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Hypnosis

Roy Batty · 2020-09-30 23:19
What experience do you have with hypnosis? I watched an Army documentary about treating WWII soldiers with PTSD (available https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiD6bnqpJDE also on Netflix) which included hypnotherapy. I was skeptical but I looked up some hypnosis induction videos and was surprised by the results. When I was willing, I could get to this good-feeling mental state that I guess is hypnosis. The idea is that while you're in this altered state, you are more accepting of suggestions and you're lacking some higher-level cognitive defenses. Like I said, if you asked me 3 days ago, I would have said it's 100% nonsense and all placebo. But some legit groups accept it as part of medical practice in some circumstances (and not just for psychological issues, e.g. for anesthesia and pain). And there is a ton of writing on it both from the 19th and early 20th centuries, in addition to modern research and anecdotal stories. I'm also interested in the idea of "cyberhypnosis" where the hypnotic state is induced through the internet or a smartphone instead of a traditional voice or voice/visual induction. Perhaps this is already being done by Facebook to get you to click more ads. There is also the idea of "auto-hypnosis" or "auto-suggestion" where instead of a shaman or therapist suggesting new thought patterns, you come up with mantras beforehand and do them yourself. Can't find much on this.
Roger Pollack · 2020-10-01 00:06
Interesting. By watching half of the posted video, I realized I've seen this situation somewhere else - and I wasn't wrong. The Master movie is based off this documentary. They used the same from the doc into the movie(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8TGVaJTiw&t=103) "Let there be light" is a hint to actual hidden mental damages a war can provoke on men, the US Army only released this 40s documentary on 80s, if people saw this documentary, the army enlistment would drop, so ive heard, that why it was derezzed. I'm as skeptical as you were some days ago, OP. Maybe by the end of the video or by searching more about it I can change my mind. Coincidentally I was reading about regression(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_(psychology), it has been used a lot around the last century. The Hills from the abduction case have used it to "remember" what they have forgot during their supposed abduction. For what Ive read on wikipedia regression is also applied on those soldiers from the documentary. I wonder what happened to these subjects. I rarely see them being talked about. Was it all compressed into CBT or something?
Nguoi La · 2020-10-01 01:06
>>33046 Yeah, I think some of the actual post-hypnotic “content” that was delivered by people like Erickson ended up in CBT. I have also seen people put NLP and hypnotherapy together just in terms of the suggestions and reframing. I don’t know much about regression stuff. There were high profile instances of it “recovering” obviously false memories. But if you look into IFS (internal family systems), which is kind of like a systematic way of doing active imagination, it has a bunch of stuff about talking to children inside your mind and “reparenting” them.
Nguoi La · 2020-10-01 01:28
>>33048 Also one of the things I noticed in the documentary is how trusting the relationship is between the patients and doctors. They're part of a nation and military hierarchy that just won a war. They smoke cigarettes together. Everybody trusts the system and the new science. It would be hard to have this broad level of trust today. And an existing positive relationship seems to be necessary for hypnosis to happen.
Ein · 2020-10-01 02:08
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Anonymous · 2020-10-02 18:04
Hypnotism is an art form that has been practiced throughout the time by various movements but has always been put into a different context. It has been practiced by hinduist yogis, who see it as a form to "be at ease" and relax. For them it is a way to make best use of the energy body that exists besides your physical and spiritual bodies. One of the earliest practitioners of hypnotism may have been the Daoists from China, who made similar observations to the hinduist yogis and similarly also believed in a duality of yin and yang as a result. For Daoists the induction of the state of Hypnosis was a way to "go with the flow" of nature such that their lives and the ones of those around them would be full of more positive energy. Chaos Magic practitioners, which may sound a bit like something out of a fantasy story, have also developed various hypnotical techniques which they saw as a way to detach themselves from a state of consciousness with the goal to access and utilize the power of the much larger unconscious parts of the mind. They even categorized the different ways in which a hypnotic state could be reached into 3 categories. They referred to the state as gnostic state and divided the categories into... Inhibitory gnosis, which can be summarized as self-induction of hypnosis into a trance state. For which various means are used, such as depriving yourself in such a way that you enter the state and a myriad of other techniques. Ecstatic gnosis, which can be summarized as driving yourself into a delirious state, such as through arousal, drugs, sounds or music. Indifferent vacuity, which can be roughly summarized as induction by boring or tiring repetitive actions. A modern example for this kind of induction might be ASMR which people describe as "relaxing" because the sounds trigger people into getting tired. It may be easier to practice hypnosis techniques on animals, whose hypnotic state can sometimes be achieved as easily as by using your finger and forcing the animal to keep their eyes focused on it. All of these hypnosis techniques are useful for improving your own well-being and can also be employed to induce a state of consciousness for animals and other people. Human children are also more prone to these techniques than adults. More effective than a bedtime story if you want your kids to sleep. There have ofc also been people like Adolf Seefeldt who used this knowledge for malicious intentions. And these techniques can even be used to counteract Insomnia. There is also a different side to hypnosis, which are psychological and neurological techniques used to condition people. A neurological example would be NLP or neuro-linguistic programming. Which covers various techniques that can mostly be employed by individuals to influence their own and other peoples' behavior. A psychological example would be nudging, which is a commonly employed technique throughout all of society to manipulate peoples decision making processes. It is mostly employed by companies and governments and far less often by individuals. Considering that there is currently a transhuman technological branch of neural implants and Brain-Computer Interfaces being researched and developed, hypnosis and psychology may not be necessary in the future anymore. The most astounding case of the application of hypnosis known to me in all of history is the gaslighting of the male gender through gynocentrism. So perhaps the key to develop more powerful hypnosis techniques is by thinking more like women do.
John Doe · 2020-10-04 16:45
I did a Michael Sealey past life regression. >fell asleep/became hypnotised >Became aware when I heard him say, you are now going to experience the moment of your death >was choking for air and panicking >had to pull myself out of it Think I died in a barn fire, terrifying.
Meddler · 2020-10-04 20:15
My primary experience with hypnosis has been through erotic hypnosis. I can attest to it being a very real and different state of mind that can lead to new experiences. But ethically speaking, I recommend you do not go down the erotic hypno rabbit hole, the same way I wouldn't recommend watching porn. It can become very addictive and can mess with your psyche long term. That being said, I find a lot of parallels between hypnosis and things like meditation. Sounds like >>33155 is drawing even more such parallels with the various "gnosis" states. I'm really curious about the anesthetic uses of hypno. It honestly still sounds kind of unreal to me, even as a believer in the general state of hypnosis. I've felt a tiny bit of anesthesia (that made pinching yourself feel like there's no pain there). The stories of women using self-hypnosis during childbirth instead of chemicals are fascinating.