Anyone do a minimalism life?

Hi anon. Recently, I feel everything is extravagance for me(especially in digital). I plan to sell or get rid of things what I think they are extravagance even though I have good memories about them. My goal is just set up my room with a desk, a laptop, a bed and little book shelf with a minority of my fav books, etc. And keeping from money leaking out which from useless or low value services. Also I gonna try to do abstinenc and refrain from social life activities. But I won't do it extreme. I won't dispose specified things which can occur an inconvenience to my life if it doesn't exist. Is here anyone who do or plan a minimalism life?

not idealistic but practical. I removed what i dont need from the room into the attic. Less stuff means less to clean means less time wasted.

I have been living exactly like what you're describing for about a year now, it's very comfy. I find it easier to focus on the areas of my life that need improving once I've organized and sorted out my essential needs. Day to day life is low maintenance, with very little energy wasted on chores as lain as stated previously. I apply a minimalist approach wherever I can : bedroom has only my bed, a side lamp and built-in wall closet with a capsule wardrobe suited to my needs. Everything I need in the bathroom fits into a dopp kit, and as for the kitchen, a plate, knife and fork, a pot and a pan, and some basic utensils are all I need. I cook most of my meals and base them on the same template, and try to keep them as simple, healthy and tasty as possible. I only drink water and tea. I indulge a little on the week-end (alcohol, restaurants, etc) and try to contain all social life, including girlfriend, to Fridays and Saturdays. Full digital minimalism is a bit harder to setup when your priorities are privacy / security and most of your interests are computer based, so you can't be too idealistic.

>>43934 I used to sorta do this but strayed from the path over the years. Looking at old photos of my room when I first got to this apartment, it was so empty but spacious and that's appealing to me. It's very liberating to have everything you own fit into a few bags you can carry. You can pick up and leave any time you want. But the other side of that is feeling secure enough that you can call your place home and buy all the things you want. I miss being minimalist because now I have so much more to lose in a freak accident where my apartment burns down or something. If I could go back in time, I think I wouldn't have built a pc(it's my first one I built in 2019). But you know, the experience of building a pc was nice to have. Now I also own exercise equipment that I use every week. The minimalism path seeks to rid yourself of things you don't need. But wouldn't it be better to just not be so attached to the things you own or will own?

>>43969 Yeah. leave any time when i want came to me as a good advantage. I live this home all of my life with my parents. That means my room is not tidied and messy. I decided when I got seperated from my family, I'm gonna get rid of things before move to new house. Building pc is also nice experience for me. That was my first plan when I get a job. But nowadays, I don't use that really. Also thats a big chunk of my desk place.

>>43953 Your writing is absolutly same what I want to be! I gonna try to be minimalist asap

I have been doing minimalism for about 2 years now. it's a neverending process with constant self-reflection. A simple life is not an easy life

I thought I was finally gonna go minimalist when I moved out of my parents' house but now they are buying all of this stuff for my apartment without asking :/

I actually naturally do but dont like the look of it or ideologies or even just motives behind it, so I actively push against it. If I havent cleaned in awhile cause depresso and finally get going on it like a good 20% of non trash stuff i find in the process I decide I dont need and just throw away if I cant easily just give it away. When I move somewhere new its like 40% practically. Il just have idly accumulated things through momentary interest or friends and most of it I get rid of and stick to my clothes, laptop, books, and art supplies. Thats really all I have. Even furniture il sell or abandon (I usually found it on the street anyways) and I really only ever have bed, couch, dresser, shelf and desk with a chair. Thats always the only furniture I really get. I think this is mostly my moms influence whos very just not interested in material things and doesnt even have any photographs aside from ones given to her that shed feel weird about throwing out or are in some kind of album that can go on her bookshelf. When I was around like 7-10 she didnt make me but highly encouraged me to get rid of like a ton of stuffed animals and toys. She worked with a lot of poor kids in education and she just explained how theyd benefit a lot more from it and how I dont really even use them anymore because I really just played outside with my cousin or video games at the time. I was sort of scared about it but after I did it I was pretty happy about how much more space I had and realized I didnt really miss any of them and this also definitely came at this crucial moment where I was starting to, and I know a lot of people do, get that kind of "objects have sentimental value". Im not a robot I get like that of course with something relating to an actual person or loved one, but many people hold onto things because its attatched to themselves through experience and my mom would always say like "the memories arent in the object they are in your head" and was also very not into dwelling on past anyways and I kinda agree. I dont think this is common though even though I think its healthy. I think people in the US at least are either just allowed to develop this like obsession with objects and dwelling on them and the nostalgia they bring, or they are made to get rid of stuff at some point but not with their consent and so it becomes like a trauma thing where they feel like they need to desperately hold onto stuff cause it could dissapear. So I also dont think its really a fault of anyone aside from parenting and natural disasters and what not. I think once you develop that tendency to attatch a lot of emotion to objects its very hard to break because not only do you not want to get rid of something you feel strongly about you also would need a very strong reason to even want to because the process itself is what created the feelings you value. I think the hoarding type trauma response is equally hard to break because you CAN lose everything in a moment and so you cant just say that wont happen, you have to convince them they will be okay if that happens when they already have had an experience that felt very not okay that caused this fear and defense mechanism to start with. And theres a lot of work beyond that too. However I have my own guaranteed spot for awhile and its in a very barren depressing part of my city, and while I dont have that same like subconscious tendency to emotionally attatch to objects I can through like the scenery they bring to a space or their ability to bring value or comfort to other people who visit. A very odd and troubling example that maybe says not good things about me but its what comes to mind is i dont have like paraphanelia, when I want to smoke or snort or whatever something I mcguyver soykaf together in the moment. I really appreciate though some of my friends who like have the whole setup with like mesh sieves, flat table mirrors, little drug boxes, pipes, straws, etc. all at the ready. im not in some crack house but I like the ability of being able to provide for guests in any way and so im hoping il be inclined to fill this space out more via that notion. Maybe il have a little bar setup for a more normalized example even though its not that different fundamentally from what I just described in actuality to be honest.

>>43934 MARIA KONDA time

>>43934 personally i prefer maximalism. im impressed you could clear out all your stuff, im a bit of a hoarder admittedly. if thats what makes you happy, then thats great! just make sure its truly whats good for your mental health this would be my dream style of house

>>46004 sorry if i got excited and rambled there (｡T ω T｡)

that does not mean minimalist lifestyle minimalist lifestyle is minimum that enables you to be yourself which cannot be carbon copy of other self unless you are an npc just like other self, my minimal cannot be your minimal and if you truly want to live such lifestyle you first must get to know yourself so stop mistaking soy trends with sheeps

>>46004 Hahahaha look at that tim burton ass Charlie and the chocolate factory aesthetic, do you have a johnny depp goatee too?

I have been trying to pare down the things I own recently, and have been making decent progress. It has been a slow process because I've already trashed most of the actual junk so what remains is valuable enough that it's worth selling (mostly redundant music equipment and such). I do want to make an observation though: minimalism, in the sense of owning the absolute minimum, does not necessarily entail less waste. To give you an example, my main laptop used to be a 2012 macbook pro. Over the time I owned it, I replaced nearly every major part at least once. In order to do this on the cheap, I had around four dead macbooks in my closet, in various states of disassembly, at any given time. I wouldn't call hording dead macbooks "minimalist" but the result was that I could keep my machine running for quite a long time. I also have a closet full of tools. Aside from the essentials (socket set, screwdrivers, etc.) any given tool probably gets used on average twice a year, but if I didn't have, say, a special tool to compress the brake piston in my car, I would be forced to unnecessarily bring it to a shop for brake jobs. Again, not minimalist, but more economical than actual minimalism. I guess my point is just that I don't have much use for minimalism for its own sake. It has to be in service of something, and I'm ready to compromise it in situations where owning a bit more junk (sometimes literally junk, like the dead computers) is less wasteful or more economical in the long run.

>>43934 >refrain from social life activities. Why? What does that have to do with minimalism?

I've been slowly phasing out my smart phone. It's inconvenient sometimes for me and other people but totally doable. Soon I will also phase out using my debit card and get used to only using cash. Probably will also move from a big national bank to a local credit union. For physical minimalism... nah. I don't buy a lot but I tend to accumulate things (mostly papers and notebooks) anyway.

>>43934 I highly recommend it. I found an unexpected joy in getting rid of things I didn't need, and my room hasn't been dirty since (I reduced everything about 6 months ago). You should read The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up by Konmari, very good book on this subject.

consider many artistic "luxuries" have important logos do not waste , Lain . rid us of scarcity , not quality .

I honestly think physical minimalism will increase my digital maximalism

>>46019 It depends on the people around you. I'm doing the same thing. No fancy clothes + fasting + software minimalism + no phone etc. And naturally I find others are detrimental to my life style. They are just so fuarrrking weak willed. I remember couple of weeks ago I got laughed at for saying to my friend if junk food is unnecessary AND unhealthy why don't you get rid of it, unless you're addicted to it (imagine being so far gone that you can't even realize your addiction). Why the fuarrrk people treat each other to poison (fast food)? Why do they use soykafty proprietary software? Why won't more people read philosophy? Why do they accumulate soykaf they don't need? I know that's just how the world is and that's why I don't want to have anything to do with it.

>don't hoard knick knacks and useless collections >have enough work space and material for meaningful hobbies >put soykaf on the walls so you're not in a prison cell. I personally printed a few things for under 2 bucks at kinkos, 11x17 in. >get rid of excess clothes >e-readers are great space savers >a bed and a couch are essential >HD or MicroSD's for media, fuarrrk entertainment subscriptions Think of it this way, if you were to pack for say, a hiking trip or vacation, what would you bring? If your lifestyle fits in a backpack outside your furniture, you're golden. But don't minimize to the degree it limits hobbies and skill learning. The biggest boon is saving money on useless soykaf you don't need. Spend money on things you actually use and will last you years. The money you save is put towards better quality food, hobbies, travel, whatever the fuarrrk. ez. You can full on monk LARP for the experience if it's not for your ego, but there's a reason they do it in communities, keep farms, etc. >fuarrrk yo couch I don't have a table and stand up to eat, when I come home and am exhausted the last thing I want to do is sit in an office chair. All that's left is the bed, which should really only be for sex and sleep. I'd like to finally get myself a couch to read/draw/chill on before getting back to the desk to work. When your desk becomes part of leisure you procrastinate more. To me, minimalism is 50% saving $$ and 50% limiting distractions. If your environment is so depressing you don't want to do anything, that's a distraction. My partner doesn't even want to stay over because it's so empty in here, there's no where to eat or sit down. But if you're completely anti-social, it works.

>>43934 hey anon, why have a room? I have a big bike rv that works just as well. Saves a lot on rent to just use starbucks as an office

>>48558 Police don't harass you? Where do you park?

>>48559 1. Live in a city that has lots of other homeless. This lets you blend in and lowers the bar of acceptable behavior. If you're not openly jerking off to small children you become a saint. 2. Keep your area tidy. Cops can tell the difference between a slob who leaves stolen soykaf everywhere and a guy whos decided to live on a bike pulled cart 3. Cops get called because of complaints. Complaints come from people who don't like you. If there's no one around, no one will find you. Find an area in a city where people don't know you're there, and make it your own. It's actually a pretty fun process i'd argue is similar to settling land, although a lot more dangerous. Homeless junkies WILL try to steal your soykaf and if you can't beat the living soykaf out of them you WILL see them again and again.

>>48561 Don't you think just hiring some small place is easier than hiding in weird places and beating up the homeless? Haha, sorry I just find the story kinda ridiculous.

>>48566 >wouldn't hiring a small place be easier then beating up the homeless But i don't want to cure cancer i want to beat up the homeless. in all seriousness, i woke up this morning, pedaled for 2 min, and i was at breakfast, 1 min of pedaling, i was at my office. I spent 5 total min prepping my day before i sat down at my laptop to make my current project (( a dating app for resume filler)). The only real issue is that starbucks cvcked their hours so their lobby is harder to chill in, but eventually i want to switch to a usb-c powered laptop to have a few solar banks to charge everything. Prolly a tablet, a bluetooth keyboard and phone for modem, then i could work whenever i want ((like when i have insomnia)) but yeah, while i have issues with my current set up that i have to fix, i have some friends i work for on/off and once i have all the kinks worked out i could literaly move anywhere in the country and live next to free. For example, right now i don't like the amount of sun i get. So i can harvest the bamboo in my friends yard, cure it, and build a canopy to keep sun off me while i ride. Do you have problems in your life you can so easily, physically solve, or is it more of a complicated social dilemia soykaf? also i'm gonna keep spare changes of clothing so when i sit in starbucks all day i can hit on girls without being immediately rejected.

>>48569 >language enhancer hates the word cvck idgaf i'm still using it. it works amazingly at detailing cowardace and kneeling to the crowd rather then being independent >oh no corona hits we need to close lobby hours so people are focused in a shorter time period instead of moving to a 24 hr autonomous model. fuking retarded ass soyboy tier bull

I live opposite to minimalism when it comes to tools and appliances. I buy a soykaf load of electronics from aliexpress whenever I need one thing; I come back from the diy store with more inventory than immediately necessary; I keep every wire and electric appliance and disassemble them to keep the parts. When I hear someone is dumping his broken electric soykaf I take it with me to keep the electric and mechanical parts. I have 3 3d printers, with the fourth assembling now from laser cut aluminum for which I've bought also way too many nuts and bolts. Also building a CNC atm from 3d printed parts and some iron pipes. I keep furniture to reuse at one point, as an example my desk is made from old closet doors that I've attached together with adjustable legs & those thin aluminum plates with holes in them. My big ass coat hanger, bookcase and my keyboard tilter(to prevent RSI) are made from my old wooden bed, and I still keep the left over wood in my bedroom for whenever I need it. Friends & roommates always come to me first when they need some cable or tool because I have them most of the time. When I moved I bought 100m cat6 shielded utp with all the tools to crimp and test the thing, and after giving every room its wired Ethernet, I still have ~50m left. I also own 3 amplifiers and 3 sets of speakers, of which one set the woofer died and I only use 1 set and 1 amplifier. I have two mattresses stacked on top of each other, 3 pillows while I dont have a gf and 2 quilts because I got a new one recently(I was way too tall for the old one) and I keep the other for spare. Every other week or so I buy a new book, so ill have to build another bookcase soon, but idc I want to own that soykaf and support the academics who write them. As for my computer habits I have a 45 inch ultra wide since March so I can have all my applications open simultaneously when programming. I have a gentoo laptop where I just install and download everything I may use in the future (my Hobby directory is full of papers/old books I haven't finished). I also have a server running in my bedroom 24/7 for torrenting, I2p, samba, webserver and executing long running scripts, so there's always noise in my room. I hardly throw out any appliance but when I do it really has to be some soykaf I will never need. Every elevated flat piece of furniture is stuffed with whatever projects I'm occupied with and I don't clean it up (except for plates & cups) I just push everything aside when needed until the project is finished. My floor is free of stuff so its fine and idc, I like to have everything withing reach. Its practical and I like that it looks like someone lives there, not some Chernobyl soykaf.

I have a friend that keeps attempting and it's actually pretty annoying. She periodically gets rid of a bunch of her stuff then regrets it and buys more. So wasteful.

I'm a hoarder, minimalism is the final bluepill. I hoard useful books, plants, seeds, electronics, copper, silver coins, magnets, cool rocks, used plant oil, free download music, pictures, gratis nonfree games, but I never buy things I don't need. I recently bought a lava lamp but it helps me focus and makes my room comfy so it's actually useful. My hoarding is chaotic but my room never gets too cluttered. I believe the minimalism meme was created by big companies to replace products with services: >don't hoard books, buy amazon swindle >don't hoard hard drives, buy "cloud" storage >don't hoard CD's, buy our music subscription >don't hoard DVD's, buy Netflix and chill It is easy to become a consumer and buy too much, but living in empty room and getting rid of useful stuff is not the way.

>>48739 minimalism as movement got popular with dont spend any money & retire early on savings instead of working forever as a poor consoomer. As for hoarding the argument would be if you have too much you failed at step 1 not buying but its not against keeping stuff unless selling is a netgain.

>>48739 I just like minimalism because the more stuff I have the more difficult it is to clean and keep up. I wouldn't really call having stuff you actually use and enjoy not minimalistic, so long you don't have more of them than you considerably need

>>48740 >dont spend any money & retire early on savings And then realize all your savings went to hell because of inflation and also that you don't have any basic stuff. Assuming 2% yearly inflation, you lose 20% of value if you "save" money for 10 years. The economic system is made to promote using money and working over saving and retiring early. If the economy collapses overnight, hoarders will win because they have the essential stuff needed to survive and even more to trade. >if you have too much Depends on your definition of "too much". There's never too much of good books, seeds, and electronics or wires, especially if you can get them for free. unhealthy consumerism =/= hoarding

>>48742 if you read any of the retire early blogs (ere or mr money moustache) you would know that if you put your money into some kind of productive investment it will not erode and more likely grow substantially. the FIRE people have got this worked out to a science, and if you are young and I would recommend you look into it an start now (the earlier you start the better)

Personally I find it more useful to focus on financial minimalism than object minimalism. To me what's important is being able to spend my time how I want, and so aggressively evading expenses is important. However I don't value an aesthetic uncluttered space so much, and many physical objects are useful and can be obtained very cheap or free (for example I found one of my monitors on the side of the road). I think a lot of the conflation between minimalism and frugality comes from our cultural memory of the past. If you read Walden by Thoreau for example, he outlines his expenses, and what expenses were typical. At the time it would have made a lot of sense to pay a lot of attention to how you obtain your basic required tools, clothes and food, because those things were a dramatically more expensive and valuable. Now, not so much; we are deluged with cheap goods, and modern budgets are dominated by housing, insurance and services, which have become much more expensive even compared to inflation.

>>48742 >>48743 To be more precise, assuming an annual return of about 10%, you'll actually have 260% of what you started with after 10 years.

>>48743 >mr money moustache I'm going to check that out, thanks. >>48777 >assuming an annual return of about 10% It's still good to own basic stuff just in case: 1. Your investment can fail and go down instead 2. The economy can fail, hyperinflation will erase any gains My hoarding philosophy is: "Keep useful things, collect free things, buy little." What I don't like is the kind of minimalism where you trash things you've already paid for for the sake of muh clean workspace.

>>48742 Saving didn't mean fiat. The realistic lame choice is etfs mirroring the overall market, the yolo choice crypto and in between is the rest. Some think taking rists is dumb but if the risk is the only way to make it its dumb not trying. Crashes hit primarily people who are forced to sell during the crash. If you follow actually trough building a solid portfolio you will build a longterm stash you don't touch during a crash and have another stash for shortterm survival. if you sit it out the longterm stash will recover. Because your loss is smaller than other people you come out relatively richer in return. to be honest the biggest enemy isnt the crash but gov scrambling to tax everything . People lost assets particularly because of govs imposing impossible taxation on land for example which meant keeping your land was impossible for the poor. So if you wanna plan for a crash you gotta plan to hide your assets from this in first place but if you do you will be way better of than the average person.

I same feel the desire for a more minimalistic life style regarding the physical aspects of it. In fact in my case my ideal room would only have a table and a pc(obviously whit a chair and a bed). But I can't relate to the stands on social life activities. In fact it's quite contrary to urs op. I'm embracing a more socially active life regarding people and irl activities. I feel like one can really miss out on real life if is not involved in it. I believe one is much happier when is participating in life socially.

>>43934 Yes. I have a go-bag that I put all of my 400ish usd per year into creating redundancies for as a neet that has never had a job. I might post list/chart images of what I currently have and are interested in, such as opendingux devices as a daily driver of which is mobile and low voltage and other things. One of my now dead battlestations is picture related. I am now using a cheap folding chair and table with small cheap trinkets on it, an ocarina and mushroom lamp and such. I'll post it after this message.

This is the gobag and or what I often put in my pockets with it.Also the new battlestation

>>48797 >>48796 A list via image.

Also I have an ideal botany diet where I could potentially be self sufficient growing the list of what is currently most of my diet, of which sadly mixes climates: >lentil >white mushroom (b12 potentially) >potato (full protein) >avocado (fat. and also lowers cholesterol (but a tree unfortunately (they take long to grow you know))) >lemon (a tree again, but lemon balm and or lemon grass is another two routes) >dill-weed >paprika >black pepper >garlic >kale (calcium) >seaweed/kelp (iodine) >bell peppers >olive (salt, unfortunately another tree) >stevia (sweetener) >hawthorn (lowers blood pressure) Many others interest me but this is my diet, minus the hawthorn as I am currently on ace though I am lowering it's dose as I get more healthy. The point is that one could potentially be devoid of animals and still live this way, if I'm right. It's an independence thing and to be that you'd have to be a minimalist relatively to what society offers. About opendingux, I'm just trying it out with the images device of which is very low powered. Has either 500ish mhz processor or 700ish (overclocked) and it's gpu is probably 200ish mhz. It's got gmenu2x like the gp2x would have of course. I like it a lot but books crash easily and there's no bookmark feature. I don't think keyboards even work as it's missing a driver but they have better hardware with opendingux on it and I'm interested more and more in it due to nostalgia and hating bloatware and also for other reasons. A cellphone broadcasts your position for one example of partially unsaid reasons. >sorry to post four times in a row as my android won't link to the laptop for some reason (bad wire maybe) and was too lazy to dig out a flash drive to transfer the files form the 'phone' to the computer as this way is faster The diet comes out to 1k-1500. 700, or 7 servings of lentils per day, and the list is from greatest to least used for that reason so use your imagination. Did you now the gp2x had an irc client? There's potential there as a daily driver. Lots of applications other than what the bastardizations now have that have been getting spammed on stores all over, clones all over from random cpu's you'd not expect to still exist. Allwinner f1c100s for example, of which is what I am getting used to using, but it's not like it can go online nor anything much impressive really. I wish I was intelligent enough to recompile the tar files on the gp2x's site but are not. They have more advanced chipsets though to the point of near n64 being viable, though not really viable as mupen64 is in alpha. The mips processor is the same as the n64 so maybe it can work some day, the rg350, playgo/pocketgo v2, etc clones. JZ4770 is the new and F1C100S is the older devices, both newer and older seem to have vivante gpu drivers of which I take that that is rare to be developed for in this day and age but I still like them for what they are. As a neet I have no money to even snatch a clone but when I do it'll be in my go-bag 'arsenal'. Also I go to thrift stores and have 5 usd shoes. My clothes are all very old. I never go to the dentist as in the USA you have no free insurance and when there are options they give you 'the run around'. You get it. Also I've not had a car in over ten years nor have driven in over ten years. I walk everywhere to the point of platar fasciitis, but it's healthy after all. I have no social to speak of either of course. For protection I have a 15 usd walking stick and an 8 usd knife. I've never owned a computer that could do dolphin emulation. The android I own was 30 usd, I bought two of them due to my strategies rather than one more expensive one. Redundancies. I've never had a professional haircut in my life and are middle aged. Many other things. Like the 1 usd clone of a swiss army knife in the previous image up there for example. All in all it's minimal when you think about it. >sorry again for four posts I'm excited to finally be able, even as a poor neet, use a gmenu2x opendingux device that's low voltage and small. All the solar panels I have, redundant sd's, it's all comforting to me even when I don't use them of which in a way is even more minimal, going without using them as I sit on this 68 usd latitude 2100 instead while saving them for later. Another one is I make my own booze. I use honey, though more expensive, to simulate what my booze would be like if I had to be in a forest collecting it from actual bees.

>>48798 I-is it you fastman?

>>48810 No. This is not fastman.

>>48809 (me) >reviewing own posts >of SIX fav spices (including lemon) forgot onion The lentil mushroom potato avocado soup really needs onions in my opinion. I use lots of it, also lots of paprika and lots of dill-weed with the rest of the six being less. >top is paprika for smokey flavor >near top, dill-weed, tastes like ravioli really >fair amount, onion, for more zest >garlic, also zest and compliment one another >black pepper, pungent spice >lemon, avoid craving salt this way, crystallized lemon >all six create synergy The onion is important even more so than the avocado to me, so I had to add it. Actually, the avocado takes something away from it flavor wise more so than add. Kind of makes it taste like egg yolk with the health-nut fruit in it. With it being a tree I'd like to just off it and the lemon as well, maybe olive as well as they're trees. Lemon balm, lemon grass, maybe peanuts for fat cravings and for oil and for lots of oil canola/rapeseed flowers could be used easier anyway. Not that one needs that much fat anyway. Not like you need the salt either. The trees should get out of my diet is the point. They would take too long to grow anyway. I hate how long it takes to cook a peanut though so maybe not that stuff. The flower I'd not use really much at all for oil. I do not put it in the soup so it'd be for lamps and cyber stuff can do that instead or I'd be back in society as soon as they fail anyway. But of the six spices (and crystallized lemon) I even have it in my go-bag in a container mixed together in a nice ratio. Without onion it's not complete. Also there is a species of hawthorn that is not a tree, just saying. I have it as a seed and have nowhere to try to plant it, though it does grow to be about 15 feet high it is a shrub. Indian hawthorn. I also have soapwort as a seed and forgot to mention that. I wish I could get all of the seeds I need from a store via ebt but cannot all of them. >lentil Yes. >white mushroom Spores might work out. >potato Not a seed form but can plant them as they are even though technically I'd like the seeds. >avocado Yeah, but trees take so long, is this worth it? But yes, giant seeds can be had with this one easily. >dill-weed Yes. Found them and they were not seemingly hulled either. >lemon Trees....lemon balm and or lemongrass I'd like to get, but yes on this one for lemon itself. >dill-weed Yes. Found seeds. Not damaged looking either. Some are hulled in spice bottles but not this one seemingly so it might germinate. >paprika Nope, but I could use other peppers....select mild peppers is what it is anyway and such are everywhere. >black pepper Yes. >garlic Yes. >kale No >seaweed/kelp Not sold hardly at all much less can one even plant that above water.... >bell Yes. >olive Yes, but a tree and all. >stevia Hard no, most won't even sell real stevia and instead have stevia flavored artificial sweeteners as it's like third on the ingredients. But leaf? No. Seeds? Nope. >hawthorn As previously stated, yes. >nearly forgot onion again Yes, it's there. The go-bag is not really complete without botany to go with it, though some of this stuff is not going to be a seed.... still. All of the botany that I am interested in to create my own independent and minimalist lifestyle is kind of long being over 50 plants and I've listed them before here so.... maybe I'll list them again anyway just because. This is basically my notes. I'm still undecided as to what I think I'd want in a perfect 'eden'. Ideal botany: 1) ****lentil (cooks fast and is full of protein and fiber and is good for glucose issues) 2) **potato (because whole protein) 3) *dill weed (spice (and antiflatulent possibly)) 4) ***white mushroom (seems to have a bacteria that makes b12 on it's outside edges) 5) *stevia (sweetener, used in teas or with lemon to make lemonade) 6) **kale (high calcium) 7) *bell pepper (vit c and 'spice' and has small amount of sugar, technically a fruit) 8) radish (vit c and etc) 9) *lemon grass (spice, tea (grows faster than a lemon tree but do prefer actual lemon)) 10) *black pepper (spice) 11) *paprika (spice) 12) ginger (spice) 13) *garlic (spice) 14) *green onion (spice) 15) hemp (cloth) 16) passion flower (anxiety lowering and mao(i?) inhibitor (potentially can raise blood pressure if you have a bad diet or are on meds for things) 17) marijuana (reasons) 18) *granny smith apple (it's my favorite) 19) kava (seeds are sterile and all so you have to splice it or something but it could harm the liver and is probalby not as fun as alcohol anyway and takes like 5 years before the roots are ready for harvest anyway.... but it's still interesting) 20) *indian hawthorn (to replace ace inhibitor, lowers blood pressure via consumption of the flowers as a tea and or berries just eaten as they are, not sure which was is better (Rhaphiolepis indica is a species that is a shrub so as to grow it faster than the tree one)) 21) barley (for malt to make wine/vingear and or grain) 22) *spearmint (spices) 23) basil (spices) 24) oregano (spices) 25) *lemon 26) rapeseed (oil, a flower so in a way better than using peanuts or giant slow growing olive trees for oil) 27) *lemon balm (smoke/tea, grows faster than a lemon tree but do prefer actual lemon) 28) corn (grain and corn starch for etc, very fine starch is good for avoiding some skin irritation from friction and keeps things more dry in such places...) 29) *chamomile (smoke or most herbal tea's base) 30) damiana (smoke/tea, sometimes illegal and might have a mild high to it...(or not, was used with synthetics that are now also illegal that were sprayed on the plant), maybe a mild mental high akin to thc's, not sure...) 31) calendula (a dye, an anti-inflammatory substance for external use, petals are edible, used to summon fairies...also.........) 32) blue lotus (smoke/tea, supposedly lowers anxiety) 33) grape (just because sugar for whine I guess so as to not steal from bees to make mead) 34) calabash gourd (bottle gourd) 35) bamboo (bulding things) 36) mullein (internally (as tea) or externally (as ointment, tea, baths, or compresses) for treatment of disorders of the respiratory tract, skin, veins, gastrointestinal tract, and the locomotor system) 37) salvia (divinorum, often illegal and is supposed to be hellish a trip when made to be more potent) 38) wild lettuce (analgesic and possible diuretic though dangerous for the heart, raises bpm) 39) wild dagga (tea/smoke, supposedly a mild body high akin to thc's) 40) winterbloom (astringent, dermal use) 41) saint john's wort (for depression, often in teas) 42) valerian (for sleep, root used in teas) 43) *Saponaria (officinalis), or soapwort (used as a mild soap via soaking the leaves in water) 44) coconut (for lube (and hats (and food I guess (but also containers like the gourd (giant seed really makes this rather cumbersome to carry around))))) 45) Wasabi (spice, like mustard, have to grind it) 46) morning glory (lsa (poor/legal-people lsd I guess (makes people have sour stomachs))) 47) dandelion (vitamins, can be eaten whole, used as a tea also) 48) yarrow (coagulant, dermal use) 49) rosemary (spice, basically eat the leaves) 50) *olive (salt and oil and tastes great) 51) **avacado (practically a butter substitute and lowers cholesterol, a high fat fruit) 52) *Dracaena cinnabari (for dragon's blood, from it's resin (not sap), for incense, traditionally used for medicine but really just incense is practical) 53) willow ('aspirin' via it's bark? (lowers fever)) 54) kratom (partial opioid agonist)