School

So regular school has been out of commission for kids all over the globe. Considering most lainons are internet addicts, would you have liked this online form of schooling? How good or bad did you do in school socially and grades-wise?

Varies a lot, some schools here are doing it well. I would have liked that. But I hear a lot of nonsense about mandatory malware from foreign blogs. It seems pretty hit and miss.

I would like it at lot because I have problems with social anxiety. There would not be any direct social interactions, which would reduce my anxieties quite a bit, although not entirely. You would still need to talk to people via Zoom or some other platform. But in general, I would not mind being online all the time. Socially, not so good. Did not make many friends, nor did I talked to many people. Elementary school was okay I guess, lots of verbal and some physical bullying though. Grades were meh, mostly C's. Highschool was better. No bullying, still not many friends, but almost straight A's. College was weird, did not befriend nor talked to anybody till the end of my BA. After that I met some dude who was okay and we still hang a lot. Cool dude. Grades-wise, finished with an 4.5(from yuropoor country, but an equivalent would be B+ or A-, I don't know exactly)

>>32378 Im not typical to lain i guess. From my view social interaction is the only value of school. Without it it's completely useless because you don't need school to learn anything.

>>32382 >social interaction is the only value of school. Without it it's completely useless because you don't need school to learn anything. Yep, public school's always been daycare for retarded kids, from preschool all the way to the end of high school. After 2nd year of middle school the only classes that taught me anything were music and Spanish for one year until we got a crabby old bitch of a teacher that made learning impossible

>>32382 >>32384 Not quite in agreement. Some of the early parts of schooling are useful, such as learning to read and write. Languages in general are hard to learn on your own, as you need to practice them. Though I never really had any language classes worth anything before college/university. Mathematical education was a mess all the way into our equivalent of college/university. As for social interaction... I'd honestly have been better off without it until college/university when stupidity stopped being considered a virtue by everyone and those who kept believing so went off on their own side to do whatever it is they do.

>>32386 I learned my languages all outside school with the exception of latin which i however forgot again due to lack of use. For the very reason you mention school is not well suited - you need lots of practical application which you don't get in school.

>>32384 I had one good math teacher, didnt tell us do this as i tell you but gave us hints and let us discover concepts like integration by ourselves. Basically helped build you the framework to find your own solutions. The retarded kids didn't get it and blamed her merely for bad grades when they failed to perform. What she did to get away with it next is make one really easy question that counts for 50% of the test and proceed as normal with rest. Next round retards were all smug about getting good grades without even understanding what happened or noticing they still had most of their test in red. Really felt sad watching it go down like this. The good ones don't get any appreciation for the harder path they take.

I dropped out of HS and only years after I underwent a program to get the certificate (I think you'd call it the GED), where I just had to read assigned textbooks and do exams, 33 in total. It revealed to me that I can be self taught and for me it was 100x better because I didn't have to waste time and resources going to school 7 hours a day. I've been self taught ever since. A few times, however, did I for one or another reason step into a classroom, and I noticed that for many students, they can only have their education through authority and coercion. They are so molded by the education system that they cannot work things out in a different setting. I am interested in seeing if there could be a major shift in the way education is conducted from now on. It is no secret that the current education system is a piece of the industrial society, but as industrial society comes comes to an "age of limits", I wonder if the change in educational paradigm can contribute to a general restructuration in the world's societal structures. Now, I have long had the dream to contribute to a different form of education to small, possibly indigenous communities. Hopefully this provides a path for innovation and niches to fill.

>>32378 I'm still in school (grad for master's), I hate it I miss going onto campus despite most of my cohort being international students and the prospects of forming a meaningful relationship is low It's so much harder now that I have to expend extra effort to reach out and try to make friends

so damn glad I decided to take a year off from schooling and work instead. Last spring was some soykaf and would have been intolerable if my teachers weren't so good.

Terrible, I got bullied when I was in elementary school, I had acquaintances but not friends I moved a lot for some reason in my school years. In middle school I was bullied as well, didn't make any friends and went to honestly a garbage school (one of the worst), and then after that I moved to another highschool and yes I got bullied there too, so much so that I was the outcast and socially awkward kid. I try telling my story all the time but no one really cares, I have no one but myself to blame for the things that happened.

School is not for educating or learning, it is there to conform people to the social order as instituted by the ruling powers. By stomping out free thought and forcing children into their reward/punishment loop early on they can produce slaves that absolutely rely on the system and can be controlled by it. I dont see only schooling being any better, rather than using brute force authority and group coercion they will be able to use computers to create a reward loop system. School was hell for me, i prefer to think of it as a prison where you get to go home and get vacation from, but its not much better than prison. I had problems with teachers and students, i made a few cool friends and had some fun once in a while, but on the whole id say they took 10 years from me and turned me into a bitter burned out husk, i guess it would come to it either way. Needless to say i suffered terrible both physically and psychologically, recovered and learned to cope, but its a miracle i survived, i still have post traumatic stress to this day. The only thing school thought me is how rotten and disgusting people and society really are, i listened to all their bluepill bullshit and lies while seeing them being curel and insidious in the way human beings just are it seems.

Of course it's a good thing that you can be anywhere to received an education. There are some concerns, though. For example, if a computerized test contains a malformed question, is there a `report' feature that makes it easy to point out the error? When this happened in the flesh, I would simply announce to the whole class that question n is malformed, because p, and skip it, after which the teacher would look it over then announce that question n is cancelled. (My peers love when this happens, because I tend to announce the malformed question before they start it, and I'm rarely wrong.) Sometimes the teacher is unreasonable, and I stay after class to further explain why it's malformed, and sometimes I have to involve the principle. Luckily for the school, I've never had to escalate the issue further.

>>32419 >I have no one but myself to blame for the things that happened. Assigning blame is usually a pointless exercise >I try telling my story all the time but no one really cares I think most people had a pretty soykaf school experience, so you can't expect them to have too much pity. Maybe yours was worse, maybe not, but there's not much any of us can do about it now.

I have really mixed opinions on this... My school tested the concept of online schooling in the early 2000s, and it ended poorly because they gave every student a computer, which just allowed students to play vidya, and people started using them to pirate music and movies and look at pron and the servers they set up were poorly managed and crashed about once a week, and teachers were given no training on how to "teach" online. One teacher stopped caring and just had us self study the whole course, and he posted all the tests and answer banks so that everyone would pass his class, because he said if we were mature enough to do online classes, we should be mature enough to actually study the material to make us better people and he didn't care if we just copypastad all the answers to the test to pass the class since online tests were mandatory. Luckily our school didn't have the bright idea to get laptops with webcams and spy on students and their homes at every given hour of the day. When I started college, the idea of "hybrid" courses seemed appealing to me, because I could study from home or go about my day, but I still had the classroom interaction once a week with actual adults. By the time I got my degree, it was 100% online, and I felt like it was pretty stupid. I don't know why I paid money to have someone tell me to read x chapters from a book, watch a youtube video, and then write a 10 page paper on something. On the other hand, It was nice not having to leave my office and get dressed, but I might have just posted all my research on lainchan instead of my college page, because the only person who ever read my papers was the instructor. In a way, the harsh realities of social interaction (despite being terrible) in schools prepare people for experiencing how soykafty humanity is. I read an article a few weeks ago saying covid kiddies are going to be more "independent" and better at teleworking in the future, but I think that just like how kids only communicate confidently on social media now, they wont be able to cope the minute they need to actually talk to or work in a group setting with another human being, especially in a high stress situation. Online school is sterile, and while I don't like public schooling, I think that the real world is going to hurt once people can no longer block things they don't want to experience IRL.

>>32378 Wow, I didn't know Japanese schools looked that soykafty!

>Considering most lainons are internet addicts, would you have liked this online form of schooling? Not really. Even though i barely socialized in school, i prefer home and school life to be separate. It must be even worse if you live in a pretty poor household and don't even have a door your room (or even your own room) as a kid and people can just look at whatever other people are doing in your house. I honestly assumed online classes would be simply doing homework and sending it to the teachers via email or something. I do think online classes should stay as an option though. Hope the lockdown has proven that they have a place.

>>32794 In university that is pretty much what online classes amount to and which I found to be pretty nice. Get reading recommendation, assignment, hand-in date. So you can pretty much do your whole compsci course only going to Uni twice per semester (first class & finals).

https://www.lainchan.org/Ω/res/32327.html#33434 >>>/Ω/33434 (Let's see if this is how cross-board references work.) >I was homeschooled for the entirety of high school and most of the 2010s I lived on my PC. I had no money or friends, when I wasn't doing online school I was rotting away reading Reddit or playing vidya. I plan to raise/homeschool my kid(s) wherever housing is cheapest. I know I can guide (I won't ever pressure) them towards interesting hobbies they can do alone, like making art (of whatever medium---not limited to `visual' arts), doing purely intellectual research as in mathematics or analytical philosophy, or enjoying nature, but what about their `social needs?' I mean, I can always hope they're loners like me, or try to have them near-aged siblings (then I'd have to be careful neither dominates another, else it'd be a second hell for them) or locals, or.. Maybe I'd have to figure many trips into the cost of living.

>>32386 english is not a main language in my country, actually my mother language's grammar are far far more different, i improved my english through imageboards and mangas that are translated into english, school in general after elementary was useless, nothing but the same repeats of grammar

18 year old still in school here. You have to have Zoom installed and your webcam on in order to "attend class", wouldn't it be horrible if you get to learn on your own time and be tested on it later instead of camwhoring for free to zoom, google, microsoft, and facebook? It just goes to show how much more they care about control and submission than actual teaching. Aside from that, I don't have to talk to people and get a little bit more time in my day. School left me socially crippled and I'm glad that I don't have to (completely) go through that again

>>33268 Some things that I haven't mentioned >learning is being gamified Students wouldn't learn otherwise. Children are being exposed to technology at such a young age. What with porn, drugs, social media, and now the school system, it's no wonder kids can't read a book without needing special interactive technology which only furthers your need for special technology. The way you're assigned and graded on assignments now is not much different than social media Most of the teachers that I have had in middle or high school are either passive aggressive menopausal women or recent college graduates looking to get some cred then try to become professors. Most of the classmates that I have had are entitled brats with low attention spans who treat everything as a meme. I have no friends only classmates. Perhaps because I think so lowly of them. This has always been the case though and I have sort of gotten used to it. Everything is so fast paced, I feel like I'm being rushed on and on to the next thing whatever that may bemaybe this should have gone in the vent thread

>>33273 >The way you're assigned and graded on assignments now is not much different than social media Edmodo was a commonly used "educational" site that is basically the educational version of Facebook. Literally called a social learning network. >Edmodo is an educational technology company offering a communication, collaboration, and coaching platform to K-12 schools and teachers. The Edmodo network enables teachers to share content, distribute quizzes, assignments, and manage communication with students, colleagues, and parents I feel rage every time I talk with 18y/o about school, because they are reluctant to RTFM after everything was spoonfed to them or they could just look it up on youtube, quizlet, or coursehero. On top of that, it just encourages the same kind of non-personal and fake presentation from other social media. The ones who care about learning are trapped because they cant even escape from school while at home. Interns and new hires I've worked with always tell me it must have been better in the non-online days, the grass is always greener I guess.

>>33268 my mom's a teacher. She frequently complains that zoom classrooms are a waste of time, especially for younger children whose parents have to work and can't be around to make them focus all day. It doesn't help that her profession has been corporatized. The point is no longer to teach children(and hasn't been for over two decades) but in fact the point is to deliver curriculum, which is conveniently provided by a massive industry that creates its own market through lobbying. She spends most of her time crafting elaborate lesson plans to conform to the byzantine standards. More of her students (at age 8) are innumerate and illiterate now than five years ago, and there is no indication that this trend is slowing down especially with covid interrupting normal school operation for the forseeable future. The pandemic in many ways is widening the gap between rich and poor, as the poor are stuck with horrible mass zoom learning while the rich are getting private "learning pods" with one tutor to 3-5 kids in person.

>>33273 >Students wouldn't learn otherwise That's on them , who doesn't want to learn, shouldn't get a diploma. That's about it, no reason for pushing anything else for it. Students who want to learn , will, and they will grow up to be great academics one day in their field, and SHOULD easily get access to high paying jobs in their field. Students who don't want to learn , won't , and you can play your big brother games all you want, they won't learn. We keep lowering the bar and raising control and it should be the other way around ! Mistake we make is letting student's who don't want to learn pass, we keep lowering the bar. Instead we should just raise the bar and that's about it. There are too many people with diplomas today and God knows how they earned it, which devalued diplomas A LOT. It's become meaningless and worthless piece of paper, you got so many collage graduates working in Mc Donalds that its become a meme and a stereotype. >>33268 You're absolutely right, and you are on the right path. Good luck with your studies lainon.