Hatred of authority?

Am I the only one who has this visceral disdain for authority? And I mean, the whole justice system, courts, judges,inspectors,teachers.... I have never had any run ins with the law and was a model student with a nice family, yet the very idea of someone having a monopoly on force and having ultimate control over your fate seems so repulsively disgusting. When I walk the streets I feel like I'm in a cage. I know society cannot function without rules and authority, but damn I sure wish it could, even for a brief. I guess that's why I always subconsciously sided with the criminal in those crime and prison escape docs. Am I just a schizoid or are those legitimate grievances?

You sound like an angsty teen whose more concerned with looking rebellious. If you dont like the state monopoly on violence you could always move to Somalia.

>>35280 You sound like a reductive person who would rather place imaginary archetypes in your head youve formed off interactions with people in your highschool or online onto random people who dont think like you do.

I find that, while not everytime but, often times people with this point of view tend to blame others for their problems. Its the [some authority figure] that is why I'm not as happy or whatever. Such is life. You will grow out of it, realizing that you are the only one who is in control of their destiny and either fit within the system or find a way to do without.... or you'll find a bubble to soak up in and become a libertarian or anarchist. I don't care much for authority because human error exists. I also disagree with how governments tend to be ran in the year 20XX. I want to point this out. >teachers They only have authority over the subject matter that you're learning about. After that point, they have no authority outside of minor admin works that has no real impact on your day to day.... Unless you are underage, in which case, I would like to direct to you >>>/helloKittyAdventureIsland/ to wait until you hit fake adulthood (18, as opposed to 25, which is real adulthood.)

>>35280 I'm not a teen and I have a reasonable job. I'm not blaming anyone for my problems. I just have these extremely autistic ideas that I sometimes vent on imageboards

>>35283 I'm gonna throw out there you probably don't have much power or control in your life. Consider what it would take to get a promotion or to assert yourself with other authority figures. For example I had problems with my landlord so I started using an attorney to get actions from them. I get respect from them and if anything they're even more friendly, I'm no longer at the bottom of their mental totem pole.

>>35282 >They only have authority over the subject matter that you're learning about. After that point, they have no authority outside of minor admin works that has no real impact on your day to day.. grading, the most crucial aspect can be manipulated by the teacher. >>35279 There are 2 options. People who believe big daddy will protect them and defend their master and people who see those who could harm them as a threat. The latter will obviously dislike authority above themself. I think the moderate stance is to accept that you cant get rid of it and rather work to exploit the system as best as possible. I.E. its a lot easier to give a teacher a good first impression and receive good grades due to his positive bias than to work for it later. And even if you do good work - especially in languages they can say you wrote soykaf and grade low once a negative bias is established. I think people most salty about the system are either too idealistic or too socially inept to exploit it.

I didn't grow out of my distrust for authority, I grew into it after seeing some pretty awful abuses go unchecked. But Lainchan is no longer the place where such perspectives are welcome as many, many recent posts have demonstrated. It has nothing to do with my social or economic standing either since I was only a witness to most of these things.

>>35285 >grading matters Not really... and you can get the grade corrected. Although, I never had that problem. I made straight A's until my maths degree shoved its foot up my ass. Apparently, it didn't really matter. Grades are just some arbitrary idea of how "well" you are doing, all people really care about is whether or not you pass. Slapping cuma sum laude on your Job-Pan-Handler paper is pretty cool, but it's not going to make or break your employment unless you have the rare misfortune of people who care about trite things, such as grades, over everything else. >>35285 >false dichotomy haha ebin! >>35286 >their perspective isn't in line with my own thus my ideology is clearly not welcome We have natsocs, anarchists, fascists, marxists, commies, lolberts, and everyone in between. Drop the victim complex and join in on the discussion. Authority can be abused. Things that can, often will. Thats not something people tend to disagree with.

>>35288 Those are a minority, and their threads get spammed and derailed endlessly. This place is overrun with bootlicking types now, just look at this thread.

>>35288 never saw anyone gonna start and win a dispute about whether their essay is good or not. You either get your soykaf rated high or eat soykaf. What i saw however is a bunch of kids getting their perfect score fuarrrked.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind authority if it didn't apply to me. I know that's a ridiculous thing to say because there's no reasonable way to decide who gets to decide things for themselves and who has to do as their told, but it does get to the root of my personal conflict with the concept of authority. I don't usually get mad at authority figures for being authority figures. Rather, I try to focus on myself and my ability to avert their authority. It's frustrating when someone or something dumber than me tells me what to do, but ultimately it's my fault for letting them have that power over me in the first place, or not recognizing the nature of their power and working to get my way in spite of it. Better to focus on becoming unruleable rather than eliminating rulers. Obviously there are concessions to reality here, but I'm speaking more about personal attitude than material reality. If you're an antiauthoritarian type, I think this way of looking at things is more productive than the alternative.

>>35288 last point not true at all. Especially because its far easier to say "lol edgelord" and quickly just throw vague assumptions such as you with "drop the victim complex" than it is to discuss such things. Meaning even if the viewpoints/perspectives are as varied as you say its still ultimately drowned out not by a vocal minority but rather a group of people who can pump out character attacks masked, and believed to be by the individual using them, as actual arguments.

>>35279 >yet the very idea of someone having a monopoly on force and having ultimate control over your fate seems so repulsively disgusting Like a pimp has over a prostitute? Like a murderer over his victims? Like a dealer over his addicts? >I guess that's why I always subconsciously sided with the criminal in those crime and prison escape docs oh... you're just edgy

>>35280 >>35282 >>35284 >>35288 >>35295 Interesting. I think I've found the real edgy 14 year olds here. So needlessly combative. >>35279 I'm a conciliatory person by nature, so I tend to fair well under any kind of societal system, but your post made me feel a little of the claustrophobia you describe. Conceptually I have zero respect for authority, but in practice I adjust my actions to keep my good standing, and it doesn't bother me at all. I could imagine feeling the way you did if I had (or personally witnessed) some bad experiences, but so far I've avoided getting on the wrong side of a system.

The one thing that does make me angry is us Americans can't have decent cheese because our government makes us pasteurize ours. fuarrrking stupid, these bastards in government are taking one of the simple pleasures in life from me, apparently for my own safety, even though it's apparently good enough for the rest of the world.

>>35279 Also, you said you understand why we need these systems but you still feel this way. Would you feel differently if there was some sort of objective impartial arbitrator of justice who punished people perfectly appropriate to their crimes/shortcomings? In other words, is it specifically abuse of power you're afraid of?

>>35295 >>I guess that's why I always subconsciously sided with the criminal in those crime and prison escape docs >oh... you're just edgy that's a ...pretty normal thing.

>>35280 >t. cvck

>>35299 Ha ha ha. When I lived in the US, there was this one co-op that sold non-pasteurized cheese even though it was against the law. Our housemate who was English and had grown up eating French cheese would cycle ten miles every week just to get it. No one really understood this about him but you should have heard him go on about it. One time there was a bit of mold on his cheese and someone threw it away. He fished it out of the trash and ranted/lectured about the biology involved for about 20 minutes, at top volume.

>>35299 A good point i completely forgot about. Us food regulations are in general completely anti-consumer. There are literal bans on mentioning being free of some ingredients so that the respective companies dont have to compete on it with companies that dont include said garbage.

>>35299 >The one thing that does make me angry is us Americans can't have decent cheese because our government makes us pasteurize ours. Could very well be that if we had good cheese nobody would ever buy pasteurized cheese. Gross milk is usually turned into some other product to hide what's happened to it and gross milk is often also ultrapasturized so they don't need to throw it out.

>>35299 food in the US is pretty fuarrrked up in a lot of ways. We eat a ridiculous amount of low-quality meat and our diets are barely more nutritious than that of a Vietnamese rice farmer My old roommate was Japanese and he was amazed that I always cooked my eggs... apparently in Japan it is completely safe to eat raw eggs.

>>35319 >apparently in Japan it is completely safe to eat raw eggs The idea of refrigerating eggs in the the US and Canada is relatively new I think (newer than everyone having a refrigerator I mean). A few decades ago your eggs possibly came from the farmer down the road and you knew how old they were. A lot of people kept their own hens too, even suburbanites and even a few city dwellers. Now? Your eggs have been sitting around, in transit, sitting around again, for days and days. I still hear of people eating them raw but I wouldn't.

>>35321 It's not just old farmer Joe down the road who doesn't refrigerate his eggs. Eggs aren't refrigerated in most of Europe. When you go to the grocery store they're just on the shelf like bread or anything else. It's cause businesses are required to wash eggs in the US which removes the protective layer and leaves the eggs susceptible to bacteria that we have to refrigerate ours. I've also been to japan and raw egg was indeed common there. I sometimes use raw egg in my cooking in the US. I think there was a time when food safety standards were lower and there was a lot of cross contamination, but nowadays you're extremely extremely unlikely to get salmonella from raw eggs.

You know, the problem isn't with authority. It's with servility. There are plenty of good authorities out there, such as---in principle---each person over themself. The problem is that all the false authorities, are blindly given authority, by servile jerks, who don't care enough to wonder whether they're right. >You will grow out of it, realizing that you are the only one who is in control of their destiny and either fit within the system or find a way to do without.... or you'll find a bubble to soak up in and become a libertarian or anarchist. Except that you're not the only one in control. Plenty persons have plenty control over plenty other persons. The point is to be in more control of yourself. You might not get perfect control of yourself, but you can do pretty well, and something that helps, is to simply ignore authorities that would require your servility, avoid those that have the power to impose their false authority over use (e.g. by others' servility). Also, avoid the servility. They suck, additionally because they're kinda lame.. not all of them, though---an my good friend is servile as fuarrrk, but they's quite interesting to be around.. wouldn't let them to close into my life though. And that's a false dichotomy. You can live beside the harmful systems, using what they offer, when it's in your interest. (I suspect you misunderstand anarchy, as those malefactors mistaking themselves as for freedom, for all, who're really only selfish bastards.)

>I think people most salty about the system are either too idealistic or too socially inept to exploit it. Or both---lucky me (I have a benefactor, who helps me exploit `the system,' teaching me how to do it myself) >We have natsocs, anarchists, fascists, marxists, commies, lolberts, and everyone in between. And that's why I love lainchan so much. I might hate all of those, but the fact that they all can be here---despite some attempts to have some removed---and not have everything become dense soykaf, speaks to the quality of moderation.

>Like a pimp has over a prostitute? Hey! We prefer the term ``solicitor-manager.'' The slaver-pimps really give us a bad name.

>>35295 >doesnt know what monopoly of force/violence means >calls people edgy cause he doesnt know how to read >calls people edgy for not having a reductive state fed view of "criminal" and giving the person being imprisoned the benefit of the doubt maybe if you ended yourself youl end up being reincarnated in the draconian society you want to live in.

>>35279 >I know society cannot function without rules and authority so you do ultimately believe in the necessity of an authority? I'm must be a schizoid, because for me it seems like a token phrase to not get your thread derailed by "edgy" boot lickers (they did it anyway, see >>35298). and to not get your door knocked. I think that society is just a palliative over the nonexistence of rules. people get scared by the absence of rules, and powerful enough parties try to impose their set of vague rules enforced by discretion and changing at whim. those rules are basically a way to fuarrrk the rest of "society" without getting fuarrrked themselves. so at first, the "state of nature" scares you, because someone might use violence against you. so you let an entity monopolize violence. now you are afraid of that entity, because it might use violence against you. the dilemma of the social contract yadda yadda, hobbes, locke, etc, etc. you already know all of this. anyway my point is that, those concerns are normal to a certain degree. if it gets in the way of your normal life ™, it might be good for you to seek professional help.

>>35279 I too was once 16

For you to have hatred of authority you must place value in it where there is none.

> Yet you participate in society! > Curious! I am very intelligent!

>>35279 what are your thoughts on the idea that these systems permitted your comfortable upbringing?

>>35319 >apparently in Japan it is completely safe to eat raw eggs Yes, the eggs at the store have a date stamped on them. That's the eat raw date. The eggs are still good after that date, but you should cook them first.

>>35377 Not him but easily refuted. Poor regions who still live like medieval times score higher on happiness. The modern system is a cycle of wageslaving to buy consumer products for escapism in free time which puts you out of options other than more wageslaving.

>>35377 >>35349 Come on... there is no way two different people posted these.

>>35385 I think you're exaggerating a bit by calling some of them medieval. If someone's connected enough to be able to be interviewed about happiness then chances are that they have access to some modern advances like telecommunications, and modern medicine.

>>35434 if they were doing those kinds of interviews over the phone that would be introducing massive bias. These are the kinds of things that are done door-to-door.

>>35434 No internet. I really meant medieval. They dont even have electricity and really live like the old times in their villages. People just go there to do their social studies and publish about them. And its not amish before anyone thinks of them.

>>35449 >No internet I'm calling bullshit. Outside of some uncontacted peoples in South America everybody has internet. The entire Africa's online now, even the undeveloped, rural areas. The people there don't have electricity or running water but they sure as soykaf have mobile phones because they're just so damn useful.

>>35279 Your anger is justified. Our whole society is just a giant scam. Officially we live in a democracy but in reality we are ruled by rich oligarchs and secret societys. The school system and media is just government propaganda. Social media is monopolized and censored by some silicon valley glitterboys. Our politicians no matter if "left" or "right" are the most vile scum. Every form of culture either gets canceled or commercialized. Every human being is reduced on his worth as a working drone. The food you can buy in the stores is low quality and full of sugar which makes you fat or gives you diabites. The doctors are unable to really heal people. Policemen are corrupt. Workers and middle class buisnesses are taxed heavily while international corporations pay !zero! taxes. Every product you can buy has planned obsolescence so you must constantly buy new smartphones, tv's, microwaves, razors, clothes, cars etc... I think the list can be expanded further.

>>35454 yeh but it's not like they log in to facebook every day to see their news feed. The network is really spotty in much of the world and they use it primarily for weather reports and other useful things, not how many homebound westerners do.

>>35456 My dude, how do you make a razor or clothes last forever?

>>35458 razor: a properly maintained straight razor will last for your entire lifetime. There are razors that have been passed down for multiple generations. clothes: good sturdy clothes can be patched and sewed up for a long time, but good sturdy clothes are also more expensive to make. Same with shoes, a properly made pair of shoes can be re-soled or re-shanked and last for a decade or more of hard use, but most of the cheap shoes you find in stores these days cannot and there aren't any cobblers any more.

>>35454 Alright, i've seen you posting these pornstars for a long time now Do you have folder of these?

There's nothing to like about it as Authority fundamentally goes against the sovereignty of man. We are not ready to dispense with laws entirely, that requires an enlightened society however they should be less strict. Anyone with a hard on for Big Government in 2020 is sick in the head.

That's where trolling works for me. It's a whole science to be able to provoke authority without breaking their own rules

>>35460 But you have to pay money and spend a good amount of time doing all of those, and with clothes, you also have to be fairly skilled to sew them up in a good way. Things being replaced instead of repaired over and over again isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>35505 it also takes a fair amount of time and money (not to mention overall waste) to buy cheap disposable things over and over. it costs more to be poor than it does to be rich. If you never have enough money to buy good boots that last ten years, you buy a bunch of cheap boots that last a year each, and you end up paying more money. Just one of the many ways in which the poor are taxed for being poor.

>>35508 Overall, it is more cost-efficient, time-efficient, and innovative for things to be replaced than repaired and re-used over and over again. The thing about being rich is that it isn't exactly easy to be rich, your entire life has to be devoted to managing your business and contacts, you pay more in taxes than any regular person will ever see in their entire life, and you are constantly having to find ways to innovate, improve, increase the revenue for your company. Perhaps you should take a look at the perspective of the other side.

>>35509 >it is more cost-efficient, time-efficient, and innovative for things to be replaced than repaired and re-used over and over again. I strongly disagree. Replacement costs extra money and time to produce the new thing and to ship the thing. It costs more effort selecting which thing to get. In the long run it ends up with junk piling up somewhere, maybe in your home if you're messy. "Innovative" is a stupid word to use in this context. >The thing about being rich is that it isn't exactly easy to be rich, your entire life has to be devoted to managing your business and contacts, you pay more in taxes than any regular person will ever see in their entire life The thing about being poor is that one missed paycheck can make you homeless with no prospects. If you're making six figures and the same applies, you're probably retarded.

>>35510 >Replacement costs extra money and time to produce the new thing and to ship the thing. And with repairs, it costs much more money to put it through repairs, and it also costs time depending on what's wrong, time that a person might now have. There is an inherent increase in cost when you have to go through repairs because the person doing the repairs has to be compensated for using their time, skills, and resources to fix your issue. >"Innovative" is a stupid word to use in this context. Not at all, it is a part of innovation that older ideas and products are eventually dropped as they are replaced by superior products. > If you're making six figures and the same applies, you're probably retarded. You'd be amazed at how fragile businesses can be, bad judgment and decisions can lead to many people losing their jobs and local economies being hurt for everyone.

If you buy good products you dont need to repair in first place. The more expensive type last for decades doing nothing in maintenance. The whole point is you frontload the cost paying 5x more on a single purchase but then you dont rebuy 20x making it a significant net gain.

>>35519 The problem is not having the money for the quality product but needing something meanwhile. Say it's a pair of winter boots. I know the more "expensive" ones will last longer and are in effect cheaper that way but I can't get by long enough to save for them. I need the crappy brand right now even though I know they have a two year lifespan.

>>35511 >And with repairs, it costs much more money to put it through repairs Is that so? Repair costs less supplies and usually less manpower. If you get your boots or phone repaired I guarantee it will cost less than the original item, and if it doesn't the guy will tell you that he can't repair it, because he probably relies on repeat business and can't be scamming people left and right. I used to repair improperly built houses, and I can say with certainty, if the cost of maintenance on a structure is so high that buying a new one makes sense, the house is probably not safe to live in and you got gypped by buying it in the first place. I think the same principle applies to a lot of things. >There is an inherent increase in cost when you have to go through repairs because the person doing the repairs has to be compensated for using their time, skills, and resources to fix your issue. A cost which is *less* than for the same person to fully re-build the thing. The only savings you get is from the use of cheap unskilled labor in the production process and cut corners in the design. >You'd be amazed at how fragile businesses can be, bad judgment and decisions can lead to many people losing their jobs and local economies being hurt for everyone. As I said, if you're making six figures and you're so over-leveraged that missing a paycheck will put you on the streets, you're retarded. Then again if you're a businessman who cuts corners and buys cheap capital without properly factoring in the long-term cost of maintenance and replacement, that's probably the reason your business goes underwater. >>35519 >The more expensive type last for decades doing nothing in maintenance. Not really, in fact for cars it's sort of the opposite. My cheap toyota truck costs way less in maintenance than a BMW or a Jeep. But you are correct, better things also break down slower. However, almost universally, repairability is also a feature. The kind of truck I have has retained its high value specifically because it is easy to repair and reliable.

>>35533 yup. What I do usually is just set aside my tax return for some important item like boots. It's when I have the most cash on hand.

It's pretty disgusting isn't it

This thread is derailing. But yes I don't like authority either. But unfortunately it will never go away unless something drastic happens and that requires the participation of every US citizen. Unless you want to end up a local news story of a lain that attacked a police officer. Being a schizo doesn't fall into this even remotely. I can see why some lains are calling you an edgy 14yr old with lines like "subconsciously sided with criminals in crime and prison escape docs." Yeah, prison is like kicking dead whales down the beach and shouldn't be a for profit system like it is. Yeah, the government dictates a lot but not everything. Some decisions are influenced by large corps. I suggest doing some research and maybe you will change the 14yr old edgelord idea of what authority is.

>>35565 People accuse others of being edgy teens because they were themselves edgy teens and now have to prove they are adults. When I grew up I didn't accept the system as being not so bad after all, I just kept seeing the atrocities piling up.

>>35601 This honestly. If anything I was more carefree and neutral towards reality and liked being "not like those edgelords". Hovewer as I grew up the world was seeming more and more fuarrrked up and it was getting to me more and more

>>35385 sure, but you didn't actually respond to my question so whether or not you meant to you just gave me an absurd strawman. I am not asking if people are actually less happy with modern amenities, I'm asking for your comment on how you personally perceive the idea that all of your conveniences, education and good health are a consequence of the things you don't like. Furthermore, in response to the random point you blurted out, which society are you referring to, and what are you comparing it to? I hope you aren't just solely using the united states as you perceive it to form some generalisation and actually have some facts regarding all developed nations. How can you be sure you aren't conflating everyone's misery for your own?

>>35601 >>35607 I think the thing isn't so much that you become okay with it. I certainly have not. I think it's more that you start to get less bullheaded and a little smarter and wiser, you maybe have to support yourself, you start to think, okay, I have a certain amount of years in my life to do something and I live in a world that is extremely contrary to how I think it ought to be. What to do? Path one: Suppress the rebellious part of yourself. Focus on your career. Express yourself solely by listening to punk music and having flags and buttons to signal your displeasure with society, maybe a few tattoos and a spicy twitter account. Get prescribed antidepressants. This is the path that most rebels take, because it is the one that leads to the most material comfort. Path two: Devote your life to a revolutionary cause. Get killed or imprisoned or burn out by age thirty and live the rest of your life with the weight of failure and poverty, unless you are one of the few who through a combination of luck, good genes, charisma, and determination (in that order) achieves some measure of success. Path three: Seek answers rather than change. Aspire to be one of the Wise, or failing that, Erudite. Study the mundane and the esoteric. Turn away from the trivialities of society to contemplate the Riddle. In short, go mad. It should not surprise you which path I think is best, but they all have their plusses and minuses. Path one is the happiest, path two is most likely to get you laid, path three prepares you most for death. And of course you can mix and match parts of all three.

>>35279 Yes. I believe that authority creates the tyranny of the obedient. We all understand what's good and bad, so the society can function just on that, naturally weeding out bad actors. Today, obedient tyrannically create a system that punishes less obedient all while bad actors can strive as long as their deeds are within laws or don't attract much attention.

>>35625 Part four: larp as an anti-authoritarian on fringe anime forums

>>35279 No, you are not alone. Also, you are feeling like that for a reason, the world is slowly moving towards a dystopia. Like the feudal ages but now with high tech, instant gratification and lots of polllution.

>>35625 Oh look, more life advice I didn't ask for from Lainchan! The amount of times this happens on this site is hilarious. >It should not surprise you which path I think is best Yeah you're that same Lain who thinks he's Yoda and tells us podcasts are a distraction from our inner aura or whatever. You're so enlightened and above those material pursuits yet you need to hang about here and fix other people's perceived existential dilemmas for some reason, which is more than a bit silly.

>>35649 no that's part of path one. >>35653 >Oh look, more life advice I didn't ask for from Lainchan! It was more of a description but I guess it could be interpreted as advice. >Yeah you're that same Lain who thinks he's Yoda and tells us podcasts are a distraction from our inner aura or whatever. you must have me confused with someone else. I don't usually believe in such things. >You're so enlightened... yet you need to hang about here and fix other people's perceived existential dilemmas for some reason, I didn't say enlightened, I said mad.

>>35654 >I didn't say enlightened, I said mad. You admit to being angry at least, try sorting out your own life before trying to fix other people.

>>35657 Oh for fuarrrk's sake, he clearly meant mad as in crazy or insane, for all your smug and dismissive attitude, you have real problem with understanding this simple thought, don't you think?

>>35456 Any hatred towards authority is justified today. It is only human. I can't imagine a large group of primates being subservient to a small group of primates as a natural standard, doesn't feel right to me. After all it is all about information, some protocols, some rules, not the people themselves. It is only buying people, wearing them down with bureaucracy and maintaining the facade. Thing is, we are obliged to be passive, it has never been a question of true fairness. It's the opposite of it. I can't tell passive aggressive people to shove it because I can lose my job and everything. I can't smoke in most places. I can't have paid sex. I can't be hired and not having a smartphone and a google account at the same time. I simply can't be free and eat/read/live. If you're not like everyboy, you can't have nothing on your own. Period. And this is the deal, that's the point of opression. We shall be all the same, doing what other people tells us to do if we continue to "accept reality as it is", and it will be like a snap, boom, we're just members of the hive and that's it. People tend to compare soykaf with stinkier soykaf like a brutal hellhole dictatorship but, seriously, that's as mediocre as a mentality can get. That's exactly what validates modern authority. "Meh, we're good with this, at least we have this or that." Democracy have ripped the heart of humanity, every citizen is now a moral prostitute.