Cyberpunk makes me sad now.

Cyberpunk is a genre of media. People like to consume media that they find to be fun or cool. So much of cyberpunk is very fun and very cool. But the cyberpunk genre also has the underlying warning of growing technology being a vector of growing authoritarianism in both the public and private sectors, slowing draining away personal autonomy more and more, etc etc. The warning that cyberpunk is has been discussed to death, but once you realize the warning can you still enjoy cyberpunk? I can only enjoy cyberpunk if I purposefully turn off all my critical thinking for the duration of whatever I'm watching. If I actually watch it with my whole brain turned on, then I actually think about what all the real world implications of whatever ever tech is being described in the show and I start to feel awful. I'm a few decades old now and I've seen so many cyberpunk fantasies become real in either the form of government policy or in the form of things you can buy and have shipped to your door via Amazon Prime. So what the fuarrrk do I do? I can't even think about cyberpunk anymore without thinking about trying to start some anti-tech movement where everyone in the world destroys all computer that aren't Stallman-Approved Libreboot running computers while murdering any scientist that tries to work on AI stuff.

Same, im watching the worst of the worst cyberpunk dystopia unfold right before me. People were warned so many times, yet instead of resisting this they not only just let it happen, but support it and even force it on others. Its like people are in this technohypnosis where they surrender all indivduality(including all rights) and change it for some sort of super collectivism just so they dont have to hear their own thoughts. Its worse than just depressing and frightening, i used to live for this now im just sick and tired of everything.

>>41815 wait until you've read brave new world, my friend :-( but seriously: things are only as bad as we allow them to be, most people are kind and compassionate if you give them a way to be so. Hate and apathy only flourish when we can view our fellow man as an "other" and technology doesn't make that easier or harder.

>>41820 it feels like people are congealing into masses of similar opinions of which they all sound like the same being either calling you a fascist or telling you to dilate

>>41822 I've already read Brave New World. I thought it was a great book but I don't really see how it relates to my post.

Cyberpunk is fuarrrking lame. as a member of the new generation i see nothing good in it. its been boiled down to an aesthetic that stands for nothing but itself like steampunk even the classics of the genre just disgust me. seeing people older than me romanticize and buy cyberpunk products disgusts me fuarrrk stallman fuarrrk foss fuarrrk closed source fuarrrk cyberpunk

I see what you see--but it inflames my desire to be a hero, a hacker, and release the wired from its chains. I love cyberpunk.

>>42465 You didn't like snow crash?

>>42470 hi, different lain. Snow crash felt pretty boring to me. Neuromancer too. I usually like Neal Stephenson books though. I once read a compilation of short stories that was just entitled "Cyberpunk", I forget the author, I liked it a lot more. Also The Windup Girl and the OG Blade Runner. Cyberpunk is about societal decay, unfortunately it's very stylized and has been commercialized. I just hope we never get a fuarrrking Netflix adaptation of SEL or something horrible like that

>>42470 cyberpunk just feels moot and lame. it doesnt stand the test of time

>>42465 >fu­ck foss why even hate free digital stuff? lainchan is foss

>>42479 you don't get it

>>42470 Thanks for reminding me of a fantastic book I should re-read at some point

>>42480 Please kill yourself.

>>43376 Fix your attitude. The movement failed to make free license aftermarket capital like PocketCHIP.

>>43427 People are best motivated by money to meets others' demands. FOSS makes getting money from your software more difficult. The often touted solution is to sell a service rather than software. People who create things like software, music, art, etc. want passive income though. Something that makes their initial efforts feel worthwhile. Providing a service for money is the opposite of passive-income. Passive income is what elevates people from the status of work horse slaves. So in the end, developers are less motivated to provide people with what they want, and the model created to free people is the one that pleases them the least.

>>43428 your post made me realize bezos is the richest guy alive because he's the first to operate on a 'goods as a service' model.

I recently felt this way. Just before COVID hit, I questioned, while I (and we all do) idealize the Cyb world/environment/atmosphere, would we really want to live in it? I realized, not only did I not want to live in it, we're actually sooner approaching it than we all think.

>>43428 people are best motivated but things that meet their own needs. FOSS works when you design it for yourself. This works well because it actually targets real demands instead of having a suit follow some focus group. Youre right that funding is an issue and any creator would benefit imennse from passive income but the whole ip model screws the goal entirely because money takes over and profit driven design creates thrash as quality is sadly not what sells best.

>>43456 >FOSS works when you design it for yourself. Learning to program isn't a trivial exercise. Even learning to use a terminal isn't trivial. And people who do other things wont have the time or desire to learn how to do those if they can avoid it. Doctors, dentists, construction workers, bankers, etc. all rely on software. Who's going to give it to them? Hobbyists? People who have no interests in those fields and little incentive(personal gain, passive income) to make it functional, reliable and intuitive to use? >quality is sadly not what sells best Have you ever considered that the way you measure quality is skewed? If somebody makes something people hate using, they would rather buy something they like using more. Why they like or dislike it is more complex than arbitrary parameters, like how bloated it is or whatever, that don't mean anything to them.

>>43457 Factually marketing > quality. Thats proven by budget allocation. Brands sells themself on image also. Its why you can buy cheap offbrand at higher quality for a fraction of the price. Programming isnt trivial maybe but its not an issue either. If you arent smart and dedicated enough you simply dont belong in a foss project because you would only worsen it otherwise. The groups you mention do rely on projects created without having them in mind. They pay of course for the service of turning foss projects into something usable for them and some fund the projects directly for further development. If you however want a specific task and dont intend to learn coding you dont need foss, you want to contract a company to build your solution.

>>43458 >Factually marketing > quality. Thats proven by budget allocation. Brands sells themself on image also. Its why you can buy cheap offbrand at higher quality for a fraction of the price. Just want to note that recently, after going to various shoe stores, I wandered into the fluorescent hell that is wal-mart for the first time in like 10 years. Anyway, I found a pair of shoes for 7 dollars, that are basically everything I've ever wanted. 7$... that's it. They look decent, they're extremely light, they've held up, unfortunately the arch on the bottom is inadequate for my taste, but far superior to all the so-called athletic shoes that are 100% flat on the bottom. So I got what I wanted for 100+ less. Great lesson.

>>43459 Shipping from other countries can be extremely fruitful. I bought high quality cashmere from the source country for 20 while same thing costs 400 in our local shop. Clothing & Co can have crazy markup because none of the profit lands at the production site which means big saving if you can find the source and directly order. Also >>43458 should elaborate >budget allocation should be clear to people and say the important bit: Marketing budget is often bigger than development&production. This means when you pay for it you primarily pay for fancy adds telling you to buy and not the product itself.

>>43458 >The groups you mention do rely on projects created without having them in mind. Don't know what you mean by this. The software they rely on is is made with them in mind, because they're the clients. And more often than not, it's proprietary from top to bottom. The developers might have used some FOSS tools, but they don't start with a FOSS program and then make it more specific and proprietary. FOSS actually prevents developers from doing that, assuming such a project exists to begin with. A lot of, if not most software like that, isn't made on commission, it's made to be sold to whoever wants it. Working on commission is also not passive income. Marketing is important, but the more niche and vital, the more people who need your software will look for you. My point is that FOSS cannot "kill" the proprietary model or realistically meet all, if not most of the demands of consumers and developers. The proprietary model can accomplish some things FOSS can't effectively or at all.

>>43462 various statistical analysis tools were made by academics for academics and now found use under "data science" marketing for said fields. Then you have use of Gimp&co in offices. You dont need to target someone to be useful to them as there is a natural overlap in interests. I also said on commission as an alternative model not as a mix. If youre big enough you order a custom solution for yourself instead of buying off the shelf. I think the sensibility of it is debatable but its not a question whether it happens. As for normal customers - you dont need proprietary at all. You can make money with foss. A good example is blender.

>>43463 Blender gets money from donations, cloud services and training services. The first of which is expensive, the latter is as I said before, not passive income. Blender is also used in a highly profitable industry and pretty far away from being niche, which also applies to data science stuff. Using the same model for residential plumbing contractor software wouldn't work. Nobody is going to make it and nobody is going to use it unless it's proprietary. >If youre big enough And if you're not? And if people can spend less money to buy ready-made proprietary software that is suitable for them, they will. Why wouldn't they? Dentrix, a piece of dentistry software, is one example of that.

>>43464 point of blender is its foss and beating the proprietary and it wasn't always big. Its the poster child for a foss project growing into mainstream and dominating. I have no idea what dentrix is but generally health care has big markups. Its smarter to own things yourself than buy from a vendor who wants to milk you. A good example are insulin pumps. People made a foss project to solve their own issue and it was better than proprietary. What did they do? Brand it as unsafe and release their own regulated soykaf that was identical for 5x the price.

>>43465 For your one example, I can come up with a thousand which don't even have a FOSS equivalent. How is it smarter if it's even more expensive to commission custom software? Why would a developer/software company rather make things on commission? You haven't explained how somebody can get passive income by making FOSS software either. Is a developer's education and experience really so valueless that you think everybody can "solve their own issues" and never need them except for maintenance and tech-support?

>>43427 < PocketCHIP >>43428 > Support how? PocketCHIP still inspires me. We need less taxing languages. Support creators for ethics not commissions.

>>41815 >Underlying warning of growing technology being a vector of growing authoritarianism in both the public and private sectors, slowing draining away personal autonomy more and more, etc etc. The warning that cyberpunk is has been discussed to death, but once you realize the warning can you still enjoy cyberpunk? I always enjoyed cyberpunk precisely because how critical it is. The aesthetic trappings of cyberpunk honestly grate me, because foremost it was a "genre" concerned with the future. Not an aesthetic of the future (or, worse, a retro-future.) I think the punk aspect has been overplayed; and, as the mystique of "punk" ages, so does cyberpunk age. The very problem could be is that few authors can capture compelling, modern forms of resistance. For awhile, that was the hacker culture-- which time has been unkind to. That's not to say this wasn't a problem from the start; as many of the titular cyberpunk protagonists were lone wolves; however "cyber-space" was an enclave of resistance. Either Cyberpunk has to find a new conception of punk, or learn how to depict resistance without a vantage point. We very well live in a cyberpunk future, because the conditions have existed since its inception. Cyberpunk is speculative fiction at best, so it might as well say something new or nothing at all. Predictions are scattershot. They can get somethings right and many things wrong. I think the way forward would to be is to take what's right, what's interesting, and fine tune it with new predictions. Cyberpunk either needs new blood or to die.

>>43492 The form of resistance people actually take is to isolate themselves from society and the predominate culture. Ignoring as much as can be ignored. Accurate cyberpunk would be about hermits living in the wilderness

>>43466 Scale makes custom solutions better. The price of development is fixed. What grows with size is how much you can safe / earn so earnings outscale the cost for custom solutions. As for why contractors play along- obviously cause it pays well and they dont have the money to fund it themself to sell it as a service. Publishers exist for the same reason. Most dont own the profit of what they create because they are forced to rely on external funding which comes at the cost of giving away a significant part of the profit and/or rights. Also i never said you gonna get passive income with foss. I said already in the initial statement the goal of foss is the product. If you want money go into investing. Easier and more profitable. foss makes money but afaik its almost entirely not passive. The only thing you could count passive is ads and donations you get on your site which however isnt really passive either because you dont get attention if your product isnt developing. This is however also true for regular devs. You stop the news cycle with new updates you stop getting sales.

99% of everything is only cool when its not been thoroughly explored or understood yet collectively/societally and as it comes to be understood people come to understand things wrong/trite/unappealing about it. You have to know something first to know why you hate it, and theres always people out there who hate something but havent figured out why yet and its just a matter of time before someone puts it into words that resonate and are poignant on the larger collective level of people who "knew there was something they hated about it" and these ideas eventually reach people like you or me who are cynical/critical and always gonna pay more mind to the problems with something unless we "turn our brain off" like you say. The people who still base their personality around what would seem like to most of us played out soykaf such as harry potter or steampunk after all these years dont have to turn their brain off because they usually are less cynical and see the problems as not a big deal compared to their enjoyment of it. Theyd have to turn off their brain in their own way to focus on why it is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Personally id rather have to keep moving on to new things then be stuck on cyberpunk still 10 years from now. I mean I already noticed when I first came here after a few years that it was beginning to be seen as a "fad".

>>43498 I also know some people are gonna get reactionary about me saying "i knew it was becoming a fad" insinuating i must have never truly likes it and this is some conformist peer pressure dynamic. It is but not in the way anyone is gonna describe. It is in the sense that some things are realized through the interplay of large amounts of people not just one person. Itd be mindless conformity if I couldnt tell you why I first liked cyberpunk and why i started to not like it, but I could easily without referencing "the fanbase" or "the community" or anyone outside myself. But I can only tell you because I noticed things I didnt like about "people who like cyberpunk" first, and then considered what it is about cyberpunk that seemed to create those things, and then thinking about how I felt about whatever it is I finally discovered.

>>43496 >What grows with size is how much you can safe / earn so earnings outscale the cost for custom solutions. What? Even if that might be true and you would get a return on investment for an expensive custom solution, that's hard to predict. In reality, most companies/organizations buy something that already exists for their purposes. Plus, that custom solution will also be proprietary, so I don't even know why you're using it as a counter-example. It's just two different models of proprietary development. >foss makes money but afaik its almost entirely not passive Well, people do make passive income from software. How? By making it proprietary.

>>43505 What counter-example? You asked how custom solutions could be profitable so i replied. Also you just repeat yourself. i clearly stated now multiple times foss is not for profit minmaxing so why the fuarrrk would you insist trying to compare on that?

>>43495 So, Ted Kacynski and Varg are cyberpunk?

>>43511 I mean you can't just have the "im an ebin hacker resisting against the system" without the system (muh authoritarian whatevers). You also can resist against the system in more ways than one. So... Yes.

>>43511 Yes >>43513 explained it nicely. Ted and Varg don't make for good entertainment because unless they're blowing soykaf up, which would be really hard in a typical cyberpunk setting, they're doing the monotonous daily tasks required to live outside of society, which is really boring. It's a mistake to think authors write fiction books to convey a message. Messages are cheap and decorative, like frosting. Some messages lend themselves better to entertainment. "Cyberpunk" is a rejection of modern entertainment, so making entertainment which accurately depicts cyberpunk is like making christian pornography. It's self-defeating.

Support creators for personal ethics not for ticketing. I do not get how ppl do not get this. Artists create art to shape society. If we pay an artist and that artist has art worth creating, then that artist will create that art without any threat. When an artists morals start to slack, then stop paying that artist. Simple. Logical.

>>43516 >Artists create art to shape society. No. Stop. That's so wrong on so many levels. Art is free from social responsibility or obligations. Art is a form of hedonistic self-expression with no need to appease anybody. People's enjoyment of it is the only thing that matters when it comes to art making a profit.

>>43520 Perhaps you missed the part where I said: >If we pay an artist and that artist has art worth creating, >then that artist will create that art without any threat. If not, then: While you fear a world where simple people have more choice, I fear a world where simple people have no choice.

Art demonstrates what to avoid while inspiring what to do. All art exists as a precursor to an idea.

>>41815 Instead of being all doom and gloom about tech you should try to raise awareness about the problems that come with modern technology and the corporate surveillance that it brings with it. The time is ripe right now for a new cyberpunk movement, a neo-cyberpunk movement if you will, of artists and programmers raising awareness through media like music, writing, movies and even software. I feel like people nowadays are less inclined around organising and starting movements and trying to spread each others works around, most of the so called modern cyberpunk media tend to only appropriate the surface level aesthetics of cyberpunk without actually saying much of anything. It would be cool if people just gathered together, started sites, started zines, organised ti make and spread movies, music and novels. Get out there and get stuff done my dude!

>>44091 I 100% agree with you, we need to get things going. I'm already thinking about joining up with the Webring thread here. I have some ideas that I'm working on on an original idea for a website with values as you described.

>>44091 >you should try to raise awareness Who are you trying to reach, how can you reach them, and what's the point in trying? Do you really think you can convert someone on twitter to genuinely care about these things enough to act on them, even if you told them the problems? They might already know they're being spied on and not care. To get their attention, you'd have to go in their spaces and poison yourself. Entire movements get poisoned and reduced to their surface-level aesthetics when they try or accidentally succeed in appealing to a wider audience. It's a sink hole. My view is that the only people who give a soykaf are the ones who find out on their own. "Raising awareness" is a sisyphean task.

>>44099 >"Raising awareness" is a sisyphean task. It's actually a form of prayer.

@ >>44091 >>44099 >raise awareness Lo! Think priorities. What moral precede which morals? > ripe [...] for a new cyberpunk movement, a neo-cyberpunk movement No, 'fraid not. If we inhabit a 6 year cycle (2012, 2006, Y2K..) then consider we had 8 years the last iteration. We have no emblematic years on the horizon. Gates taking heat for villainy then Elon Musk acting guilty by association.. What association? Only internet culture associates those two. A nationalist group framed internet society for trying to overthrow a government. Our way of life has never felt so fragile. We have more to prove now than ever. Find people with potential, who have a base for internet culture. Focus on rare quietly spoken morals, recorded in our history. Teach properly cultured artists to air-gap creation machines. Explain cryptographic identities and how webring applies. Prioritize multi-lingualism above all else. Those unwilling to sacrifice for a second language, more likely abuse other cultures and alien subcultures.

>>44108 It all seam so hopeless. I don't really know where to start. If there is a movement, I'm willing to participate. I'm not the brightest but willing to help, learn, cultivate new habilities ( take advantage of my youth ). What you said on this post is already somewhat happening, just needs to be magnified. >Prioritize multi-lingualism above all else Now I just need to figure out how to motivate more fellow brazillians. Also which languages are the most valuable? English, Espanõl and Chinese?

Rare endangered languages, for example, Maya script, have the most 'creative potential' needing rescue. Languages of a diaspora, for example, Hebrew or Romani, house neutral sentiments more able to represent the whole Earth. Artificial languages require logic-oriented societies to endure exposure to major languages. Translate what needs preservation to those languages.

Consider every African language a top-priority by questing for Africans language speakers with extreme prejudice. African moral systems spawned KONY 2012. Ubuntu, an esoteric moral philosophy, made linux cool !

Motivate others with your own accomplishments.

Avoid speakers ex;ob invasive African languages, for example "Afrikaans".

>>44095 That's cool Lainon, I should also join the webring at some point once in not as ultra-busy. >>44099 Trying to reach regular people who aren't in the know about the consolidation of the internet and the mass surveillance of mega-corporations, be it online or offline. You'd be surprised how many people are actually willing to listen if you take your time and actually engage with them. That's why we need cool media too, people are more likely to open their eyes when they have something cool and radical in front of them instead of some dude just nagging at them, especially if that cool and creative thing has a bunch of optimistic confidence behind it.

We must prove we can heal eternal wounds. >>44130 >>44132 >>44133

man we really got a cyberpunk dystopia but with less cool soykaf huh i cant plug my brain into a computer but you bet jeff bezos knows all my fetishes

>>44261 >regular people who aren't in the know about the consolidation of the internet and the mass surveillance of mega-corporations This is mainstream news in my country and a few times a year there is some big scandal involving international corporations misusing data. Then it fades and people go about their lives. Convincing them it's going on all the time isn't the problem, if anything they are becoming numb from hearing it in the background constantly like the war news in 1984. Convincing average people they should care or alter their behaviour is the real challenge.

>>42299 It's fuarrrking scary talking to the NPC types. If you ever venture into twitter.com it's like they aren't even human. They don't think, they just spout catchphrases again and again and again like the media has programmed them too

>>44261 See the thing is though when it comes to the media point is there's nothing there. It's so filtered, corporate and woke now and normal people just go to Netflix or makeup youtubers. I don't know what you'd do when it comes to that.

>>44590 >>44589 I miss the good old days when the media and government weren't tools to brainwash everyone.

>>44591 You mean when they outsourced it to the church? Before radio your local priest would tell you whats currently the truth.

>>44591 i, too, miss the year... uh... 500 BC.

>>44589 ironically in my experience the types of people who use "NPC" to describe someone tend to, themselves, be the most like the "blind sheep" archetype theyre trying to describe

>>44591 >>44590 >>44589 Dont fool yourselfs, humanity has always been a collection of halfwits steered by a psychopathic, conspiring and deterimned elite. Whetever its trough modern day mass media or controls trough religious/political means, the end result is always the same. >>44587 Media regularly reports on this, but do the people ever realize that its their butt in the fire. Hell no, they just keep going hoping someone else is gonna fix it just move on to the next thing to forget about it. No realizations or contemplation on the consequences and alternatives, i have seen it so goddamn many times. At the end of the day people always come crawling back to their corporate overlords and keep being consumerist sheep. On the net its a large amount of echo chambers and manufactured consent tactics, but none of it changes the fact that most flat out refuse to question the given narrative, no matter how much evidence you throw at them they just make up some excuse and disregard you or say something really stupid like: "theyre just doing their job". In fact i had a recent discussion with my "circle of friends", who is split in two groups as we deteremined, one being the high society and the other the low society. The high society "doesnt have problems", they just smoke joints and drink beer and discus banal stupid soykaf that has no sense or meaning or any conclusion but just one stupid phrase after the other followed by donkey like laughter. The other logically always being in the dumps, but atleast you can hold a decent conversation with them that doesnt involve stupid laughter all the time. The npc stereotype is sad but just too damn true, these people really do just live according to a script and everything that threatens this is rejected instantly.

>>44596 I think its simple. Only people failed by the system start looking at it as an adversary. If you life fine why would you take issues? Hence npcs are people following blind simply cause they got rewarded doing so. The other side is behaviour is established early. So once trained they will continue their behaviour even when circumstances change and that goes both ways to make it clear. The failed people wont start trusting when things go well and the happy wont start doubting when failed unless things go really bad at which point it might be too late.

>>44600 That is extremely oversimplified and simply false. There are many successful and socially well integrated people that have seen trough the facade. Many journalists, reseachers and otherwise skilled people have found individual faults in the system and depending on how much you go down the rabbit there are smaller and larger issues. There are files a mile long that show just how extremely sophisticated and manipulative the system really is. Take the energy or health professions for example, there are lots of highly skilled people who have tried to improve things, but were stomped out by the system. Arguably you can blame it on governments or corporations or malicious individuals. However the point ultimately being that ultimately we live in a hostile and toxic system that rewards greed and violent tactics employed by mighty entities. The deeper you go down the rabbit hole the more you realize how its all nested and interconnected. Npcs dont concern themselfs with that because they have no interest, joe sixpack cares more about the texas cowboys winning the superbowl than the fact that we have a mass ecological crisis brought on by micro plastic shards in the environment. In fact look at how people in society treat things, even other people and children too, no care or regard. Most people are egoists at heart who cant see beyond their monthly paycheck, as long as they have running water, food, internet and all that other crap that is just handed to them, they dont care about the "outside world". Again talking about these so called "friends", they know we have serious problems, but beyond stupid talk and trying to talk their way out of it, nothing happens. Its ignorance for the most part, but a whole lot of it is also refusal to try thinking how to change things. I know some people who know things are bad, but they cant do anything about it, so they just live with it, but then there are those who pretend the worlds problems arent theirs. The important factor is to remember that we live in a system that rewards ignorance, in fact its even built around it. Look at what happened to tesla for example, this man could have completely changed the world, but jp morgan shut him down, now many people dont know who/what jp morgan is and what tesla really did. This just being the most obvious case, out of maybe 1000s and the real victims are in the end are the people themselfs, but nobody really cares beyond driving one of those fancy cars.

>>44601 I would say he's right, on the whole. Most people will cling and refuse any nuance to the very end. They would rather die than let go of the false reality,a nd many will offer themselves up and even offer up their children as an almost belligerent show of faith. Ever tell someone something is bad for them, and they just do it even more and even do it to their kids and smirk at you like "see? All fine, harumph!" That poster is basically right and I don't think people are complex enough that you can call it an oversimplification. Tragically enough.

>>44602 >That poster is basically right and I don't think people are complex enough that you can call it an oversimplification. Most are not, but there are exceptions and these need to be taken into account. I dont know if this is a due to hypersocialization or what, but yeah most people will gladly go along with the status quo, regardless if it hurts anyone else as long as they get validation for doing so. There are people out there who were just "normal folks" with "normal lifes", but then they witness or discover something that just grabs them and before you know it their lifes are threatened. I have friends who once were completely normal people, but over time they went down the rabbit hole and now are enemies of the system. I dont know what it is that makes people see things this way, i always saw it but thats another story, some people just dont recognize doing terrible things as being bad, i just cant fathom any other theory.

>>44603 Sure, they need to be taken into account. A lot like a pebble thrown against a brick wall, or a drop of cyanide in the ocean.

>>41815 > I can only enjoy cyberpunk if I purposefully turn off all my critical thinking for the duration of whatever I'm watching. If I actually watch it with my whole brain turned on, then I actually think about what all the real world implications of whatever ever tech is being described in the show and I start to feel awful. That's the point. You have to learn how to enjoy feeling awful.

>>44609 no thats stupid. sorry for the harshness but no other word describes that. that's just stupid.

>>41815 >without thinking about trying to start some anti-tech movement where everyone in the world destroys all compu... murdering any scientist that tries to work on AI stuff. So you've become a violent revolutionary only to further censor/limit and invite counteraction to the silent revolution that's been decades in the making? What are you gonna do? Shoot some Apple store and further enable the surveillance and profiling of individuals? You idiots keep on making this game a nightmare, literally a pawn psyop'd by the enemy ranks. You don't even know the enemy, you just keep on wailing and flailing and end up hurting the ones you "fight for" and even the ones that truly fight for you. Your emotions are nonsense.

... or OTHERWISE you are trying to psyop people into violence and is either the enemy yourself or an unintentional enemy of the people (the difference being that the former is paid per time). In this age of information and global communication, the likes of you are very common. Psychological operations or warfare are more common than you think and again, your emotions are typically nonsense (even if they're real) and useless if your conclusion is only violence and laying down the groundwork of a dystopia. Maybe useful for you and your boss if you're being paid though.

>>41815 I dunno how it didn't make you sad before.

MAKE THE WORLD BETTER FOR EXISTENCE yes , we all feel a collective sadness . lets have emotional intelligence th0 .

>I can't even think about cyberpunk anymore without thinking about trying to start some anti-tech movement where everyone in the world destroys all computer that aren't Stallman-Approved Libreboot running computers while murdering any scientist that tries to work on AI stuff. The problem with that is that there's nothing wrong with tech in itself. It's just a tool. You can't pass moral judgements to a hamer. It might be used to build a house but it also could be used to beat someone up. The real problem for what the tool is used for. Also I too feel like something needs to be done about this. I really don't want to live in a world where everything is locked up, drones are flying on the streets documenting everything, and AI technology being developed just enough that majority of people can't ask for larger wages, yet have to work like slaves because they are so cheap. Maybe it would be worth starting a thread to discuss what could be done? Like make a discussion on what needs to change and from that we might end up with something worthwile. Lot of people are tired of politic and infighting anyway, so they might even support something that doesn't just repeat what was said a thousand times but also can provide a better future and actually inspire. Just please, no advocation of violence in any shape or form. That stuff glows in the dark.

>>48639 I don't think he was advocating violence, but more tongue-in-cheek expressing the state of his unchanneled rage; that is, a sort of appeal to the reader, "what is there to be done?" He could mean it, though.

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