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The News
Bob Arctor · 2020-11-15 22:12
Most of the site seems quite educated and informed while some posters are so ignorant of world events that it seems almost willful.
I'd be interested in hearing what lains do to stay informed. Where do you get your news?
Which of those sources do you consider trustworthy?
How often do you check it?
I'll post some of my favorite sources here:
The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists:
https://www.icij.org/
Stratfor:
https://worldview.stratfor.com/
Wikipedia Current Events (News aggregator):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/
Gentle Sage · 2020-11-15 22:42
>inb4 completely avoidable political derail
Leto Atreides I · 2020-11-15 22:56
RSS feeds dude
I'm suprised everyone forgot about this, I seriously cannot imagine not having all of your news in a comfy application that has all of your sources.
I reccomend RSSowlnix
https://github.com/Xyrio/RSSOwlnix/releases
Dox · 2020-11-15 23:05
>>34980
>political derail
OP ere. I'm actually worried about that as well. How would you propose I avoid it?
Drifter · 2020-11-15 23:59
>>34978
I get my news from official sources only
https://streamable.com/5yf9cj
Lord Nikon · 2020-11-16 07:20
>>34978
Reuters and APNews probably give you the least spin on current events compared to all the other stuff out there.
I will say that, depending on where you are and what you do in life, "staying informed" can be quite overrated.
Trinity · 2020-11-16 07:48
its hard to stay informed when everything is wrapped up in propaganda... rather be uninformed than misinformed.
Unknown · 2020-11-16 07:59
>>35000
You can get your news from a variety of sources and then fact check what you read against seemingly unrelated sources of information.
Otto Normalverbraucher · 2020-11-16 08:23
>>34985
In case anyone wonders what this is about, it's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group
Basiaclly one Corp bought up a lot of local stations, and sends them the same scripts to save money, and promote their political interests:
> A 2019 study in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market."[3][4]
The video annoys me because it's insinuating some conspiracy, while instead it's just regular capitalism.
Terzibashjian · 2020-11-16 09:33
>>35002
Its kinda both. The whole reason you have 20 brands instead of 1 is to trick people into believing they have a choice. A video like that breaks that illusion.
Hitomi · 2020-11-16 09:41
>>34999
As long as you remember they still partake in the propaganda model by choosing what to focus on (and of course to remember that their opinion columns are opinion columns) so if you only browse the front pages you are still going to be getting a biased view of world through omission. Like all 'utility' news services it is a lot better than regular consumer news though.
Roger Pollack · 2020-11-16 11:20
>>35002
>The video annoys me because it's insinuating some conspiracy
Not true at all. All official sources say the same thing, because it's official. Obviously. For example, Climate change is official. Everyone agrees. Conspiracies are from unofficial sources. People who do not believe the official sources should be rounded up and re-educated.
John Rain · 2020-11-16 13:47
>>35008
> People who do not believe the official sources should be rounded up and re-educated.
No one is oppressing you.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2020-11-16 13:53
>>35008
>People who do not believe the official sources should be rounded up and re-educated.
China does this all the time,all tyrants & despots do this all the time.
>Conspiracies are from unofficial sources
Official sources also report conspiracies
What happens when 2 official sources contradict each other ? What happens when official source makes a statement that contradicts itself? Do re-educated people's heads explode when confronted by contradictory or false information reported from official sources?
Anyone who watches mainstream corporate news should be "re-educated", especially normalglitterboys like OP,>>34978
"Reuters" & "Wikipedia" Why?.
The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists: partnered with more than 100 media organizations & funded by U.S.-based nonprofit organizations like (Open Society Foundations run by George Soros).
Stratfor: world’s leading geopolitical intelligence platform fuarrrking "Stratfor" really!!! You want people to get "trustworthy" news from Stratfor ( just look into the 2012 Stratfor email leaks) its a private intelligence agency that spies on people.They were also involved in an insider trading scandal in 2009 .
You get much better news from random videos posted on bitchute than the sources mentioned in the OP
Cereal Killer · 2020-11-16 15:46
I like apnews, nytimes, dw (german), and bbc. Then arstechnica and ycombinator for tech news, phys.org, science, and nature for science news. and I'll pass on the political derail by schizos that's already starting.
Hong, Guil Dong · 2020-11-16 15:49
>>35012
>What happens when 2 official sources contradict each other ?
Easy you open a book and get a calculator and figure out who is lying. Failing that you remember what they said and wait and find out who is lying.
You'll soon see a pattern emerge.
>"Wikipedia" Why?.
Because that wikipedia page covers stuff that's too boring for american audiences.
>The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists:
They've exposed massive corruption around the world. If there is a "global conspiracy" they're it's enemy.
>"Stratfor" really!!! You want people to get "trustworthy" news from Stratfor ( just look into the 2012 Stratfor email leaks) its a private intelligence agency that spies on people.
Yep they're intelligence analysts that's what they do, spy on people. They also cost money so if it wasn't worthwhile they'd go out of business. I've made multiple investments off their forecasts and it's paid for itself every year that I've subscribed.
Care to share what you consider to be a trustworthy news source?
Russia Today perhaps?
Yu-ichi · 2020-11-16 16:07
>>34978
>Which of those sources do you consider trustworthy?
Protip: Every news outlet is just political propaganda. Even the alternative/conspiracy media is just propaganda. Dont parrot what these corporate whores are saying and use your own common sense and defend your own point of view.
Ender · 2020-11-16 16:09
If you like conflicting sources learn english,russian,chinese. Reading those 3 you can see contradicting reports on about half the news and a lack of reporting on homegrown troubles in general that get merely attention internationally. Note also that for the russian language there are smaller countries who use it just like english isnt just us/uk.
Drifter · 2020-11-16 16:29
>>34978
It's very easy: the ones that report things which conflict with my ideological commitments are propaganda outlets, the ones that report things I agree with are daring dissidents speaking truth to power against the elites.
Dox · 2020-11-17 05:30
>>35019
>They've exposed massive corruption around the world. If there is a "global conspiracy" they're it's enemy.
BBC,New York times,Washington post & other mainstream outlets have have reported on massive corruption around the world.This does not mean that they are the good guys & can be trusted because as you and other anons have mentioned all outlets have biases & they'd go out of business if they did not. Do I recommend Russia Today, sure why not but the news that gets reported will have bias & Russian propaganda obviously.
My point is no news or media outlet can be trusted,you have to look at many conflicting sources of information mainstream AND alternative/conspiracy media then use your reasoning & critical thinking skills, come to your own conclusions.
Let me give you an example the New York times & other mainstream outlets reported on the Jeffry Epstein scandal many years ago then the subject got memoryholed till his recent arrest, If you compare their reports with reports from independent journalists like https://unlimitedhangout.com/epstein/ you will notice the difference clearly. I am not telling you to believe the independent journalist instead of mainstream reporters, what I am telling you is notice the difference in what is being reported by different mainstream sources vs independent journalists & how they are reporting on that subject.
> intelligence analysts that's what they do, spy on people.
>they make money by spying on people
> I've made multiple investments off their forecasts and it's paid for itself every year that I've subscribed.
Google,Facebook,Amazon all do this & they are involved with government spy agencies + you can make money on their platforms . Does this make Google,Facebook,Amazon etc trustworthy sources of information? What investments have you made? What information did you receive from Stratfor that made you want to make those investments?
Special Agent Bob · 2020-11-17 06:40
no agenda podcast sumarizes a week's worth of news.
They're not ultra-informed, and still stay away from some topics though. To keep abreast of all news yew have to dig deeper.
TL;DR: Earth isn't flat, but Osiris is a World Tree of green (aurorae) shrouds, and preserved by ices (ISIS), FFS... infra red long-distance photography refutes curve-ism.
Liet Kynes · 2020-11-17 08:55
idk its all a big mess atm. Avoid MSM generally.
Unidentified · 2020-11-18 22:48
>>35049
So I don't doubt that Stratfor is shady. I learned about them from the email leaks.
I know they're shady. The people who consume the news from stratfor are mostly business and military types and it's very expensive. Many of them have their own intelligence analysts presenting reports on the same material and of course the passage of time to vet the validity of what they're saying so if they're consistently wrong people will cancel their subscriptions.
They've been good helping me understand american foreign policy. It's often counter-intuitive and in such cases it's common for some politicians to espouse more "common sense" policies that sound good but are absolutely awful.
One other thing I'd like to note about Stratfor is that they're not exactly news. They're an intelligence forecasting service so they take the news, lay out some facts, make a prediction, and then justify that prediction with historical data to back it up.
This is useful and I enjoy the historical perspectives the same way I might have enjoyed watching the history channel. I'll often do historical research of my own to verify or better understand current events.
>they are involved with government spy agencies + you can make money on their platforms . Does this make Google,Facebook,Amazon etc trustworthy sources of information?
These sites are not selling news, even most news paywalls aren't nearly as expensive as stratfor. The target audience is different as well, if a mainstream outlet publishes crap consistently then they'll attract people who go there to have their biases confirmed. To reiterate; If Stratfor is selling crap to military leaders and fund managers they will suffer for it and cancel their expensive stratfor subscriptions.
>What investments have you made? What information did you receive from Stratfor that made you want to make those investments?
I've done good with specific developing world ETFs. IIRC it was stratfor that inspired me to take a position in WOOD that worked out very nicely.
Erik Johansson · 2020-11-21 22:24
I've mentioned the predecessor to this organization on Lainchan before:
http://mvdstandard.net
This is a simple news organization run by a small group of people, for themselves. There's a bias against the United States, but is that really so unreasonable?
Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko · 2020-11-25 06:53
>>35049
>you have to look at many conflicting sources of information mainstream AND alternative/conspiracy media then use your reasoning & critical thinking skills, come to your own conclusions
Is your spacebar broken? Anyway...
News is junk food for the brain. Eating more of it doesn't improve the quality of your life. Imagine if all those hours you spent watching news were spent learning on coursera or writing programs or getting exercise. Nothing on the news has any impact on my life, so why should I bother watching any of it?
Nobody lies on their deathbed thinking, "I should have watched more news."
Nameless · 2020-11-25 12:26
>some posters are so ignorant of world events that it seems almost willful
Indeed. Why should I care about things happening the world away? There is not much I can do about it is there? And it is most likely going to have little impact on my life. I'd rather know about local happenings that actually affect me. Most of the "news" is just a soap opera starring a bunch of pretentious old men playing at running the world anyway.
William Holtzer · 2020-11-25 14:15
>>34978
OP I have some bad news
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-security-wikipedia-idUSN1642896020070816?fbclid=IwAR08fUIHKSCL21USGPvilzWSadiAOf1sfZ7CuUwy-lGnsE61F-12tyU1-XE
Hitomi · 2020-11-25 14:45
>>35296
>Anon shows up in a news thread
>News is junk food for the brain
>why should I bother watching any of it?
I agree with your opinion that all those hours spent watching news should be spent on learning new skills or getting exercise.I don't watch any entertainment media released in modern times, I enjoy watching news because world events,geopolitics,economics etc are more entertaining than most entertainment media that is being produced today.If you are into conspiracy media then the plot of any TV show or movie can't hold a candle to the plots being discussed on conspiracy media.You actually feel like a real detective when you go down in any of those conspiracy rabbit holes, unlike watching a TV show,movie or reading a novel you have to be really attentive and put in a lot of effort to know about all the characters involved & understand their evil motivations.There is so much disinformation & the story is told from so many different perspectives, Who are you going to trust?How did the events really unfold? Things are so complex that it might take you years of reading articles & watching news to even begin to understand the "real" plot.
You might say its all a waste of time because "Nothing on the news has any impact on my life" this is where I disagree with you, wasting all this time exploring so many rabbit holes has changed my world view. With new ways of looking at how the world works I can now make better decisions while learning skills or exercising those skills for example one anon mentions how he made money on investments based on news he got from the Stratfor "spy" platform.I do benefit from having a informed worldview, the benefits I get might not be immediate like making money on investments but gradual as the choices I make today that are influenced by my informed world view will matter someday in the future while you uninformed fools will be eating rat burgers & have brain-chips implanted in your skull, I will be leading an underground resistance against the reptilian globalist scum.
John Doe · 2020-11-25 15:44
>>35308
>There is so much disinformation & the story is told from so many different perspectives, Who are you going to trust?How did the events really unfold? Things are so complex that it might take you years of reading articles & watching news to even begin to understand the "real" plot
Are you trying to solve this problem in someway? You are trying to make it easy for other people understand whatever you call "real plot"?
Nguoi La · 2020-11-25 16:04
>>35306
If you don't care, as you keep insisting, you don't care enough to post in this thread either. You're the same retard who spent days telling us not to waste our time listening to podcasts too.
Marly Krushkhova · 2020-11-25 16:20
>>35310
>Are you trying to solve this problem in someway? You are trying to make it easy for other people understand whatever you call "real plot"?
I have thought about being an independent journalist but right now I am working on other projects maybe someday I might start reporting about subjects relating to the projects I am working on. I do not know how to solve the problem of "Who are you going to trust?" I don't think any one source can be trusted in the current news-media environment you just have to live in the state of permanent skepticism.
Spike Spiegel · 2020-11-25 19:26
as an American, I find news to be yet another nuisance with no informational or entertainment value. Plus it's mostly just another venue to shove ads down your throat. I get 100% of my news from whatever my friends say and most of it is forgotten the next day, because it's not important.
Spooky · 2020-11-25 19:34
>>35296
>Nobody lies on their deathbed thinking, "I should have watched more news."
I'll be waiting in line for my Soylent Green suicide movie wishing everyone else watched more news.
>Nothing on the news has any impact on my life,
In some universe where people made an effort to stay informed you're posting the same thing except in a bigger house, with a better car, in your more ample free time.
> There is not much I can do about it is there?
Well if everyone did it we wouldn't have had to suffer Trump and wouldn't have had to deal with 8 years of bush.
>OP I have some bad news
Duh and I'll tell you what else. There are even more because they're supposed to be doing that sort of stuff from a proxy owned by a fake company.
Still the wikipedia current events page is probably of limited interest to these organizations as not long ago it was proposed for deletion because nobody used it. The page is full of stuff you'll probably never ever hear about in the US.
>There is so much disinformation & the story is told from so many different perspectives, Who are you going to trust?How did the events really unfold? Things are so complex that it might take you years of reading articles & watching news to even begin to understand the "real" plot.
Finally someone who gets it.
You don't even need to visit a conspiracy site to find the conspiricy. When you regularly do some research of your own you'll notice who lies, what liars tend to want society to do and think. It's eye opening and frightening.
Personally if I was uninformed I'd never have moved on from numerous soykafty places in life. The wealth gap was barely in the press when it inspired me to do whatever it took to cross the divide before it widened further. Everyone else is still there, I argued with many of them about what's going on. I wonder how much more wealth they have than the day I left them behind?
> I get 100% of my news from whatever my friends say and most of it is forgotten the next day, because it's not important.
Yep and in 10 years you may be wondering why you haven't had a substantial raise in some time, how you're going to ever retire, why your house is now worthless, why you can't switch jobs.
You'll probably find someone in the same position and they'll share the wisdom that has kept them there. You'll probably get advice from authorities local to you, they won't want you to move on, if they're in charge the system is working fine.
Maybe one day you'll be wondering how so many people managed to flee the country before you were pressed into service for some local warlord, no idea why he became important, what he says he's going to do for you, and few alternatives if you don't like it anyhow.
Cutter · 2020-11-26 00:38
>>35317
>In some universe where people made an effort to stay informed you're posting the same thing except in a bigger house, with a better car, in your more ample free time.
It's interesting you think a bigger house and a car are something I should want in the first place. I prefer my smaller house. Bigger houses require larger up front costs and maintenance costs. I saved and paid cash for mine. No mortgage -> no usury -> freedom.
I don't own a car. I don't want one. Cars are money pits too. I have a bicycle, and for longer trips, a train station. It also leaves my garage free as a workshop.
As a result, I have ample free time already. I don't have to spend my entire life slaving away to pay for a big house and a car.
I guess I'm just uninformed though. I should derive my joy from ownership of status symbols, yes?
Emmanuel · 2020-11-26 01:44
>>35317
>I'll be waiting in line for my Soylent Green suicide movie wishing everyone else watched more news.
The average person is significantly more informed now than the average person twenty years ago, in the sense of watching more news and having more and faster access to information. And yet it seems we get nothing out of it... curious.
>Well if everyone did it we wouldn't have had to suffer Trump and wouldn't have had to deal with 8 years of bush.
You seriously think that?
Taking advantage of the ADHD brains of the news industry is how we got Trump in the first place.
>Yep and in 10 years you may be wondering why you haven't had a substantial raise in some time, how you're going to ever retire, why your house is now worthless, why you can't switch jobs.
Who the fuarrrk has a job these days? Incredible privilege to not sit around on your ass stuffing your face with infotainment all day every day.
>>35323
you bought a house with cash? Dang, nice. That's basically impossible in CA unless you're a millionaire.
Crash Override · 2020-11-26 02:14
>>35312
Skimming the thread and typing out these replies took me a few minutes and provided some entertainment. Keeping informed about world events and sorting the truth from the lies-by-omission propaganda would probably take like hours every day and I've got better things to do. The levels of effort are just nowhere near the same.
Zhora · 2020-11-26 07:00
>>35323
Nailed it, neurotics like >>35317 are the end result
of the media cycle - desires and preferences perfectly adjusted, profoundly concerned about The Issues™, and absolutely convinced that, when people make a decision they disagree with, it's clearly because they lacked a critical piece of information generously made available by [media outlet XYZ]. Always a horrific scene whenever there's a large-scale narrative shift and these types crash and burn because it caught them off-guard.
Neuromancer · 2020-11-26 16:24
>>35330
>I've got better things to do
Go do them then.
Roger Pollack · 2020-11-27 00:22
I used to subscribe to feeds from all different conflicting sources. Over time I dropped more and more, at first for outright bias and then for just repeating the mainstream corporate press-release narratives which I still absorb by osmosis from social circles and reddit etc.
These days I mostly go to All Jazeera for international affairs (if you think it's just "terrorist news", give it a chance for a while) and Novara Media for UK and niche politics.
Anonymous · 2020-11-27 00:23
The Trueanon podcast is entertaining and often insightful, but they do make unfounded/unevidenced claims a little too often.
Otto Normalverbraucher · 2020-11-27 01:51
>>35327
>you bought a house with cash? Dang, nice. That's basically impossible in CA unless you're a millionaire.
IDK man, I just looked and found this place for $23,000
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/125-1st-Ave-7-Pacifica-CA-94044/2077121308_zpid/
That's cheaper than a car, and practically ocean front
I could buy that cash today
600sqft is smaller than what I'm used to, but I could probably make that work. Looks comfy.
Unknown · 2020-11-27 10:52
>>35376
That's not a house, it's a trailer and it comes with no land.
>Must apply for the space rental
So it'll be $23000 for the trailer and then $600+/month for the lot, plus utilities. You might think that since it's a trailer you can just move it somewhere else, but you can't just hook these things up to an f150. So, if you ever move you'll have to figure out how to sell it and it'll probably be at a loss. Usually you're better off renting an apartment.
Fred Nurk · 2020-11-28 00:40
>>35323
>I guess I'm just uninformed though. I should derive my joy from ownership of status symbols, yes?
I listed off normal human desires. I also have no car and a modest apartment. You might not want things but at the very least you should want wealth and status for the moments you need it, when you have to deal with the police, the government, your employer, your lender, your landlord. The poor and uninformed have no rights in practice.
You wanna talk about free time?
Fact is before coronavirus my day started at 10am and I left work at 3pm most days. If I didn't feel like going, I didn't go. Because I stayed informed in the past became aware I was getting the soykaf end of the stick and could expect more of it if I stayed. My brainwashed co-workers thought I was crazy for dumping my "good job" and low cost of living to move on to better things. They're still there, somehow unaware of the fact that their kids will have less than a 1 in 5 chance of graduating college going through any public schools in that area. That as long as they're working for that company it's unlikely that they'll be anything but impoverished during retirement, that unless they die suddenly they're probably not going to leave soykaf to their kids.
>when people make a decision they disagree with, it's clearly because they lacked a critical piece of information generously made available by [media outlet XYZ].
Actually I had a job with lots of downtime and I spent a lot of time arguing with people. I fact checked their arguments outside of the news media and, yes they were wrong because of ignorance. It's become quite clear to me what the future holds and nothing will come 'crashing down' when if it's wrong. I'd be pretty happy to be wrong.
I've also been reminding myself not to panic because bleak news sells but I've been setting mental checkpoints ever since the Bush presidency. "I know it's not serious until X happens first". Sadly more often than not X happens. We're now to the point that what might have been laughable a few months ago, paranoid, crazy stuff... becomes a reality only a few months later.
I've been to Russia and China and I can tell you despite how much Americans pretend to love freedom, most of them would be perfectly happy living a middle class life in either place right up until it's their face's time under the boot.
Undisclosed · 2020-11-28 01:41
>>35382
>That's not a house, it's a trailer and it comes with no land.
Trailers are homes. The stipulations were buying a cheap home, in California. I provided you with proof it can be done.
>So it'll be $23000 for the trailer and then $600+/month for the lot, plus utiliites
Unfortunately, from the looks of this listing, lot rent is probably more like $3000 a month,
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2395-Delaware-Ave-SPACE-200-Santa-Cruz-CA-95060/2079953725_zpid/
This merely highlights the fact that it's not the homes that are expensive in California. It's the land and specifically, the taxes on the land.
I bought my house for less than $40K. I own my land. My soil is black and fertile. 5DK with a garage. Low taxes. No crime. High speed fiber internet. I moved half way across the world based on these criteria I wanted. Living rent free allows me to save more, faster. I'm still in the market to buy a place back in the US too, but California is not on the list.
Masami Eiri · 2020-11-28 03:35
>>35413
>you should want wealth and status for the moments when you need it
You seem consumed by news propaganda.
My dad had the largest $VAR business on the US east coast when I was growing up. He would attend political dinners and sit beside the governor. He received gifts from foreign heads of state. My mother still has the handbag Gaddafi gave her.
This isn't a chest puff to show off status though. It's a cautionary tale. All it took was one bad deal in Korea to lose it all. Dad ended up going bankrupt while I was in my formative years. I walk this Earth knowing how few friends I really have. Status and wealth are fleeting. What you spend a lifetime building up can disappear in an instant. None of the big shots missed my dad, or even noticed his absence. He spent the rest of his life working in the corner of a retail store at the mall as a lowest rung regular sales employee, where he worked for more than a decade without promotion or recognition of any kind.
I value self-reliance, not status. I buy only what I have enough cash to pay for and I don't gamble in stocks. I owe no debt to anyone, and never will again. People are lined up in the US now, begging for coronavirus mortgage relief. They are slaves to their debts. I am not and will never again be one of them.
Molly Millions · 2020-11-28 05:42
>>35428
Tell me about your worst job. How about your most tense moment with the police? Was figuring out college tricky?
Jane Doe · 2020-11-28 06:22
>>35424
>This merely highlights the fact that it's not the homes that are expensive in California. It's the land and specifically, the taxes on the land.
The taxes aren't nearly as bad as the inflated land value.
Yu-ichi · 2020-11-28 06:51
>>35413
>I spent a lot of time arguing with people
>I fact checked their arguments
I know you did, friend, I get that vibe. I was like that too as a teenager, and it's never too late to grow out of it.
>"I know it's not serious until X happens first". Sadly more often than not X happens.
We've been on a downward spiral since at least the Late Middle Ages, if not since Socrates. At some point in an adult's maturation process there should come a moment of detachment from the external inevitables, and a focus on growing as a person. Of course, that's getting rarer and rarer.
Naomi Nascimento · 2020-11-28 11:08
>>35413
Anon, I'm glad you have it all figured out, but you seem pretty neurotic and miserable so I'd rather not follow in your footsteps.
>>35424
Yeah, nothing necessarily wrong with a trailer but if you rent the land you might as well rent the structure while you're at it since you're already at the mercy of the landlord.
>lot rent is probably more like $3000 a month
holy hell
Lunch · 2020-11-28 21:16
Avoid MSM in general:
The New York Times
The Washington Post
CNN
MSNBC & NBC
ABC
Bloomberg
All have Chinese business ties
"Examining these financial ties may explain why China is receiving such glowing coverage during a pandemic of their own making."
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/has-china-compromised-every-major-mainstream-media-entity/
Koichiro · 2020-11-30 20:10
>>35448
>Anon, I'm glad you have it all figured out, but you seem pretty neurotic and miserable so I'd rather not follow in your footsteps.
Well enjoy your time maybe in 10 years we'll be talking online. Me talking about why I left and you arguing that it's not so bad as long as you're not dumb enough to insult dear leader without TOR.
Undisclosed · 2020-12-01 11:49
>>35472
>avoid MSM
Why is this always followed by recommending a more biased source? (and that's fuarrrking saying something, due to how shit most MSM is)
You might as well have recommended the Daily Worker.
Lain Iwakura · 2020-12-04 20:19
>>35638
>Why is this always followed by recommending a more biased source?
This is the plan. Come up with reasons not to trust the MSM. Just keep cranking them out. CNN is mediocre and gets worse every year but they're not horrible and they certainly were a lot better 25 years ago when I first started hearing these grumbles that they're biased against republicans, controlled by jews, and people felt the need to remind everyone Ted Turner was married to Jane Fonda. Well now it's China, in 8 years it'll be something else.
This was of course propaganda to get people to switch to the fledgling "fair and balanced" fox news.
The end goal is to destroy any sort of reputation the MSM might want to preserve, get people reading blogs and facebook, get sites like CNN to lower their standards and become more like Fox News and Buzzfeed which of course has happened.
I don't feel CNN is worth my time but it's easy enough to get a mix of news with various biases and perspectives. From time to time do a little fact checking with wikipedia or if you're really paranoid use google books to find some figures. Maybe pull out a calculator and run some numbers.
I hear a lot of folks here complain that this is too hard. It's not hard, especially if you're mathematically inclined, most misinformation is not nearly so well constructed to hold up to a calculator and if you read between the lines the lies and omissions themselves tell a story with very little room for bias.
If the story is unpleasant, depressing, bleak, or enraging nobody is the better man for ignoring it and to say so on lainchan where people piss in bottles and fap to MLP tulpas in threads adjacent to calls for national socialism, fears of government and corporate surveillance, and rallies against censorship... Well you're not all probably the same people but it seems pretty dishonest that as soon as someone suggests making an effort to stay informed it's declared impossible, not worth the effort, not relevant to their lives, or mentally unhealthy to do so. Remind me again how not bathing blocks the NSA engrams again?
Lord Nikon · 2020-12-05 01:35
>>35638
Hoping in mid discussion here but bias doesn't matter as long as you are aware of it and its not just entirely fictional. The enemy camp is often the sole source for bad news about your own side because most wont report about their own skeletons. MSM is not a problem per se. Your own countries MSM is however a problem. Watch a hostile countries reports about your place if you wanna know the dirt about your own place.
Just another Random Lainon · 2020-12-11 18:44
To change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite an abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country. It's a great brainwashing process and it goes very slow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQPsKvG6WMI
Except now instead of trying to put socialists in power and replace them with puppets, they're nudging white nationalist authoritarians into power so they can replace them with puppets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE
Rick Deckard · 2020-12-11 18:59
>>35808
RT is unironically a good news source as long as you ignore anything they say that's related at all to Russia.
Naomi Nascimento · 2020-12-11 21:45
>>35638
I'd like to point out the disingenuous bullshit your pushing. The fact is that the MSM is biased by the highest bidder, and they often all are being bought by the same entities. The "more biased sources" you claim are merely ideological. There's a huge difference. For one, ideological reporting is nowhere near as likely to baldly lie, and furthermore, if you're healthy and not brain damaged, you'll be looking at all relevant players and sides for a complete picture. You simply cannot do this with the MSM, since again they're all playing by the same deck.
Splicer · 2020-12-11 23:18
>>36206
>The "more biased sources" you claim are merely ideological
I mean, it's probably both right? Being "ideological" doesn't make one immune to being bought off.
Koos van der Merwe · 2020-12-11 23:47
I'm not very interested in news personally, especially when it's about something outside of the 100km around me. I read local journals and my country's anarchist new websites
>>36203
imo RT is inherently biased for Russia, even in internationnal news, they'll always describe events in a way that either shows "how much better it is in Russia", or on the opposite "how filthy are these things that happen in Russia as well".
Armitage · 2020-12-12 00:20
Cereal Killer · 2020-12-12 00:46
>>36203
All propaganda websites try to build credibility by being accurate on subjects they don't care about, in order to have maximum impact when it comes time to float a massive whopper, like MH17 absurdities, and the "civil war" in Ukraine (eye-roll).
The Plague · 2020-12-12 08:14
>>36211
"Gell-Mann amnesia effect". Trusting any news is problematic. However, I'll still take ideological over financially or state motivated news any day.
SHODAN · 2020-12-13 09:17
>>34978
Paying attention to most news is nonsensical, almost none of it will affect you materially and the stuff that does impact you're life is always something that you have no control over whether you know about it or not (if you as a single person could influence it then it wouldn't be news). Cramming your head with junk information and historically disconnected "issues" that show up one news cycle and disappear the next, is however a great way to give yourself schizophrenia.
Nobody special · 2020-12-13 16:23
>>36255
Stop having opinions, stop voting, next time you want to make a political post then stop.
Lord Nikon · 2020-12-13 17:52
>>36270
Voting doesn't change anything since you can only vote for politicians who replace other politicians, there's no option to have them all thrown in jail for corruption or have the war criminals shot. The uncollected bureaucracy and donor class holds the power anyway, politicians are just the fall guys.
And yeah don't bother with detailed political posts, you don't change people's minds you just soykaf up whatever thread you start that in. By all means have your opinions but know that they have no value to anyone, not even yourself.
Unnamed · 2020-12-13 20:40
>>36274
Why are you over here lecturing adults about the world? Stop having opinions outside of anime and video games, you don't deserve them.
Emmanuel · 2020-12-13 21:00
>>36214
>However, I'll still take ideological over financially or state motivated news any day.
ideological propaganda is almost always tied to profit. Hyperpartisan content is easier to produce and gets more engagement than minimally biased, honest content, which has made it a nice source of cash for people who don't care about how their hyperpartisan bullshit affects the world.
Judge Fang · 2020-12-13 21:23
>>36279
I can attest to this. Ideologues sounds too nice however, these people are retarded cultists who replaced the church with another corporate made secular deity. You put their logo on a cup and it sells for 5x the price. You say you support their movement and they push money onto you regardless if you sell a soykafpile or actual value. Its the easiest money you can make as long as you can reach your audience. Biggest trouble is there's plenty competition and only so many idiots to exploit.
Jens Hansen · 2020-12-13 21:37
>>36279
So many times I find an interesting video on youtube or wherever, I check the channel and all the new videos are about crackpot conspiracy theories. It's like, I just wanted to learn more about growing tomatoes but I guess that doesn't get the clicks like all this political drivel.
Donna Hawthorne · 2020-12-14 02:44
>>36281
It's a common tactic among propaganda organizations. To make the accounts look more realistic and avoid detection by anti-bot/spam systems, people spend months or years uploading mundane content to have an aged account to sell to spammers who then convert the channel into whatever they want, usually propaganda. Often times, if you search the title of the video, you can find many other similar accounts that have uploaded a video with the same script but slightly different video.
Fred Nurk · 2020-12-14 02:49
>>36315
I unironically work for a "propaganda outfit" (yes, that's what we do. No, propaganda isn't "wrong", it's just messaging in a digestible way). You're only partly right. We actively cultivate many channels across many media, and we sometimes do some mundane uploads in order to "establish credibility" with the algorithms. However, it doesn't take long (days generally, weeks at most), and it often isn't necessary. The biggest way to catch people is careful wording in descriptions, tags, thumbnails, and then cross-marketing it on other media.
Lord Nikon · 2020-12-14 03:33
>>36317
Very interesting line of work. Would you mind talking more about it? I'd be interested in hearing more about what you do and how you found yourself working in that field. Might be a discussion worth its own thread.
>However, it doesn't take long (days generally, weeks at most), and it often isn't necessary.
In your experience, have you ever seen a need for significantly aged accounts? I've noticed in data sets of exposed propaganda accounts, there are sometimes highly aged accounts (years) before they're turned into propaganda accounts, and I know there is some market for highly aged accounts.
Naomi Nascimento · 2020-12-14 03:42
>>36322
I can disclose a little, but for obvious reasons I need to keep some things vague.
>aged accounts
aging accounts is of most use when you're concerned there's going to be real-human analysis of a campaign. You can see this when you look at Russian/Chinese propaganda on Twitter. People use several metrics to group similar accounts pushing the same message, including the message itself (proximity), the creation date of the account (recency), metadata (profile picture, bio, url), and so on. This is most problematic for an actor when there's a real-time situation that's being acted upon, such as on an election day. When you're dealing with dissemination of ideology which isn't time critical, it's generally easier to ignore these constraints.
>before they're turned into propaganda accounts
This is something that is unfortunately not done enough, which is generating "traffic" on an account intended for time-critical operations. We actively maintain many (and I mean many) accounts which basically pump out generic ad messages, and shares of other content, and automatically generated "content". (You'll find it amusing to know that by doing this on a long enough timespan, you can actually accumulate quite an organic following).
Our outfit works on a few key areas: political, commercial, and generic PR. When you see positive discourse around somebody who's done something horrible, you should assume we're part of the push. We also do the opposite, to devalue companies when competitors want there to be some kind of consequence to an action. We actually have a rather large campaign going on right now to advance people of color in the high tech arena (it's being bankrolled by some very forward thinking individuals). Keep an eye on that space and you'll notice some of our work :)
Terzibashjian · 2020-12-14 03:48
>>36322
Shit. I forgot. I found myself in this line of work by initially being in just generic tech, and then going into tech+marketing roles. I was approached at a marketing conference by the CEO of my company who was impressed with some of my work, and he offered me a nice position where I could apply my technical know how and marketing skills. Needless to say, I was really interested. So, we did the honeymoon and it turned out to be a great fit. It's a small team, but with care and (humble brag) a little sophistication, we're able to have a significantly outsized mpact.
Tequila · 2020-12-14 07:22
>>36278
But you're not talking about the world, you're talking about a random collection of meaningless stories curated by people who don't know you or care about you, for the purpose of wasting your time and energy. A fire happening on another continent is not important to your life, a politician in another country being corrupt is not important to your life, a celebrity getting a divorce is not important to your life. You gain nothing from engaging with hyperreality.
Delilah · 2020-12-14 07:24
>>36362
Ok, so we've established your a nihilist. Why not go and pretend nothing matters by yourself, alone, and leave us alone, ok? We don't really care about your döomer bullshit.
Nobody special · 2020-12-14 07:52
>>36363
Because i'm not a nihilist at all, I want people to engage with their own lives and their own personal circumstances because that's what gives life meaning. What I don't want is people living vicariously through whatever news induced fantasy that was created last news cycle and will dissappear with the next. The television is not real, the people around you are, and if you have nobody then that's a problem that the television is distracting you from.
Haruyoshi · 2020-12-14 07:53
>>36372
You've made a much broader claim than that, including voting and politics. That is nihilist thinking.
The Oracle · 2020-12-14 07:58
>>36373
Politics consists of campaign promises that everyone knows are lies, slogans that mean nothing, ads that complete distortions of whatever actually happened. It's endless deception. And underneath it all what is really happening? you tick a box and a politican will then ignore you and listen to their donors for the next few years until they need you do the ritual again. This is not a system that achieves anything other than wasting your time and obfuscating whose responsbile for whatever problems your country has. The most nihilistic thing you could do is take it seriously and engage with it.
Chan Siu Ming · 2020-12-14 08:59
>>36379
Nice reversal, but incorrect and very retarded. You're presuming that there are no representatives that will honestly represent you, which is not something you can actually say since you don't actually know. It doesn't matter who gets into power in the sense that you alone cannot choose, but that isn't the point of democracy, now is it? Who's to say what things would've looked like with, say, a Bernie administration? Saying that it isn't worth participating because it's a foregone conclusion (remember when they said that about Hilary winning?) is, again, nihilist. Stop making everyone feel bad because you can't be bothered to see that things aren't always soykafty.
The Phantom Phreak · 2020-12-14 09:12
>>36400
There is no motivation for them to represent anyone other than their donors. Politicians either get elected or get a cozy corporate job, taking bribes either way. That's the entire point of the system and it's good to acknowledge it. Electing a donkey or an elephant doesn't change the endless wars, doesn't stop the handouts to big business or the rich or the banks, it doesn't do your favourite policy or anyone else's except for the people rich enough to buy the politicians, because that's their job.
Arisu Mizuki · 2020-12-14 09:25
>>36403
How very nihilist of you.
Drifter · 2020-12-14 09:35
>>36407
He may be cynical, but you don't know what nihilism is.
Project 2501 · 2020-12-14 09:37
>>36411
Ah yes, "he" is cynical, for sure. But I'm pretty sure I know what "nihilist" is. it's really cute that you respond to me pretending to be somebody else
Hitomi · 2020-12-14 09:43
>>36412
Very ironic that you'd make such a """nihilist""" assumption. And, no, you don't know what it means, clearly. Nihilism implies that all life is meaningless and nothing has value, and I don't get that at all from simply saying, rightly or wrongly, that politicians are dishonest opportunists. Please, explain.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2020-12-14 09:46
>>36412
No that actually is a different person from me, I was busy in another thread. But he is right that i'm cynical of politics, news, and hyperreality in general. You can choose to not believe us but that doesn't change the point you don't know what nihilism is, or much about politics.
Unidentified · 2020-12-14 09:58
>>36417
>>36416
"Us" lmfao. ok. You do realize that what I said is not nihilist, just realistic. There's lots of good cues to identify you, and you stand out. Lol, ok tell me more about what I do and don't know, please. I'm so curious.
Unsigned · 2020-12-14 10:04
>>36421
Well you identified the wrong guy so you should start by learning how anon posting works.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2020-12-14 10:05
>>36424
Oh you're just so cute when you're mad.
Mitnick · 2020-12-14 10:08
>>36421
>You do realize that what I said is not nihilist, just realistic.
No, it was cynical, which is what you're seemingly trying to accuse the other guy of being.
>Lol, ok tell me more about what I do and don't know, please.
You don't know the meaning of the word "nihilist". Or if you do, you're for some reason choosing to use it incorrectly. I'll invite you again to explain how cynicism about politics has anything whatsoever to do with nihilism.
XERXES · 2020-12-14 10:14
>>36428
>I'll invite you again to explain how cynicism about politics has anything whatsoever to do with nihilism.
If you're genuinely not the same person, you must've just arrived... please consider reading what was said before going on like a complete moron. Please.
Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki · 2020-12-14 10:27
>>36431
You argued in >>36400 that assuming that politics is always a foregone conclusion and therefore not worth participating in is "nihilist". I don't see how that goes with any accepted definition of nihilism. If I've missed something crucial you've said that would make sense of this, by all means point it out.
But all this is a derail anyway; I'm not even defending the other guy's cynicism about politics - you gave the example of Bernie, who I think is a genuine guy who's trying to make things better for other people, but it's nevertheless true that idealists are at a massive disadvantage against opportunists in this system, so I won't blame anybody for not participating.
Otto Normalverbraucher · 2020-12-14 10:30
>>36433
You've managed to read what I said, but nothing of what he did. Very unfortunate.
What you said about idealists, now THAT is cynicism. Not unfounded, but definitely a cynical take. Remember when we said the same thing about Obama (even though he was a pseud...)
Void · 2020-12-14 10:50
>>36435
It's cynical to say that people who want to make sweeping changes to the system will have a lower likelihood to succeed than people who want to continue more or less as-is? Obama was a shoe in for the job, since he didn't pose a danger to any part of the establishment he inherited. Sanders, who's hardly a radical, still is a threat to at least a few of the entrenched elements, so it's to be expected that he will be opposed by the majority of said system - leading to him either not getting close to an election, or, if somehow elected, likely being reduced to a lame duck by constant opposition and undermining. That's not cynical, it's simply an observation of how the system works. And it's certainly not saying that change can't still be effected, though maybe by other means.
Fred Nurk · 2020-12-14 10:53
>>36440
More radical people have been elected. Roosevelt, for instance. Lincoln, who admittedly wasn't radical in the same way, but definitely was a huge threat (and a successful one at that) to the establishment. I fail to see how your argument has any merit...
Dr. X · 2020-12-14 11:05
>>36442
Sure, and Wilson and Jackson as well, but all of those were a long time ago, before the system became as entrenched as it did - funny you should bring up Roosevelt btw, since he's to a large part to blame for that, completing the move away from the Jacksonian spoils system and to the more permanently entrenched bureaucracy we have today. That's where the change would have to start.
Ender · 2020-12-14 11:13
>>36446
This isn't an argument against the possibility. The Confederacy (at least, the constituent parts) were extremely entrenched when Lincoln wiped them out (we're talking hundreds of years of hegemony). If anything, this points to the fact that one should avoid a cynical interpretation because history shows us that is not a foregone conclusion...
Bob Arctor · 2020-12-14 16:24
>>36362
> a politician in another country being corrupt is not important to your life,
A politician being corrupt in another country is definitely handy advice. I can remember guys like you laughing away Putin back in the 2000s.
> A fire happening on another continent is not important to your life
Potentially a good reason to make a trade.
> a celebrity getting a divorce is not important to your life.
If this is in what you consider to be the news then it's no wonder you've decided to be willfully ignorant instead.
>living vicariously through whatever news induced fantasy that was created last news cycle and will dissappear with the next.
That wikipedia current events page linked at the top has stories that have persisted for years and you don't know about them.
You don't even know how much you don't know. I guess that's fine but you need to admit you're dumb and stop having opinions.
Yu-ichi · 2020-12-14 16:31
>>36499
>Potentially a good reason to make a trade.
imagine having so much money that it's worthwhile to do anything besides save or spend
>You don't even know how much you don't know. I guess that's fine but you need to admit you're dumb and stop having opinions.
not them, but yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at and it's a good life. Turns out having opinions is usually a waste of effort for people like me who don't actually have power.
Chan Siu Ming · 2020-12-14 17:05
Lains, don't be one of the thousands of people in hospitals and retirement homes around the world every day thinking "God, I wish I'd had more opinions about the news..." Inform yourselves TODAY!
Dujour · 2020-12-14 18:53
>>36503
not having an opinion isn't as bad as you think, and you can be super-well informed while having no opinion anyway
Elliot Alderson · 2020-12-14 23:08
>>36500
>imagine having so much money that it's worthwhile to do anything besides save or spend
If I didn't watch the news I'd be broke too. The lower classes are bombarded with propaganda designed to keep them where they're at and keep them happy about it.
>not them, but yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at and it's a good life.
>a good life.
>imagine having so much money that it's worthwhile to do anything besides save or spend
Anyhow making a trade is barely any different than saving.
>>36503
>Lains, don't be one of the thousands of people in hospitals and retirement homes around the world every day thinking "God, I wish I'd had more opinions about the news..." Inform yourselves TODAY!
Yeah except my retirement home will be a lot nicer than yours. When we die your estate will go to the company that provided you EoL care and mine will go mostly to my relatives.
>>36510
>not having an opinion isn't as bad as you think, and you can be super-well informed while having no opinion anyway
It's fine not to have an opinion. I'm getting tired of getting opinions from people who haven't read anything except the Turner Diaries, K&R, and My Little Pony erotic fan fiction since graduating high school.
Morpheus · 2020-12-14 23:17
>>36499
>I can remember guys like you laughing away Putin back in the 2000s
Well it's a good thing you were there then to put him in his place. Wait, what's that? You didn't do soykaf? You just sat on your ass reading newspapers? Well good job I guess.
>Potentially a good reason to make a trade.
I can 100% guarantee you whatever article you read was already parsed by the HFT AIs and whatever clever scheme you had in mind has already been priced in. Enjoy your confirmation bias from that one time you made 2% overnight.
Molly Millions · 2020-12-14 23:30
>>36545
hey, i read MLP smut fics, please don't be mean >:(
BloodCat · 2020-12-15 00:16
>>36550
>Well it's a good thing you were there then to put him in his place. Wait, what's that? You didn't do soykaf? You just sat on your ass reading newspapers? Well good job I guess.
to be honest I didn't know what to make of this stuff. I was young and figured that I was ignorant, if I'm the only one alarmed all these experienced adults must know what's going on, but that was wrong.
Most people are idiots and the fact of the matter is that despite what they claim the adults of my youth (B--mers) were given every warning before their various crises hit. Still they walked right off the cliff on global warming and their various credit crises. Now they're all losing generations of wealth on nursing homes designed to wipe out their estates and leave their kids with nothing.
It wouldn't be so bad but now the ignorant masses are getting really dangerous. It would be nice if people were informed enough that when they hear about Hillary's emails, pizzagate, and benghazi that they were informed enough to see through the bullshit. If they can't stay informed it'd be nice if they at least admitted they don't deserve an opinion.
I made this thread because I saw a bunch of ignorant opinions on this site and wanted to see how people might have gotten them.
>hey, i read MLP smut fics, please don't be mean >:(
>I can 100% guarantee you whatever article you read was already parsed by the HFT AIs and whatever clever scheme you had in mind has already been priced in. Enjoy your confirmation bias from that one time you made 2% overnight.
and yet somehow I was able to predictably make money on the disney-fox merger. I was actually worried about automated traders but no. Free predictable money.
I made a lot of other great trades but that one in particular had me worried about automated trading since DIS and FOX are both so closely watched. On that note, what you're imagining is not how automated trading works. Most of the time they're dealing with a curated list of stocks and signals, not every little piece of the market. For the most part I'm trading stocks that nobody is talking about for reasons that haven't been covered in the press from a financial angle. Obviously not in this particular case.
You can open up an alpaca account and get a piece of the action yourself if you think automated trading is some inescapable market force.
Roger Pollack · 2020-12-15 00:18
>>36551
>hey, i read MLP smut fics, please don't be mean >:(
It's ok bud we all have a saturday morning cartoon we'd fuarrrk.
Anamika · 2020-12-15 01:11
>>36554
>Still they walked right off the cliff on global warming and their various credit crises
Yes. And you will do the same. Or at least, your generation will do the same. Don't judge them so harshly.
You seem to think that if everybody had a better understanding of things they would make the decisions you think are right, but that's just not the case. For one, most people are pretty dumb and will make dumb decisions no matter what information they have. Then when you combine all the many independent dumb decisions you get even dumber results. And even if everybody made good decisions (in their own self interest) those decisions taken together lead to bad outcome for everybody. Why should I buy a Prius when the guy down the street has two Hummers? fuarrrk that.
>yet somehow I was able to predictably make money on the disney-fox merger
Called it, there's the confirmation bias. Just ignore all the times you made stupid decisions and focus on that one time you made some money.
Joe Bloggs · 2020-12-15 01:39
>>36545
yeah I'm not particularly rich but I have enough.
>Anyhow making a trade is barely any different than saving.
Normally it is riskier, but with how soykafe the local currency is getting, you're not quite wrong... at least if you're trading for something concrete and useful.
Hong, Guil Dong · 2020-12-15 02:14
>>36545
>>36551
>>36555
>It's fine not to have an opinion.
I completely agree. When everyone is compelled to have an opinion on every issue, that just results in mostly meaningless opinions. It's so bad that there's hardly even a point in having opinions on the latest public spectacle, because every opinion may as well have been enumerated by that point.
>My Little Pony erotic fan fiction
Yes, people like me graduate to writing it. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!
John Rain · 2020-12-15 03:01
>>36550
>>Potentially a good reason to make a trade.
>I can 100% guarantee you whatever article you read was already parsed by the HFT AIs and whatever clever scheme you had in mind has already been priced in. Enjoy your confirmation bias from that one time you made 2% overnight.
Not the guy you're responding to, but this makes the invalid assumption that the news is good news that would spur the reader to buy stock (or options). Maybe you own stock that is going to be negatively impacted because of the news, and so it's time to sell to minimize loss.
>>36323
>>36326
Very interesting, very cool. Thanks for writing that up.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2020-12-15 04:54
>>36560
>unironically writing terrible erotic fan fic of ponies
get out, you're no longer my son.
HELIOS · 2020-12-15 06:54
>>36499
>A politician being corrupt in another country is definitely handy advice. I can remember guys like you laughing away Putin back in the 2000s.
Your point? Whoever is giving or taking bribes in Russia doesn't effect me living in not-Russia, and it doesn't effect most people at all.
>Potentially a good reason to make a trade.
Maybe if you're part of the small group of people rich enough to make money off of it, but the vast majority of people have no access at all to that kind of life so again it's not important.
>If this is in what you consider to be the news then it's no wonder you've decided to be willfully ignorant instead.
there is always celebrity gossip on the news, it could be a marriage or a baby or most likely some actors political statements, it's all the same irrelevant stuff.
>That wikipedia current events page linked at the top has stories that have persisted for years and you don't know about them.
If they've persisted for years without me knowing about them then they probably don't affect me, and I certainly don't effect it, id' know about it if it did.
Linda Lee · 2020-12-15 15:57
>>36569
>there is always celebrity gossip on the news, it could be a marriage or a baby or most likely some actors political statements, it's all the same irrelevant stuff.
No there are several news outlets that have no celebrity gossip.
>If they've persisted for years without me knowing about them then they probably don't affect me, and I certainly don't effect it, id' know about it if it did.
Wrong. You simply won't know why things are the way they are, they just happen. Like trump "Nobody could have known healthcare was so complicated"
I don't know why you're arguing with me. Just agree to stop having opinions and stop voting. It sounds like it'll mean extra freedom/free time/ less worry for you. I'm doing you a favor.
Acid Burn · 2020-12-15 16:43
>>36558
>Called it, there's the confirmation bias. Just ignore all the times you made stupid decisions and focus on that one time you made some money.
No you're just being ignorant again. I liked your other half of the post btw.
I could have talked about other trades. I can even tell you the two biggest ways I lose money, I won't because it would expose me to doxxing. The reason I mentioned a merger is that mergers are events with somewhat predictable behavior and probably represent one of the easiest opportunities for automated trading.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mergerarbitrage.asp
This argument is my limited experience and education on the subject vs your imagination and total ignorance except for the fact most traders don't beat the market and that high frequency automated trading exists.
I don't trade like a professional so there are opportunities available to me that aren't available to pros.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/One_Up_On_Wall_Street/KcJaXu7FVZ0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover
Starts on the bottom half of page 65
HELIOS · 2020-12-15 22:12
>>36587
>No there are several news outlets that have no celebrity gossip.
So you have to go to specific platforms to avoid hearing about the gossip, because you don't think it's important? Thanks for making my point for me.
>Wrong. You simply won't know why things are the way they are, they just happen. Like trump "Nobody could have known healthcare was so complicated"
Whether or not I know about them doesn't change anything. I have no control over those things and "informing" myself about them doesn't help. Why would I waste time deluding myself about things?
>I don't know why you're arguing with me. Just agree to stop having opinions and stop voting. It sounds like it'll mean extra freedom/free time/ less worry for you. I'm doing you a favor.
Yes stop having opinions on irrelevant soykaf that doesn't affect you, don't vote since it doesn't change anything by design. Go outside and live your life instead of fantasizing about being part of some global "community". [spoiler][/spoiler]
Special Agent Bob · 2020-12-16 00:57
>>36594
Have you calculated your returns over a reasonable period and compared it to other indexes/funds? Being lucky looks an awful lot like being clever until your luck runs out. As for me, all my investments are through the roof despite my poor choices and the economy being in shambles. I don't expect it to last.
>>36561
>Maybe you own stock that is going to be negatively impacted because of the news, and so it's time to sell to minimize loss.
That only works if you are the only one to read the news, or you read it first. The whole "buy the dip" method only exists because of idiots who think they can click that sell button faster than everybody else.
Nobody important · 2020-12-17 12:32
>>36323
>We actually have a rather large campaign going on right now to advance people of color in the high tech arena (it's being bankrolled by some very forward thinking individuals).
You guys are ruthless. I can't even get reliable gmail now thanks to this. I assume you are funded by the competition.
Unsigned · 2020-12-17 19:01
>>36830
>ruthless
Not really, we're just effective.
>can't even get reliable gmail
Two things: why are you even using gmail? how does POC hurt your email experience in any way?
>funded by the competition
While I cannot disclose specifics, I think you should rest assured that nobody benefits from a lack of POC, and thus framing it as a "competitive" exercise would be rather hasty, to say the least.
BloodCat · 2020-12-18 03:40
>>36846
> how does POC hurt your email experience in any way?
Because you didn't hire them for their programming ability and their code is like kicking dead whales down the beach.
Special Agent Bob · 2020-12-18 03:45
>>36960
Except they were hired for their programming ability. They do the same tests as everyone else and graded on the same metrics.
t. a google programmer who helps with the hiring department
Fred Nurk · 2020-12-18 03:49
>>36963
This. I work for a smaller company, but we always pass on people who cannot code. It doesn't matter what color they are. We've even been sued for it (legit, very disturbing), but we document everything and proved it easily in court that it wasn't racial. There's a good reason why POC are underrepresented, and it really has nothing to do with their skills.
Unspecified · 2020-12-18 04:01
>>36685
>That only works if you are the only one to read the news, or you read it first. The whole "buy the dip" method only exists because of idiots who think they can click that sell button faster than everybody else.
I get your point but I don't think it's fair to say it only works if you're the first. It's more effective the sooner you read the news, but it's still better to read the news the day off and sell of for a 10% loss than a week later when you're down 50% (numbers pulled out of thin air for sake of example).
J.C. Denton · 2020-12-18 04:02
>>36969
>day off and sell of
day of and sell off *
Zero Cool · 2020-12-18 12:45
>>36846
>nobody benefits from a lack of POC
lol, I thought you were a baddie who was comfortable with it. Turns out you're just a blue pill who thinks he's a hero. I'm sure the competition appreciates all you do anyway.
Random · 2020-12-18 17:49
>>37025
>X are the death of western companies
good.
Morpheus · 2020-12-18 18:41
>>36969
>>36685
Often you are only one of a few who reads between the lines. You'll never get anywhere by reading the financial news, so much of it is bought and paid for.
Assuming you're who I think you are in this thread, I don't think you've invested a penny in your life. These are the exact same attitudes I adopted from working class peers.
Go ahead and get a robinhood account, put $100 dollars in there, and then do fractional trades like it's online poker. Just have fun and don't worry about the losses. When you find something that works write it down, make notes in your calendar, whatever.
Make a 2nd account and put maybe $500 in an index fund and when you're confident you've found something to make money faster take money out of your index fund and invest it until you have a few little projects going on.
If you're investing large amounts of money, then do it sensibly and use an index fund or something like that. .If you're smart you might even make a simulated account to play with but that's so fuarrrking boring. If you don't think you can have fun then don't do it.
Jean Dupont · 2020-12-19 03:45
>>37025
I'm trying to imagine the psychosis someone must have undergone to actually sit down and write this, the psychosis someone would have to have undergone to actually fall for it to the point of thinking it had to be immortalized in a screenshot, and the psychosis you must expect anyone to be undergoing to actually read it for more than ten seconds. There is so much blatant bullshit it's actually kind of funny, if I had seen it when it was new I might've made a full response image for fun.
>GM, a company that was already seeing worse prospects in 2006 compared to 2000, having entered the year of 2006 at 19 dollars on the market compared to entering 2005 at 40 dollars, collapsed in 2009 because they signed a chump change $300m deal in 2006 with an Indian IT firm and not because nobody was buying cars during the great recession
For further context, GM is STILL making outsourcing deals with Wipro, that exact price, every handful of years. They did it again this year. The only way you can fall for this garbage is if you were a child during the great recession, or any of the periods of time these companies failed in, which I'm guessing is actually true for you.
Void · 2020-12-19 04:46
>>37025
>Indians have a history of stealing, hijacking & destroying multinational corporations
If this is true then globalism will destroy itself from the inside because the globalist takeover of the world depends completely on multinational corporations taking control over every aspect of human life.I hope they keep importing more corrupt & incompetent immigrants into tech companies & in the banking sector
fsociety · 2020-12-19 04:48
>>37069
forgot image: super power 2020
The Oracle · 2020-12-19 04:52
>>37069
>>37070
I for one welcome based India.
Tank · 2020-12-19 05:05
>>37071
India > USA
Yu-ichi · 2020-12-19 06:49
>>37062
You've somehow reached peak psychosis by taking it seriously and responding seriously. Congratulations, lain.
Koos van der Merwe · 2020-12-19 06:52
>>37097
it's good to know that posting in good faith is now considered psychosis here.
Cereal Killer · 2020-12-19 12:39
>>37038
I "invest" by buying stock in companies that make in-demand products and index funds. I don't "trade" which is pretty much a zero sum game.
>when you're confident you've found something to make money faster
What you're not going to notice is when you're in the bad kind of risky, where most of the times you make better returns but when you lose you lose big and on average do worse.
Yamaoto Toshi · 2020-12-19 12:50
>>37099
The argument and your response is in good faith. The person you are responding to here is doing that thing in the media where they ridicule and argument to dismiss it.
Anyway, Indians are the most racist people on earth. They have a caste system, and I bet you can guess which caste includes non-indians. The rant despite its flaws still raises legitimate points.