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How much was lost to the Spanish Inquisition? Is it a coincidence they burned almost all Mayan writings? Did these writings contain a rich history of connection between the "new" and "old" world that the Church wanted to erase? Imagine a huge percentage of the worlds population die due to plague, changes in global weather lead to mass starvation, and the elites of the church have more power than ever. Why wouldn't they rewrite history? Been contemplating this a lot lately.

It does seem likely it is related to religion yes. Depends on who survives i guess.

Sorry my OP was kind of vague. What I really want is any more information. It seems obvious to me the "illuminati" (i.e. the Roman church) rewrote history in the 15th and 16th century. What's true? What was history really like? One thing I know is the early dark ages never happened. Hundreds if years of human history taught to this day are mere fabrications. Mathematics shows that. But what else?

They found roman head sculptures somewhere in mexico. Older there's egyptian & even sumerian relics. There are also a bunch of just strange artifacts that don't fit anywhere. On the topic of damage they did a lot more in europe itself. We had religious refugees from egypt that knew the old egyptian language but they got wiped out by the inquisition. Modern history is essentially just fan fiction with a dude trust me stamp from institutions. They take a bunch of real pieces and build their own narrative around it.

>>31571 how the fuarrrk does mathematics show that? I like you OP, you ask questions, keep it up weird though

>>31573 The dark ages being fake is a surprisingly common theory. I don't believe it but theres some interesting arguments for it and its certainly outside the box thinking.

>>31577 Isn't that a mainstream opinion? Meaning dark ages defined as black death & other factors stagnating civilization for a good few hundred years? This culminates in the often spun tale of "if not for this we would be already living in scifi". Pretty sure its what i also heard in school. I believe the less common fringe take is an actual significant loss in technology.

>>31569 >How much was lost to the Spanish Inquisition? Unfathomable amounts... in the grand scheme of things, very little, just as in almost everything else. Culture is never static, and parts of south america still keep true to their mayan roots to an extent. there are a few that survived in museums >Dresden Codex https://www.wdl.org/en/item/11621/ >Madrid Codex https://www.latinamericanstudies.org/madrid-codex.htm >Is it a coincidence they burned almost all Mayan writings? There was a priest or monk IIRC who destroyed all of their "heretical" writings. Thought there was opposition. The inquisition itself was pretty cut and dry. The mayans had already fuarrrked their empire by the time the Spanish arrived. Archeological artifacts of their art show how their culture degenerated due to overpopulation, famine, and over-expansion. History is rewritten on a daily basis. Perhaps the major topics remain unchanged, but the details change regularly for many reasons."Fake news" on social media became popular, but there was always fake history that people blindly follow.

>>31577 >>31580 >>31573 The so called phantom time theory states that Otto III, Constantine VII, and the Pope wanted to be in the year 1000 to show their historical significance, so they invented the years 614-911 by changing the calendar. This is proven by the fact that when Rome transitioned to the Gregorian calendar they only needed to adjust it by 10 days instead of 13 days, meaning 3 centuries of the AD timeline didn't exist. >>31581 >very little, just as in almost everything else I don't think this is true. I believe we lost an unfathomable amount of knowledge. Modern historians like to pretend that the fragments of ancient cultures we have now are all there was. In reality, thats probably just the trash and discarded bits. The Spanish Inquisition burned millions of books and documents. An entire human histories worth.

In the case of the Amerindian empires it's less "history was overwritten" and more "history begins here" due to an imperialist desire to control the population (many groups were big on ancestor worship, so the destruction of mummies could be seen as a severing from their former cultural identities) and the spread of Spanish culture. Records like quipus were actively destroyed and even now they remain hard to decipher. The depth of detail that we have on pre-Columbian American figures isn't nearly as comprehensive as the ones on European ones. It's a lot easier to just pretend something didn't happen and leave it blank versus inventing an entire story (which is personally how I interpret the term "rewrite") from whole cloth, at least without modern technology (take for example unpersoning under the USSR).

>>31569 If such links existed, they would probably have at least some mentions in Chinese and Japanese writings, since they were never touched by the Spanish inquisition. However AFAIK the Chinese were unaware of anything east of Japan and the Japanese only knew about some Polynesian islands. There is a long tradition of western scholars ignoring the rich oral histories of american Indians. This is part of the reason why so little is "known" about them, because nobody bothers to ask. For instance the popular theory that there were no horses in the Americas until the Spanish came was recently disproven. This matches with multiple oral histories. However it is certainly true that there was a pretty significant amount of contact, through the Aleutian island chain for instance. I just doubt it was on a very large scale, since that area has always been very sparsely populated.

>>31594 There is also a great misconception that oral histories are often loosely told, but they were committed to memory very exactly. Although there can be some data loss by people dying unexpectedly/eventual changes, it is still a reliable way to keep information for upwards of 50+ years, which can't be said of most modern data storage. >However AFAIK the Chinese were unaware of anything east of Japan and the Japanese only knew about some Polynesian islands. IIRC the Chinese knew of the west, but did not care too much because they saw all non-chinese as subhumans who existed to serve china >>31592 >I don't think this is true. I believe we lost an unfathomable amount of knowledge. I'm sorry if you misunderstood. While one empire certainly had an almost unfathomable amount of information, think of how much of it was likely just "junk data" of the day to day happenings (arguably the important bits to a sociologist or anthropologist). Here is a timeline for massive global data losses https://www.historyofinformation.com/index.php?cat=27&start=1&end=41 All information is finite, so I said that the records of a single empire matter little on the scale of the earth. >>31593 Many United States campaigns against the continental Indians involved "overwriting" by forced re-education and campaigns to stop the spoken language, essentially destroying the means to pass information on to the next generation. The Europeans also made memes about the "noble savage" in an effort to dehumanize >They may be noble, but still are savages and not people

>>31594 One of the things I've been contemplating is how modern history downplays the events of the 15th and 16th centuries as if they are all so disconnected. You have decades of foreign wars (the Crusades), a horrible plague, the destruction of all knowledge (the Inquisition) and the discovery of a "new" world. I feel like many Westerners don't give these events enough historical relevancy. >>31595 It wasn't just one empire, the Roman Church destroyed an unknown amount of knowledge from the classical Greek period or earlier till their present. Sure a large portion of it may have been "junk" data, but so-called junk data us what we base almost our entire understanding of pre-middle age history off of. One other fact to add to the discussion on the early dark ages never having happened, Muhammad the prophet was supposedly alive during that time. There's very little evidence he existed, yet Western historian's never seem to question that.

>>31596 >Muhammad the prophet was supposedly alive during that time. There's very little evidence he existed, yet Western historian's never seem to question that. A lot of religious history changes, but there are other notable characters who were completely fabricated to justify cultural superiority like Berthold the Black who (may have been a black german/greek, or was black from gunpowder) and was an alchemist who "invented" explosives in europe. Muhammed probably existed, but like most religions, much of their writing might be fan-fiction and not actual source material. The writings of Dante inspired religious perspectives, even though his books are basically bible fan fiction.

>>31595 Chinese scholars tell of several civilizations they consider amazing. Not west as in europe but closer around India & some of the surrounding smaller countries. I don't remember which country but there is a massive city that went under and the only historic record of it is a chinese scholar who visited them. They found the city merely based on his account of it.

>>31598 Various Han scholars wrote of both Byzantium and Rome (Rome however by second hand accounts). They wrote of both as almost utopian places of absolute admiration. Of course they did not know how things truly were but by their histories they were very impressed by them.

what I really wonder is how much will be lost to the coming "dark age"

>>31662 Digital data loss for sure... peoples photo albums forever stuck in the facebooks of dead loved ones. Every site and page with decades of knowledge that 404s will leave a hole. Remember that most modern data formats cant keep data for longer than 50-100 years, and products are designed to fail sooner instead of lasting so new ones need to be bought, that is, unless people use the cloud, which just means data becomes property of the company that wrote the EULA.