I would love to die from the AstraZeneca vaccine!" - Covid discussion thread 3.0

>"I would love to die from the AstraZeneca vaccine!" (Excerpts from Article translated from Norwegian) https://www.tv2.no/a/13886747/ >I'm sure that sounds very brutal. But someone has to be sacrificed in the war against the corona. That's the way it is in every wars. This time it may well be me. >But even if it turns out that it's the AstraZeneca vaccine that has poured out blood clots or brain haemorrhages, I have no doubt: if I get the offer, I'll take it anyway. >For, sorry to put it so straight forward: Someone must be sacrificed for the rest to be safe. >That's the way it is in every wars. >Now it is one year since the government introduced the most restrictive measures since World War II. >And we're still at war. Against the corona. And our only weapon is vaccines. Vaccines are simply the way out of the trenches. The road to peace. New thread for talking about covid / ruminations on the future considering last one hit bump limit.

>>43330 Natural background radiation is overall non-modulated, randomly polarized, and ~1 quadrillion to 1 quintillion times less intense than even the weakest cell phone outputs, for a given frequency band. Even large bands summed together as though frequency does not play a role in how radiation interacts with materials, it's still at least trillions of times less intense. Millimeter waves are basically absent from the natural environment. They don't propagate well and are highly absorbed by atmospheric gases. Therefore, biological systems did not evolve around them. Though it has been postulated that our own cells generate them to signal and modulate the behavior of their neighbors, up to THz band. Pulses of UV may also be used. Soviets found this ~1920. Plz stop posting and go learn wtf you're talking about.

>>43279 This is a silly post. You can pass on a disease without dying from it or even showing noticable symptoms, and you can certainly give that disease to an immunodeficient person and be responsible for their death.

>>43338 gamma rays are also not very common on Earth's surface (typical background rates are ~ 0.01 mrem/hour, according to this website http://www.alpharubicon.com/basicnbc/backgroundgammaradiological71.htm), but even prolonged low-level exposure thousands of times higher than natural background levels doesn't have bad health effects. It's also much more ionizing than millimeter waves. >>43339 I don't think it is fair at all to blame people for spreading a disease unless they are being extremely negligent (i.e. going out and about when they know they are sick) The disease will spread and kill

>>43346 *The disease will spread and kill one way or another, it is not worth the effort to blame humans for it

>>43346 >It's also much more ionizing than millimeter waves. It's also much more ionizing than a defibrillator, yet the latter will kill you. Yes, you can talk about peak power here, and electroporation, and so on, that's not the point. The point is ionization is not the sole issue, it's the information content and energy deposition to a given region. Soviets experimented and reported microwave induceddeath by heart seizure, using very specific timed pulses aimed at the heart.

>>43348 point is, simply having *more* than background levels is not sufficient to show that these are dangerous.

>>43349 Well gee Lain, maybe that's when we do science to it, and ultimately publish like 50k+ papers internationally over the last 120 years, a good fraction of them dealing strictly with very low intensities. Maybe we should consult the literature on the topic a bit. Not trying to be a dick, but that's that. Don't respond to me while half ignoring what I've said again, I have no patience for circular bullshit.

i am literally so fuarrrking blackpilled. we're never going back to normal, we're never going to be able to travel again, we're gonna have inter and intracity passports, won't be able to do soykaf without vaccine even going one city over, and we'll never be able to recover from this. at least i won't. full bore losing it here lads.

>>43337 >A silly person said something silly >Lets collectively freak out about it not quite sure what youre freaking out about but: vaccine > no vaccine

>>43369 same here, it's a fuarrrking travesty, there is really no silver lining, everything is going downhill, slowly degenerating. I just don't understand this world anymore. This excuse of a reason to disarm our rights is going to far, I just don't see any more justification. We could have implemented proportionate measures, we had all the time in the world to figure out a plan to make going outside a choice for people who want to protect themselves, those who need to protect themselves. People constantly bring up "but do you want to kill the elderly", fuarrrk no, why would someone want that. I'm saying that a person should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to stay distanced and there should have been measures to make it realistic and implementable. Teacher wants to stay home and work from there? Force the school to make it possible. Same goes for uni professors and the sizeable part of the workforce that can do their work remotely. We've evidence that hard lockdowns are not even effective at what they're aimed at, so why do we keep this gorilla tier strategy alive? These measures are causing so much suffering, there shouldn't even be that many people who are profiting from this bullshit. I'm just sick of it.

>>43410 It's basically over, the elites won. We're fuarrrked and going to be experimented on, have our rights stripped, and spend the rest of our lives in drudgery and artificial fear. This is the end result of the reductionism that they practice - clamp dude was right all along. That's what he was trying to show us. There was never an attempt to do things the sane way, or even in a way that respects human autonomy or freedom because these people don't want to try that. They know most people are so complacent and docile that they'll accept effectively anything so they reduced us down to the basic unit of need for them. Work from home, remote learning, it's all conditioning for eventually getting replaced by automation, AI, and algos. >there shouldn't even be that many people who are profiting from this bullshit. And yet there are, FAANG made a killing during all this and they're basically the back-burner government at this point. >so why do we keep this gorilla tier strategy alive The only thing I can think is that this is what they wanted all along and telling us this from the start would be too much for even the most docile nigger-cattle. I was on board with everything until I had this moment where I realized this was never going to end, that nothing was ever going to be enough for them to decide 'time to give up all this power and go back to the way things were', and that the goalposts would always be moved no matter what milestone is met. We were told that this was all to prevent exponential spread until there's a vaccine - well now we have one and there's ZERO sign of opening. They sold us on vaccine passports as a way to restart international travel and only AFTER everyone started touting this as a good thing did they switch up and say they'd be used domestically - for ballgames and soykaf - and that international travel isn't even on the menu anymore. I think that was the real last straw for me, when I started entirely rejecting this narrative as false instead of being passive and accepting the suspicions aspects of it. I was an idiot. Trust your gut lains.

>>43350 if your entire argument rests on these papers, then you don't need your bogus extra argument. >>43369 >we're gonna have inter and intracity passports, won't be able to do soykaf without vaccine even going one city over, and we'll never be able to recover from this. If that really is the plan, it's going so poorly that it might as well not be happening. Where I am they just give out vaccines to anybody, I.D. or no, when they have extra they need to get rid of. Maybe in Eurostan they're more anal about moving around, but where I am I have complete freedom of movement until I cross a national border. I don't think they even really have a way to check vaccination history. Certainly, no extra stamp was required for my sister to take a domestic plane flight. >it will never end most people in the government (I work for a government institution) seem convinced that it's all going to be over by June. We're currently bracing for it.

>>43440 Most people have no idea what they talking about. This isnt the first now last rona. New strain same soykaf again. You cant go back to normal either even if you tried now because dead biz is dead and wont come back. Even those still standing can croak longterm because the loans to survive put them from green into dangerous territory. The people are fuarrrked regardless what happens next.

>>43440 >if your entire argument rests on these papers, then you don't need your bogus extra argument. The "extra argument" is actually the core argument. You need to stop pulling stuff out of your ass and making assumptions and sweeping claims that just feel a priori correct to you, without bothering to consult the literature. That's my suggestion to you, stop pretending you know things you don't know.

>>43451 >The "extra argument" is actually the core argument. if the core argument is 'this radiation is bad because it is more than our bodies are adapted for' then the core argument is bogus. In >>43338 you claim: >Millimeter waves are basically absent from the natural environment. They don't propagate well and are highly absorbed by atmospheric gases. Therefore, biological systems did not evolve around them. This seems to be made in support of your argument that millimeter waves are harmful. It is a bogus argument, and apparently not the one you are making in >>43348 , nor the one that most of these papers you are referencing are putting forward (wherever these papers may be). If you want me to "trust the science" then stop misrepresenting it. >>43444 >New strain same soykaf again. Sure, obviously there will be other strains. Whether or not that means the same amount of bullshit and general panic is yet to be seen. >You cant go back to normal either even if you tried now because dead biz is dead and wont come back. Even those still standing can croak longterm because the loans to survive put them from green into dangerous territory. I hate to break it to you lain, but those businesses were going the way of the dinosaur long before rice-a-rona.

>>43467 >if the core argument is 'this radiation is bad because it is more than our bodies are adapted for' then the core argument is bogus. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Bogus in that logically, stimuli, simply by being unnatural, is not necessarily harmful? That's no great revelation, nor is it one only you are privy to. This is your bad faith tendency showing again. I recommend you stop commenting on matters you don't intend to discuss. If you need an out just stop responding, not a big deal one bit. >nor the one that most of these papers you are referencing are putting forward (wherever these papers may be). This is just gibberish. How can say something is not doing something, then state you don't know where or even what that something is? This is ridiculous. You've been brainwashed by these devices. I've put hard copies of papers in front of people and been discussing this, then had them take out their phone and stare into it, going completely blank as though they were in a trance. I had to almost yell their name several times on one occasion to make him stop aimlessly walking towards me, as I'm backing up. Any Lains that stil have their wits about them, take heed. This is why I don't invest great energy into spoonfeeding people like this, I suspect they're literally incapable of enaging with the material.

>>43467 >those businesses were going the way of the dinosaur Everything dies. The difference that matters is now or after you. I also think people underestimate the impact of the dead of entrepreneurs. These people have still some practical financial literacy and therefore a saner outlook on how things work. Wagies are blind due to lack of experience. Its a loss of knowledge among the public when they vanish and things become more centralized.

>>43469 >Bogus in that logically, stimuli, simply by being unnatural, is not necessarily harmful? That's no great revelation, nor is it one only you are privy to. Okay, so we agree that what you said in >>43348, and which I was specifically responding to, was incorrect. >recommend you stop commenting on matters you don't intend to discuss. I am discussing it, right now. >This is just gibberish. How can say something is not doing something, then state you don't know where or even what that something is? I have taken your word for it. >You've been brainwashed by these devices. I don't have a mobile phone, I think they are detrimental to privacy and peace of mind. >This is why I don't invest great energy into spoonfeeding people like this, I suspect they're literally incapable of enaging with the material. You apparently don't even give out references to the papers you want me to read.

>>43471 >Okay, so we agree that what you said in >>43348, and which I was specifically responding to, was incorrect. No? Why would it be? >I don't have a mobile phone, I think they are detrimental to privacy and peace of mind. Good. Avoid wi-fi and bluetooth as well, as they can be used for surveilance. >You apparently don't even give out references to the papers you want me to read. https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF Top text file. There's a section on mmWaves, though the entire thing is relevant.

>>43472 I'm just gonna say it. You're a dick and you're derailing a thread about covid with 5G soykaf, there's no tangible connection and the focus right now should be waking normans up to the fact that lockdown is bad in a way that is palatable to them. 5G soykaf dosn't help and therefore you are an enemy of the cause and helping them extend lockdowns forever. Go be a nigger somewhere else.

>the focus right now should be waking normans up to the fact that lockdown is bad in a way that is palatable to them. This is fuarrrking Lainchan, not facebook. Why the hell are you expecting to groom, convince, proselytize, and recruit here? Nonsense. You're making excuses, as usual. What's worse is you don't seem to realize you're not the only one capable of thinking that way. Ridiculous, through and through. You're the nigger here bud.

>>43477 >>43474 For ..............

>>43369 I for one welcome our new technocrat overlords. I've just accepted it, what am I gonna do? scream? yell? tell people that giving the government emergency powers is and has been a bad idea? seriously, what is the next resistance that's gonna come? I for use know it's not gonna be big, and if there is one then it'll die within seconds I don't plan on living and conforming to this covid world and will die if it has to come down to a decision like that, I miss 2019 so much bros, I cant believe how restricted the world has become

>>43477 Because we need to develop a strategy for disseminating anti-lockdown sentiment and your 5G soykaf doesn't help that. Even among fellow lainons, my sort of rhetoric opens people's minds to the fact lockdown is harmful and yours just pushes people away. >>43481 The move is to copy the UK and force the government to explicitly outlaw protest. This is the threshold that woke normans up in the UK and it will be elsewhere. Effectively capitalizing on different protest movements and moving them into a direction that opposes lockdown via government crackdown(on their protests) is an effective way forward. I personally think the StopAsianHate movement has potential for accepting anti-lockdown sentiment for two reasons: >they are not black and therefore not protected implicitly by the government (gov will crack down if they protest because muh coof) >corona is a source of anti-asian racism, ending corona ends that The brits protested against some cop killing a rando girl serial slasher style and the cops cracked down because of muh coof - this led normans to wake up. This protest was arguably cracked down on because it was both anti-establishment and largely comprised of non-protected minorities. I believe that could be a good avenue of resistance.

>>43482 >Even among fellow lainons, my sort of rhetoric opens people's minds to the fact lockdown is harmful and yours just pushes people away. I see, you're an emotional reasoner and your metric is informed by that type of feedback. Let me put this very bluntly and clearly to you here, probably for you to worm out of nonetheless. 1) There are different audiences and contexts. Just because you see someone doig one thing in oen context, doesn't mean they blindly do the same everywhere. 2) You are not a superset of the world. You do not have complete knowledge of the system, nor a given poster. You are making sweeping claims based on next to no tangible data, because you feel the walls closing in and need to maintaina feeling of connection with others to fulfill your security needs. I don't feel connected to you, and you view yourself as connected to others, and you thus view me as a threat to your connection and thus security. 3) If you want to play that game where you spout off against [unpopular hard sell] to establish a frame among open fence sitting inviduals, basically the old "my conspiracy theory is not a conspiracy theory" rhetoric so people feel safe and as though their identity is intact as they delve into the very thing they fear, then I can recognize and yield to that. You need to bear in mind, I'm quite willing to just let you go and turn you and your activities to use. Unfortunately, the inverse is clearly not the case. If you overplay your hand and turn yourself into a net detriment to me, I'm going to act "against you". Pretty straightforward. Your case for "you're fragmenting the movement and alienating new people bro!" is also pretty weak. Anyway, I'm just going to stop there. Suffice to say, you're close, but I'm not buying it. You don't want to hear what I'm saying and it's not strictly because you don't want other people to hear it. Your bullshit and circular excuses are tiresome and I have little else to say to you. Good luck turning your "antilockdown" sentiment to use and maintaining it amidst a turbulent sea of intermittent reinforcement that the people you think you're going to "wake up" won't know how to step back from and see as the same stupid pattern over and over again. You are not the first person to try to feed a movement in the modern age. Your methods have been tried, they do not work. The people doing this have been at it for a very long time, they know people like you will target the overton window, they have built up defenses againsts that strategy, and they're simply much smarter and better organized than you. Without an externalized high level organizing principle, you cannot build a movement, nor can you keep your eye on the ball. Good luck anyway.

>>43485 >doesn't mean they blindly do the same everywhere. This is true but it is my moral duty to inform them the harm they are doing to a just cause. >because you feel the walls closing in and need to maintaina feeling of connection with others to fulfill your security needs I can't say I care much for others or connecting with them. I wasn't connected before this and won't be after. I see this current endless lockdown agenda as nothing short of enslavement and wish to reject it wholly. That's it. >and you view yourself as connected to others You're entirely wrong about how I view this - I view this as a moral duty. If I do not speak out against both the harm the powers that be are doing and the harm that well-poisoning soykaf like 5G are doing then I am betraying my own moral systems. On the third point, you're overall correct in your analysis and we have no reason to argue about that. >Your case for "you're fragmenting the movement and alienating new people bro!" is also pretty weak I don't want a movement, movements always fail - movements are for feds and retards. I want to create a feedback loop in people's heads where they separate the retarded 5G soykaf from the practical soykaf we can actually do something about(end travel ban, no vaccine passports, no new normal) >target the overton window >reddits window I don't even believe in the overton window, it's a failed concept that rose out of a failed system that failed because it stopped respecting its own people. I want to create a belief system in which people separate anti-lockdown from anti-5G and other nebulous ideas and associate anti-lockdown thought with anti-democratic action as seen in the UK, and you saying 'b-but muh ELF radiation' doesn't support that goal. im sorry i called you a nigger btw.

>>43490 >harm that well-poisoning soykaf like 5G You don't know what you're talking about. Stop inserting yourself into matters where you don't belong. The people who most poison the well are morons who spout off out of "moral obligation" without actually understanding what they're saying. I've been studying this area for the last 10 years, you have barely read a single paper. > I want to create a feedback loop in people's heads Yes, but man's systems of feedback and control don't work that way, nor are these the factors which lead to broad and resilient internal feedback loops. People don't function the way you want, and they don't exist in an environment that functions in the way it would need to for your idea to work. Cybernetics was a major area of study in the last century, you actuaally think you're one step ahead of anything? On what basis will you instill these rejections, and to what end? What shall prevent them from being bypassed gradually by other means? It just doesn't work. If you want to play the manipulation game so bad, you need a high level, externalized, oirganizing principle. Principles which map to the basis, the absolute, not some transient factors like muh lockdowns and muh how do i get my abuser to let me go outside. What is a "new normal" anyway, what was the old normal? Where were we, and where are we now headed? On what basis shall they resist, and for what cause? You expect all of this from a population that until now has done whatever it was told in the name of "progress" without ever realizing that progress is relative and asking progress from what, to what. More than likely after enough push pull most people will break down and do what the quasi-paternal entity says so they're allowed to go back to their lives. This is progress to them. Otherwise, basically, you need religion. Plenty of such principles do in fact exist, so what one would do is deliver them with the proper framing and in the correct language for the audience. Honestly I'm not trying to be a dick here but it's just kind of funny, you're playing such an old-world absolutely ANCIENT game and yet you think you're the big dick who's going to just wander in and get it done with The Method. Back to St. Paul converting estranged Jews and g0y with tailored rhetoric, back to Babylon, back even to Sumer. It is the same. It has always been the same. You're not blazing trail here. I mean come on. >I don't even believe in the overton window, Too bad reality doesn't care what you believe, as they say. Again, this is a matter of cybernetics. Set and setting. Same reason why you feeling a time is the right time to [whatever] someone, just at a different level of organization. The overton window is not necessarily about people rejecting and ostracizing you, it's simply about permeability and uptake. People need the correct state and preconditions to engage with and use a given input. People like me try to store literally everything that comes in, understood or not. Most people however, my own tests have found, don't bother to store much of anything. This has importabt implications in how you expect to build something that is both within and part of something greater, for people to have and or share. I won't claim to be a grand architect or some sort of chameleon master manipulator, quite the opposite in fact, and yet I know it is so. >b-but muh ELF radiation' ELF to power frequency fields are a curious area. They definitely have a strong effect on biological systems and many of the older generations remembers high voltage lines and childhood leukemia / brain cancers, and so far as phones they're relevant due to the way the battery packs work, but overall you won't hear about that frequency range much. >im sorry i called you a nigger btw. It's okay. I hope you haven't taken anything too personally either.

>>43491 Sorry my dude but your studies are irrelevant to the current issue at hand: The fact that the elites are currently - RIGHT NOW - initiating a power grab using global lockdowns, travel bans, and stay at home orders. 5G legitimately has nothing to do with how they're going about enslaving us RIGHT NOW. I don't think I'm blazing a trail either - I just speak out against what I see as wrong and I think you trying to pill people on 5G soykaf when they need to be pilled on the real agenda behind lockdowns first. I get it, you're super blackpilled and everything's been fuarrrked since Gilgamesh was written - I disagree. >overton window theory disproven by hyperreality existing. get someone to consent to entering a hyperreal thought pattern and reddits window goes out the window. >I hope you haven't taken anything too personally either. I haven't dude, I just keep getting normans saying 'muh 5g muh microchips meds schizo' whenever I try to show them how lockdowns and all this bullshit are going to be maintained indefinitely and it's starting to piss me off. Maybe I'm just new to 'being a schizo' and I'll stop caring eventually but then I will have become you and been assimilated into whatever hyperreal blackpill you've imbibed.

>>43493 Cool it with the Big Tech 'how-to-humiliate-skeptics' playbook Buzzwords, my dude.

>>43493 >5G legitimately has nothing to do with how they're going about enslaving us RIGHT NOW. Shows, again, you don't know how all the pieces fit together. The desire is to create a God. What are the 3 primary attributes of God? Omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. Now how are you going to move into the biosecurity surveillance state without wireless and a high bandwidth fiber optic spine? There's smart sensors, mmWave through walls imaging, mmWave to detect yolur heart rate, hormone levels, breathing, been so much about smart sensors. You don't even know the first thing my guy, gotta tell ya. I thought it was interesting how much of this made it into Ergo Proxy, but again, old sci-fi concepts anyway, now becoming reality. Check out the Corbett Report. I think he titled it "The 5G Dragnet" or something like that. Then you have remote work, telecommuting, and so on. Under my model, covid was needed to mask the damaging effect of millimeter waves going forward. You can slowly kill whoever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want. All covert and probably even automated, wouldja lookat that. >disproven by hyperreality existing. Not sure precisely what you mean by hyperrreality, but again, the preconditions required to get someone to go into the abstract, then apply their knowing to the concrete in a meaningful way which actually impacts their behavior, it just doesn't work that way. You could call dissociative states, drug induced states, quasi-religious eperiences windowed hyperreality. How many people have you actually gotten there? You don't write great works of literature (people don't read anymore anyway), you don't make the latest predictive programming movies, music heard by the masses, whatever. How do you expect to tap the emotions required for an individual to move to a "hypperreality", or modify the environment enough to hold a group there? Chans are pretty meta and could be called hyperreal, but again, compartmentalization. Knowing is not realizing, nor is it being able to bridge the knowing to the doing. >I just keep getting normans saying 'muh 5g muh microchips meds schizo' whenever I try to show them how lockdowns and all this bullshit are going to be maintained indefinitely Then you're attacking the target you perceive as weaker, instead of rejecting the people who programmed them that way, your real abuser. You're just as fearful as the norm!es and playing right into their hands. The damage is done dude, the association is made. Maybe you should learn what you're talking about properly and attack it on that level "5G bad isn't even bullshit", or, the other choice is that you can hold your cards close and talk out both sides of your mouth as it were. Make them feel safe by not commiting and acting like you have The Answer and The Method, they shoehorn in 5G flat eart schizos you just say well I don't know 5G may or may not be an issue (ignoring flat earth completely, they don't care anyway) then move on to the point you wanted to make. That's how you get people to open up. However, be wary, dpending on the sort of person, once you convince someone to stop interacting with you through those less genuine canned means, bending or breaking that medium they "consented" to, ie betraying their trust, a lot of people just go numb and won't engage. If you're out there thinking I'm going to save them all, I'm going to save the world, I'm going to make them know and do what they ought to be, as I used to be, that's something to bear in mind. It really depends. A lot of people are in fact scared and they're used to thinking they can just ignore their problems until they're not in the their face anymore, whether that means they were sorted out or not.

>Why yes I'm clamped, circumcised and vaccinated. How can you tell?

>>43506 The poor posture. Your ear is supposed to be over your shoulder, he has some level of forward head carriage meaning the muscles surrounding his spine in the upper and lower back must be weak. This process was potentiated and indeed perhaps even initiated, by being clamping and vaccinated. The clamping and vaccination damaged proprioceptive fibers, leading to poor posture.

>>43506 >>43509 For ref. Just being muscular doesn't mean you have good posture nor a well trained physique, he definitely needs to work on those muscle groups. Though he is of the attached earlobe masterrace, so he gets points for that. The attached lobe is a type of based that cannot be clamped, vaxxed, or even cut away. In fact, the attached lobe shall one day inherit the Earth, reclaiming our righful place as rulers of this plane of existence.

>>43506 Did anyone ever find out whether Ernest Khalimov is real or just edited? I always thought his chin looked unreal.

>>43514 He descended directly from the World of Forms.

>>43506 Sorry guys, what does clamped mean? Google isn't telling me.

>>43518 Clamping the umbilical cord before it goes limp

>>43518 Clamping the umbilical cord immediately after delivery, ie, the standard procedure of deliberately preventing placental transfusion (~30% of the infant's blood is stored in the placenta and cord, they prevent it from flowing in). Let's see if Lainchan let's me post sources. The cord blood, placenta, and foreskin is parsed out and sold for exorbitant sums. https://www.atcc.org/search#q=foreskin&sort=relevancy&f:contentTypeFacetATCC=[Products] https://www.atcc.org/search#q=Umbilical&sort=relevancy&f:contentTypeFacetATCC=[Products] https://www.atcc.org/search#q=cord%20blood&sort=relevancy&f:contentTypeFacetATCC=[Products] https://www.atcc.org/search#q=placenta&sort=relevancy&f:contentTypeFacetATCC=[Products] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5290307/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259583/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32702760/ https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(18)31079-5/fulltext https://chem.libretexts.org/Courses/Saint_Marys_College_Notre_Dame_IN/CHEM_342%3A_Bio-inorganic_Chemistry/Readings/Metals_in_Biological_Systems_(Saint_Mary's_College)/Iron_Storage%3A_Ferritin https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3423128/ https://www.who.int/elena/titles/cord_clamping/en/ https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004074.pub3/full?highlightAbstract=umbil%7Cumbilical https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003248.pub4/full?highlightAbstract=umbil%7Cumbilical

>>43510 No, it's gross and weird. >>43521 More autistic paranoia about how x random thing makes people disabled for life.

>>43522 >No, it's gross and weird. "Free" lober detected. Heh.

>>43523 Ah. wow. I never thought about but Vincent is also an attached lobe. Of course, being a creation of the Gods, brown hair, pale skin, green eyes, and all. The creators of Ergo Proxy truly did know what was what. They even made Quinn, the seafarer, a tall fiery redhead. I've known redheads just like her, actually. Very based. Literally. Egyptian and Mesopotamian references, based on truth.

>>43523 I didn't even know some people had ears conjoined to their head before now. Ear lobes should be soft and cute.

>>43525 You just posted an attached lobe though. Lain's earlobes are also attached.

>>43526 Neither have ears like in >>43506

>>43527 You mean the smooth transition to the skull with no angle where a lobe would be, at all? I suppose you're right there. His is an extreme case of lack of earlobe, going beyond "Attached" I would say. Looking at mine it seems it depends on the position of the jaw and if the skin is stretched. Mine could look like either one depending on that variable.

I am going to take the jab because I am told to do so by experts.Side effects means that the Jab is working then I am going to wear a mask and do what my mask tells me to do because I trust the science.

>>43532 lmfao, it's real. https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1379483036979490824 CDC is seriously putting it in people's faces. An NPC faced vaxx recipient.

>this thread is full of antivaxx schizos damn, I had high hopes for lainchan. Guess that hope was misplaced.

>>43534 Begone, ye of the strongest glow.

>>43535 I get being weary of the AstraZeneca vaccine; I wouldn't take that one either. But c'mon, the other vaccines aren't going to kill you or turn you into NPCs. That is full on schizo territory.

>>43537 it's literally just as safe as every other one on the market. The threat is just exaggerated for marketing.

Those two articles in the image about contamination was the producers at a factory got ingredients mixed up because they were producing both the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and the Astrazeneca vaccine and it was the Johnson and Johnson that were screwed up on then destroyed not the Astrazeneca vaccine.

>>43539 >literally as safe kek, strange how the others didnt have the same issues with dead people.

>>43503 >Under my model, covid was needed to mask the damaging effect of millimeter waves going forward There it is, you don't even believe covid exists. Why the fuarrrk are you even in this thread? >I think he titled it "The 5G Dragnet" or something like that What I got out of this is that 5G bad because radiation bad and also IOT botnet is coming(now here but not really since we're not forced into it like he says - i can still buy a traditional lock for instance). I agree with most of this, 5G is botnet and bad. >remote work, telecommuting, and so on All of this is just antisocial conditioning. Effectively preparing us for an extended period of poverty and overt debt-slavery. You're unironically brainwashed if you can't see this. >Not sure precisely what you mean by hyperrreality Then you're not suited to speak on it. Understand the term and how people willingly consent to these worldview systems. I'm not sure I can explain it without going on a tangent about how - in a very literal sense - nothing is real anymore. We are in post-truth. Really, the biggest hole I see in your theory is this: >the government wants to implement 5G so they can spy on and assassinate citizens better >the government wants lockdown to never end so they can physically control us and trap us at home to be endlessly pillaged by their taxes and killed by both authority figures and riotous degenerates These can't both be true and one of these is playing out in front of us in real time - meanwhile the other is just sort of this thing that's been on the backburner since wifi was invented. >you're out there thinking I'm going to save them all, I don't think most people are even capable of getting this soykaf anymore. That this is endless - it just doesn't compute to most people. I don't know who I want to reach out to - maybe people that want to exit society already and are willing to accept that they were lied to, but I don't know. Whatever. >>43514 Looks like it runs in the family - probably photoshopped but he does at least sort of look like that.

Also the overall goal of corbett's 5G idea is basically what smart contracts are doing now. Maybe consider that they're not doing all this shady soykaf over network infrastructure but within the contents of those networks. Smart contracts do what you think 5G does. Anti-5G is also suspicious to me because it reeks of general anti-China sentiment. This rhetoric didn't really kick off until Trump brought up the fact that Huawei has incentive to sell and tamper with the data of US Citizens and anti-5G theories have only really taken off in countries that oppose Chinese tech advancement. So not only did you misattribute 5G with smart contracts, you likely bought into modern day McCarthyism because Americans don't want other countries developing tech that gets adopted on a large scale(likely so the CIA can keep putting backdoors in literally every semiconductor that gets sold on american soil)

>>43560 >i have an idea of whats going on in every country delusion 100

>>43563 What even is your assertation here? That I can't possibly know what's going on in America or China because I'm not American/Chinese?

>>43564 Youre have no idea what most non-english speaking countries people do yet you make widerange assumptions. Also it should be obvious 5g is not a topic in countries who dont even have 2g and wont get it either way. Heres another example topic relevant: Do you know what rona looks like elsewhere? No lockdowns in egypt&co as well as slav countries.Everything is open and they are living as usual while westerners think this is the new norm and everyone does it.

>>43565 You don't know what languages I speak or where I live, all you know is that I speak English and am not American or Chinese. By the way the US relies on Chinese tech for their 5G infrastructure and there weren't as many anti-5G theories before the US decided Huawei was bad. >No lockdowns in egypt&co as well as slav countries Same with most of Asia and the Pacific. Lockdowns only exist in Anglo countries, the EU, and their vassal states(Japan, Korea, New Zealand, etc) - and of course western media only shows those countries as virtuous and developed lul >while westerners think this is the new norm and everyone does it. I think that getting westerners to realize they've been played would be important - but they're all legit brainwashed and would probably just think "my country is just better thats why"

>>43565 >as well as slav countries.Everything is open and they are living as usual That's completely untrue. Source: I live in a Slavic country. The list of restrictions is available on the government's website (https://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/temporary-limitations) Read it and stop spreading obvious misinformation.

>>43567 I dont think that matters. I doubt you speak more than 5 languages which means youre locked out of the majority regardless where you live. We generally have no clue what most of the world is doing which is why i dont like generalizations like that. As for 5g , it was a topic before trump. Thats simple to verify - search youtube and videos older than his candidacy exist on it. He might have amplified the visibility and discussion but he didn't start it and 5g itself isn't even the real conversation starter. Concerns about non-ionizing radiation are as old as cell phones. People just like their memes and 5g is one like "the cloud" was used to market distributed computing. So now they harp about 5g. Its also obviously more relevant when its happening then when youre in 2010 and hearing we will have it somewhere decades in the future. Plus everyone is at home now - idle hands and all that...

>>43568 >pl eu bdsmd look belarus for an example.

>>43568 I can still fly to Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Moldova, Montenegro, etc. I can't fly to Australia, New Zealand, Japan, or USA though. Interesting. Compared to some countries, you're pretty well off. Also not dealing with the abject insanity say Canada or the UK are dealing with where they're making their own citizens pay for mandatory quarantine out of pocket even if they have good reason to travel. It's clear what the agenda is. >>43569 >which means youre locked out of the majority regardless where you live You really think like some Metal Gear character, you know. The world hasn't been that way for a long time. Even before the net you could get imported self-published material and whatnot from people living abroad - usually in English. Now with it, if you know at least English and one other language you can get a pretty good picture of things.

>>43571 Do you really think these people are representative? They are outliers by their nature. Someone who spends all his time on reddit and speaks english has no idea what his native language speaking people on their own sites do as he spends no time with them. Closed communities continue to exist on the web. That we can speak internationally links those of us who choose to come together but not the people who choose to stay in their native speaking places and avoid foreign contact.

>>43572 Do you really think I go on reddit and other places inundated with westerners so I only absorb western c*cked vews?

>>43574 Im not talking about you, im talking about what kind of person youre most likely to encounter when trying to find some news/blog talking about his own country. They do exactly what you say and have a limited scope of whats going on in their own place which makes them a bad source. Another thing that comes to mind are expats. They sit in the country and talk like experts while having even less knowledge about the locals. The only thing i would trust them on is laws & regulations as generally people learn them better than natives.

>>43575 Yeah I'm more talking about general discussion can give you a pretty good idea of where a country's at sociopoltically. Looking at their own forums. I read a taiwanese version of /drg/ pretty regularly and it's interesting to see them get more brazen as their government starts dealing with more real issues (like 5 years ago these guys were all super noided and now they give zero fuarrrks because they know they wont be v&) But yeah overall you're right and expats are fuarrrking retarded - especially american and brit ones who think they know everything after like a year living somewhere else.

>>43534 >this thread is full of antivaxx schizos >damn, I had high hopes for lainchan. Guess that hope was misplaced. >People are discussing things I don't agree with. >and now I am mad. How could this be happening to me?

>>43578 >>People are stupid. >and now I am sad. How could this be happening to me? ftfy

>>43578 It's like if you went to /sec/ and the most active thread was about how Windows 10 is extremely well designed and overall good. It's an opinion and there are small nuggets of useful discussion in there based on truth, but they're misappropriated to support a silly claim in a place you would expect to find more intelligent discussion than other websites.

>>43581 >hate windows corporate marketing >suport all vacc corporate marketing uncondionally make a choice at least. vacc B > vacc A is no different to linux>windows threads.

>>43580 Maybe you should take the hint that people on a site populated by knowledgeable tech nerds might not be espousing ignorant opinions. I don't even agree with that dude but he sure is knowledgeable about all the ways 5G might be harmful. He's not ignorant or stupid, at best he's just overzealous and thinks something that's mildly harmful is a bigger deal than it really is and relates to things it really doesn't. Which also isn't unheard of on tech forums, drawing connections that aren't exactly fully thought out. It's a forum, a place for discussion. Sounds like you're the one trying to gaslight us and force us to conform with your worldview.

>>43582 >>suport all vacc corporate marketing uncondionally who are you quoting?

>>43584 nobody directly obviously, >>43534 translates to it however

>>43559 Yep, you're just another black and white thinking contrarian retard. You put all these words into my mouth and try to twist it into this big "gotcha!" moment, speaking in one liners like you were raised on Family Guy and similar trash. The rest is just a loose string of "nuh uh, no you" with no basis whatsoever. I'd ask your age but you probably wouldn't tell me. If you're not glow you're definitely a cluster B regardless, and a dim one at that. You don't really deserve further time or energy. You're one of the vampires, black holes that I've described elsewhere. Quickly: >There it is, you don't even believe covid exists. Why the fuarrrk are you even in this thread? Black and white thinking. Logically it can be both yet you demand it must be one or the other because you lack nuance, don't know what you're talking about, tribalistic, intellectually lazy, trying to get rid of me still, etc. >What I got out of this is that 5G bad because radiation bad and also IOT botnet is coming My memory of it is hazy but knowing Corbett, this tells me you didn't watch it. He also focuses on the economic and NWO stuff, rarely health effects. Another lie exposed. >All of this is just antisocial conditioning. Effectively preparing us for an extended period of poverty and overt debt-slavery. You're unironically brainwashed if you can't see this. Yes, you can read what I've told you then parrot it back to me like it's all your idea. Congrats. More black and white here, you can't see tings as being more than one thing at once. I'm thinking you're a borderline, maybe some autism. Definitely not antisocial or narcissistic though. That kind of leaves BPD, hence your labile affect, black and white thinking, and other obnoxious infantile bullshit. Seriously, look into it. Borderline personality disorder. Not all of psychology is brainwashing trash. And if not BPD, most likely glow. Because you can't be for real right now. >Then you're not suited to speak on it. Understand the term and how people willingly consent to these worldview systems. I'm not sure I can explain it without going on a tangent about how Then hyperrreality is just a new term for an old phenomena, magical thinking, dissociation, and euphoria. Destruction brings catharsis and forms a feedback loop. All dying societies tend to display this apathy and doublethink towards truth. >These can't both be true and one of these is playing out in front of us in real time Yes they can. Use your imagination. Stop fighting yourself through me. You just want to think you know everything already because you're either young, terrified, or both. If the enemy and its ways are not clearly defined, you can't take it. Simple as, don't know what else to tell you. >meanwhile the other is just sort of this thing that's been on the backburner since wifi was invented. Guess you haven't looked at any stats on health. >I don't think most people are even capable of getting this soykaf anymore. Yes, clearly. >I don't know who I want to reach out to - maybe people that want to exit society already Old organizational problem I covered in the last thread. It becomes a spatial issue, but communes and parallel societies, if they can resist the outside, fail for their own reasons. Some want to live withina nd keep parasiting off this order, but not be affected greatly by it. No one knows the answer. >>43560 I'm sorry Lain, I can't do this. You're trying to talk at me as though you're several steps ahead when you're really several steps behind. It's just annoying. Not a good use of time. This might all be new to you, but I was talking about this 10+ years ago. I mean damn, maybe I was this obnoxious too, don't know, hard to put up with nonetheless.

>>43560 Also, another Lain responded to this media and information poor manufactured nonsense you've gotten into your head, but explicitly: >Smart contracts do what you think 5G does. Anti-5G is also suspicious to me because it reeks of general anti-China sentiment. This rhetoric didn't really kick off until Trump brought up Again, take the hint. You don't know what you're talking about. People have been anti-RF since Paul Brodeur's book "The Zapping of America", books like The Body Electric, revelations about the Moscow Signal, and so on. This was 1970's. It's come in waves but there was always a core thread, and anti-5G sentiment existed since it was announced for all the reasons you've described and many that you have not, because you do not understand them. The core driving force has nothing to do with Trump or any of the rest. It existing long prior.

>>43589 Mate, you're talking to me both like I'm trying to be combative and like I haven't been around the block. I know about all this soykaf. I've been annoyed by people like you when I was part of the antipsychichiatry movement(thought you were detracting from laws that infringe rights and shoving soykaf about cell phones frying our nuts being the same as ECT) - I saw shades of this soykaf when I tried speaking out against weed legalization(GMO weed, Big Weed, etc also attracted you lot - and now look we've got super-weed and black market hemp sprayed with RCs but what the fuarrrk ever) Point is I've seen shades of this before and don't really feel like engaging it. And I brought up that bit in the corbett video where the harmful effects are spoken of because I also know about the IOT control grid and see how covid advances it. I see how 5G relates to it in that regard like they're forcing us to adopt 5G devices that are harmful during covid by pushing more jobs online. Like fuarrrk dude I get it - my point is that I wanna talk about how to spread anti-lockdown soykaf and you wanna endlessly argue the finer points of EMF/ELF. Like what about DEWs, they can start fuarrrkhuge controlled burns in Cali with DEWs - what fuarrrking advantage does 5G give them when they can literally nuke us from orbit or fry our brains through the walls? It's worthless to think about this soykaf. It's not worthless to try and come up with a thoughtform that resonates with normans and helps put pressure on governments to end lockdowns and travel bans - something like what happened in the UK where people started resisting the lockdown after the government cracked down on a protest. >The core driving force has nothing to do with Trump or any of the rest. It existing long prior. Yes, but Trump platformed those theories because he has these CHINA BAD HUAWEI BAD ideas. If Trump never platformed them they'd still be 'on the backburner' - I never meant 'on the backburner' of importance or impact I meant 'on the backburner' of consciousness and therefore public discourse and helpfulness to various causes. Also gonna watch Ergo Proxy because of your posts. It looks good and I'm upset about the SnK ending, which is probably why I'm being a bit of a sheister in my arguments here.

>>43595 >Mate, you're talking to me both like I'm trying to be combative and like I haven't been around the block. I know about all this soykaf. I've been annoyed by people like you when I was part of the antipsychichiatry movement(thought you were detracting from laws [...] fuarrrk's sake. Now you're blaming me for every other little bad thing that you didn't like. You have a "type" and an axe to grind for whatever reason. Admit it and move on. Heard enough of your horseshit and I've probably torn psychiatry apart as much as or more than you. You're PROBABLY the kind of asshole that bitches and moans when people like Breggin (someone who's actually been anti-psychiatry and gotten results) brings up MKULTRA, Delgado, and others, because you freak out think duh norm!es will be scared off. Enough, Lain. >because I also know about the IOT control grid and see how covid advances it. Yes Lain, that has never been in question. >Like fuarrrk dude I get it - my point is that I wanna talk about how to spread anti-lockdown soykaf and you wanna endlessly argue the finer points of EMF/ELF. "Lol maybe if I misframe your activities everyone will agree that I m the only one Doing It Right(TM)." >what fuarrrking advantage does 5G give them when they can literally nuke us from orbit or fry our brains through the walls? Without understanding "scalar waves" and "tesla tech" as well as they do, it's impossible to comment. You want the answer to your question, fool? Read the literature and apply your brain. Bear in mind that there are 3 ranges for 5G,. not sure mmWaves. It's about densification and blanket saturation. >It's not worthless to try and come up with a thoughtform that resonates with normans and helps put pressure on governments to end lockdowns and travel bans You've said this repeatedly. Go fight your war your way then. You're not going to get anyone else to stop what they're doing. If things could be polarized and issues dealt with one at a time, yes, maybe that would work. Or maybe having one single front sustained while the others are not, would result in a more rapid loss. >Yes, but Trump platformed those theories No. These theories didn't spread nor change with Trump. The only thing that changed is fools who previously knew nothing, then believed health effects was a Chinese hoax. >Also gonna watch Ergo Proxy because of your posts. Definitely recommended. It all ties together on the points I've mentioned, but bear in mind, the entire thing doesn't center around it. Just like living in Brave New World, your whole life doesn't center around the human production facility, though everyone knows, "Community, Identity, Stability." >

>>43597 >not sure mmWaves. Not just* Typing quickly. Lot of weird typos lately.

>>43597 >brings up MKULTRA, Delgado, and others, because you freak out think duh norm!es will be scared off Not really because those things are sort of integral to anti-psychiatry. 5G isn't integral to anti-lockdown and it's association has proven ineffective. They've basically won on that regard and if we want this soykaf to end - ever - we need to change strategies. Learning that programs like MKULTRA and MK NAOMI were used to breed the chemical theory used to psychiatrically subjugate people today wakes people up. Learning that lockdown is all a big scam to force us to use slightly worse radiation than the radiation we're already exposed to doesn't help. >Yes Lain, that has never been in question. Yeah dude I was agreeing with you and you accused me of being ignorant. fuarrrk man I'm not against you our methods differ. I'm not trying to 'fight my way' or whatever - I'm trying to convince you that you're harming your own cause. Ultimately won't more people be fuarrrked if we all stay locked down and everyone starts using this soykaf just to work? No lockdown also = less 5G adoption. >The only thing that changed is fools who previously knew nothing, then believed health effects was a Chinese hoax. Dangerously based way of putting it. I kneel.

Lets look at it from this stand point. Is it a coincidence that the pandemic starts in china, then all of a sudden the media worships them, then they say oh hey look chinas getting a vaccine we should too, then china says we will lead the world with the vaccine pass everyone needs to hop aboard. Now we're here. I dont even remotely care about anything anymore, but maybe chinas trying to pull off another chinese century?

Reading this kind of thread as someone who pretty much doesn't watch TV, read news, or pay attention to politics is really interesting. It's like everyone else is losing their minds over something that I've never heard of.

>>43612 I dont even desire to argue from any stand point. Because both sides have their own problems alike. But we'll all lose in the end the end game is here and only ones who see it will perish along with the ones who dont. Theyll fall aimlessly and the ones who see it will fail to do anything. In the end the rich win.

>>43616 >the end game is here eh. I don't believe in "the end", there is only change, which is often unpleasant. >in the end the rich win Modern-day Ozymandiases

>>43616 Its not entirely fruitless to know. Those who understand should invest accordingly. Theres always a financial benefit if you bet correctly on the future outcome.

Kind of annoying to be risking fines everytime I open the door

>>43619 I lowkey wonna know what happens when you say you homeless. What are they gonna do?

>>43622 Multiple homeless people were fined in my country, it's beyond horrible. psycho police + absurd restrictions make a great match

>>43583 The only point of my post >>43580 was to point out that 43534: - never specified that the topic of discussion was the source of their disappointemnt - never expressed anger If 43578's author wanted to criticize 43534's evaluation of the thread, imo they should just do that, rather than adding these unfounded claims to elicit a stronger emotional response. maybe you think i'm nitpicking, but these cheap marketing techniques annoy me-_-

>>43619 >>43623 the fuarrrk, what country?

>>43623 they got no money so what now? mandatory jail perched together with other random people? Seems sensible lol.

>>43626 They get rounded up and clamped.

So now it appears they are systemically eliminating all non-mRNA vaccines. Looks like we were right again.

>>43818 Oh my, can you imagine my surprise.

>>43819 you seem sarcastic - but so far the people against this corona insanity have been on the mark about their predictions.

>>43821 Happened the same way in the USSR.

>>43819 Havent been paying attention much, but not like this suprises me either. And how convinient that all other vaccines killed people or crippled them en mass. Of course nobody of the politicians or pharmaceutical companies have to answer for that. Plus people still dont get that they are used as geniua pigs for a gene therapy used on mass scale without phase 3 clinical trials. >>43821 Every goddamn time and its going to be more. This soykaf will hit people like a fright train, they prepacked the new world order and now they just roll it out. >>43822 Except now they can do "medical" dictatorship instead of a political one. Most days i just wish people would drop dead, i guess not too soon my wish will come true. I also heard rumors the next virus(along with the mutant strains), is coming, its gonna be called something with n, i forgot the whole name.

What would happen if people of highest risk for COVID weren't old bags, but virgins? I think it could lead to some interesting developments.

>>43825 nobody would care, society doesn't value virgins the same way it values useless eaters and negroids dying from self-inflicted obesity. >>43824 >they prepacked the new world order and now they just roll it out. I had doubts until they stopped the J&J - the only non-mRNA vaccine in the US. That's a clear attempt at suppression. I'm unironically so fuarrrking mad.

>>43826 >nobody would care, society doesn't value virgins the same way it values useless eaters and negroids dying from self-inflicted obesity. What about the children?

>>43827 only if it's leagues worse for white female children lul

>>43824 like the AZ shenanigans, I view it as an attempt by Pfizer to stamp out competition. The actual danger posed by the J&J vaccine is so low that it literally doesn't matter, this is pure fearmongering. They've been very aggressive with their marketing/lobbying campaign. It's disgusting to me that private companies are even allowed to profit off something like this, but that's the hell world we live in. >>43821 >but so far the people against this corona insanity have been on the mark about their predictions. Really? So far the people who told me the vaccines would kill everyone were wrong, the people who told me the vaccines would cause new and horrible strains to arise and/or not work were wrong, the people who told me that lockdowns would never let up were wrong, and the people who told me that I would need permission to go to a different town were wrong. Your image looks like someone combined public information with some plausible predictions, forged an email, and then took a screenshot. >>43822 lol what? What about this is remotely similar to the October revolution or the ensuing three years of civil war that led to the creation of the USSR?

>>43337 Didn't only an extremely small number of people (like less than 100)/suffer any negative side-effects out of the millions receiving the vaccine? Almost any medicine will have negative side effects in a small number of people, wish they'd just move forward and not use this as a reason to hold off.

>>43829 >lol what? What about this is remotely similar to the October revolution or the ensuing three years of civil war that led to the creation of the USSR? What an utterly bizarre response. My policy has become not to engage with idiots, starve them instead. You glow pretty hard as well.

>>43831 More like that comparison comes off as particularly idiotic .

>>43830 You forget that the disease isnt 100% lethal either. You have to compare risk of problem vs solution. There are zero deads among healthy people without preconditions for rona which makes the astra vacc worse.

>>43830 They are certainly covering up more deaths and negative effects of the vaccines that have yet to be reported/exposed. But let's look at the J&J vaccine for example. So far, the people they admit died from blood clots were all young women. Young people have essentially no chance of dying from covid. Therefore, these people were just outright killed by the experimental vaccine for no reason. What are the long term effects? We don't know. How many deaths are being covered up? How much is the media suppressing information about known side effects? It seems everyone I talk to who gets one of these shots comes down with flu-like symptoms. What is the fuarrrking point of a flu vaccine that gives you the flu??? Yet this is against the rules on social media to discuss. Keep in mind these vaccines are not FDA approved and yet there is no legal recourse for people who die or suffer from them.

>>43839 >So far, the people they admit died from blood clots were all young women. I will now take your vaccine.

>>43839 >Young people have essentially no chance of dying from covid. .01%-.02% according to most sources I can find I can find reports of six women who got blood clots out of 6.8 million administered doses. Assuming all of them were fatal, that is < .0001% death rate. Two orders of magnitude lower. >It seems everyone I talk to who gets one of these shots comes down with flu-like symptoms. My parents were both completely fine, as were all of my relatives and most of my friends. I had the worst reaction I've ever heard of and it wasn't as bad as the last time I got the flu. Meanwhile my close friend was laid low for over a month by coronavirus. Disbelieve me if you like. I am stating the reasons why I believe what I believe. >What is the fuarrrking point of a flu vaccine that gives you the flu??? did you know that many vaccines do this? Apparently if you get the smallpox vaccine you can get a small amount of pox and even be infectious for a few days. And yet, using those vaccines, smallpox was eradicated. >Keep in mind these vaccines are not FDA approved They're FDA authorized for emergency use. Note sure what the difference is. >and yet there is no legal recourse for people who die or suffer from them. Yup, yet another reason to hate medicorps.

>>43829 >So far the people who told me the vaccines would kill everyone were wrong, the people who told me the vaccines would cause new and horrible strains to arise and/or not work were wrong, the people who told me that lockdowns would never let up were wrong, and the people who told me that I would need permission to go to a different town were wrong. >picking the most irrational arguments to validate your point nice. So far the people who told me that the goal was to get everyone to take the mRNA gene therapy have been right, the people that have said vaccines won't lead to the abolition of covid-inspired restrictions on freedom of movement were right, the people who said that magic new variants would be used to extend lockdowns forever are right, and the people who said '2 weeks will turn into forever' are right even though I called them schizos just two months ago. >Your image looks like someone combined public information with some plausible predictions, forged an email, and then took a screenshot. It's a leaked email from someone in the Canadian government - everything's been proven correct except COVID-21 is now some variant and they pushed everything back by a few months - at one point are you "people" going to realize you were lied to(providing you're actually a true believer not someone paid to spread these lies)

>>43848 >So far the people who told me that the goal was to get everyone to take the mRNA gene therapy have been right It's not a conspiracy when they say they're doing a thing and then do that thing. >the people that have said vaccines won't lead to the abolition of covid-inspired restrictions on freedom of movement were right But the restrictions are lifting, at least in the US. >the people who said that magic new variants would be used to extend lockdowns forever are right But the lockdowns are lifting despite the variants. Bars are open. Have you been outside recently? >the people who said '2 weeks will turn into forever' are right even though I called them schizos just two months ago. But forever hasn't happened yet. I'm all for worrying about how the government is trying to fuarrrk us over but you have to focus on the things they're actually doing and not just make stuff up. Like all that money they dumped into the corporations while insisting "don't worry bro we don't have inflation here" as grocery prices rise.

>>43851 >It's not a conspiracy when they say they're doing a thing and then do that thing. They never said they were going to mandate the experimental gene therapy, which they are doing by intentionally suppressing the safer alternative. >But the restrictions are lifting, at least in the US. You absolute niggers were saying that six months ago, I was one of you. I was saying this six months ago when we were just heading into muh second wave and everyone was saying that was some ebin conspiracy that wasn't gonna happen because 'look were reopening' >But forever hasn't happened yet. And yet the trend is clear - the goalposts will move every time the previous qualifier for reopening has been reached. Remember two weeks to stop the spread? Remember 30 days to flatten the curve? Remember "the government will never reinstate restrictions because people are sick of it second wave is a nothingburger" - holy soykaf nigger what are you doing? I'm not making soykaf up and you're not acting in good faith.

>>43851 >But the restrictions are lifting, at least in the US. Yes because its nigger chimpout time,they did the same thing last year don't you remember?

>lol dude its just some fake email dude >i need some 'expert' to tell me what reality is >trust me it's fake the government would never do something like that niggerbrains

>>43848 >mRNA gene therapy it doesn't modify your genome whatsoever. It wouldn't make sense to allow a traditional vaccine to exist in the first place if the point was to get everyone to take an mRNA vaccine. That's missing coverage on millions of people. >he people that have said vaccines won't lead to the abolition of covid-inspired restrictions on freedom of movement were right I never really got a restriction on freedom of movement, but I also never really tried to fly. I do know for a fact that you can travel to other countries, usually with a short quarantine period if it's far enough away. IMO they should require masks on plane flights anyway. >the people who said that magic new variants would be used to extend lockdowns forever are right Except they're not. I work for the US government and we're preparing to reopen our doors to the public in a few weeks, and all restrictions are expected to end in a few months. >It's a leaked email from someone in the Canadian government and I should believe that... why? >everything's been proven correct except COVID-21 is now some variant and they pushed everything back by a few months "I predict that at some point in the future, things will get worse". Wait for things to get worse -> "I told you so". >>43855 >dude it's real, I can tell because it was posted on the internet >I need random screenshots of text to tell me the truth, critical thinking is worthless >if something is plausible it is true

>>43856 >I work for the US government Why would you jeopardize your job by telling the truth then. Stop trying to gaslight people on imageboards, glownigger.

>>43857 because I don't give a soykaf about my job. I got better stuff coming down the pipeline.

>>43858 Then quit, why would I believe anything a glownigger piggie says?

>>43848 >at one point are you "people" going to realize The answer is never. There will never be a point when it finally clicks and you stop hearing their same tired, robotic bullshit in response to whatever you're saying. Just ignore them. They exist to drain you of time, energy, and your will. This is what they most sap you of, the sense that it's not futile. They are vampires and black holes.

>>43860 That point came for me though, I was fully on board with this pandemic soykaf as little as two months ago. Then doubts started creeping in and recent events turned those doubts into a deluge of realizations that ultimately led me to realize that this entire thing was a front to set up legal, social, and monetary infrastructure that will make return to normal impossible. This guy admitted to working for the government which is something I've been suspecting too - every conversation I have about this is just people repeating the same talking points. I think it's intentionally designed to drive you crazy.

>>43856 > I work for the US government and we're preparing to reopen our doors to the public Are you Q ANON?,I trust the plan, Just few more weeks WWG1WGA! Going to get vaxxed warp speed !!!!!!!

>>43864 It's funny because if Q really is Ron he ended the larp by saying "the real plan was the friends we made along the way" corny moe watching ass nigga

>>43861 > this entire thing was a front to set up legal, social, and monetary infrastructure that will make return to normal impossible sure, of course, every single government in existence got together and came up with a worldwide conspiracy to like.. get people to buy toliet paper or some soykaf... either that or youre paranoid and should really take your meds.

>>43888 You dont seem to realize most of the world doesnt participate in this charade. Youre getting fuarrrked on your own with your permanent lockdown.

>>43625 The country of love my friend. I got fined twice already

>>43860 "Some" people will wake up eventually, most are too far gone for good to ever take notice. What really showed for me was that there really is this division between people who reject the narrative and question things and those who blindly go along in order for things to go back to "normal". Even before the pandemic the "normal" was terrible, we had problems that people who now go along with the narrative didnt care about or even acknowledge either. Many people would do anything to just keep things going like they were, but the truth is that things never will be "normal" and the train had already fallen off the rail long before covid. But people dont wanna acknowledge that either, its like in 2019 we lived in some sort of golden age, which in reality was the same capitalist swamp we are in now but minus mask and vaccine scare. What makes things worse is that other problems didnt go away but actually became worse, but those go along with the program just think going back and keep going is the way to go. Things were so badly wrong even before covid, id say covid is more of a symptom of modern society than a new thing, people should have thought of how to change things long before covid. Instead they kept going, now they put the mask on, take whatever is in those "vaccines"(regardless of consequences) and all that just so they can keep running towards the cliff some more. Yesterday i saw stickers posted out everywhere for a website of some youth activity group that is trough with all this stuff and wants it to stop. There was even a billboard deployed that advertised to stop with mask, test and vaccines. People around here dont like this soykaf, theyre fed up and its not going to go the way the powers that be push it, if they keep pushing people will push back in a big way. I also heard that recently on polish tv (pvt1) 1o clock(idk which day), there was a doctor and lawyer on a talk show actually telling that there is nano technology in those vaccines. I told this a 1000 times and ill tell it again, if you dont realize right now that the powers that be dont have in interest in your wellbeing and treat you as cattle for whatever they want then youre fuarrrked.

>>43912 >doctor and lawyer on a talk show actually telling that there is nano technology in those vaccines Anon, you almost had me for a minute but throwing out these sorts of vague, buzzwordy claims that are clearly intended to elicit an emotional reaction just make it impossible to take you seriously. It's the sort of thing you see from russian/chinese disinfo campaigns. Also nanotech is in everything these days. I don't know what the technical classification is but it wouldn't surprise me if little mRNA machines count as nanotech. It's just putting a scary name to it like dihydrogen monoxide. Are you in Poland? I don't know how things are there. Here in my corner of the US things are mostly back to normal. I have no doubt the people in charge would round us up like cattle and stick trackers in our butts if it would make them a single nickle more and they thought they could get away with it, but they can't get away with it and they actually need a happy enough mid/lower class to work all the soykafty jobs so it wouldn't be profitable. >>43889 As an American I will of course assume everyone else is also from the center of the universe until informed otherwise, so you need to be more specific about where the charade is being participated in or not.

>>43915 >Anon, you almost had me for a minute but throwing out these sorts of vague, buzzwordy claims that are clearly intended to elicit an emotional reaction just make it impossible to take you seriously. You didnt have me however, assuming im here to troll and pointing it doenst give strength to your argument. I have neither attempted to elicit any reaction at all nor to disinfo. You on the other hand just threw that in the first line, if thats not an attempt at dissinfo then i dont know what is. I had merely given the information i received, automatically discarding my information and labeling it as disinfo makes it more than impossible to take you seriously. Luckly i am not in poland, i am in switzerland for the sake of giving more detail, i have relatives there and least to say things are terrible over there. People are/have been forced to wear masks when there is nobody around and/or hunted by drones for leaving their houses to go take a walk in the forest. About the polish nanotech doctor interview, i havent seen it myself but i dont disregard it as disinfo offhand just because it doesnt fit the narrative. I mentioned it because i thought it might be interesting for polish lains to dig it up, as i know there are a few here, they can watch it and judge for themselfs, maybe tell others. >Also nanotech is in everything these days. Maybe i live under a rock but i have never seen anything with nanotech in it, i guess they would label it when they put in food. >I don't know what the technical classification is but it wouldn't surprise me if little mRNA machines count as nanotech. Machines that can cross the blood barrier, change dna and can be programmed to interact with the body and even outside of it is a very scary prospect actually, especially when deployed on a mass scale. >but they can't get away with it and they actually need a happy enough mid/lower class to work all the soykafty jobs so it wouldn't be profitable. This world view is so wrong, they did do so many terrible things and got away with so much soykaf over the years, if you knew even a part of it you wouldnt make such a ignorant statement. You should also have figured out by now they dont need anything other than the ability to take what they want. The people who are at the top are so wealthy and powerful i bet most of them just want people to be unhappy for soykafs and giggles. Productivity hasnt been the determining factor in economics since 2000, it is a virtual economy based on speculative asset and shares of stakeholder companies. The working man is working not to make something or earn money, but in order for them to not go against the established system. It is exactly this kind of slide along mentality which >>43915 is presenting that is the real danger, saying its all business as usual when its far from it and labeling alternative view points as disinfo. This is how freedom of thought dies, not book burning or censoring, but simply by calling it disinfo, its that easy nowdays.

>>43915 Isnt the us split on this? Heard texas is normal while other states are still all stores closed.

>>43917 I'm not saying you're a troll, I'm saying you're a fool who fell for blatant FUD. >automatically discarding my information Your information is so vague it is unactionable. Lets assume the vaccines contain nanotech for a minute. What does that mean? Does it make the vaccine extra effective? Does it give you cancer? Will it give me +5 INT? How am I supposed to change my behavior with this information? >i havent seen it myself So you're just spreading rumors and hearsay then? >Machines that can cross the blood barrier, change dna and can be programmed to interact with the body and even outside of it Ok, but that's different than just "nano tech". Have such descriptions been made by people in a place to know or are you just extrapolating based off your imagination? If there is evidence for these things I would like to see it, but I'm not going to modify my behavior based off mere speculation. >i have relatives there and least to say things are terrible over there I'm sorry to hear it. Like I said, I don't know much about how things are elsewhere and can only speak to how they are here. >i bet most of them just want people to be unhappy for soykafs and giggles The bad guys IRL are not Bond villains. >>43918 To some extent it varies, but I think most places are pretty open. NY/LA might be in halfhearted lockdown still, but those have always been soykafholes I wouldn't want to go to anyway.

>>43912 Yes, I agree. Old "normal" was garbage as well, however, while a new normal was needed, I have to continually remind people that the people in power got us to the old normal. Why would you have faith and just follow their script as they transition us into the "new" (old) normal in yet another way? It's going to just be the same soykaf. >I also heard that recently on polish tv (pvt1) 1o clock(idk which day), there was a doctor and lawyer on a talk show actually telling that there is nano technology in those vaccines. Only responding to this part because stupid glowing government Lain is still ITT saying stupid things, jumping all over anything "out there" which gives him badthink and badfeel. I skimmed his post and saw "nRNA" and "dihydrogen monoxide". Didn't bother to read the rest. Basically, dosing the planet with nanotech has been an idea for the last 20+ years. Think of Deus Ex. In our world however, what they do is spray nano aluminum, barium, strontium, tin, etc in the upper atmosphere, suspende din synthetic polymers meant to mimick spiderweb (plastic) so these particles stay up longer. Some are probably just poison, others are flat sheets that act as ideal water nucleation surfaces (causing rain), sometimes snow (via endothermic reaction of barium hydroxide octahydrate and ammonium nitrate), sometimes they use ground based ionosphere heaters to beam those particles and heat them up causing localized high pressure domes to divert water, and so on. All of this ultimately falls down to the surface where it goes into every living thing, having no natural defense against "monatomic", nano, and micron scale metals. There, it comes to serve another purpose. There was the idea long ago that mad cow disease and its human variant were caused by such metals and fungal spores being taken up by the grains. It forms small crystalline structures, human eats them, cow eats them, then exposure to RF causes these structures to start to self assemble. There's too much literature devoted to smart dust, smart sensors, RF guided nano coordination, nanoscale antennas (eg made of barium) and so on to go into this at length. They were experimenting with altering gene expression via RF as far back as the 60's, at Cold Spring Harbor, apparently. Anyway, check out https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html Not going to gather together tons of sources. The literature on nanotech is out there trivially available. It's pretty obvious they put soykaf in the vaccines to do stuff to us, and have for quite some time.

>>43917 >Maybe i live under a rock but i have never seen anything >with nanotech in it, i guess they would label it when they put in food. Yes, that's the point. They dose you without telling you. By injection, by ingestion, by inhalation, by transdermal absorption.

>>43937 >exposure to RF causes these structures to start to self assemble The current state of the art is just nowhere near the level you think it is. IRL nanotech is boring and ubiquitous. Glass coatings, TVs and soykaf, and if you eat it you'll most likely just get cancer. Not itty bitty robots, at least not outside of very controlled conditions in labs. The rest you're talking about sounds like just pollution which is obviously a thing but not really noteworthy. Anyway these conspiracies make no sense, if it's already everywhere then why would they need to distribute it via vaccine? >they put soykaf in the vaccines to do stuff to us yeah, like I'll bet they put foreign genetic material in there to stimulate your immune system. Those sneaky bastards!

>>43942 I'm pretty sure you and I have been through this before. You have two core problems. 1) You assume "I see nothing, therefore, there is nothing to be seen". This is a problem because it assumes you are a superset of the world, it assumes omniscience. 2) You only spend resources trying to break a case, never doing so conclusively mind you, and no effort is put into trying to make it work. You are flippant, lazy, dismissive, ignorant, and arrogant. A terrible combination. So to your question "why the vaxx??", use some creativity, take your pick. Perhaps you want the cells to manufacture something that aids nanotech, deactivate the immune system relative to it, or change immune activity to create carriers to traffick raw material to the rest of the body (as intramuscular injection already does). Other opportunities abound. Copied from the document you should have read by now. -Magneto proteins https://www.insidescience.org/news/magneto-protein-could-help-magnets-control-brain-circuitry Stanley et al 2016 - Bidirectional electromagnetic control of the hypothalamus regulates feeding and metabolism https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4894494/ Wheeler et al 2016 - Genetically targeted magnetic control of the nervous system https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4846560/ Nimpf 2017 - Is magnetogenetics the new optogenetics? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5470037/ Recently certain reports failed to replicate it, however. Which could be genuine, or it could be trying to put the cat back in the bag for whatever reason. The original work was done via the Rockefeller Institute. https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/two-studies-fail-to-replicate-magnetogenetics-research-66474 -Prefabricated implants and stimulators Freeman 2017 et al - A Sub-millimeter, Inductively Powered Neural Stimulator https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5712043/ -Neuralink -NeuraSigma Monarch (similar to patent on flicker rate manipulation?) -Delgado etc However, what if you don't need to surgically implant electrodes? Through RF guided nanotechnology, perhaps implants can be grown in the body. -Implants grown in the body, assembled in place https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/magneto-microcrystals-give-magnets-superpower-over-living-cells

>>43942 >yeah, like I'll bet they put foreign genetic material in there to stimulate your immune system. Those sneaky bastards! And I just want to explicitly highlight this. This is what you get after years of social media programming. Cutesy stupid quips meant to get upvotes, likes, rep, attention, whatever. I mean look I can have some empathy here, I know you're in a different frame and on another wavelength, but honestly Lain you're being so fuarrrking stupid right now.

>>43337 Someone mentioned this to me the other day, and I didnt believe it, so I looked it up and turns out its real, and also really upsetting because the vaccine is not out of trial stages. Imagine being told your life is in literally in danger and the only way the government will save you is if you volunteer to be a vaccine test subject. >People on the Caribbean island where a volcano went off are being evacuated on cruise ships — but not without a COVID-19 vaccine >People on the volcano-stricken island of St. Vincent will be evacuated to certain neighboring islands only if they've been vaccinated against COVID-19, the nation's prime minister said. >Cruise ships have been dispatched to the island that is being partially evacuated after the 4,000-foot high volcano La Soufrière erupted on Friday. >But people have to be vaccinated before they board the cruise ship, Ralph Gonsalves, the prime minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, said at a press conference the day after the eruption.

>>43949 They clamp, just like how they spawn camp in the delivery room. What can I say.

>>43956 Either a bot, or 100% off topic schizoposting. This has nothing to do with COVID

>>43961 you lack imagination, majority is now at home using wlan for internet instead of outside doing irl stuff. So whatever effects it has would be amplified by longer / stronger exposure to pre-covid times. So tldr makes sense to care more now if you believe its real.

I got my first Pfizer vaccine yesterday. It went pretty smoothly but my arm is still experiencing pretty extreme soreness. I can't comprehend being disillusioned to this extent that you could view a free vaccination itself as being some kind of mode of oppression. Are you that desperate to live in a sci-fi world that you can't just believe it's in the best interest of authoritarian nation states to stop spreading viruses so they can continue to exploit labor for continued power accumulation as quickly as possible? It really has to be "nano chip technology" that you're being injected with? The world must be much more fun from your eyes, but as it is you're playing into spectacle society just as much as any "sheep" are.

>>43967 >strawman over tinfoil soykaf when op started this all about which vacc is best. are you even trying? Your gov argument is also devoid of basic economics. Sure its all for profit. So is using the cheapest vacc you can get instead of the more expensive safer one. This is the issue where interests of the individual collide with gov / health insurance.

>>43961 Neither. What I said is not only pertinent, but conveys the necessary point in an adequately clear, condensed, and concise way as well. Any difficulty understanding stems from deficits in abstraction and lateral thinking, in the same sense as people who have difficulty understanding idioms, metaphors, allegories, etc, who instead of trying to expand and improve themselves, simply blame their environment for their lack of comprehension. No no, it couldn't be my fault, oh no, nothing is my fault, surely it couldn't be an issue with me, therefore, the issue must be you! I don't understand and it's all your fault! Spoonfeed me, NOW! I'm the kind of person who picks apart everythingand tried to turn it to use, understand it, and extract meaning from it. I try to figure out its basis and genesis. As such, I mean I "get it", but nonetheless your lazy and needy bullshit is completely alien to me. Improve. Unclamp.

>>43967 >nations Found your problem. You're stuck believing in nations, which means you don't understand basic economics and the globalized financial system. Since you lack any conception of leverage imposed by a supranational force, you lack any ability to reason about the activities, demands upon, and motives behind, the so-called "nations".

>>43967 >I can't comprehend being disillusioned to this extent that you could view a free vaccination itself as being some kind of mode of oppression. The vaccine isn't itself a mode of oppression, it's an excuse to continue oppression. Lockdowns and the Rights restrictions in place around the world are tyrannical. Our rubric for ending this tyranny is not possible to attain and if we were to approach a "win" the rubric will change. You went in to get that vaccine thinking it would be two injections and things go back to normal, that's not going to happen. Pfizer has announced you'll need a third and another three every single year. Flat curves are wide, restrictions limit spread but do not stop it and vaccines don't even get you a year of immunity. By choice or coincidence the way we have collectively decided to engage this pandemic will keep COVID-19 a clear and present danger for decades.

>>43998 I should add: The vaccine is also being used as an excuse to expand oppression by introducing vaccine passports.

>>43967 The problem is, everybody is toting this vaccine as a solution, when the majority do not recognize that due to the current state of the vaccine, the only people to massively benefit are people with financial interest in it. I had to sign a form at work to either accept or decline, and one of the first statements was that the vaccine is still mostly untested in experimental stages, and that by receiving the vaccine I have to waive al liabilities associated with the vaccine or sideffects. Imagine going to a car dealership, and they want to sell you a car, but they cannot guarantee that the gas tank wont explode for no reason at all. There is a slim chance that it might and you would be left with irreversible bodily damage for the rest of your life, but in any case, they are not responsible if it does, because you accepted it as is under the condition that you wont hold them accountable. I understand the need for a vaccine, but what I don't appreciate is the mentality that everyone SHOULD get it now, in an untested stage, while companies make massive profit off of panic buying governments, who legally cannot hold them accountable for anything. Its any companies wet dream, all profit, no liability. Once it is approved as "safe," it is generally implied that they assume liability for reactions or problems. >>43972 >Any difficulty understanding stems from deficits in abstraction and lateral thinking, in the same sense as people who have difficulty understanding idioms, metaphors, allegories, etc, who instead of trying to expand and improve themselves, simply blame their environment for their lack of comprehension. The meaning seems to have been lost in the method of communicating. If you mean to say that there is a lack of consent in what would appear to be umbilical cord clamping and circumcision, just say so. Not that that has anything to do with COVID. Not to mention that those are both standard medical procedures, and that the alternative is to just have a baby at home. That is, however, a societal issue, and not one that can be changed after the fact.

>>44016 >but they cannot guarantee that the gas tank wont explode for no reason at all But that's the reality we live in. Even "safe" drugs you only find out decades later that it wasn't so safe, like aspirin gives you ulcers and priolosec causes cancer. I'm not going to cower in my basement in fear because it's not 100% guaranteed I will never get hurt, I will take an aspirin when I have a headache thanks. Maybe governments are getting ripped off but that's not really anything I can do much about. My tax dollars paid for it, might as well use it.

>>44016 >The meaning seems to have been lost in the method of communicating. Nothing really changes since my last post. >Not to mention that those are both standard medical procedures, and that the alternative is to just have a baby at home. If this is how you think, you really have no place in the conversation. Let's take an extreme example. You live in a society where they hit everyone in the head with a hammer at birth. How are you going to fare in that society in the long term? People like you never think about the big picture, or the long term. Again, deficit in abstraction.

>>44020 >My tax dollars paid for it, might as well use it. My God, this has to be glow.

>>44021 >How are you going to fare in that society in the long term? People like you never think about the big picture, or the long term. Again, deficit in abstraction. Just because society (which we seem have come to an agreement generally tolerates poor decisions) does not mean that it is for the best. Take abortion for example. It isn't good in the way society uses it, but aside from logic and reason or appeals to politicians that abortion should be an emergency procedure and not be treated as tertiary birth control, the only people who took matters into their own hands were themselves terrorists (i.e. eric rudolf). i don't even regard protesters outside clinics with any value, as they mostly just yell at people how they are being bad Christians and how they are murderers None of these outcomes are good for society, but it isn't my body or my families bodies that are being affected. It becomes a slippery slope to start regulating things for peoples "own good" that includes medical procedures. Your are fairly behind the times my friend, the fact that we are even having a discussion about how these things are taken for granted shows how bad things really are.

>>44024 You evaded my question. >None of these outcomes are good for society, but it isn't my body or my families bodies that are being affected. It becomes a slippery slope to start regulating things for peoples "own good" that includes medical procedures. The fact is, someone is always in control. You are being affected simply by existing in that environment with people who were. Either you escape, submit, or you take control. Those are the only options.

>>44026 >someone is always in control What absolute nonsense. If you're starting with that from the get go I'm sure you can believe all manner of bullshit.

>>44027 Nope. -Shrug- Strictly flat and cooperative organizational schemes are not stable. They always shake out hierarchical. If you do not control, you will be controlled. You will never simply be left alone, especially in the modern world.

>>44028 I don't think this is true. For one, you assume that schemes would have to be cooperative, but that is not the case. Consider ancient Greeks, who fought constantly, but had a unified culture and trade relationships that allowed them to quite successfully colonize the Mediterranean and resist invasions. >If you do not control, you will be controlled Sure, but I think even those who are "in control" are being controlled. There's never some person or group of people at "the top" that secretly move things their way, there are players doing various things, sometimes competing, sometimes cooperating, all of them ruled most by the system they play in, which is no one and answers to no one.

>>44032 The only system that answers to no one is "Mother Nature", the laws of the universe themselves. The others have architects, if not at first, then eventually, by necessity. The apparent cycles and flux you're describing is a strictly local and short term effect, ie. an illusion.

>>44032 Internal fights dont prohibit a unified front to external threats. Both happens simultaneous. Classically external threats were used to quell internal conflict growing too large while others used internal struggle funding one side secretly to destroy opponents from within. Rome got wrecked partly due to outsider influence on the ruler for example.

The people "in charge" (politicians, corporate executives, "old money" trustfund babies, etc...) should never, ever be trusted. A lot of people have the perceptive fault of thinking everyone is just and morally sound, when in fact evil people do exist, and a lot of them are in positions of political power. I'm not talking about "evil" in a religious context, but evil in that they're people who don't care for the man or woman to their left or right. Narcissists. Pedophiles. Sociopaths. Take Bill Gates for example. The man had pushed for vaccines in Africa and other impoverished areas that resulted in sterilizations and deaths, and now he's pushing for vaccines across the world for a virus with a 99% survival rate? He's one of the richest individuals on the planet. You have NO IDEA what that lifestyle is like. He sees himself as a god, like most narcissists do, but him especially because of his position. He "knows what is right" for society and is someone who, in the past, has been an advocate for population control (as long as it doesn't apply to himself, of course). These people do not care about you and will sell you down the river in a heartbeat. Look at the politicians in the government who are coerced by lobbyists to advocate for changes that harm the majority for the benefit of a few. Those "public servant" congress members are all millionaires in cahoots with business owners, public figures, and other nasties. Once you understand what these people are you can understand why the vaccine is such a problem and shouldn't be trusted under any circumstances. Vaccines work. The technology has saved countless lives. My problem is this vaccine has been pushed far, far too quickly by a company with a tainted past for a virus with an ecosystem of fear, lies, and slavery, as in, you're becoming a slave to your very own peers and the government imposing "lockdowns" and "quarantine camps" (In the case of Canada). Rates of mental illness have been at an all-time high. The mask is a sign of conformity and weakness. It obviously has done jackshit in stopping the virus since its still proliferating with everyone wearing them, so then why wear it? Its the mark of slavery, just like the nike logo upon shirts. Oh boy do the elites love their symbolism, especially with a lot of them religious fanatics, usually Zionist or Satanist.

The vaccines are hardly proven to be vaccines, since you can catch and carry Covid. It's a remedy or therapy which lessens symptoms. Other existing remedies from Remdesivir to Vitamin D are not getting equal research nor investigation from the 'experts', who are merely pharmaceutical profiteers and technocrats. Fauci himself responded that vitamin D lessens symptoms and he takes it himself. That is the only time he had mentioned vitamin D in any way during the pandemic. Emergency Use Authorization is only granted if there are no alternative remedies available, so these vaccines would not be distributed if any other treatments were officially acknowledged. The research towards the utility of these alternatives are not getting any "WARP SPEED" treatment of course. Sufficient vitamin D alone has shown to reduce hospitalizations by 80%. The mortality vs the disease does make the vaccine look like the better choice when weighing the risk benefit, however 96% of fatalities from Covid had comorbities. You will have to take the vaccine at least once a year for boosters, plus any extra vaccines for variants. The vaccine doesn't get less dangerous each successive time you take it, in fact more adverse events happen after the 2nd dose. Mortality from Covid has largely been concluded based on symptoms and non-scientific guesswork, all while some hospitals had financial incentive to do so. Mortality from vaccines are tallied through extremely deficient voluntary reporting systems, of which according to studies may be underreporting real incidents by anywhere between a factor of 33-42x for serious events -- all while the media reports there are no deaths. The preliminary phase-3 research is a mess as well. Moderna made their vaccine in a single day in March, with Pfizer taking a week in the same month. Multi-billion dollar contracts were signed before the trials even began. The trials omitted pregnant women, those with allergies, and children. Only reduction of symptoms were measured. Never has there been an approved drug that instructs genes to do something 'additive', and the first approved mRNA medication had released in 2018 which 'silenced' genes. The nanolipid delivery is also new as of 2018. The mRNA sudies that tesed for long-term complications found serious adverse events such as antibody dependent enhancement, auto-immune dysfunction, prion disease, liver and heart failure, reproductive issues, and more. Known dangerous ingredients are used in the vaccines as well, such as PEG and Polysorbate 80. The lockdowns cause more harm than good. They've destroyed small businesses. Ruined the careers of a huge amount of non-business owners. Caused a large increase of suicides. A large amount of death from people avoiding hospitals for fear of infection, or hospitals being overbooked and understaffed. People losing their homes and going hungry. Financial affects that will linger for generations, with 150 million reaching the status of extreme poverty in the last year, with as much as 400 million to follow by 2030. Easy to guess an at least similar impact psychologically. Major tech platforms have deleted posts and derezzed users, including PhDs of directly related fields, for sharing links to sites such as the CDC and clinical research, just because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Plans for vaccine passports, medical surveillance, lockdowns, Warp Speed vaccination, astroturfing and sliencing information, mass genetic programming, restriction of freedom and movement, inflation of death counts, collusion of medical media and government agencies for narrative promotion... ad nauseum, are all things that had been wargamed, simulated, and roadmapped by the very people promoting covid fear and coerced vaccination. WHO's Event 201, WEF's SPARS Pandemic, DHHS's Crimson Contagion, European Commission's 2019 Roadmap To Vaccination, 2020 leaked Canada Covid Roadmap memo are just a few of these eeriely prophetic projects. What is happening now is called disaster capitalism. The suspensions of the AstraZenica vaccine is one of the more obvious examples of it, as it being a far cheaper competitor, and the offending complications of which pale in comparison to the other deadly complications that happen far more often in every single Covid vaccine on the market. And while there is certainly a new illness going around, the authenticity of SARS-CoV-2 is also questionable. All vaccines and research refer to China's sequencing of the virus. No laboratory has isolated and purified the virus, instead relying on detecting strands of 30-40 genomes referenced in the sequencing, of which can be shared with other things such as Influenza, other coronaviruses, HIV, particular human genes, and more. The media, the lockdowns, 'new normal' propaganda, and the vaccine passes of various sorts are all forms of coercion. People are restricted from living their life in various ways and people just 'take the jab' so they can 'return to normal'. Those that question the narrative are demonized. Companies increasingly require their employees to be Covid vaccinated. Government, corporate, and medical serviellance is neccessitated to keep this machine running. The vaccine companies full well expect to make a 'Covid vaccine franchise' lasting many years, potentially decades. Vaccines in pills, in food, implantables that detect your vitals and test for viruses and symptoms, personalized vaccines, selfish ledger and blockchain systems... this soykaf is not going to end and will only get worse. I mean, ffs, I could go on, and I tried to keep it brief and failed spectacularly. So I guess I'm an uninformed and delusional schizo... and know what? I think I'd rather be that than the vaccine sheep of technocratic, pharmacidal, late-stage capitalists. Novus Ordo Seclorum.

>>44037 >Vaccines work. The technology has saved countless lives. Nope. While taking this position may be politically and socially expedient, it means you're not speaking the full truth. The fact is they're a ridiculous concept and have poison from the very getgo. All the way back to cowpox and forced vaccination in Europe. Producing an antibody is not an adequate proof of efficacy, does not mean you didn't cause other types of disease, and there are better ways to do all of it. Vaccines are pseudoscience, quackery, and old world trash that needs to go.

>>44042 ah yes, all those diseases like Smallpox and Polio that people basically don't worry about now, those just magically disappeared.

>>44047 Sanitation and nutrition. Reduced exposure to organochloride pesricides, diethylstilbestrol, other environmental toxins. The rest were all parsed out reclassified. Amytrophic lateral sclerosis, sclerosing panencephalitis, transverse myelitis, and so on. Disappeared well before the introduction of vaccines, in fact, modern polio is primarily the vaccine derived variant. Vaccines made it worse via cutter incident, etc.

>>43337 >i wonder whats happening in the antivax thread >the ((((((elites) millimetre wave 5G gamma rays do be ionizing our jaw lines also vaccines dont work

>>44042 >>44040 > Emergency Use Authorization is only granted if there are no alternative remedies available, so these vaccines would not be distributed if any other treatments were officially acknowledged. This is precisely why there is NO incentive to trying o find alternatives that aren't the trademarked miracle drug being toted to governments. >Multi-billion dollar contracts were signed before the trials even began. This is problematic to me, they could have sold snake oil because the money was already in their bank accounts before it was even complete. > What is happening now is called disaster capitalism. The suspensions of the AstraZenica vaccine is one of the more obvious examples of it, as it being a far cheaper competitor, and the offending complications of which pale in comparison to the other deadly complications that happen far more often in every single Covid vaccine on the market. This is almost at the level of Du-pont urging governments to get involved in world wars for the good of mankind and justice, despite this also implying that they would go on to supply almost all of the bulk chemicals used by the allied forces for world war 1. If money is involved, you better believe that opportunists will throw the entire civilization under the bus to make a buck. Recall the increase in first time millionaires/billionaires in china as soon as COVID was declared a pandemic, and every textile factory converted to making masks and PPE. >All vaccines and research refer to China's sequencing of the virus. I stopped believing all of the official data as soon as it became clear that the numbers were being over/underestimated by all sides. The criteria became so tight or loose just to create a desired narrative. China only called confirmed symptomatic cases "covid patients" while almost every other nation called anyone with varying degrees of flu-like symptoms to be cases (both with or without positive tests). New cases were also counted in cases where people got multiple tests (each positive test = 1 case, even if it was the same person). >>44042 >Nope. While taking this position may be politically and socially expedient, it means you're not speaking the full truth. This is why there are outbreaks of extremely dangerous childhood diseases in ultraorthadox religious communities. The concept of inoculation is thousands of years old. >Vaccines are pseudoscience, quackery, and old world trash that needs to go. If the prevention ratio is high enough to impart large scale resistance in comparison to the side effects, it is assumed to be functional. I bet you would say the HPV vaccine is pointless too, despite there being essentially no side effects and supporting the prevention of cervical cancer and other reproductive issues.

>>43942 Brain Science from Bench to Battlefield: The Realities – and Risks – of Neuroweapons | CGSR Seminar (full presentation) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtQbriWt64 Neuroscientist Dr James Giordano. Neuro-Weapons. Directed Energy Weapons. Brain Implants. (6 minute summary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wu89LXTmWs

>>44052 >I bet you would say the HPV vaccine is pointless too, despite there being essentially no side effects It's interesting that you chose HPV vaccine to make your point about prevention & side effects.HPV has been surrounded by controversy & many countries did ban it for side effects and HPV vaccines in India violated the human rights of a study participants with “gross violations” of consent and failed to properly report adverse events experienced by the vaccine recipients.

>>44054 I would like to add Lead Developer Of HPV Vaccines has condemned the vaccine, stating that it is neither safe nor effective. She has mentioned that the tested length of the efficacy of the vaccines in preventing HPV infection is not long enough to prevent cervical cancer, which, as she states, can take decades to develop. She has also stated that vaccination will not decrease the number of cervical cancer cases https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdCxgF0blc Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, PhD, Post-doctoral Fellow at the University of British Columbia When one looks at the independent literature, so studies which are not sponsored by the vaccine manufacturers, so with relation to Gardasil there have been several reports documenting multiple sclerosis and encephalitis, which is brain inflammation, in girls who have received their Gardasil vaccine. So just because a study sponsored by the manufacturers does not identify problems with the vaccine does not necessarily mean that the vaccine is safe. In fact if one looks at the manufacturer studies, they’re often not designed to detect serious adverse events. There was a study done by a group of researchers sponsored by Glaxo Smith and Kline and they were looking at Cervarix, which is another HPV vaccine, and the authors acknowledged that none of the studies that they evaluated have been designed to detect autoimmune diseases. So obviously, you’re not going to find what you’re not looking for. And in spite of these obvious flaws, they concluded that there is no evidence that Cervarix is associated with increased risk for autoimmune diseases, and this is absurd because you haven’t looked for it, the study has not been designed to detect autoimmune diseases.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabINgrwu9Q pediatricians don’t strongly recommend the HPV vaccine http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2016/01/02/peds.2015-2488?sso=1&sso_redirect_count=2&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3A%20No%20local%20token&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token Gardasil, like several other vaccines, contains aluminum. Health authorities will tell you that using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines is completely safe, but what they won’t tell you is that there are no safety assessments (toxicity studies) for vaccine ingredients. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0961203311430221 Indian government investigation After the deaths of seven girls involved in the trial were reported, a parliamentary investigation concluded that the Gates-funded Program for Appropriate Technology in Health (PATH), which ran the study, had been engaged in a scheme to help ensure “healthy markets” for GlaxoSmithKline and Merck, the manufacturers of the Gardasil and Cervarix vaccines that had been so generously donated for use in the trial http://164.100.47.5/newcommittee/reports/EnglishCommittees/Committee%20on%20Health%20and%20Family%20Welfare/72.pdf

>>44055 You will never be a doctor. You have no degree, you have no training, you have no lancet subscription. You are an autistic man twisted by breitbart and daily wire in to a crude mockery of a medical professional. All the "attention" you get is two faced and half hearted. Behind your back people gt vaccinated. Your followers are bored and ignore you. Your friends laugh at your idiotic beliefs behind closed doors. Employers are utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds of years of vaccination have allowed civilization to flourish. Even phlegmboys who "put on the mask" seem retarded to normal people. Your insane ranting is a dead giveaway. Even if you manage to get a retarded person to believe you he'll turn tail and get vaccinated as soon as his mum tells him to. You will never be trusted. You type out a soykaf post every day and tell yourself the world will change, but deep inside you realise that bill gates is right, ready to save the world with ready access to mRNA vaccines. Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll get a microchip, put it into your arm, and be monitored for covid19. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved you've stopped acting like a schizo. They'll tease you with the conviction with which you held your paranoid beliefs and everyone on your online friendslist for all eternity will know that you're a fuarrrking idiot. You will grow old and die and all that will remain is a post history that shows you were a deadshit. This is your fate. This is what you chose_ There is no turning back.

>>44056 Subhuman glowie scum. Nobody should feel bad for searching for the truth on their own. By the way, this by the book gaslighting is getting real old. Have fun getting phased out by AI.

>>44056 You are clamped.

who could have foreseen that a thread about coronavirus would become a hive of half-assed "research", blind faith, and soykaf flinging?!?! not me!

>>44060 nice timestamp tho. Five fives. damn

>>44056 While you're wasting time getting mad at this one wacko, there's plenty of others out there. Some don't even speak English. No point in telling one of them how dysfunctional and unfit for society they are.

Here's an anecdote of the dangers of a 'leaky' vaccine: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous All of the Covid vaccines are considered 'leaky', and what some experts are calling a danger for immune escape. I'm working on coming to my own conclusions with this following article by finding sources where not provided (and I encourage you to as well), but if this is accurate then we're about to see a fallout like never before in human history. This article is what referred me to the story above. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/operation-vaxx-all-deplorables-codename-satans-poker-2/

>>44088 Spooky but if true, doesn't that just make it in each of our self interests to get vaxxed as soon as possible? The ball's already rolling, can't stop it now. The drug companies/government are claiming it reduces transmission effectively from vaccinated people. Of course they could be lying, but I doubt we'll know for some time yet.

>>44088 Its a pretty straightforward conclusion most are already aware of. If the symptoms arent crippling people continue to spread a disease which is why low crap thrives more. stds are an example of this in humans. People going to work with flu another. >>44096 Doesnt really matter. Again look at flu. As it mutates you need a new shot every year and even then its predictive gambling because production takes time and so what happens is they try to predict which strain will arrive at our door and produce ahead of time for the 3 most likely cases the multishot. Now what happens if you cant predict this? fuarrrked.

>>44097 Well if it ends up like flu I'm not gonna worry about it. I get my flu shot every year, not sure it helps much but we haven't had a spanish flu since before there was a flu vaccine so it clearly hasn't brought about the apocolyptiflu. Maybe they can just mix them together so I only need one shot.

>>44100 > I get my flu shot every year lmao. I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe there are Lains who go in to get injected with who knows what every year. The notion is simply absurd. How did you even find this place?

>>44102 I've browsed this website since 2015 and I get flu shots when I remember to. A lot of different kinds of people browse this site.

>>44103 flu shots are poison. >Source?? Nope. Just consider why they give you 15% off your groceries for letting them inject you with a free shot. Shit is poison and causes other diseases which they profit from treating, it has nothing to do with subsidizing public health. Stop being a retard and I hope it's not too late.

>>44105 >>44105 >Just consider why they give you 15% off your groceries for letting them inject you with a free shot. What? I didn't know that. >Shit is poison well yeah so are cheetohs.

>>44106 >What? I didn't know that. Yep. Here in the Northeast US Shaws is a big one for this. I think Walmart does the same thing. Generally any supermarket with a pharmacy. >well yeah so are cheetohs. Not in the same way. There is poison and there is net poison.

>>44110 You're the one who said your source is "Nope[ it's, just my feeling]"

>>44112 Nope. No one shall have my time or energy, not one bit. I am not your slave nor savior. You can all go to hell if that's the true and natural fate which awaits, not my responsibility.

>>44113 >no one shall have my time and energy >I'm gonna keep replying though, if I don't get the last word, how will people know I'm right?

>>44114 I'm replying because of mindsets like: >>I'm gonna keep replying though, if I don't get the last word, how will people know I'm right? which tell me you're stuck in stupid mode. I'll give you some really low effort contrast in the hope that you will emerge from it, but that's it.

>>44105 >Just consider why they give you 15% off your groceries >Read the literature, research the history Hmmm. Thinking it's a conspiracy because of grocery discounts and reading "the literature" are apparently equivalent.

>>44115 I agree that vaccinations should be under extreme scrutiny, and I personally have never gotten a flu/covid vaccine and don't plan to, but you're just acting like a total retard getting angry at lain for getting vaccines and wanting evidence from you when you claim things like "Its poison!11! Look at the 15% discount on your groceries they give you!11! (Which is a huge assumption. More people vaccinated = lower cases of flu, at least, in practice. They want as many people to get the vaccine as possible, obviously.)". Stop now before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. >>44114 I wouldn't get any more vaccines if I were you. Aside from the flu vaccines having questionable effectiveness, as well as the flu being pretty much harmless, there's a lot of nasty compounds, particularly, preservatives in the vaccines that may harm you. The government administering the vaccines and corporations producing them have proven numerous times in the past they do not care about you. If complications from viruses is a big concern for you, work on optimizing your health via good sleep, exercise, nutrition, lowering stress, etc. before choosing the nuclear option (vaccines).

>>44122 I won't stop. I don't see any issue with what I'm doing either. Imagine yourself back in Rome as the guy that said by the jimminy I'm not sure that this lead acetate sweetener is so good for us, you shouldn't that. That's what I'm doing. I'm not going to run around and build some apparatus to turn him into me or build some great case he won't even engage with, but I'm also not going to sit silently or act what he's doing is normal and proper, either. If you can't deal with that, you're the fool. fuarrrk off + get rekt. Same to the other guy, the lattermost rekt status goes without saying given that he gets flu shots.

>>44122 Stop trying to talk down to the new wisest man on earth.

>>44122 I'm not too worried about the flu. I'm also not too worried about the flu shot. I'm healthy enough for my liking one way or another. The first covid shot made me sick and I'm probably just not gonna get the second one, it doesn't seem worth the hassle to me. The one vaccine that I get whenever I can is tetanus. I don't want to get tetanus and it's a very real risk. >>44123 lmao, REKT!!!

>>44125 Tetanus is not a big risk either. Unless you're getting impaled by stuff covered with animal feces and have no access to hydrogen peroxide or ethanol to flush it out with, the risk is near zero. Even so, the risk is close to zero. The civil war was fought in active pastures, and despite this, there were very few cases of tetanus recorded. You could see people who were shot or impaled probably died anyway, but there were still probably a lot of cases of minor injuries where the guy stepped in cow soykaf or whatever. It's also not about rust either. Tetanus, DTP, DTaP, whatever, totally not worth it. Be very very very wary.

>>44123 >I don't see any issue with what I'm doing either. And that's the problem. You are incapable of understanding how much of a glitterboy you are. The only way you'll stop is if you're derezzed for soykafting up the thread with >>44102 >>44105 >>44107 >>44110 >>44113 >>44115 >>44119 >>44121, or if people get tired of trying to argue with you and leave silently. You lack tact and don't understand why people don't listen to what you have to say. Its not because you "rekt" them, but rather, because you don't substantiate any of your claims and someone with even moderate intelligence knows what arguing with people like you entails. Once again, I agree that the flu and covid vaccines should be scrutinized very heavily. I gave actual reasons for this in >>44122 instead of your "read the literature, research the history". The Flu vaccine probably has at least some level of efficacy. If lain wants to take it, then let them. I don't agree with it, but at the same time, I don't know anything about their life. Perhaps the benefits outweigh the costs. This isn't 4chan where you can throw unsubstantiated claims and pseudoscience around and people will immediately believe it. You need to actually back up what you're saying. I can guarantee the effectiveness you've had at convincing lain to stop taking the Flu vaccine is exactly 0. >>44126 You know absolutely nothing about tetanus, and once again, you're making assumptions about the other person's life. It could be as simple as stepping on an old nail. Boom!, right through the shoe and into your foot. Flushing out puncture wounds with hydrogen peroxide is not a 100% effective means of neutralizing any harmful agents. Tetanus is an absolutely nasty disease that you want to stop before it becomes apparent.

>>44127 >Perhaps the benefits outweigh the costs. There is no potential for this to be the case. The whole space where you're considering a risk:benefit is a fantasy, none of it is absed on any real. It's angels. demons, and unicorns. Gibberish. That's what I'm telling you. You think you're being fair and balanced, reasonable, levelheaded, and so on, but in truth are every bit as stuck in the illusion. That's my role right now, I exist to provide contrast. Now in a much broader sense would it be effective to chameleon oneself and come to others in a familiar form, speaking in a language that they are able to understand? Sure, it may well be. Obviously there is a place for tailoring your message and framing to the particular place and time. As stated prior, that's not what I'm going to do right now though. Simple as. Get rekt, as they say. >You need to actually back up what you're saying. Need for what? >I can guarantee the effectiveness you've had at convincing lain to stop taking the Flu vaccine is exactly 0. I fully accept that. Lain's hell shall be of their own making. I am not God, Messiah, World Parent, nor even a friend or proper human being. That is not my role right now. >You know absolutely nothing about tetanus Nope Lain, you. Keep cowering in terror over those omnipresent anaerobe spores though. > Flushing out puncture wounds with hydrogen peroxide is not a 100% effective Keep pretending that ther eare no risks to vaccinationa nd rush off to get shot up every time you get a small cut, then.

Did I find the literature yet? These people have a .org domain, they must know what they're talking about. https://www.nfid.org/2017/04/19/shot-of-science-a-brief-history-of-vaccine-accomplishments/ https://www.nfid.org/immunization/10-reasons-to-get-vaccinated/ >>44127 I don't get any shots I don't have to, including flu ones. I need a covid vaccine so I can go back to campus and get my life back on track. So I'm not in a position to scrutinize

>>44127 >It could be as simple as stepping on an old nail. Boom!, right through the shoe and into your foot. Yup, this literally happened to me.

>>44136 Maybe the stabbing part, but not the tetanus part. Nor would it have without an injection.

>>44137 It *could* have, and I don't want to get tetanus. Also, you're wrong that tetanus was rare without vaccines. It is a common ailment and regularly causes death.

>>44138 No. We have historical statistical data, we have mechanistic data, we have a lot to work with. Vaccination is not free of risk. So long as the wound is properly cleaned, your odds of developing tetanus are very, very, very low. This is not me speculating, this is statistics. Your odds of contracting tetanus are extremely low. Tetanus doesn't "regularly" cause anything because it's rare in the modern urbanized world. Much of the rural landscape is no longer farmland either. It's simply not a reasonable concern. Tetanus is brutal as well, but also is not necessarily fatal.

>>44139 And for ref, you can't verify it of course, but I will say I do practice what I preach. I was in a car crash and got my head sliced open by what then was an unknown object to me. I also stepped on a rusty nail and got somewhat of a puncture. In both cases, I didn't bother to get a tetanus vaccine because for starters I don't get vaccines, but otherwise the wound was cleaned and there was no reasonable basis to assume a viable transmission vector. They act like a deep cut or puncture == guaranteed tetanus. Not so.

>>44129 >appeal to authority >we support treatments, therefore, this treatment is good! Now compare your sources arguments with what is explained and sourced here: https://archive.ph/Na570 The author of this explanation did a great job providing factual sources to back up just about every single argument presented. This isn't even like a complete repository of justification against these vaccines, yet there is far more than enough here to justify the position nonetheless. The reality where we all bury our head from the truth is far more terrifying than the one where we accept inconvenient truth.

>>44142 Black glass, dirt based soap. Tell yourself what you know. My friends, oh my friends. Bury your head, I'll help you bury your hands. Hard to hit, hard to miss. Problems are what a problem is.

>>44142 >>44143 Also, I like how they've got everyone calling it a "jab". It's really very clever. It both minimizes it, but also implies pain and thus makes it seem like a sacrifice. Like getting your son "snipped". Or your pets "fixed".

>>44142 >appeal to authority I was making fun of them for telling people to consult "the literature". There's a million articles on why these vaccines are safe and good. The literature can mean anything.

>>44100 This thread went way off the rail but you missed that while the situation for production will be equal theres a significant difference to the flu - its not spreading from vacced people. If customer-facing workers continue to act as spreaders while being unable to get sick it will amplify the process as the contaminated will remain in position instead of taking sick leave. Secondary if everyone is spreading and carrying it while being immune to its effects you have a significant increased risk of a new strain not coming from overseas but developing in a human local to you. This means zero response time. Thats what i was hinting at with what if you cant predict it.

>>44122 >there's a lot of nasty compounds, particularly, preservatives in the vaccines that may harm you Probably, but I also drink chlorinated water through lead pipes and walk on grass that has those little "this will give you cancer" flags. I doubt a little vaccine will be the thing to do me in. >>44148 >its not spreading from vacced people Neither is the 'rona according to CDC, though they are careful to put a lot of hemming and hawing around it. Only time will tell for sure.

>>44149 Im not too invested in this so i went off the other dudes post which linked it does spread. That said also remember news circulating several months ago of vacced people spreading in some elderly. Negative cases beat we did a study and had nothing happen.

>>44150 "it does spread" versus "it doesn't spread" isn't a very useful metric. How effective is it at stopping spreading? 0% is both unlikely and useless, 50% or 60% is plenty but there would still be many cases of asymptomatic transmission.

>>44145 Again, all I have to do is nothing at all for you to continue to prove my point better than I ever could be exposition. Here's what you just said, including the parts which are implicit but not stated directly: >There are tons of articles >Some of them say vaccines are great relative to some metric and methdology >Some say they're not great relative to some metric or methodology You're not a scientist apparently, so you believe in consensus and just see "oh look everyone says it's great, I'm sure any evidence to the contrary is just a one off or extremely uncommon, or whatever." In reality what happens with science is you establish certain baselines and then build on top of them. For example in vaccinology, the metric for efficacy is whether or not an antibody which appears adequate for the desired task was formed and how long it lasts. And that's basically it. This is an absolute garbage metric, but you can publish dozens of articles on top of it supposedly proving vaccines are effective. Safety is another matter, but similar games are played around inducing Th2 immunity and so on. If you have any conflict, you need to try to sort it out. Like most people however, you don't bother to factor that into your risk assessment. You prefer blind faith and just believe in what you were first taught, want to be true, whatever. This is why you will have no energy from me, it's like dealing with a mentally challenged child that just happens to have adult grammar and argumentation. Bad faith all the way.

>>44160 >so you believe I never actually stated what I believe. You're making assumptions about that. I'm pointing out why you look stupid. >similar games are played... If you have any conflict, you need to try to sort it out So maybe you should be more specific than telling people to look at "the literature" since much of "the literature" is misleading? >it's like dealing with a mentally challenged child Seeing as how you haven't picked up on what I'm conveying yet, you seem to have a learning disability.

>>44163 >So maybe you should be more specific than telling people to look at "the literature" since much of "the literature" is misleading? You're still not getting it Lain. I don't need to be doing anything I'm not already doing. My function is simply to provide contrast and instill doubt. I'm not going to make it my business to do otherwise. I say "read the literature" this prompts you to think "do I actually know anything about what I trust and believe in, have I ever read the literature?" Not unlike a Catholic who sits in the pews yet has never actually held a Bible. Reminds me of the song The Stars Are Projectors. "Everyone wants a double feature, they want to be their own damn teacher (and how?). And it's all about the moderate climates, you want to be cold and be hot for sure. And it's all about the moderate climate, you want to be blessed, and be cursed, for sure." Pretty well said I'd say, and what can ya really do.

>>44163 This one >>44143 is from "Barnacles" by the way. The realization that you could argue and communicate in song lyrics told me everything I needed to know about people's arguments and purported concerns Was there a need for creation? That was hidden in a math equation, and that's this: Where do circles begin?

>>44165 >My function is simply to provide contrast and instill doubt You have "functions"? Do you make coffee too? >do I actually know anything about what I trust and believe in I don't need to trust and believe in things to go along with them because the alternative is living outside of society. You can't read about everything and some decisions are out of your hand regardless of what you know when you live in society. I don't think anything about vaccines or have an emotional investment in them. They're not my religion. I take them because I have to. You assume I trust them because I do this, but that's not the case. I was never under the impression that I'm a virologist. So trying to "instill doubt" is even more pointless than actually informing people directly.

>>44167 >You have "functions"? Yes. So do you. >Do you make coffee too? No, if I take in any caffeine it's via yerba mate, guayusa, or occasionally guarana. Rarely green tea. >I don't need to trust and believe in things to go along with them because the alternative is living outside of society. So you're basically a domesticated animal then, and a slave to perceived rejection. You're stuck in the limbo of being too afraid to live and too afraid to die. Definitely not alone there, many ways to end up in that trap. >You can't read about everything Everything after this point is just justifications for delegation, deference, and faith. In an information poor state early childhood taught you that you should do what you're told, whereas it taught me that I should do nothing. So there's a difference in base heuristics here. You jump in the pool to gamble big, and I step away and say "fine I'm not going to play". Not really all that complex. I take my doubt and generally try to sort it out. Pretty sooin they'll be trying to lump this tendency in with "narcissism" and psychopathy, I'm sure. >So trying to "instill doubt" is even more pointless than actually informing people directly. No, I don't think that's the case. It's a level of involvement I can manage while retaining my sanity, and it does have an effect in the long game. Most people don't respond to logic, reason, or data. They're moved by emotions. So being consistently exposed to people who don't believe but also don't have any active role on them (such as rejecting or trying to convert) is powerful on its own.

>>44168 >So you're basically a domesticated animal then Humans are animals, yes. Domesticated animals tend to have better lives than wild ones. It's not perceived rejection either. Vaccines are required next semester. I don't believe there's an afterlife or that people there are rewarded for being "more free" and massively inconveniencing themselves during life.

>>44170 >Domesticated animals tend to have better lives than wild ones. Then you're arguing with yourself through me. Otherwise, you have no basis for argument about this topic. Stop being dishonest with yourself and pick a side. Either you're going to do as you're told and be happy, or you're going to avoid being vaccinated. I'm not sure why you're here discussing at all if you are as you say you are. >I don't believe there's an afterlife There are fates worse than death, with or without some eternal soul.

I wasn't following this thread or who was arguing with whom. I'm just here to say that the time to instill confidence in the vaccination programmes came and went years ago, that you all collectively blew it and that when the time comes I shall rather opt to die instead. Bill Gates will get what he wants in either case. Thanks for your time.

>>44221 Pretty based, ngl.

>>44102 I have to have the flu shot for work. It isn't the live virus, and I admit that I don't really see the point when its less than 50% effective. I always read the technical data and the vaccine statistics before getting the shot though. I still refuse the COVID shot, but on legal principle alone. >>44126 What about rabies? or measles mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine? There are plenty of vaccinations, that as has been said throughout this thread, require careful assessment to compare the protection VS the side effects. The military does this on a large scale. In fact, the fact that the anthrax vaccine is more harmful in terms f the low probability of biological warfare, showed that more troops were getting injured from the vaccine than super-weapons grade anthrax. As a result, it was pretty much discontinued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax_Vaccine_Immunization_Program >>44136 Did you get the lockjaw?

man i got the AZ vaccine and im fine aside from like a day of feeling pretty soykafty

>>44626 I didn't get tetanus, but it did poke a little hole in my foot and I had to limp for a few days. I also got the covid vaccine(s). Probably gonna just burn my vaccination card now. I never much cared for all this "discourse" on vaccines. I don't feel safer for getting a vaccine, I felt perfectly safe before, and I don't like people who chimp out either for or against vaccination. Like geez take a chill pill.

We had two more men in my country (Aus) do just that yesterday (die from the astrozeneca vaccine)

>>44626 >I always read the technical data and the vaccine statistics before getting the shot though. The stats are all junk. Junk pseudoscience. >As a result, it was pretty much discontinued. Not before tons of vets died of cancer.

https://abc7ny.com/covid-vaccine-menstrual-cycle-clinical-trials-and-side-effects-women/10559703/ >Women reporting numerous side effects relating to menstruation after receiving coronavirus vaccine. >Women have reported a total lack of period for weeks after receiving the vaccine despite not being pregnant and below menopause age, Along with irregularly heavy or painful periods or excessive amounts of bleeding, strange discharge and passing pieces of tissue during periods

>>44640 In the future it may be difficult for non-sterile people to find each other.

>>44632 >Not before tons of vets died of cancer. Plz be more specific lain, I got the anthrax shot a long time ago, should I be concerned? >>44642 We children of men now

>>44642 phew, looks like I won't have to get that vasectomy after all

I think I'll pass on the science juice

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf >RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease >Development of new vaccine technology has been plagued with problems in the past. The current RNA based SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were approved in the US using an emergency order without extensive long term safety testing. In this paper the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine was evaluated for the potential to induce prion-based disease in vaccine recipients. The RNA sequence of the vaccine as well as the spike protein target interaction were analyzed for the potential to convert intracellular RNA binding proteins TAR DNA binding protein (TDP-43) and Fused in Sarcoma (FUS) into their pathologic prion conformations. The results indicate that the vaccine RNA has specific sequences that may induce TDP-43 and FUS to fold into their pathologic prion confirmations. In the current analysis a total of sixteen UG tandem repeats (ΨGΨG) were identified and additional UG (ΨG) rich sequences were identified. Two GGΨA sequences were found. Potential G Quadruplex sequences are possibly present but a more sophisticated computer program is needed to verify these. Furthermore, the spike protein, created by the translation of the vaccine RNA, binds angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), a zinc containing enzyme. This interaction has the potential to increase intracellular zinc. Zinc ions have been shown to cause the transformation of TDP-43 to its pathologic prion configuration. The folding of TDP-43 and FUS into their pathologic prion confirmations is known to cause ALS, front temporal lobar degeneration, Alzheimer’s disease and other neurological degenerative diseases. The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit.

Honestly the single event that made me turn into a bit of an Anti-Vaxxer / Anti-Mandatory vax type was when my cousins primary school with no warning to the parents took every kid to the gym and made all of them boys and girls take HPV vaccines (This is at the age of 12-13). Like WHY ON THE fuarrrkING EARTH NEED THAT BE A NECCESITY?

>>44666 It would be necessary because it causes neurological issue and reduces fertility, in addition to whatever else they're setting up. medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro--and-nanocontamination.html

The way the vaccine is being pushed onto children and pregnant people has really been weighing on me lately, evidence for the questionable use on these groups keep popping up, like for example https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983. Compare some of those numbers to the official CDC numbers or other statistics and it doesn't paint a good picture. It's too sickening, I wonder how long this can keep going on. I don't even care about the vaccine anymore, I will simply refuse to take it and defend the right to medical privacy and bodily autonomy until my death thralls.

Karl Marx predicting the lockdowns, poison vaccines etc: "The human body is mortal by nature. Hence illnesses are inevitable. Why does a man only go to the doctor when he is ill, and not when he is well? Because not only the illness, but even the doctor is an evil. Under constant medical tutelage, life would be regarded as an evil and the human body as an object for treatment by medical institutions. Is not death more desirable than life that is a mere preventive measure against death? Does not life involve also free movement? What is any illness except life that is hampered in its freedom? A perpetual physician would be an illness in which one would not even have the prospect of dying, but only of living. Let life die; death must not live. Has not the spirit more right than the body? Of course, this right has often been interpreted to mean that for minds capable of free motion physical freedom of movement is even harmful and therefore they are to be deprived of it. The starting point of the censorship is that illness is the normal state, or that the normal state, freedom, is to be regarded as an illness. The censorship continually assures the press that it, the press, is ill; and even if the latter furnishes the best proofs of its bodily health, it has to allow itself to be treated. But the censorship is not even a learned physician who applies different internal remedies according to the illness. It is a country surgeon who knows only a single mechanical panacea for everything, the scissors. It is not even a surgeon who aims at restoring my health, it is a surgical aesthete who considers superfluous everything about my body that displeases him, and removes whatever he finds repugnant; it is a quack who drives back a rash so that it is not seen, without caring in the least whether it then affects more sensitive internal parts." "You think it wrong to put birds in cages. Is not the cage a preventive measure against birds of prey, bullets and storms? You think it barbaric to blind nightingales, but it does not seem to you meaningless at all barbaric to put out the eyes of the press with the sharp pens of the censorship. You regard it as despotic to cut a free person's hair against his will, but the censorship daily cuts into the flesh of thinking people and allows only bodies without hearts, submissive bodies which show no reaction, to pass as healthy!" https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1842/free-press/ch04.htm

>>44669 Given the number of adverse effects that have been reported for the COVID vaccines, including many deaths, it's insane that young people (who are extremely unlikely to die of COVID) are being encouraged to take them. As well, the most vulnerable population to COVID is the elderly. If we had a safe, effective COVID vaccine, they should be the first to receive it. But the elderly have weaker immune systems in general, so these dangerous, experimental vaccines are also more likely to kill the elderly. I highly doubt the supposed year of """immunity""" the vaccines give is worth the risk. So if these vaccines actually work at all and have a death rate that is a bit lower than actual COVID (we have no idea whether or not this is the case), who even benefits from taking them? Middle-aged people?

>https://youtu.be/watch?v=VfjtbeLMHwE >then finally we have this opportunity to go back to normal fuarrrk I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO fuarrrkING NORMAL >I want to literally forcibly vaccinate these motherfuckers in their sleep >I do not give a fuarrrk about american values, I do not give a fuarrrk about your dumbass concerns, you are a fuarrrking delusional moronic psychopath and you are hurting other people, you are preventing us from finally moving on said this guy around the 10 minute mark. How did we get to this point lains? I get it, social media, political divisiveness of our times blah blah, but come on, this is just so ironic, calling others delusional moronic psychopaths and screaming how he just wants to go back to normal all while for some reason accepting as axiomatic that our freedoms are bust until we defeat the pandemic. I don't even want to argue about any particular facts of the pandemic, even if the situation was 2x as grave as the most pessimistic people out there are projecting, we just shouldn't give up the right to say no. I know it's all supposed to be temporary, but this is just the worst slippery slope. People were saying we're never going back to normal many months ago, and by now instead of laughing about it I can only tremble. The way so many people are trying to force the issue just isn't normal. Why can we not try to be nice to each other without constantly feeling offended when people on both sides are getting played the same. fuarrrk dude, I just cannot stand this anymore.

>>44671 >So if these vaccines actually work at all and have a death rate that is a bit lower than actual COVID (we have no idea whether or not this is the case) I've done some sketchy data analysis before based on VAERS reports. Coronavirus vaccines are much more deadly than flu vaccines and much less deadly than coronavirus symptoms, as far as I can tell. >>44669 when I got it the questionnaire said that pregnant people shouldn't get the vaccine. >>44673 I hate to be a broken record but I think it's literally social media making people crazy and retarded. Ever seen those videos of people who film themselves walking in to grocery stores without masks en masse like it's some kind of "statement"? Same soykaf. People so high on their own farts they have lost the ability to critically evaluate their own thoughts. >>44670 Marx lived in a time when Tuberculosis killed a tenth of the population of Europe. With the antibiotic-resistant ones we might be seeing a big comeback soon.

>>44674 >when I got it the questionnaire said that pregnant people shouldn't get the vaccine. This might be so, but some places are starting to change the doctrine, as far as I know the CDC itself has started pushing this idea. Where I live this is happening as well. >People so high on their own farts they have lost the ability to critically evaluate their own thoughts. Wow, beautifully put. I wonder what can be done.

>>44674 >I've done some sketchy data analysis before based on VAERS reports. Coronavirus vaccines are much more deadly than flu vaccines and much less deadly than coronavirus symptoms, as far as I can tell. What kind of napkin math were you doing? To get a rough idea of the experimental vaccine death rate, we'd have to take into account the severe underreporting in VAERS (less than 1% of averse effects are reported https://rickjaffeesq.com/2021/02/19/what-the-heck-is-the-harvard-pilgrim-study-and-did-it-really-say-that-about-the-underreporting-of-vaccine-adverse-events/) and also keep in mind the extra suppression of info that goes against the covid vaccines. To compare to the COVID death rate, we'd also need to somehow sort through all the fuarrrked up reporting of cases of that disease. In the USA (as opposed to China), to count as a COVID case, you only have to have a positive PCR test and don't need symptoms. If you die while you have COVID, you are counted as a COVID death whether or not the prevailing cause of death was some other disease or pre-existing condition. On the other hand, many vaccine deaths and averse effects are being attributed solely to pre-existing conditions.

>>44674 >when I got it the questionnaire said that pregnant people shouldn't get the vaccine. Yet... https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/wondering-about-covid-19-vaccines-if-youre-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-2021010721722 >The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), and the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) agree that the COVID-19 vaccines should be offered to pregnant individuals who are eligible for vaccination.

>>44674 >Coronavirus vaccines are much more deadly than flu vaccines and much less deadly than coronavirus symptoms, as far as I can tell. Like per capita, or total? Assuming the latter, because a lot more people are going to get the vaccine than the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cndv7JUJrS8

>>44681 >Like per capita, or total? Assuming the latter, because a lot more people are going to get the vaccine than the virus. Per capita and also total, so far.

>>44677 >What kind of napkin math were you doing? I take the data that I can see. >we'd have to take into account the severe underreporting in VAERS (less than 1% of averse effects are reported *less than 1% of adverse effects were reported years ago. With so many people convinced that the vaccines are literally going to kill them, as well as the observed fact that different vaccine companies try to slander each other by exaggerating news stories about vaccine deaths, it is reasonable to expect that the report rate would go up. >and also keep in mind the extra suppression of info that goes against the covid vaccines. And also the extra scrutiny they receive from the public. >If you die while you have COVID, you are counted as a COVID death whether or not the prevailing cause of death was some other disease or pre-existing condition. Source? >On the other hand, many vaccine deaths and averse effects are being attributed solely to pre-existing conditions. VAERS doesn't qualify if the adverse effect was actually due to the vaccine, just a doctor has to suspect it.

>>44699 >With so many people convinced that the vaccines are literally going to kill them, as well as the observed fact that different vaccine companies try to slander each other by exaggerating news stories about vaccine deaths, it is reasonable to expect that the report rate would go up. True. >Source? "Last April, Deborah Birx, MD, coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said this when asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” "That statement, combined with some state health officials saying they follow the same policy, sparked charges that the COVID-19 totals were inflated by deaths from other diseases and even auto accidents if the victims happened to have COVID-19. Federal and state governments gradually altered such policies over the spring and summer to say that in order for a death to be counted as a COVID-19 death, the disease had to have played a role." https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated >just a doctor has to suspect it. Many doctors are politically motivated to not report.

>>44710 >"Last April, Deborah Birx, MD, coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, said this when asked about people who have COVID-19 but die from preexisting conditions: “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” If youre drowning and i shoot you in the face, you died from gunshot. The preexisting condition of actively drowning probably contritubed to your death, but it wasnt the cause. The "but he wouldve died anyway" argument isnt going to holdup in any court. >Many doctors are politically motivated to not report. It may shock you to find out that there are other countries in the world, and they also have doctors, and they have different politics than that of your country, yet they all seem to reach the same conclusion, this is what we call "consensus". The quality and accuracy of a consensus depends on many factors, but with a sample size of "every relevant institution, from every country, even those with wildly different ideologies and strategic interests" im confident that "doctors political bullshit" doesnt have a significant impact on much of anything and that this particular consensus is pretty accurate. See also: global warming

>>44715 Learn to make correct comparisons. Preexisting conditions affect the outcome of covid. Drowning doesn't affect whether a gun kills. They are lying about covids lethality when they omit everyone dead was close to dead already because they imply it affects healthy people too when they omit this which clearly isnt the case.

>>44715 >If youre drowning and i shoot you in the face, you died from gunshot. The preexisting condition of actively drowning probably contritubed to your death, but it wasnt the cause. The "but he wouldve died anyway" argument isnt going to holdup in any court. This has nothing to do with the old death counting policy. The old policy was that if you died while you had COVID AT ALL you were counted as a COVID death. You could have mild COVID and get in a car crash, and still be a COVID death.

>>44723 >You could have mild COVID and get in a car crash, and still be a COVID death. Im gonna need a citation on that because im pretty sure thats either inaccurate or untrue. If you get into a car crash with covid, spend a week in intensive care while the disease progresses, and you die, what killed you? There are people who study for decades to answer that question accurately and i tend to trust those people >>44718 >Learn to make correct comparisons. >A person who is drowning has the same exact chance of surviving a gunshot than someone who isnt Sure whatever. Imagine i choke you dead, and you have asthma. One of those factor is more relevant than the other. >muh valid comparison >They are lying about covids lethality when they omit everyone dead was close to dead already because they imply it affects healthy people too when they omit this which clearly isnt the case. Who's (((((((((THEY))))? Are they lying or do people just have difficulty understanding the methodology? Its not like those factors arent being accounted for. > Preexisting conditions affect the outcome of covid Glad we agree on that, so is your position that covid isnt a deadly disease(most of the time) but merely a deadly force-multiplier for anything that can be considered a pre-existing condition.

>>44767 >who is they? Every media outlet omits that their covid deads are almost all living corpses who just got the final push through covid. The best statistic underlining this is average age of covid deads matches average life expectancy closely. They are fearmongering everyone should be afraid when anyone healthy has no reason to panic. We lived fine with much deadlier diseases which still don't even have vaccination available but now everyone is going crazy over this on account of media fearmongering supporting collective financial suicide.

ive just shared some dumb funni image about vaccination with frens and got, yeah except countries with high vaccination rates have drastically reduced infections, reply, do people truly believe that any of this matters or anything is in fact a fact? do people unironically believe any kind of information in modern age especially considering this since start too shaded topic or is it simply a way to cope and what is next saying yeah we vaccinated people saved humanity actually yeah never mind japan korea some norther countries quite a bunch of countries all around did not even report out of ordinary problems is everyone a retard

>>45567 Post-truth. It's all politics, tribes, and religion to them. Like offering your child up to Molech and teeheeing with your buds >not having a good harvest teehee smugface,jpeg

>>44767 >what killed you? There are people who study for decades to answer that question accurately and i tend to trust those people It's politics not incompetence. If hospitals get more funding for more covid cases then of course they're going to inflate the numbers where they can. >Who's (((((((((THEY))))? The media. The more people's attention they can grab then the more ads they can sell. And scary thing gets more attention than less scary thing. That's why everything the media reports on is always the end of the world. (Unless there is an overriding political order from above to downplay something e.g. vaccine deaths).

In Mexico we have more deads than the stadistics claim but now we're having less i don't know why, maybe everyone gets infected and the old and sick people die. The vaccination is being very slow and poorly organized in my opinion and many people don't want to get vaccinated because they are assholes.

>>45630 >In Mexico we have more deaths than the statistics claim >vaccination is being very slow and poorly organized in my opinion >many people don't want to get vaccinated because they are assholes Sounds like the media you consume is funded by the vaccine companies.

>>45630 >not doing what i want? assholes r3333 your fellow mexicans decision might be smart considering your countries well known lawlessness. Mexico is a place where i can see them sell fake vacc for easy money. We got even a small incident here in supposedly well regulated germany and it only got out cause the nurse confessed herself. Though here it wasn't malicious, she accidentally dropped the container and decided to replace it with salt water to hide her mistake. Then got a bad conscience and confessed later. A thought to consider is however how often similar things happen where people don't confess. We have no verification procedures whether what we get is real vacc or not so we have no idea about the frequency of such mistakes.

>>45623 >The media. The more people's attention they can grab then the more ads they can sell. Not quite the whole picture. They can print money out of thin air and defer ever balancing it out for ages, money is just a means to an endm not something you collect for the sake of it and these people, much less something you collect just to live your life. No, the media is to brainwash people and push your other agendas which will also enrich you. You're suffering from false reductionism, acting as though one organ in the body has nothing to do with the others. If they need to take a few hits or even dump a particular outlet for the long game, they will. The media is owned mostly by Jews, by the way. Ashkenazi Jews that is.

>>45634 >They can print money out of thin air and defer ever balancing it out for ages Newspaper companies don't print money. Imagine being this ignorant on how the monitory system works. >The media is owned mostly by Jews, by the way. Actually it's mostly owned by men. You're a man. So obviously you're part of it and nobody should trust anything you say. Nice try but your male tricks don't work on me.

>>45636 >Newspaper companies don't print money. Central bankers print money. >Actually it's mostly owned by men. You're a man. So obviously you're part of it and nobody should trust anything you say. Nice try but your male tricks don't work on me. Imagine being this ignorant of the psychosocial engineering marvel that is Judaism. Imagining making sweeping comparisons about stuff you know nothing about. >Just like you, you don't know every single Jew! Again, you have to look at their theology and how they grow up. Other than conflicts like Bolshevism vs Zionism, splinters like Sabbateans, they've mastered tribal loyalty.

>>45634 >>45636 I dont know whats going in your place put public media is funded by taxes here, you cant say no so they can soykaf in your mouth while you are forced to pay for it. Quality or clickbait literally doesn't matter. What they care about is politics not cutting budget thats why they never talk soykaf about ruling party.

>>45638 Yes, funded by taxes, and then that tax money is used and executed by whom?

>>45637 >Central bankers print money. I suppose they have little rollers and they spin the handle and dollar bills just fly out the window onto the street. And the newspaper companies are clever and put their building next to the central bank so everyday they pick the money off the street. Therefor the newspapers have infinite money and don't need to run a competitive business? That makes sense.

>>45639 Point is you don't need to argue about printing money cause its unnecessary. New money is always printed and it looks like we are going into hyperinflation soon but it doesn't matter here.

>>45640 It's mostly done by credit and effective speculation via insider trading. Again, your attitude is that businesses seek to simply maximize profits and guarantee their survival by any means possible. This is false reductionism and kind of stupid. See eg investment firms buying up competition and then just draining and dumping.

>>45641 >New money just like, gets printed man Yeah, no.

>>45643 > he doesnt know the majority of all usd got printed in the last 2 years. Its simply numbers in the database so they increase them however they want. Fed is printing like crazy and regulations were actually changed to enable this while you were distracted with covid.

>>45643 imagine being as delusional as you are lel check https://warosu.org/biz/thread/24027453

>>45644 No, I know. >while you were distracted Nope. The fed was generating ~60 billion per week for several months before covid even began.

>>45645 What I'm calling out was >lol like money is always getting printed bro whatevs like it's some random process.

>>45647 literally is and they have no idea what they are doing and well they do not care as the whole so called economy is scam and non existent

>>45646 It got worse though, right at the start new legislation was passed to open the dam further. I read it back then when it was announced. New law allowed them to funnel it directly into the balckrock hedge and the hedge lets it rain on their fellow boys.

>>45648 It probably looks random to you because you have incorrect assumptions, like the desire for the population you're printing for to be happy and prosperous. Central banks are GLOBALIZED institutions, they don't give a fuarrrk about you beyond your place in the greater puzzle. >>45649 Neo-Bolshevism. Nothing new here. Hence all this soykaf going on in Israel and the media not covering for them. Zionists and Bolsheviks (globalists) still in conflict.

>>45642 >It's mostly done by credit and effective speculation via insider trading. Ok I think I get it now. So the central banks do credit and speculation and that means the newspapers get free money somehow because they have the same religion or something and therefor the market forces operating on the newspaper business can be safely ignored. That makes sense.

>>45650 what are you talking about stupid mutt nigger it is literal fact stated by banking heads and analysts themselves you utter mongol nigger literally for every $20 of credit created in the banking sector $1 found its way into the real economy are you going to tell me that does not equal to not having idea what you are doing and simply not caring about it as always it will be over the back of same who falls for your fictional story called economy stop being a nigger thanks

>>45650 >Neo-Bolshevism. Nothing new here. Hence all this soykaf going on in Israel and the media not covering for them. Zionists and Bolsheviks (globalists) still in conflict. How can they be in conflict if one side controls all the spinning money rollers? You said it was a global hivemind.

>>45652 There are no market forces, they're all owned by the same few people and they all have to play the same game. They all see to it that the population remains hooked and hypnotized, groveling to any outlet with the big scoop or something they trust for whatever misplaced reason. Actually read what I am saying to you. You are talking as though one regions of the brain cares not for the other. You are acting as though the liver and adrenal glands are not connected. It is is all part of one great body. >>45653 fuarrrk off "nigger". I just told you, they don't give a fuarrrk about you. What do you not understand? >>45654 There are laws given by God and the sages governing how they must interact. There are two types of crime for a Jew, a criome against heaven (to be judged by God) and a crime against Earth (to be judged in a court of Man). Many crimes are arguably against heaven but non-punishable, certain crimes however are mitzvah, ie, religious obligation to respond.

>>45655 lol @ nazis trying to rationalize how come the jews at the new york times are opening fighting with the jews in israel when all jews are supposed to be telepathically linked and always working towards the good of the "race" >Actually read what I am saying to you. You are talking as though one regions of the brain cares not for the other. You are acting as though the liver and adrenal glands are not connected. It is is all part of one great body. Yeah I know. If it turns out that jews are actually not a hivemind of telepathic lizardmen all part of "one great body" then literally nothing you are saying makes any sense at all. I know.

>>45656 You sound like a Jew, even worse, probably an Israeli. Fortunately in me it's diluted enough that I'm not enslaved by the bizarre need to never quite get the point, when it doesn't suit me. You act like breaking my case (which you haven't) automatically makes your own (which has not been defined nor has any mechanism been put forward). This is to throw off your opponent and confuse an audience. Nice one (not). Also, Nazism was modeled pretty closely after Zionism. The two are actually pretty identical. Just saying!

>>45631 Sounds like you didn't know the situation

>>45658 >Also, Nazism was modeled pretty closely after Zionism. The two are actually pretty identical. Just saying! Interesting. So you're actually an Arab/Persian shlll? >You act like breaking my case (which you haven't) You didn't answer anything though. * you think that "jews" own all media * and israel is obviously run by "jews" * and all "jews" are part of the same "great body" * so how come the "jewish" media is currently condemning israel? You also didn't answer how the central banks "printing" money somehow means that media companies are immune to market forces. "Because jews" is not really an answer you know.

>>45660 Going down your list. >* you think that "jews" own all media Jews own or otherwise control the majority of the media, at least in the US. what cannot be controlled directly can be controlled indirectly, for example by using what you do control to brainwash and inflame the population, which either puts pressure on the others, or triggers their opportunistic sense. >* and israel is obviously run by "jews" That's debateable, depending on how we define "Jew". Israel definitely displays that it bases its policy on the Talmud and so on though, and it has adopted the mythos (eg "Samson option"). >* and all "jews" are part of the same "great body" This is you being a Jewish stereotype again let's go back to what I actually said. >>45637 >>Just like you, you don't know every single Jew! >Again, you have to look at their theology and how they grow up. Other than conflicts like Bolshevism vs Zionism, splinters like Sabbateans, they've mastered tribal loyalty. I said Jews have mastered tribal loyalty, ie, they have intragroup preference and loyalty enhanced far above other groups. Add in stuff like you must loan to guy at interest but all loans to Jews should be interest free. Only Jews (of adam) are human, guy are beasts in human form, the guys were therefore created by Ha Shem to toils and serve the Jews. If a guy falls into a well, you should not save him, but nor should he be pushed in by your hand. If a guy falls into a chasm it is acceptable to kill him indirectly, as in by removing a ladder. You should not desecrate the sabbath to help a guy under any circumstance, unless it would bring considerable hostility onto the Jews. You are disallowed from taking part in popular guys rejoicements or celebrations, a minimal display of joy however is allowable if to do otherwise would reflect poorly on the Jews. All guy women are inherently dirty (nidda) prostitutes, matrimony means nothing to them. You should not rent or sell property to a guy. To eat with a guy is to get on the ground and eat with a dog. If you find a possession lost by a Goy, you should not return it, unless doing so would cause the guys to look upon the Jews as honorable. You are forbidden from giving gifts to guy unless doing so will guarantee a greater return. Goy cannot have property, it's simply a matter of which Jew gains control of it first. If two Jews have both trapped a guy, they must split the profit. There are several laws regarding treatment of guy when Jews are powerful, vs when they are not. And so on. You have a population where this sort of narcissism and nepotism is inculcated from birth, then they're running everything.... unfortunately, you must give that population somewhat of a more custom concern. Judaism at the end of it is not designed to last, it is predicated on perpetual war until everything is either dead or Jewish. It is a totalitarian idealogy. And like I said, it's a psychosocial and organizational engineering marvel, if anything could "win the game" of Earth, it woul;d probably be the Jews. Nonetheless, you're a bleeding heart fool, assuming everyone is like you deep down.

>>45660 Forgot to respond to the rest. >* so how come the "jewish" media is currently condemning israel? Just comes down to which sect is dominant. Could be any number of things. Look up tikkun olam for example. >You also didn't answer how the central banks "printing" money somehow means that media companies are immune to market forces. I just told you, there are no market forces. When places become sufficiently organized they are as one great body. Money printers ensure liquidity and power in the areas necessary, the media apparatus keeps people asleep and mutually assures their own profits as people continue to rely on them. Money is used in several areas to protect several parts of the body.... just like... wait for it... wait for it... Just like your brain and nervous system! Wow. As above, so below.

>>45662 >Jews own or otherwise control the majority of the media, at least in the US. what cannot be controlled directly can be controlled indirectly, That's good. So if I show you a media company not owned by Jews then they still own it indirectly. Nice unfalisfiable claim. >That's debateable, depending on how we define "Jew". Also good. If Israel are not real Jews then it's ok for real Jews to disown them. No true scotsman, good. > let's go back to what I actually said. What you actually said was >>45656 >It is is all part of one great body. Don't pretend you didn't say it. Either defend it or take it back. >>45664 >Just comes down to which sect is dominant. So they own everything except each other? Sure. >I just told you, there are no market forces. >Money printers ensure liquidity and power in the areas necessary The details are the problem. How do they "print" the money? And how does it magically end up in the hands of the media companies? And how come media companies that don't toe the party line still survive? Lets see how well your Persian masters have trained you.

>>45676 >That's good. So if I show you a media company not owned by Jews then they still own it indirectly. Nice unfalisfiable claim. They still may control it indirectly. Yes, that's how social ecologies, power structures, and competition works. I'm sorry you can't help but think in black and white and want everyone to be a free agent. >Also good. If Israel are not real Jews then it's ok for real Jews to disown them. No true scotsman, good. It's not about degree of "real" and fake/distorted (although what I have in my mind when I say that is genetics as Israel is largely Ashkenazi), it is about sect and to an extent, completion doctrine. Like I told you, look up tikkun olam, in the talmud it says when the messiah comes all Jews will have 2800 g0y slaves, etc. Not built to last, thus, an endgame. >Don't pretend you didn't say it. Either defend it or take it back. Yes, Jews are all as one great body, but that body need not strictly agree. Only Jews are human afterall, g0yim are cattle. >So they own everything except each other? Sure. Yes. It is among the 3 greatest crimes (the others being idolatry and adultery) for a Jew to kill another Jew (or a g0y to kill a Jew), even indirectly. >How do they "print" the money? The fed generates new currency and inserts it wherever they feel like. Sometimes that's to large lenders (fractional reserve banking) sometimes it's poured directly into hedges and the stock market. >And how does it magically end up in the hands of the media companies? How does lending your friend money help him start his business, or pay his bills? How does recommending your friend's business help him? How does hurting his competition help him? >And how come media companies that don't toe the party line still survive? Control is not yet absolute, but it's coming.

>>43337 ITT: Pic related.

>>45567 >japan korea some norther countries quite a bunch of countries all around did not even report out of ordinary problems Huh? Korea had a lockdown enforced by the military and Japan had one of the strictest worldwide. I watched a Japanese movie that was produced 100% over video chat.

>>45681 Lainchan is soykaf, and it is because, you, are a nigger.

>>45726 Terry Davis? Is that you?

>>45677 >>45676 ....How is this related to the vaccine at all?

>>45737 How are Jews and their many different varieties of totalitarian bullshit not related to the vaccine?

>>45650 >Neo-Bolshevism. I dont think that the Bolsheviks main policy was giving bailouts to global banks. "Bank bailouts are communism" just sounds like a massive cope.

>>45741 >Rapid social and economic reorganization alongside massive hyperinflation ending with a collapse of traditional currencies and a transition to UBI or some other globalized currency is not in line with Bolshevik ends Cringe Cope C\/cked Seethe Dilate Bluepilled [insert word of the month here]

>>45739 >>45742 *sigh* Where did this thread go so wrong?

>>45743 Given that I've made the last 2 continuations of the original thread, I guess you can thank me for both its existence and decay. How's that for pottery?

>>45742 Im not sure what you mean. the USSR never had a UBI or a "Globalised currency" (Which wtf does that even mean would all global exchange rates just be set to 1=1?) And a "globalised currency" would not necessarily reflect any sort of "Bolshevik ends" because the continuation of currency and a private banking system (Outlawed within the USSR) Implies that a capitalist mode of societal and economic organisation still exists.

>>45745 >The USSR never The USSR was a proof of concept, the technology was not yet developed to the point of supporting that kind and degree of organization. Hence NEO-Bolshevik. >(Which wtf does that even mean would all global exchange rates just be set to 1=1?) It mkeans you would use telework to maximize mobility of labor while tracking and restricting all movement. >because the continuation of currency and a private banking system Would fade away, need not exist at as such or at all. See the stuff about two tiered society above. You're doing that same thing everyone else does, and I have to explain why it's bad reasoning. You're investing all of your energy into trying to break my case (never doing so conclusively) and investing near zero energy into employing a shred of creativity required to make it work. You just want to fight with me when really I am not even there and have nothing to do with anything.

>>45744 Please just end it, this is awful.

>>45747 I'm okay with it.

I think the vaccine is a trap. In countries that are disorganized and have an issue with logistics, you're less likely to get your "second shot" or you may even get a different "second shot" It's probably intentional, or just an accident but if you're taking the needle, I suggest you go for the first and only shot especially ones that do not require to be put into special storage since there's a logistic clusterfuck out there intentional or not may do you harm than more good..

>>45742 Bolsheviks weren't super in to the idea of the world being run by corporations for profit, bud.

>>45746 >You're investing all of your energy into trying to break my case (never doing so conclusively) and investing near zero energy into employing a shred of creativity required to make it work. You realize people do that because you talk nonsense right? Your case is soykaf and no amount of "creativity" will change that.

>>45776 >A corporate syndicate or cabal and government are different *sigh* >>45777 You have no case. Improve.