 Are you alright lainon? There's a line between cynicism and depressive nihilism and I think you've crossed it.

>>48611 That's a childish notion that doesn't resonate. >>48612 You'll be like me in no time.

>>48613 >that's a childish notion that doesn't resonate your insistence on your own boringness is more childish. Nothing screams "I never grew out of my edgy phase" more than acting trapped when you are the one deciding to stay the same way.

>>48610 lol I'm in my 30s too and refuse to accept that life. I was married once and never again. I will not "buckle down" and accept the bullshit narrative they push on us. That you have WILLINGLY accepted it is such a sad and miserable state of affairs. To the OP - do not accept the idea of "accomplishments". For a vast majority of people in the world, 99.9999999% will be forgotten in a century or two, completely wiped from collective memory. Enjoy your life and take what joy you can. Productivity is a load of soykaf. It's all garbage to brainwash you into being a good little drone. Believe in yourself as you are and not in ideas pushed on you regarding who you should be.

>>48610 Possibly only good post I have read on this soykaf website on years. Thank you, lainon.

>>48610 You should've mentioned that life also is only good if you make it good. Living is like digging through a pile of shiiet, and picking out those little pieces of diamond that are good moments. Or you can just huff the vapors (take drugs) and hopefully go out by 30.

>>45538 Don't worry lain, you have a lot of time ahead of you. Unless you die which isn't bad thing at all. We all die some day. While you are alive, you can start with self improvement. Stay away from the snake's oil salesmen and learn critical thinking. Read Atomic Habits and surround yourself with inspiring people (you can join our pair programming matrix room if you like coding, hopefully that'll help). Try new things and see what you love and stick to it. Even mediocrity isn't bad, you don't need excellence do live a good life. >>48610 It'll get better man. There is nothing to feel ashamed of, in fact you it's totally up to you what you do while you are waiting to die. >>48615 Depends on the type of productivity. Being productive is great. Doing soykaf feels good af. Listening to hustle culture influencers and conmen does not, at least not for long. Have a great day <3

>>48610 This man speaks the truth. A lot of people aren't willing to accept that they are mediocre. Now I need to get back to my self-improving because I am not a mediocre princess. Hail victory.

It could be worse. You could be a 25 y/o NEET who never got a job or degree. h-haha...

>>48610 Advice by a loser for losers. (sorry, lain) >>45538 If you ever believe opinions such as this, you're already lost. Resist that kind of lifestyle. I've always believed I'm mediocre until I started getting better grades compared to other people despite putting less effort into it. An online IQ test showed my intelligence is above average, explaining my results. It is easy to think you're mediocre, if you don't try. Find your thing and follow it, work hard and avoid NPC-tier lifestyle.

God some people in this thread are really sad and it just makes me wish I could buy you a beer or something. As for things to be proud of: Anything that feels fulfilling - it's not really rocket science. Take pride in your work, as pride in oneself is usually an exaggeration. Be wary on comparison of your work to that of others, it's easy for it to trap you into self-loathing if you have low self-esteem. Anyways; that's just my two cents, there are people smarter than me whose advice is probably worth more.

>>48630 The latter really has more to do with being able to afford it in the first place, I suspect.

May be you can consider education a job, you study to produce impact in the future. Impact is easy to understand. It is solving a problem that will improve life of majority. "Majority" is the key word since solving a problem for a just a few will not always produce an impact. Definitely helping wealthy few will not produce an impact. If what you study will not allow this impact to happen, consider studying something else. >>48636 The goal of work is to reduce suffering and this can't be done by just trying to do something fulfilling or individually.

>>48641 >May be you can consider education a job, you study to produce impact in the future. Impact is easy to understand. It is solving a problem that will improve life of majority. I do not study for this reason at all. I study to understand things.

>>48642 We all study to understand things. What things, in what order?

Yall need to watch TTGL or something. Sometimes it's the hopes and dreams that make the spice of life feel worth it. If you want to achieve that by lowering the bar or by putting in the effort, that's up to you... Maybe a combination of both is what's best My two cents is that progress doesn't have to be big to be progress, if you learn to be satisfied with improving yourself little by little everyday, life can be pretty fun

>>48610 holy slave morality

I am 23 and graduated. I am not proud of anything, im also not ashamed of anything. Some people are motivated by rewards or the "end", and sometimes the only reward is the pride from it or a story to tell. Others though are motivated by process and doing. I have depression, without a doubt, not only is it diagnosed but it makes intuitive sense to me how my brain is different from a non depressed person. I am only content if I am moving towards the next "thing". This isnt sad, im not upset about it, its just how I stay sane. The benefit is that I can explore something only to have it not pan out at all and not feel any type of way about it, except that I had a fun time exploring it. To someone more reward focused that whole experience seems like a huge waste of time id bet. My point is that in spite of what people say you don't need to feel proud or gleam motivation from your past accomplishments at all to be a functioning human being. That is a way of being a functioning human being. I will say if you arent someone who gets a lot of reward out of "finishing" something, or isnt someone who is proud of things they did and would rather move onto the next thing, that you also let go of regret. See everything as just inevitable, I almost dropped out of college the final semester I needed to graduate and if I did id of thought nothing of it. Just as I completed it instead and feel no better or worse. I just simply had to graduate, and I enjoyed struggling to. In fact I am unhappy it is over, and I will be not satisfied until I find the next thing to work towards. And thats okay, im pretty confident il be "content" when I die.

What really gets me is that unearned aura of smarminess people like you have. What you described is the path of least resistance, that doesn't equate to inevitability at all and you aren't more mature than anyone for passively succumbing to it.

>>48664 is for >>48610

This is Khabiz, he is a Hunza man. He lives high in the Pakistan mountains. He has no money or savings beyond his wife kids and 3 goats. While you stress mald and age over numbers on a screen he swims in glacial lakes and lives to a ripe old age of 140. While you settle for a used cumdump bimbo whore who only loves you for your wallet he gets a beautiful virgin hunza girl who does her wifely duties. While you fap to degenerate porn and get fat on Macdonalds he enjoys fresh meat dairy and bread and makes love to his wife. While you desperately search for meaning in a postmodern nihilistic world, he already has it, in God and his ancestors. You go to filthy nightclubs, bars and other pits of sin and betrayal, whilst he has great parties and healthy dances with the rest of his village and people. He will die surrounded by his children, and his other elders, and his friends and extended family, who will spend days and days in deep mourning for him, and count him amongst their forefathers. You will die alone, abandoned likely to an old folks home by your disinterested muttoid children. You can make big on BTC and get your 9000$ gaming PC, your Porsch, your bimbo meat toilet and your McMansion, but will you ever be truely as wealthy as Khabiz? No, I think not.

>'m almost 22, I'm in school struggling and I cannot think of a single thing that I'm proud What are other people proud of? Getting a job or graduating, maybe having a nice car or residence, a lot of people are proud for having children. Are these good reasons to be proud of, personally i dont think so at all. The question is what can you be proud of and even why would/need you to be proud of anything. Achivements are very relative, you could find a cure for cancer or you can become a pro gamer, its all relative. Why would you want to be proud of something, to gain acceptance among your peers? Ask yourself seriously what do you really want from yourself. Also 22 is still pretty young an age, there still is a lot ahead of you, you just need to figure out what road you want to go down on.

>>45538 21 in a month here, I used to think the same, until a few years ago i made a list of positive things i did, even stupid soykaf like "got a gf", "passed x exam", "wrote x article" and i still update that. It helps a lot, maybe the 95% of things here aren't something you go out and say "i'm proud of this", but at least you'll remeber that you did that 5%. Another thing that helped me was doing things for the sake of doing it, i stopped to think about "things i do for me/things i do for others, why i'm doing that bla bla", i just focus and think on what i'm doing.

>>48676 > While you stress mald and age over numbers on a screen he swims in glacial lakes and lives to a ripe old age of 140. That would be an extreme outlier for someone without access to modern medicine. > While you desperately search for meaning in a postmodern nihilistic world, he already has it, in God and his ancestors. You're trolling right? I wouldn't choose his kind of "wealth".

>>48676 Based. There is nobody I respect more than people who retain their dignity despite being poor.

>>45544 He gets it. Almost everyone is the same and lacks the same basic self awareness of their nature. The rare few people that don't ironically choose to not engage with others making the problem even worse. I met a guy like that during my time in university. Had great times together and I don't know if I'll ever meet someone so aware again. >>48609 So close yet so far. >>48610 I'm too young to experience this yet but I can't wait. Too happy already and this is yet to come. >>48629 And when you've achieved what you're chasing your ego will determine a new goal to suffer towards or suffer in self hatred out of not pursuing. You don't win the game of chasing greatness. >>48676 I don't want to milk cows, pray to God #5274 and tell the women around me their ankles are showing.

>>45542 /thread best post yet

>>45541 that's so negative wtf, i dont agree with you, i think that you're just depressed and letting it control your thoughts

>>45538 What helps me is surrounding myself with people who are smarter then me Keeping my ears open and learning as much as I can to help myself move forward it might not look like alot now but small stuff adds up

>>45538 I did have great achievements by the age of 21. I represented my country in a martial art, rised above tragedy when my parent died in a car accident at 15, one of the top students etc... ANd guess what, I failed to impress the 2 girls I wanted to go out with. And today no one recalls my achievements, not even my big brothers who still try to belittle me. Just do what makes you proud. Just do it for yourself or for God if your religious. My pastor turned out to be right when he said I'd be living hell if I lived to seek men's glory.

>>48713 >>48713 >>48713 Modern medicine isn't as life extending as you think

>>49958 But what do when you find nobody smarter than you? Sure you can learn wisdom form a donkey, too, but in the end they're all see-through.

>>50065 >But what do when you find nobody smarter than you? look harder.

>>45538 21 is still very young. Julius Caesar wept on sight of Alexander's statue because he was upset that by his 20s Alexander conquered the known world when in his 20s Caesar had accomplished nothing. >>48610 This post is just pure brain rot cynicism but there is some truth to it. >>48676 You forgot to mention the part where Khabiz is murdered by the Taliban and his wife and kids are sold into slavery.

my advice as a 32 to loser is go somewhere, get a plane ticket, and go traveling by yourself. at least you'll have a story and if you are a person who always feels the pressure to live up to others expectations, those people won't be there and you can feel some freedom.

>>45538 Meeting expectations is obviously a lie you told yourself because exceeding expectations is a common expectation. Based on this you are probably just being overly neurotic and confusing this as being inquisitive. Pride is bad btw just look at chris-chan.

21 is very young lain, you have a lot ahead, the future is yours!

It ain't over 'til it's over, keep trying your best.

What did you want to accomplish at 21? Don't worry, even if you don't accomplish anything you are proud of you learn eventually that's not really the point.

>>45538 I expected to be dead by 19, am a little older than you. don't worry brotherman, we'll find a way. just stick to the light. don't ruminate in darkness or you'll start to become that way. lead poisoned individuals in ancient rome used to be called "dark". accomplishments are a lie. what have you done that you've enjoyed. time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.

>>45542 Success is a form of gambling but you're close.

>>48650 This is a world of exploitation, anon. Do you perceive yourself as an exploiter or as a slave? Anon's post was obviously a blast of realism. It may not be very accurate but I believe that is exactly what most people here should learn. When time comes, "reality" will reach you. Better be prepared or keep preparing yourself. Eventually it will strike you and force you to prepare when the prep time is gone, which is almost unbearable. If you're a young man, just put yourself to work right now. Work hard as fuarrrk towards financial security, it shouldn't be longer than 15 years of honest effort. You already know how bad things are, maybe you'll be able to beat the rat race. The problem is, there is no denying the rat race. There is only winning, which in Lain's context means being able to evade it without getting totally fuarrrked by life. To erase yourself from the rat race, you need something only the rat race can offer: money. Even to be a wanderer in some distant place you need fuarrrking money. Go get it or just go rot yourself, you know nobody cares anyway.

>>45538 I'm in my mid 30s and from your post you've already accomplished more than I have. Also you still are around peers and parents. I never had my parents from the beginning. Consider yourself luckier than a lot of us here.