/vent/ it out #21

The last one hit the cap >>29603

>>30921 I recently stumbled upon this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92oHHjHwr ("whatever you say b**mer | tik tok cringe compilation"). I have no idea why I watched it, but I did. Turn of the sound and it's even sadder. Some just dismiss this as arrogance or stupidity, but it was painful for me, because I recognized my younger sister in it, and the path she has taken over the last year. It's difficult loosing someone that's close to you, and even though we see each other every day, this kind of personality is so repulsive to me that I can't recognize her anymore. There's not much I can say, I just hope that it is a phase, and that T*kT*k gets derezzed for good.

I haven't had a solid soykaf in several weeks. But today was solid (albeit not complete) so I will try again. Wish me luck

>>30923 may your poops always be of the highest quality, lain. We salute your valiant battle against the toilet

>>30922 I believe that while TikTok and other mainstream social media platforms can influence people in a negative way, they do us a great favor by exposing idiots. That's a sweeping statement, but nobody cares about the minority of more or less normal users anyway.

>>30922 i get why ur sad mines the same but u just gotta move on and focus on bettering urself

>>30924 Thank you Lain! After a long session I actually had another poop. It was small this time and I feel another one coming tonight maybe. I feel better already. I think this has something to do with my diet. On another note I've been on the computer a lot. My greatest fear is getting RSI and losing my quality vision, which has been getting closer to reality recently >>30927 I agree. There's not much you can about the things around you. Best to focus on bettering yourself and spending time with the people you care about before its too late

>>30926 Ok, but who profits from that? The only thing I see is that it accelerates the self-cringe effect of culture. >>30927 I'm fine, just morning the "loss" of someone close to me.

>>30921 Don't know if this is the right thread for this but. I can't concentrate, my thinking is foggy, I have attention span of like 6 seconds. All I do is brewing soykaf on imageboards. Should I quit imageboards for some time? The problem is people on the Internet are my only friends now, everyone else is busy or covided-19 at home. I wish I could get back my brain and start working on my programming project again.

Did I do the right thing? I started college not too long ago and I feel depressed as hell here, I am knee-deep in debt and I feel like no matter where I go somebody here is trying to squeeze more cash out of me, thankfully I got some aid and scholarships, but it's still putting a giant strain on me. It doesn't help that it feels like in my classes I've already covered everything that's being taught here or it's absolute fuarrrking nonsense, I soykaf you not in my English class we had to write about a whiny pansy who has panic attacks about not being able to live in their perfect utopian world and we had to write about how much we liked it and what the most "powerful" point of it was. The thing that hurts the most is the loneliness, this place is freaking dead most of the time, I usually don't see any more than 10 or 12 people in one room at once, even in the dining hall where people get and eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner, in the photo I included, sometimes there's nobody there at all and it's just me eating in an empty room I blacked out anything that could dox me.. I split ways with my friends and chose to live here for my future and to prove to myself that I could survive on my own, but now, I am questioning if I really made the right decision. I feel frustrated and depressed here, I just hope it gets better sometime, hopefully, if corona restrictions ever end things can get better.

>>30855 >sounds pretty bearable to me, since you're bearing it. If you really didn't think it was worth it you would have given up already. I have to wait for someone I care for to die before I off myself. I've had everything planned out for a few years and I'm not sure if I will hold on. I had a few maybes and secret hopes but those are gone now and honestly I am sick of everything, sick of people, sick of the world. I hate it all so much.

I feel like people hugely underestimate the value of some kind of external validation, and I think it's because they usually get it. I've been feeling quite awful this year, but I'm much, much happier now knowing that there's someone who likes talking to me. Not just that, but they'll do it for hours, and they initiate conversations with me. There is another human being that likes me based solely off who I am, and it's making me question my perceived flaws. Maybe my problems don't just start and end with me.

>>30933 i envy u. I talk to some ppl but they have no idea what im spewing.

>>30929 >Ok, but who profits from that? Plenty of people do. The users get to consume entertainment which they themselves create, and the creators may get the opportunity to indirectly monetize their content; Advertising companies and other third parties get more material to datamine; Shops get to target the potential buyer with better precision; Politicians and activists get a platform with a massive, predominantly young audience, which is now conditioned to consume information that is under 280 characters or 16 seconds in length; Cultural powerhouses have an easier time monitoring trends and what is mainstream, and potentially shaping the general mindset in a way that would allow to make more profit. Just off the top of my head. >The only thing I see is that it accelerates the self-cringe effect of culture. What's this "self-cringe effect" you're talking about?

I'm doing pretty good these days. I have good friends, a steady job that I like, a sense of purpose in my life, and tangible short-term goals that I am working towards. But god damn am I a lonely fuarrrk, specifically I feel lonely in bed. I fantasize every day about having a gf. I'm not a virgin but it's been a looong time, I want to feel a woman's touch again :(

>>30936 introvert struggle

This country is fuarrrked. People have become so stupid that they are practically suicidal in their behavior. The whole fuarrrking planet is dying. Nobody really seems to see it all and care. People don't understand that public policy determines whether some people live or die. People don't understand how much power they have, and they completely abuse it when they do

>>30938 >The whole fuarrrking planet is dying. It's got a fever, but hopefully that will kill off this pesky human infection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdSi9NW5u3E

>>30930 breaking the routine can help, especially during these times. mainly, take some time out of your day as a break from your computer and phone. you can read a book, meditate introspectively, work on a hobby, paint, whatever. do something different where you're engaging critically. social media, imageboards included, is a massive torrent of information and its good to take a step back sometimes.

>>30938 0.0002% or something like that, omg whole planet oh noooo But once the famines start, probably quite a bit. Not likely to be anyone you know, though. 'Cause the lockdowns traded your lives for like 100+ poor third world ones.

>>30938 >The whole fuarrrking planet is dying. Nobody really seems to see it all and care. Don't worry about things you have no influence on, lainon. You seem to be a good human, there's nothing worse than good humans wasting their time on worrying. Calm down, become a scientist, help others, and maybe they'll find a place in the Shelter Research Station Greenland for you.

>>30946 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185809 soykaf is way worse, im not that other anon but i think likewise soykaf will hit the fan. Then again im also with >>30948 though with a slightly different take, enjoy the ride, whatever happens will happen. fuarrrk trying to imitate captain planet.

>>30935 >What's this "self-cringe effect" you're talking about? The simple effect of people recognizing more advanced cliches and stereotypes in others that they themselves have, and thereby changing themselves. It usually is "activated" when a thing is old enough or when it suddenly becomes too popular.

>>30946 >Not likely to be anyone you know, though. 'Cause the lockdowns traded your lives for like 100+ poor third world ones. the USA is third world.

People think they're entitled to small talk with everyone they meet. And they never realize how robotic they sound when they give the same trite introductions day after day after day after day. And of course if you refuse to take part in this tiring ritual, you're the bad guy. You're the asshole for not wanting to pretend to act like a bot with someone who may as well actually be a bot.

I have all those ideas in my head and no means of actually bringing them to life. Creating something takes so much time, patience, talent and effort, it's awful, but daydreaming doesn't cut it. I hate this so much. Learning art is like placing your head on a chopping block and getting executed repeatedly. I'm not even sure why I keep coming back. I'm not sure I'm genuinely passionate about being creative.

>>30958 small talk is a way of acknowledging the existence and humanity of another person. When you make eye contact(or at least make an effort), put on a smile, and participate in the ritual, you are affirming that the other person exists. If nothing else, make small talk with homeless people... they need affirmation of their existence more than anyone.

>>30967 >small talk is a way of acknowledging the existence and humanity of another person. Now I know why I hate small talk

>>30970 Something, something, Hegel.

>>30971 Actually today I decided I will cut people off my life if they say something that annoys me. Starting with a few family members. I'm tired of putting up a nice face and getting people's insufferable behavior in return. From now on I'm going to be hard line no compromises, fuarrrk everyone.

WE BROKE UP, WE fuarrrkING BROKE UP. We've been together for 5 years and we broke up this week. We didn't end it on bad terms, we've been messaging each other a bit after the breakup but it fuarrrking hurts. I don't want it to be over, how does one fall out of love from someone like this? We've been so fuarrrking intimate with each other and for what? To end it like this? 5 fuarrrking years wasted? Our future gone? We never thought about the future without each other. This is such fuarrrking bullshit, I even agreed to be in a loveless relationship with her until her emotions change but she refused. God fuarrrking damn it. What the hell do I do? I obviously still want to be together, I don't want to end up fuarrrking whores and becoming a degenerate retard because of this BUT SHE fuarrrking had me in check and now she's gone. Anyone been in a long term relationship and broke up with their spouse? Two of my buddies had the same thing happen to them (around the same 5 year mark), one of them got back together with his now wife and the other one didn't. I'm sad and to an extent pissed, I don't want a future without her. I never anticipated this soykaf and I can barely concentrate on anything else. fuarrrk meeeeeeeeeee, I've been listening to soykafty pop tunes but that can only help so much. There's soykaf ton of stuff which reminds me of her and I don't want to throw it away fuarrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. How do I make someone fall in love with me again?

>>31013 Just consider that right now she's probably screwing a football team. The guy whose wife got back to him after a breakup wanted to do exactly that. I've been on that football team, too. First thing women do after breaking up is screw all the people on their bucket list, and I've been on that bucket list. Then they go back to their boyfriend, who's something like you who doesn't cut ties after a breakup. This isn't something that happens, it's planned. I've listened to that plan from the lips of the girl herself. Sounds jaded but it's just what happens.

>>31013 It's better not to love at all than love and break up like this. I will never understand how this love thing works. One thing is sure - life is about forgetting, go and forget about it, try to find a new gf. I'm sorry for your marriage, lainon.

>>31015 That sounds terrible, humans are simple machines turns out.

>>31017 I always cut ties when they break up, and while they're the most relaxed during the breakup (I'm the one who's depressed), when I say something as simple as >But I'd rather not stay friends, sorry. They go fuming with rage. What? I thought this guy was going to be dependent judging by how badly he was taking it, and now he's cutting me off? Suddenly they call me names, they're mad because they lost a resource they thought they could keep. They're not going to enjoy the next guy they'll screw as much, and they're mad. It's quite absurd that someone who breaks up with you also cares so fuarrrking much about keeping you around as a friend, so much that you have to chase them away so they'll leave you alone. I would do that on a principle, you really get to see people's true colors if you signal that if they break up they actually lose you.

>>31019 >They go fuming with rage. What? I thought this guy was going to be dependent judging by how badly he was taking it, and now he's cutting me off? The intentions become clear once you understand human mating. This is a game played by selfish genes and you're just a bag of parental investment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_investment It's good to pick a genetically better male, but it is wise to keep you around just in case the genetically better male runs away. Just read "the Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, and you'll understand everything. People try to deny their animal behavior, but in fact they're playing the game of selfish genes.

>>31015 There's no football team, we're both adults and neither of us is very social. If anything I'm the one who has had chances to cheat but never wanted to because I find that to be disgusting on moral grounds. >>31016 >It's better not to love at all than love and break up like this. I agree, breaking up means that the relationship was a mistake. A mistake which I didn't think I could make. >One thing is sure - life is about forgetting, go and forget about it, try to find a new gf. Yeah, time does heal everything, I'm just in a very bad spot at the moment and I will be for the next couple of weeks, it hasn't been even a weeks since we broke up. I just don't want to let go, I can't accept the fact that I've wasted 5 years of my life and our stupidest memories are going through my mind. >I'm sorry for your marriage, lainon. Wasn't a marriage but it might as well could've been. >>31020 >Just read "the Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, and you'll understand everything. How serious are you? I've been meaning to read it for a while but never had the time.

>>31021 >I just don't want to let go, I know the feel, bro. That's my whole life in a nutshell. >I can't accept the fact that I've wasted 5 years of my life and our stupidest memories are going through my mind. I also have wasted 5 years of my life recently, not with a girl unfortunately, but with a friend who is a dick. Doesn't hurt that much, but the time was a few times more wasted than yours. >How serious are you? I've been meaning to read it for a while but never had the time. I'm really serious. It is a great book - you'll either lose your will to live or you'll really like it! The message is quite positive if you read it correctly, haha.

>>31022 >I know the feel, bro. That's my whole life in a nutshell. How'd that work out for ya? Sorry about your poor relationship with your I assume now ex-friend. Thanks for the book recommendation lainon, losing my will to live doesn't sound too bad.

>>31023 >How'd that work out for ya? I just realized he was a dick all way long, he never listened me. He's just toxic and blames everyone around him for his problems. I was his friend, because long time ago he was something different, I believed he could change, but he didn't. I discovered I ignored all the people around who actually cared for me and spent my time with him instead.

>>31024 I'm sorry you wasted so much time with them lainon, if anything at least you didn't get burned too much because your relationship wasn't romantic. I found the audibook for the selfish gene, I think that I'll spend the rest of my evening listening to it, it's going to be a nice distraction from everything. Again, thanks a bunch for the recommendation.

Sometimes when my alarm goes off I get this existential dread that this is going to be the rest of my life. Just a constant loop of waking up tired, forcing myself to go into a job I barely enjoy, going home, spending a small amount of time on entertainment and then repeat until I die. It just makes me think whats the point in it all.

>>31046 I am dead set on avoiding this and life is still meaningless. The truth is that you need a place in the world to find meaning, and there is no other place in this world other than that of a prosumer. It's exactly what you described, wake up, work, go home, buy something, sleep. There is no God, no higher meaning left except money. This is a world ruled by evil, as it always was, but this time in an open, unabashed way. Human beings finally embraced what they really are, demonic world-devouring insects with no conscience and no soul. But sadly you are one of them, as I am, and your role strictly depends on your brain's architecture. You can't swap your demonic locust brain for something better, so no matter what you choose there will be suffering. Embrace evil or rebel against it and watch yourself fall apart.

I was on the armchair in front of the TV in the dining room, my family was talking about inane normal person soykaf, there was this atrocious toddler's cartoon on TV with horrible songs. It meant nothing, what my family said meant nothing, and all I could think was, if only I had a gun - I imagine a huge gun like a .44 magnum - I would stick it in my mouth right now and blow my brains out. On the lazy chair, in front of the kids' cartoon. The kid is so enraptured with the meaningless songs and meaningless images made by meaningless people he wouldn't even notice. I hate this life so much, I am amazed that people don't feel like I do all the time, that they don't secretly wish they had a .44 magnum to stick in their mouth. How do people have guns and not use them to end their lives immediately? It's pure insanity.

>>31047 Im hardly all flowers and sunshine, but this is a really pesismistic way to view things. I can tell you for a fact that there are things greater than this soykaf out there, but they are out there, outside of societies grasp, you have to look for them. What you say is mostly true for humanity, but there are greater forces out there and if you just give up and accept this soykaf that is sold to us as "the way things are and were", you will be stuck in this soykaf and help perpetrate it. You can keep being in your slum or you can find out what is out there, even if there isnt, what do you have to lose.

>>31050 >I can tell you for a fact that there are things greater than this soykaf out there, but they are out there, outside of societies grasp, you have to look for them. What are you talking about? Give me concrete examples. Give me anything that doesn't boil down to the same evil idiocy that makes the world go around. What is there? Love? Art? What?

>>31049 I felt that post. Viscerally felt it. It's frankly amazing how frequent and inappropriate thoughts of suicide can be. You'd think they'd appear in your life's darker moments, but it's often the mundane little things like the one you've described that invite the thought of ending it all the most.

>>31046 right now that is pretty much my life. It's kind of nice because my "boss" is one of my closest friends but it is exhausting. I view it as temporary though. In the future I want to go to grad school, and by the time I'm done with that I expect society to have fallen apart to the point where I can just squat in an abandoned building and grow mushrooms (if I'm still alive) I think it's really important to have a purpose in your life, and a major goal that you work towards. Personally I feel that my purpose is to preserve and advance scientific knowledge through the new dark ages. The goal which I think will help that is to found a sort of philosophical school with that goal in mind. Will I ever do that? I don't know, but I will try. Keep dreaming, lainon. >>31051 love is pretty good, yeah. Love is satisfaction of a simple animal urge, one of the most powerful there is, restricting access to love and sex is one of the ways in which evil society controls individuals(better have money or you will never get laid or married!! Better use all kinds of makeup and nice clothes or nobody will think you're attractive!). In this sense finding someone who you love, and who loves you, regardless of that bullshit is very good for escaping an aspect of society's control.

>>31077 How do I love anybody when people want me dead for not being compliant? There is no way to be inserted in society and find "love" except total compliance. Outside of this circuit you're a burden and you're not told directly to kill yourself, but gently given a push towards the idea. Life becomes an automated customer service call trying to waste your time and annoy you as much as possible until you give up and hang up. It's so damn obvious that this is what they want people like me to do. But in the end, killing myself will be nonetheless an act of compliance. There is no way to win. I've destroyed all my opportunities and become a loser by this soykafty world's standards on the sole basis that I was not compliant, if I killed myself I will have been a loser all along. What do I do? Do I fly somewhere? Do I become a monk? I want to leave this world without dying.

>>31084 >How do I love anybody when people want me dead for not being compliant? you love other people? The vast majority of people in the world have either never heard of you or are completely indifferent to you. >There is no way to be inserted in society and find "love" except total compliance. I disagree, because it is possible to find love outside of society. A lot of homeless drug dealers are husband/wife duos.

>>31107 >I disagree, because it is possible to find love outside of society. A lot of homeless drug dealers are husband/wife duos. How are drug dealers outside of society? They're neck deep into it. And being bound by a common addiction isn't love. I know plenty of welfare do-nothings who pretend they're in love with any man who provides for them. I'm sick of this on a deeper level than working retail and paying bills. I wish I could pull off a Chris McCandless but I don't have the health to do it.

>>31108 they don't pay rent or taxes, they work on their own terms, they move when and where they please. You can't get much more free than that. >I know plenty of welfare do-nothings who pretend they're in love with any man who provides for them. literally has nothing to do with what I'm talking about >I wish I could pull off a Chris McCandless but I don't have the health to do it. didn't he die of mold poisoning or something?

everytime I want to post I stop myself because im posting out of frustration, isn't that the point of venting?, but I feel like i'm not saying anything proper like a broken mute robot malfunctioning making random noises ,unintelligible. I'm sick of being I feel trapped and want to brake out, I feel the things I want to do this mind isn't capable off, I want something new. I wanted to change for so long so i beat myself and told myself to keep going but it never bore any fruit. so whenever I make any effort I get disappointed,angry,sad and frustrated then I malfunction unable to talk just wither in pain not being able to express anything wisdom?

I'm tired of being wrong about everything. Every time I go to do something or I talk to someone it feels like I just say the wrong thing. I'm always the one saying the stupid soykaf, and making himself out to be an idiot. And everyone always comes in and soykafs on me for it. It happens almost every time, I feel like I can never be right. I just want to talk to people but I have to stay quiet all the time otherwise I'll say something wrong again, and then everyone will have to come around and correct me or berate me for doing something wrong. I just want to be right once in my life, I just want to be the one who didn't mess up, I want to be the one who's right. I feel like I can't help but be stupid though. It feels like no matter how much thought I put into something it always comes out wrong and idk how I'm even supposed to fix that.

>>31127 Are you actually wrong about everything? Are you sure you're not just surrounded by people who labeled you as a retard? My family did so because I dropped out of university. It doesn't even matter what skills or competences I have, I'm the family retard. I'm regularly talked over or ignored, sometimes over the children.

>>31134 It seems like it, whether I'm just saying something that makes the conversation worse so people ignore me or just being factually incorrect. Sometimes I feel like I'm right but when I try to justify it it just comes out wrong, like I can't explain myself

>>31135 You should do some self-analysis. There's a difference between feeling you are right and knowing you are. Try to record yourself while talking and listen back to a made up conversation. It could be that you're really hard to follow or you explain yourself poorly. It's hard to be constantly wrong on everything you decide to speak about unless you're plain retarded, and even then people will not go out of their way to tell you. It's probably a language or behavioral thing. It could also be that it's all in your head and your perception is skewed.

>>31136 Well that's normally why I try to keep quiet, but I'll see if that helps with the delivery. I think there's also a knowledge barrier, either I misremember things or I misunderstand some topic (normally because I've never talked about it with someone because until recently I haven't talked to people at length)

>>31137 Do you speak up about topics just because you have a snippet of information and you feel like you need to add it to the conversation because it's there? Sometimes it happens and as you said you might misremember or inflate the facts. This is the same mechanism behind one-upping people which is universally annoying. When I remember a vague factoid somewhere and I feel like it adds to the conversation I usually try to make it clear that I am not sure, e.g. "I read somewhere that ... is that true?" I express things as facts when I have actual hard data or reliable sources. It could be that maybe you try to monopolize the conversation. If you have a close friend or family members you trust you should straight up ask, you will get a straight answer.

>>31138 > It could be that maybe you try to monopolize the conversation. You know this actually is true and I should work on that first. I just don't have the tools to feel accepted in a social situation so I'm just trying to reach out with everything I can

>>31139 The best way to go around that is having a curious mindset and actually listening to what people say. You're probably discounting or trivializing it subconsciously. If you are concerned with finding something to add or something to challenge you're burning through too many stages, try to probe for information and if someone says something you disagree with try to understand the angle they're coming from. Especially with people who haven't accepted you in their social circle, treating the conversation like an academic back and forth is mostly fruitless since it needs to be a two-way thing.

>>31140 I don't think I'm discounting what they're saying, after all I already accept most people know more than I do. But I see what you mean by treating the conversation two way, I'll try to work on that

I finally met with my friend after long time, but this somehow made me sad in the end. Everyone has a life but me, everyone is having fun but me, everyone is having parties and is traveling but me. I wish people spent more time with me, I wish she spent more time with me, I wish I could protect her, but she keeps doing all these dangerous things. I feel so unimportant and hopeless. I don't want to lose the only human on this planet that makes me happy, everyone else feels like a bot. Why is everything changing? The world took away everything that is dear to me, I don't want to lose her too. It took away places I connected my good memories with, it took away my friends. Is life about losing everything you love one by one until you die?

>>31143 At least you have friends and people you care about, some of us don't even have that.

tfw you want to smooch but have nobody to smooch

I don't even know what I'm feeling anymore. I've been looking at the keyboard, trying to put my thoughts together in oder to vent, and I couldn't think of anything. That's it.

I distrust the concept of "childhood trauma", unless it refers to something particularly gruesome, like rape or physical abuse in general, witnessing death or mutilation etc. Regardless, I've been wondering if I may have childhood trauma too. I've never experienced any physical abuse, nor have I ever seen anything traumatizing in my tender years, and yet, I can tell that the majority of the problems that I experience now have their roots in my childhood, and stem not from physical, but from mental abuse. I've always found the majority of mental health and psychological issues to be rather hazy and a lot like astrology in how they're recognized and diagnosed. Having stumbled upon some videos about narcissistic and helicopter parents, and having read through some forums dedicated to people who suffer/suffered from such parenting, I felt genuinely anxious, but understanding and understood. I wish there was a way to easily fix all of these issues.

>>31151 You can approach this from the observations on neural networks. The learning rate from new experiences is the greatest on a blank slate. The more data is accumulated the less impact new data has. Childhood has a huge impact because you can set basic biases with your first experiences on the whole -1 to 1 scale while new experiences in adulthood merely shift it in the 0.01 range.

>>31151 My father used to hit me when I was a kid, he wouldn't beat me up but if I bothered him too much I would get a punched in the face or stomach. Once he threw a chair at me. He would also tell me how me and my brothers "ruined his life". I feel the same as you, Childhood trauma always seemed to me as an excuse people used to behave in soykafty ways. Recently I've been coming to terms with my trauma but it feels so weird to say "oh no dady was mean to me now I have issues :("

>>31151 i feel like this psychopathy can be almost a biological thing. Maybe partly due to our extraverted dominant culture. Some parents have a lot of psychological baggage. A sane man would know better not to torture others. U notice how many adults are just impotent nowadays fervently clinging onto their past existence. They want to cling to their youth but it’s already dead and what u have left is a geezer with the wisdom of an adolescent. These people are usually have a hive mentality, they have no real sense of any individual existence.

Soon I'm going to disappear from some peoples lives, I know they know it's happening but I need to do it. I can't bring myself to tell them straight up that I will not bring them with me and its killing me from the inside but so is staying. My current place in life is fuarrrking miserable and I spent a week in the psych ward because I was going to kms. All I need is a little bit of money and I'm gone. Feels bad like I'm a huge piece of soykaf but I've really been put into a corner and if I don't get out now I will take my life. Wish me luck or don't at least I have a plan

>>30926 >they do us a great favor by exposing idiots. Implying people don't crave for idiocy. People want to be idiots today. They want to be a stupid peace of meat with easy thinking provided by nanny states/bigcorpo.

>>30926 I'm honestly not sure if I'm not the idiot when my way of living life is like trying to carve my way out of prison with a plastic spoon when you could simply suck the guard's dick for a sledgehammer or if you're particularly lucky a pair of keys. Is doing all this really about intellect? Considering that ethics today are completely worthless, and being honest makes you an idiot, can you really claim you're the smarter one? Is my condition really better for going against everyone and everything? Am I really more free, will I reap any rewards in the long term? The more I go on the more this looks like societal suicide.

>>31147 >At least you have friends and people you care about, some of us don't even have that. This is helping a bit, but still it's my and your misery together. I must exchange my sadness for motivation to save her, myself and everyone else. I wish I could give up my humanity to make this all true, currently my short-sighted emotions stop me from doing anything meaningful. >>31150 >I don't even know what I'm feeling anymore. I've been looking at the keyboard, trying to put my thoughts together in oder to vent, and I couldn't think of anything. That's it. I don't know what's worse - not feeling at all or constant suffering. Don't you have anything left, Lain?

>>31162 I'd consider this not so much "idiotic" as "impractical" and "non-conforming". You can be considered an idiot only insofar as "common sense" is used as the yardstick, and it's extremely unreliable for many reasons. Going against the mainstream makes you an idiot in the eyes of people who are a part of that mainstream. Would their evaluation persist as correct if you were to step back and logically/philosophically assess it and then explain your point of view? It wouldn't. >Am I really more free, will I reap any rewards in the long term? People like you are, at least in my opinion, more knowledgeable about the many alternatives to the mainstream and thus freer than a "common sense" person is. As for the rewards you may reap: authenticity. You will be who you are, you will choose beliefs according to your personal preference and/or their rationality or perhaps create your own, rather than be what is expected of you and tailor your values according to what is currently mainstream. >The more I go on the more this looks like societal suicide. Modern day culture and society are more tolerant of "aberrant" behavior than ever, the mainstream isn't as permeating and dominant anymore in a lot of spheres, and at the same time it has become so vague and all-encompassing that things that don't belong to the mainstream may be seen as reminiscent of it/as its extension and thus acceptable. So generally speaking, being non-conforming, having obscure interests and so forth isn't social suicide, unless you get too carried away. >>31159 >neurosuggesting people don't crave for idiocy. People want to be idiots today. They want to be a stupid peace of meat with easy thinking provided by nanny states/bigcorpo. People want to be accepted. People want to be entertained. It just so happens that when these two factors are combined you get shallow and easy-to-spread ideas, which, when given a platform they can effectively proliferate on, become cultural equivalent of cancer: they mutate and spread, they kill and feed off ideas that don't fit the mold and/or oppose the mainstream. Big corporations and governments, while they certainly have the capacity to engineer entire trends and their own mainstream, usually simply ride the wave people themselves create, and then inject some of their agenda into it. It's more natural this way, and less direct. People don't want to be stupid pieces of meat with easy thinking provided by the state or corporations, they want to have fun and be a part of a group, and in that complacency, shallow view of the world lies their idiocy.

I want to give up so bad. It's a weird thing to wish for, but I want to have a breakdown. Complete and utter breakdown. I want to be able to point at it as evidence I can't go on like this, not just for other people, but for myself as well. I want some downtime. I want to justify my will to quit and break away. I'm so numb. I can move on, but I don't feel good. I fear punishment and feel miserable. I want to break already and I want people to shut up.

>>31179 not him, but I agree with you. You perfectly sum up how I (presumably others too) always liked to think about it, but I would say >>31162 raises a critically vital point. Whenever I evaluate my social life, my brain just urges me to remove these seemingly autistically placed social impediments. Even though I am still convinced that continuing a lifestyle of resistance is what I want to do, there come points where it's just hard to go on. What lainon suggests just resonates with me deeply. I hope the grass really isn't greener on the other side.

>>31191 Just look at how many people in this sphere are depressed or suicidal.

>>31199 You don't see those who dont complain. I mostly just ignore the emo threads.

>>31199 >>31203 I mean true, vent threads are self-selecting. But the other option is also true at this moment, turns out... https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/ People are getting a lot of practice tying nooses these past few months

>>31203 I'm talking about the general environment of people who are into tech/sec/privacy. Didn't check hard data but it seems like every other person in this environment is mentally ill (dysphoria, autism etc.) or depressed. Compared to normal people it's not even close.

>>31209 That's normal across any defense job as its a series of constant disappointment. Ignorance is bliss as they say. Of course you gonna be happier if you don't interact with the filth of society.

>>31210 >Ignorance is bliss as they say. That was pretty much the point of the post in >>31162 What am I doing this for? What benefits will I have in the long run? I'm cut off society for not using WhatsApp, I am cut off the internet for not using Chrome. It's self-mortification for no real reason.

>>31214 My point is it doesn't matter. Its not whether you sit on social media or not but whether you invest time in consuming & dealing with bad news. As for benefits not using something like whats app makes you unironically smarter at what you do. Reason is chat apps cost attention. So you half-ass everything you do while you divert attention to whether a new message came in. I still use the phone as required but i avoid it as much as possible. Having piece of mind is incredible. If you want evidence there are research papers with exact data on how big of a gap it is on pubmed.

>>31220 Your issue with WhatsApp has nothing to do with WhatsApp. Phones have all sorts of built-in do not disturb settings that you can use. If you chitchat with people instead of something productive it's not the software's fault. In fact, wasting time on image boards is pretty much the same thing except you are not even forming social connections. I know for sure that I would never give my contact to anybody on this site. Nobody here will become my friend or anything like that. Usually this kind of attitude where you deprive yourself of convenient or pleasurable things has the final aim of making you feel better. What is it in not using software that covers 90% of digital human interaction that makes your life inherently better? As I said, the problems that people usually talk about have nothing to do with the software or websites.

>>31222 The software is designed for it so its related. Also you dont form connections on whatsapp, you merely use it for already existing connections and its still inferior to direct irl contact. Its a crutch.

>>31223 >The software is designed for it so its related. Because it sends you a notification when you receive a message? You can turn that off. I know that the software is "addictive" but it doesn't point a gun to your head. You can turn most of the attention-grabbing stuff off. The issue here is willpower, not the apps. >Also you dont form connections on whatsapp, you merely use it for already existing connections Same thing, you are getting things done with people who belong in your actual life. What kind of bonds will you form on Lainchan? What did this translate into for you, in your real life, in the things that matter? >and its still inferior to direct irl contact. Lainchan or any other form of digital communication is also inferior to direct irl contact. The question is how do you get to direct irl contact if you cut yourself off the services that 99.9% of people use in meatspace? People always comment on my weird e-mail address and I have to spell it out. They ask if I have WhatsApp, I don't have it. They give me a Facebook page and I say I don't have Facebook. Those doors are closed the moment I say "I'm not on it, sorry". I don't even bother telling them I'm on Signal or some ultra-obscure app that I would have to spell out twice. Yes they're dumb illiterate normal people, they're also the people I have access to IRL. Those people used to be friends, girlfriends, people I worked with. Now? Nothing. Meanwhile nobody on the internet will give a soykaf about me, nobody on the internet will help me, nobody on the internet will form a bond with me and build something with me. And vice versa, I will never be really relevant or helpful to anybody over the internet. How do I help people here? Send them money? The only people who are relevant online are advertisers, narcissists and attention seekers. And the only reason why people love being online so much is because they can wear a mask over their ugly mug. What is all this for? What can you build in your life by doing this? Will it matter one day that Google or the NSA or whatever have 5% or 15% or 35% or 65% of your data instead of 100% do you even know how effective you are at lowering that number? I know this is all wrong but many things that are necessary to live are wrong, we do them because we set our priorities and decide which of these wrong things we do matter the most. It's usually about putting all the variables on the scales. How much does all this effort and all these missed opportunities weigh?

>>31227 I just give people my phone number...

>>31228 Well I give them my phone number too but since I'm not on WhatsApp it's as if I didn't. So every time you want to talk to someone you just call them, and people call you back for a length of time to have a conversation? This hasn't happened to me since the mid 2000s.

>>31229 are you in Europe or something? Nobody I know uses WhatsApp >So every time you want to talk to someone you just call them, and people call you back for a length of time to have a conversation? no we use SMS messages, and most of my friends got Signal

>>31230 >are you in Europe or something? Nobody I know uses WhatsApp Yeah nobody uses SMS here anymore, phone = WhatsApp If you have to send a document to a hospital or public office they give you a WhatsApp number. My ISP's help line is via WhatsApp. I had to install WhatsApp during the corona breakout because all the emergency infrastructure was built on it. Then I removed it again. Even Telegram is obscure here.

>>31231 that's pretty fuarrrked, especially considering that WhatsApp is still using *the same* infrastructure that SMS runs on.

>>31232 AFAIK it runs XMPP?

>>31233 over the cell network

>>31234 >over the cell network if you mean over cell data, yes. it's not using sms/mms in any meaningful capacity though.

>>31227 The entire point is "always available" if you dont do that you are already breaking away from what people want you to have it for. Note i also never said you gonna get irl friends here. All i said is your social network friends that you dont do irl soykaf with are equally loose. Having people in a contact list on call doesn't mean they are more inclined to help you with money or whatever. Just observe the people who hit the fan and how much help they get. Its also false that online cant help you. Information exchange is essential help. Especially in fringe sectors its the only realistic way.

>>31243 Maybe you're right that irl is just the same, but it's impossible to form bonds on the internet or build anything meaningful today. It doesn't work like a bridge from person to person anymore, it's just TV. And the only relationship is from an entertainer to a consumer or a seller to a consumer. I've been strictly online for 6, 7 years and this is all I see now. And the only people who actually get help online are people who don't need it. There's so much fake soykaf and lies online and people hiding everything they can for their own convenience... You don't know who you're talking to. It's also there IRL but you can't fake it that much. If you say you are poor but you live in a three story house you can't fake it. It comes up. On the internet it will never come up, and if it does it will be so abstract that nobody will care. Everything is so blatantly fake and stupid, I am so sick of it. I thought there would be different people with a different mindset, it's exactly the same. Actually this environment is even more fake since it's for people who have the resources to get by without the botnet stuff or simply lie about it. I feel so duped and cheated, just like with every other cause or ideal I followed.

>>31244 Meaning is just a subjective value judgement. You need to give some concrete example what you find lacking. Also mass adoption merely pushed the old user type to the side but it didnt kill them off. The only thing that really changed is it got harder to find the good stuff. Saying you're poor is a matter of protection. Once people know you got money it attracts all kinds of unwanted attention. If you unlucky you end up like the kids with 200k bitcoin killed&robbed in their own home for flashing it.

>>31247 >Saying you're poor is a matter of protection. Bullshit. We live in a world that is hyper-aware of "privilege" so you need to say you are/were poor while broadcasting that you are rich, or claim that your climb to riches was 100% self-made when everyone knows it's bullshit. It's a matter of self-advertising and virtue signaling. People discovered that casual, candid lies work so much better than the formal, acted-out artifice of TV and that's all they do now. It's become a thing with common folk, it's how people present themselves. Social media is nothing but this, you can now enhance your self-image like TV used to enhance its products. People were always aware that judging people by the way they dressed or the things they owned is vile, but now you can simply pretend and your status will self-select you through the upper rungs of society. >Meaning is just a subjective value judgement. I know I have hit a wall when I read a sentence like this, when people bring up this moral relativism crap I know they're an empty shell. Meaning is not subjective. People know exactly what it is, they just see it as an obstacle because they're evil, so in a very modern fashion they just lie and pretend it doesn't exist with "moral relativism". >Also mass adoption merely pushed the old user type to the side but it didnt kill them off. The only thing that really changed is it got harder to find the good stuff. More relativistic bullshit. You really love lying do you? I am sure that you could build a rocket and go to the moon, technically it's just "harder" than buying your own Space Shuttle, it's not impossible. Will you legitimately tell me that I can fly to the moon? Are you really going to tread the line between "impossibly difficult" and "impossible"? It's a complete and total lie to think that a change of scale this vast doesn't create a different situation. A soup of billions of users filtered through enforced social norms is simply not functional. This is the very reason why we're having this discussion anonymously. I'm going to turn off this crap and take a walk.

>>31260 >people just know So you got indoctrinated into a value system. Doesn't mean its correct.

>>31262 Priding yourself of your moral emptiness doesn't make you correct, either.

>>31260 We live in a world hyper aware of "privilege" on the basis that we actually have hyper "privileged" individuals, if only everyone understood "privilege" does not come from a checklist of racial/ethnic identities but from lived experiences... instead we have celebrities and wealthy people posing as self made or posing as some kind of racial messiah while being functional to the system that oppresses the same people they claim to be brothers/sisters of Sorry for the poorly worded rant, I'm just so tired of it all, so tired of the meritocratic discourse of the right and the reductionist discourse of the left

>>31267 This is all a capitalist narrative no matter the angle. Even the ΅liberals" that the American right calls "Marxists" are capitalists at heart because they do nothing to dismantle the narrative that there is no real class divide and social mobility is a real thing. They just want to cheat their way up by pushing how valuable they are as a tool to support the narrative. They're advertisers.

>>31267 The thing I find even more irritating is they never seem to examine where the privilege comes from; how people gain or lose it. Do they really think that the uneven privileges in the world came from people being unbearably shrill and shaming everyone until they just hand it over or whatever? Do they think the billionaires who hold the world in an iron fist just made reaaaally good Twitter callouts and then everybody venmoed them their money as reparations? Lmao no People gain privilege through daring to represent themselves. If we could just admit that—holy ѕһіt—we want to gain good things for ourselves and will fight others to have them. And then you go out and be ruthless. The older I get, the more I start to understand that ruthlessness is just the kindness and respect of the wise and honest. It's a bit Randian which I'm not totally on board with. But I can't stand the constant fake grandstanding these people have; pretending they're hardscrabble or whatever when they're really pampered big city trust fund kids. Pretending they're heroes fighting for justice, when they're just following another insta fashion fad for social clout. It's all so tiresome. Just so tiresome. Maybe they'll legit attempt a revolution and get instantly shredded by a claymore mine or something. Come on universe, I need a laugh.

>>31266 False dichotomy. Most will simply have different morals. If you write about meaning nobody knows the fuarrrk you on about. Don't even have to go far - why are you self-described hermit again? Cause you disagree with the majority on the value of privacy. Also: A clash of morals is commonly experienced on bigger scale as culture clash. >>31267 Your wording is clear don't worry.

>>31269 >Do they really think that the uneven privileges in the world came from people being unbearably shrill and shaming everyone until they just hand it over or whatever? It actually works (as far as their goals are concerned) so not? They don't give a soykaf about privilege, they just want a stable job by yelling they're black/trans/etc. and the companies will hire them because they will act as living billboards. Why spend 5000$ to advertise that you are pro-gay, pro-black, pro-trans, pro-woman and you hate white cis people when you can simply hire a snowflake with that money and ensure they'll suck your dick on Twitter full time? This not only broadcasts that your company thinks forward, it also pushes the narrative that they give people opportunities they normally wouldn't have.

>>31271 Yeah that's true. There's few things more pitiful and revolting than the professional activist

Do you know the feel when you could just shut up and your relationship would be all good, but you must say something and fuarrrk everything up? Telling someone they have a problem is really soykaf. Your intentions are good, but the outcome is always the worst.

>>31269 But don't you dare to be too radical, don't you dare to actually try to make change or speak up when you see your "ompanions acting in ways they preach against or you will be labeled as a troublemaker and cast away. Everything is marketing nowadays and I can't avoid feeling despair. >>31275 Yeah, so many times I've fuarrrked it up but I think it's better to stand by your ideals.

I can't seem to find a job. Well, it would be really hard to do so even in regular conditions, and now, with this corona soykaf going on it's even worse. I just accidentaly broke my headphones and I dont even have 30 bucks to buy a new one. It's been 4 months since I got my hair cut, I'm starting to run out of supplies and they're gonna cut my internet in 6 days... and I can't even buy I gun to kill as many politicians as possible because I have no many.

I've been actively keeping a diary for over two years now. I document my thoughts, dreams and any personal events that I find important. I'm reading through it now. It's disappointing that a lot of the problems I struggled with two years ago (and prior to that, too) are still here with me. Regardless, I've gotten better, that's for sure. I've become more open with my emotions, I learned more about myself, my family, my relationships with them and other people in my life; my mental health has improved somewhat, my social anxiety is much less of an issue now, my depression isn't as big of an issue as it used to be - I do still feel pretty miserable and often fantasize about ending it all, more so than I once did, it seems, but it brings me less mental anguish. Right now, I want to be independent and live my life. I've been trying to fulfil other people's wishes and live up to their expectations at the expense of my well-being for far too long. I hope I can get better and live a relatively happy life someday.

>>31275 It's definitely a pain to tell someone a hard truth about themselves. It's alienating. Unless they're exceptionally emotionally mature, they'll probably lash back out towards you for a while until they go through their stages of grief. And I mean... if they were really that mature, they probably wouldn't need somebody to intervene for them and point out their problems. But people who have the bluntness or guts to do that are very rare. People who care enough to put forth the effort are rarer still. It's a good mix of honesty and boldness and compassion, and you should be proud to have it. I know sometimes it simply comes from being ineloquent or having no filter, but still—give yourself some credit. I know that's hardly a consolation when it costs you a relationship anyway. But consider that if things worked out for the better for them after you broke them the bad news and they've had time to reflect and process what really happened and the tough love you gave—sometimes the alienation isn't from resentment anymore. It might just be a bit embarrassed after some time and space. They've already burdened you with this thankless task, probably said some hurtful things they didn't mean (or maybe just callous and distant) and don't know if they deserve to waltz back and make up. Have you reached out to them and told them you still care about them and think about them? That you still value the relationship if it could still be shared, presuming they don't hate you and you truly don't have lingering resentment towards them either? Sometimes they still don't wanna hear from you and I'm sorry if I'm blowing smoke up your ass. But it's worth checking if it's just a cold tension or lack of communication which might be an assumption on both your parts that the other is still upset. Do it gently and be prepared to actually take no for an answer if that's in the cards, but do check once it has had some time to work itself out. Anyway that's my spiel. Honest but earnest and caring friends who say what's on their mind are something everyone needs. Because they're so rare. Most people are so reflexively non-confrontational that they never tell anybody more than they wanna hear. Ever. That is the vast majority. Don't get me wrong, it can be bizarre and unnerving too and it's often a hassle from your POV. I'm sorry you gotta go through that. Maybe make sure you're not going too far and being an asshole. Just examine your actions from as objective a view as you can muster and ask several people straight up: "am I kind of a dick?" If so, that's fixable. Just be sure to set your ego aside for a moment. Especially if you don't really think you're egotistical. It can be sneaky. But don't lose your honesty and the instinct to do the right thing when it's difficult. It'll cost you some friends along the way, but later on it's the kind of person the realest and most reliable people want to keep around long-term. If you can reign it in when necessary. The friends that stay will grow deeper than the yes-men ever manage to make—even though they don't make any enemies. Hope this isn't too saccharine or patronizing. I think people need a good pump-up when they're doubtful about the value of who they are. Your qualities are most likely pretty good. If they're not and you're a filthy schlong, it's probably fixable with a bit of humble self-reflection and sincerity. Don't throw out what makes you powerful and valued along with the parts that are difficult to put up with. You ultimately can't do that anyway, and it just hurts everyone when you try. You develop and learn how to utilize yourself—if only because it's impossible to ever run away from yourself. You don't deny or escape. Once you deal with that it'll be easier to get rid of the dark fog and dedicate more energy into making it work your way. Ask yourself every now and then if you're exerting your own agency and will upon your life, or if you're just being what other people want and letting yourself get swept along with the current. Obviously you can't exert will over everything all the time, but make sure there's some important things that you decided and wanted all on your own. I know sometimes it's hard to know what you really want, but during those times it's not really so important to get it right on the first try: just make sure you're not letting yourself live for someone else's goals all the time while you're waiting around trying to figure it out. That'll burn up years. Go ask if you're still good with that person. Tell them you say stupid things that come out wrong, but your intentions are good. Alright, this went on a tangent. My modafinil is just kicking in. That's why I make all these fuggin walls of text on lainchan. Whoops.

>>31276 >Yeah, so many times I've fuarrrked it up but I think it's better to stand by your ideals. Thanks, lainon. >>31288 >Have you reached out to them and told them you still care about them and think about them? Yes, I'm still waiting for response though. >Most people are so reflexively non-confrontational that they never tell anybody more than they wanna hear. That's cruel, are those even called friends? I mean I think my friend has a problem with alcohol, recently she even told me she smokes with her "friends". She tells me about the things I consider problems like it was something cool. None of them really ever told her something is wrong? It is hard to believe for me. Either I'm overreactive, or she doesn't have real friends besides me. >Maybe make sure you're not going too far and being an asshole. I wrote a wall of text telling her I was sad when I heard she had started smoking and that I cared and worried about her. I also mentioned the alcohol problem - this is the second time I did this, the first time she was mad at me and told me she was strong and wouldn't fall in addiction. I stopped mentioning this until now. >But don't lose your honesty and the instinct to do the right thing when it's difficult. Thanks lain, I feel a bit better now. >Go ask if you're still good with that person. Tell them you say stupid things that come out wrong, but your intentions are good. I did already. I'm waiting now. I think she has difficult personality. She's popular and easily attracts people, so she can easily pick those who do things exactly as she wants it. That's why, I think, she can easily avoid people like me and any form of criticism, letting her immaturity grow. She probably doesn't like herself either - once I asked her if she liked to clone herself, she told me she wouldn't stand having to deal with herself. Sorry if I fuarrrked my English, reported speech isn't fun.

I am such a weakminded insecure guy, lains. I get jealous of my friends all the time, and I hate myself for this. Well, the worst part is that the person doesn't even need to be a FRIEND friend, it happens with people a barely know too. I'm I'm just too afraid that the person forgets me or replace me for someone funnier or ''better'', it feels like I wanna play a important (if not the most important) rola in everybody else's life all the time, like the one, the irreplaceble, the funnier, the most confortable to talk to, the most helpful, etc. I guess I just wanna be important, and all people do as well, but... Well, I everybody kinda feels like that sometimes, but with me it's definetly out of proportion, it's childish and makes me feel bad. I wish I were more detached, but at least I can hide it pretty well cause if I didn't... God, I would be utterly annoying.

>>31295 You need to break out of your self-centered narrative, things dont and never will revolve around only you and people arent constantly thinking about you. Most mistakes you make will go unnoticed or will be a thing of the moment to joke about and then be easily forgotten. Go to therapy, the gym, get a hobby, anything that helps you build your self confidence. You will find that those feelings of self doubt slowly dissapear when you get good at something or when you have something to do (not including brain dead entertainment) Keep in mind that the fear of being left alone will never completely go away, what you are facing is a human fear but that doesnt mean its a bad thing. You can cry about it or use it as fuel to better yourself. You can make it bro, I believe in you.

>>31287 Same, my journal is a broken record with the only exception being new health, money or other problems piling up. 2020 was the worst, so many horrible things are happening at the same time

Here in Europe we have rapefugees planted by organized crime in front of every shop or other place with a little bit of activity, they're healthy males in their twenties and they aggressively ask for money to every person entering or leaving the shop. They hold the door or insist to fetch you a cart and other annoying, aggressive forms of "help", they also make comments about women's looks because they're savage horndogs and can't hide it >hey gud luuking lady >good morning, buutifule lady Outside of harassing people, they just stand there doing nothing. They have smartphones, a baseball hat... I was looking at one of these guys yesterday while standing outside a pastry shop because I was invited to someone's house and I had to bring something, and he was legit dressed better than me. Nike shoes. Nike hat. I don't have branded soykaf on me. Phones all look the same but I'd bet his was way newer than mine. He was smiling while fuarrrking around with his phone and he looked relaxed and happy in a way I haven't been in a decade. But that's not what's infuriating. People give these guys money. He harasses people and they give him money. Assuming every person gave him just 50 cents, he made 3-4 euros in 10, 15 minutes, doing absolutely fuarrrk all. It wasn't even peak hours or a large city. People just eagerly give him money because the narrative is that he's a poor black refugee who needs help. This same society that gives money to this guy who's dressed better than me for doing absolutely nothing is the same society that reprimands me for not having a job despite being infinitely more skilled than this guy, and treats me like I'm entitled or I'm "lazy" for not being able to find a job because "I haven't looked hard enough" or that I should settle for a soykafty backbreaking job. Then this guy who's dressed better than me gets money for doing nothing, NOTHING, because he's a poor black refugee. I know that he's standing there because there's a pimp somewhere collecting the money, but people don't even think about that. They think they're helping him. Why does this guy get help for doing nothing except being annoying to the clients of a business while I'm told that I'm "entitled" for WANTING TO WORK. Why shouldn't I give in to hatred? How am I supposed to feel friendly toward this society, why should I feel like "contributing" to it? I am so goddamn mad about this, it's completely backwards, it makes no sense, and yet I am asked to bitch down, after all I did. While this guy gets paid for playing on his phone. I wish I was born a sociopath and I could do criminal things so I could participate to society the way it deserves, in the worst and most destructive way. I wish I could steal public money or cheat my taxes or do illegal trades. Sadly I can't hurt a fly or do anything dishonest, at this point being raised like a honest, law-abiding and empathetic person is my biggest regret in life because in this world the more honest and fair and genuinely good-willed you are the harder you get screwed. But I know for sure I won't kill myself, I will not accept this defeat, I'll do everything to keep living even if all that keeps me alive is spite.

>>31320 You sound like a mass shooter.

>>31295 Im jelous of lots of people too, its really draining, but you can help it if they get so much just by sucking up. >>31320 Luckly its not criminal level for me around here, but i certainly know what you mean. I see these groups of albanians and such with huge ass suvs, smoking weed and drinking in large groups, most of all leaving a huge mess everywhere they go. You can hear their primitive noises, its almost like a pack of animals screaming and talking in this really obviously stereotype way. How can they to do dope all the time and have huge ass cars, the chicks obviously dig those nice cars, i dont think they got those trough hard work or let alone "intellectual achievements". Atleast some of the trash they leave behind is useful, but how the fuarrrk such soykafs can afford to live such a lux life while the rest have to do a grind is beyond me. Id be just content if i had some cash for weed, but in this fuarrrked society youre lucky if you have money for food without having to take it up the ass. >But I know for sure I won't kill myself, I will not accept this defeat, I'll do everything to keep living even if all that keeps me alive is spite. Same, its a soykafty world to be in but no point in dying, i rather watch it crash and burn. Still even though humanity is at the pretty much at bottom of the barrel about now i still feel like theres people out there worth being around, but good luck finding these. Life without people seems kinda empty, but life with people is full of soykaf.

>>31323 Don't worry I'm just suicidal, so the worst I'll do is add a number to a statistic nobody cares about in the near future.

>>31324 >but how the fuarrrk such soykafs can afford to live such a lux life while the rest have to do a grind is beyond me. generally there are two ways(often in conjunction): 1) they actually can't afford it and they will be hounded by loan sharks for the rest of their life 2) selling drugs (or other kinds of crime), but they're probably dumb and will probably be dead or in prison in a few years the third way is rich parents but that's less common. I tend to agree that society is really just a rotten pile of soykaf that lets people like that be parasites. In fact I think most people are parasites of one kind or another, these days it's hard to find a paying job that actually does something useful for anybody but your boss. You can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and be widely respected for making ads and ad tech, or by owning a bunch of land and charging high rent. It's disgusting. This whole society is a bunch of worthless garbage held up by a tiny and shrinking minority of people who actually do something useful, and a gigantic majority of people who take what they do and divide it up in a byzantine and completely unfair fashion. I'm going to gleefully watch it fall apart and if I'm lucky, I might even get to participate in making something else.

The trick is to have most of the family on unemployment welfare while working for the family business under the hood. Congrats on double income. Some also still own a company in the home country while getting locally welfare cause they simply don't report it.

I’m schizoaffective bipolar type and I have fibromyalgia. Basically I’m schizophrenic, bipolar, and I’m in pain and sleepy all the time. I never saw this coming. It has deeply damaged my life.

I should go to the hospital to be put on suicide watch but I can't do anything because my mother has cancer and I'll have to drive her to the hospital while collecting bad news in the coming days. My money has completely run out. I have given up on all prospects, dreams and hopes. I can't enjoy a meal, I can't sleep. I'm so bitter and disappointed in everything and everyone. I just want to shut down and die or find a gun and shoot myself or jump somewhere and smear this stupid dumb world with my entrails. Every second I keep going is due to someone else's need for me to be around and I hate it. I hate posting here, I hate this place. I only post here because there are no captchas and there's no archive. I am so sick and tired and disgusted with everything. I'm sick and tired of posting what is nothing but entertainment to a bunch of strangers. Yeah interact with me, pick a dialogue choice and I'll give you good points. Feed the imaginary stray dog or pet the cat you'll never bring home or think about when it's storming outside. Just ban me please.

>>31350 This sounds really bad, I can't help you in any way. >I should go to the hospital to be put on suicide watch but I can't do anything because my mother has cancer and I'll have to drive her to the hospital while collecting bad news in the coming days. Can't you go to the hospital after you drive your mother to the hospital? You said it as if it was a single event, not something regular. Remember you should sometimes take care of yourself and ignore everyone else - your health should be the priority for you, considering your mother has cancer and is probably going to die anyway (sorry for being pessimistic).

Sex worker is a euphemism for a whore and Instagram posts should be taxed like a sales tax.

>>31356 ah yes, 8% of $0

>>31358 Instahookers are filthy rich. You can draw like crap and make a living drawing porn, imagine how much money these people make.

>>31358 I meant tax the hoebags for every post they make.

>>31360 >>31361 then it's not a sales tax.

>>31353 >Remember you should sometimes take care of yourself and ignore everyone else My will to live is tied to a goal that is about as reachable as becoming an astronaut, it just isn't going to happen. I've tried, done my best, it's not going to happen and I have exhausted all my personal resources, material and otherwise in the process of failing miserably and utterly at it. I cannot give more stress to a family that is already stressed. I'll have to be available for a while, and I've already been in this situation and what they do is just zombify you with drugs, they don't fix anything. They don't care about your mental state as long as you don't kill yourself and deprive the world of a burger flipping slave. It feels like having to walk with broken legs but the pain is all internal and it's lasted years. I can't waste 2,3,5 more years on my retard goal that will just never happen, and my life has completely fallen apart so I can't even afford trying any more. At this point I just want to be sedated and hold on until everything's done and I can finally die without creating problems. My life was so goddamn horrible from the very beginning, I asked for so little in return for all the crap I've been through but it doesn't work like that. What a terrible life. I hope I never come back to it in any shape or form.

>>31360 I really respect the crappy artists that actually charge by the hour, outright saying that you are paying stupid money for an hours work instead of obfuscating it like most of them do and still getting people line up to hand over their money.

>>31336 That actually sounds deeply unpleasant to live through.

>>31366 >I'll have to be available for a while, and I've already been in this situation and what they do is just zombify you with drugs, they don't fix anything. Can't you go to a real psychiatrist and get a proper treatment then? Or psychologist, maybe the issue is more in the way you think (ignoring your really sad life of course). >I just want to be sedated and hold on until everything's done and I can finally die without creating problems. If you decided so, I'm not stopping you, because the planet is overpopulated. Just make sure you did everything you could if you value your life even just a little. >My will to live is tied to a goal that is about as reachable as becoming an astronaut, it just isn't going to happen. I think you're giving up too early. I know they don't want there astronauts that have no will to live, but there are other ways around. I'm a transhumanist. I want to extend my life so I can eventually see Mars and the Earth from the outer solar system. You could pick the same path. I know you're tired of your life, but if you really want to be an astronaut, there's always a way.

>>30921 My cat is dying. The tumor on his head is growing and now he has stopped eating at all. Soon I will have to call the vet and put him to sleep. Goodbye my friend. I will keep you in my heart.

>>31376 >>31376 Sorry to hear that lain, there is no companionship quite like that of a cat's. I'm sure s/he had a happy and fulfilling life with you. Hope u feel ok

Recently ive realized how design, my field of study and work, is essentially just soykaf. While there is some interesting ways to approach it around semiotics, it boils down to commercialized art. Whether thats commercialized in a capitalist sense or simply in a made for the general public sense. Thats well and good and fine, the issue is that design essentially rips from the fine arts, reduces it and warps it with the express goal of making something that is good enough. In turn the fine arts adopts elements from design, essentially cheapening everything in a fuarrrked up feedback loop. "Good design" is design that doesnt get in the way, and "Amazing design" is design that takes these design principles filtered through a fine arts approach and then regurgitated back into the world of design and showcases them . It feels like im literally in a worse version of another field. The good thing is that unlike fine arts id bet a lot of money that not only can I gather and utilize everything design has to offer in my lifetime I can do it in maybe just 5-10 more years. Already I have a fantastic grasp of it and I know it will be very easy especially once I have my degree and have that "trust me bro" factor because that goes very far in design. For example design professors will talk about things like the nike swoosh, how the person that made it thought about it and did sketches only to present this final surprisingly simple design on a napkin or whatever. And how it goes to show how much nuance or thought goes into even the simplest of decisions. The fact is when you really look at it, the nike logo could have been almost anything as long as it didnt get in the way. That's it, the logo simply needed to exist and not get in the way or be unappealing. The designer who made it was already established, and nike would have likely become a huge company even with a different logo. See in fine arts if this were a painting, all of that thinking and conceptualizing just to come up with a painting of this swish would tell a story and have this history and theory to be appreciated behind it even if you didnt like the painting itself. You would read this painters takes, maybe watch a youtube video of someone summarizing them to you or their thoughts on the painting and find intrigue. But that isnt what design sets out to do, not to stir thought or create speculation and theories (except among other designers). Its simply meant to signify or point to something. The nike swooshes only purpose is to say "this is nike the company". A stop signs purpose is just to say "stop moving here". All that extra thought and what not is essentially most of the time just mental masturbation, or a ritual to arrive at something you could have done from the start. Often a ritual to make something no better than what you started with. again in many ways essential, but as its become seen as an art of its own, its changed the art world at large for the worse I fear. Not a deep concern, it ties into bigger concerns of mine about art and spirituality though that i dont want to get into cause im feeling nauseous and tired of typing. Just venting.

>>31379 Essence of brand marketing. The customer pays not for the product but the perception of value generated by marketing. You can apply this to anything.

>>31376 God damn, reading your post made me tear up. I am so sorry about your cat lainon.

>>31379 You give too much credit to art. It's exactly the same thing. Your reasoning about the nike logo, which is 100% true, is no different from how a blue square by Rothko is considered genius and full of meaning but the same blue square by you means nothing. The root of all this is that we have switched to a post-merit society where class is everything and the entire logical framework is filtered through the lens of "success" which is a roundabout way to worship privilege (actual privilege that comes from class and wealth) because looking at anything else would expose the ugly truth that you're just sniffing a rich person's farts. Everything is just about class. All the spokespeople who lie to you pretending they got to success through their efforts alone are hiding from you where they came from. But the truth is that nobody wants to know that because narratives are more important than the truth. Truth or reality don't matter anymore. We live in a timeline where what you produce doesn't matter, it doesn't even matter how other people perceive it or if they really need it, what matters is that you have the resources to advertise it. The only other element is addictive design which at this point permeates everything. In short, people are so mindless and dependent on public approval now that the entire world's pressure is upon them that just advertising can convince them to buy things they hate or have absolutely no need for. We are in a post-scarcity society for those who have money, so all that matters is buying something. Everything's reduced to the state of a badge, that's why it could be anything. Functionally, this is the same as jewelry. It's not about beauty, it's all about showing off your net worth. This is everything in this meaningless world.

I really don't like all the neologisms that have emerged recently "we are in a global pandemic" -- provides no information whatsoever. Just because something is happening *globally* doesn't say anything about the situation *locally*, there may or may not be a local epidemic where you are, there may or may not be a public health crisis where you are. This phrase is only used as a reminder to people that they should be stressed out and panicky about an amorphous threat. "social distance" (verb form) -- This one is just hard to parse. It doesn't have verb markers like most verbed words do, you have to just infer from context. No good, especially if you're just learning English. "friend group" -- it's called a social circle jeez. "believe in science" -- it is weird to me that someone could believe in scientific conclusions without understanding why they're true. More importantly this phrase is usually used to show allegiance to a side of the 'culture war' rather than express any kind of epistemological viewpoint. "culture war" -- it's made up, folks. People are making a lot of money watching us fight over their table scraps. I guess the reason I don't like these is because they have become so extremely standardized in everyday language. There are other ways to say the things they're saying, but most people don't.

>>31422 >"we are in a global pandemic" -- provides no information whatsoever. Not even this, but it is stupid as "pandemic" literally means "global epidemic", so saying "global" is totally redundant. You can't be in a local pandemic. It's like saying "autonomous vending machine".

I've spoken to two girls in the last 5 years. I know neither of them in person. I wish I could reproduce asexually.

>>31422 >"believe in science" -- it is weird to me that someone could believe in scientific conclusions without understanding why they're true. Nobody has time to understand everything from first principles. If it's something important to you then by all means investigate further but you can't expect everyone to have the time or motivation to do that. That's why it's ok to depend on scientists to review each other's work and replicate each other's experiments and for the layman to just focus on the current conclusions. >More importantly this phrase is usually used to show allegiance to a side of the 'culture war' rather than express any kind of epistemological viewpoint. I'm pretty sure both sides ignore science when it's convenient e.g. climate change vs transsexuals.

>>31425 >I've spoken to two girls in the last 5 years. Are you unattractive or just low self-esteem? >I wish I could reproduce asexually. Don't worry, scientists are working on this!

>>31377 >>31382 Thank you for your kind words, lains. He was a loyal companion in these 12 years. He got run over by a car, was almost killed by a dog and got beaten up in numoerus territory fights with other cats. This time though, he is going to lose his fight against death. Needless to say I cry a lot these days, I wouldn't hesitate to get myself another cat once he's gone. Death is an inevitable thing we all have to deal with sooner or later. And as people go, other people will soon join your life and spark joy again. I do know it is easier said than done, but keep your head up, lain! I believe in you! That was me heatpatting him just a couple weeks ago ;_;

>>31428 I'm not sure about looks, but I definitely have a low self-esteem. That said, I had little reason to interact with most of the girls that were around me. I think my city is just very ugly (looks and personality), because I've seen attractive women when I leave it and have two (female) internet friends.

>>31423 > It's like saying "autonomous vending machine". that's just retail workers, regular vending machines need maintenance.

>>31426 Sure but these people don't even know how to understand a statistic or critically evaluate a scientific study. Sometimes they're even hostile to it, much like their counterparts on the other side. Instead they listen to what their preferred news outlet says.

Anyone else not really had a bad life by any measure but still wants to die? It's weird, I'm probably in a better position right now than 70% of 1st worlders my age, yet I still feel this way. I just feel a general level of hopelessness, there's no industry here, no opportunity. The things I dream of doing are impossible to me, but dangle in front of my eyes just out of reach.

>>31469 That feeling is called "anomie" Suffering is relative; it has a sliding scale for income. You can't ever buy immunity. As the saying goes, it feels better to cry in a lambo than on the bus, but you're still gonna cry.

>>31383 I already explained why I dont see them as the same thing though but I understand your point.

>>31422 I kind of get the same inkling. Feels like we're in a moment where some kind of newspeak is evolving out of left anarchist academia and the remnants of the theraputic movement of the seventies or so. All subsumed and bastardized through corporate culture along the way. Language is becoming wholly more abstracted from our physical senses and worldly actions. The net effect seems to be that common people have a harder and harder time accomplishing their ambitions. Not that it was exactly easy before this.

I have secrets which I keep from all of the people I’ve met from about 7 years ago and onward. Not even those whom I could classify as my best friends know my deepest secret. I keep things from my past which I do not want my significant other to be aware of yet it causes me some degree of undue stress imagining that my significant other will somehow find out all that I have been hiding and see me a lot differently than they do now. For my best friends to know those secrets will very likely tarnish what they think of me. I don’t want their opinion of me to change. My significant other might even rethink their relationship with me. They might break up with me. I live in slight paranoia about the connections I keep and of being possibly exposed by people who might know and smear me. I have convinced myself that some people who have decided to be part of my life are waiting for a particular opportunity to oust me and ruin my reputation, despite having multiple opportunities to do so before, but there’s a part of me that thinks they’re waiting for a certain event to happen before doing so. I believe that I dug a hole so deep I may as well get comfortable. Is it normal to live with things you did in the past, not wanting to ever re-visit them again, to never want to tell people about it in order to “hash it out?”

>>31498 >some kind of newspeak not "some kind" it's literal fuarrrking newspeak directly from the Miniluv

>>31498 >Feels like we're in a moment where some kind of newspeak is evolving out of left anarchist academia lol it's been coming mostly from corporations. Where do you think political correctness came from? It was an attempt by HR departments to "fix" their racism problem by making people pretend it doesn't exist, among other things. Academia is getting played by this too, because universities are like corporations now. The thing is that some of those anarchist/communist types you mention are so fuarrrking dumb that they actually believe that they're solving transphobia by making people say their pronouns when introducing themselves (and other dumb soykaf). They got played into believing they were fixing the world and you got played into believing they are destroying it. Anyway. The things I listed seem to have mostly evolved out of social media, which is a disgusting cesspool regardless of which political leaning you have.

>>31508 Normalizing self-mutilation is certainly not improving the world. They are just cult victims and thus people treat them as such. And npcs getting baited into fighting the meme war are factually part of the problem as they amplify the distraction theater and thus sap ressources from important topics.

>>31503 I mean I agree. I say "some kind" 'cause unfortunately it's even more shrill and annoying than the newspeak words from the book lol.

>>31508 Yeah, agreed. It's mostly a result of HR departments and stuff. And corporate special interests exploiting literally anything they can (e.g. identitarian movements) to prevent popular movements from gaining steam and also to break up unions. I'm not saying the lefties are the ones doing it themselves, I said that's where the terminology got lifted from. Which is more or less true.

>>31508 But why? What are the mechanisms of this process? Is it really as simple as "We don't want to get called out on twitter?".

>>31512 It's multi-pronged. It reduces liability for lawsuits/consumer boycotts, it is good PR for coveted young demographics to drive future brand loyalty, and it is a useful tool along with an army of useful idiots for breaking worker movements and smearing any kind of agitator who wants better compensation or conditions.

The God that does not exists gave me soykafty cards and soykafty genes in life. I try to do my best but for what? Existence has no meaning. Life is too unfair and the human race is just a hierarchy of gifted and ungifted people doing good and bad things as they please. People isolate themselves from the groups they disagree with or don't know, people resort to violence and manipulation knowing better or not, rationality is limited, and we still talk about a world of equality and peace, like we will be above our nature one day. Nature didn't care about our well-being, only about the perpetuation of this mechanism called life for the only sake of keeping the wheel skipping. And some people will be born and die without acknowledging this, without the chance of reflecting about life deeply, and it's not their fault. Why be part of it in any way? I feel like there's no point in living.

>>31510 Somehow, believing that you're actually a woman although you're a 6'3" guy can't be called "mental illness" Demanding that people change their language to accommodate for someone else's delusion can't be called "mental illness" But a schizophrenic who thinks he's Napoleon, that's "mental illness" But someone who wants to chop his hand off, that's "mental illness" And being desperate because we live in a world without ethics, purpose, opportunity or justice, where you have no agency over your life or your community, where human relationships have disintegrated, where truth doesn't exist, and sociopaths are worshiped because they know how to generate capital and there is no other virtue other than money... that's "mental illness" too. Yet at the same time the not mentally ill, completely normal person gets special treatment and attention and rights over everyone else, while the mentally ill people are never talked about or treated with sufficiency as if they didn't exist and their issues were imaginary. The not mentally ill person now says he's neuroatypical to explain why he's owed special treatment. The mentally ill person is neuroatypical too. But the latter is mentally ill, the former is not. Abnormal is normal except when it's not. This person is neuroatypical so he deserves to be treated as neurotypical (but please remember he's neuroatypical). Everything is completely upside-down and just like in 1984 things now mean the opposite of what their name says. The destruction of truth, language and meaning and the merging of past, present and future were the most important goals of the Party and this is exactly what's happening on a global scale.

>>31518 >Somehow, believing that you're actually a woman although you're a 6'3" guy can't be called "mental illness" It really depends. There are people who have brain built like the opposite sex - it's not a mental illness, because rejecting a body that's not compliant with what your brain tells you is a natural reaction. If anything the illness is a body not compatible with brain, but that's not a mental illness. Forcing these people to behave the way that should be expected from their appearance would be the same as forcing a straight cis-male to wear a skirt, not cool and not a treatment. See: Zhou, J., Hofman, M., Gooren, L. et al. A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. Nature 378, 68–70 (1995). https://doi.org/10.1038/378068a0

>>31520 The "female brain" theory has utterly zero credible supporting evidence (it's been debunked since) and is even rejected by the trans communities themselves as "transmedicalism."

>>31508 >lol it's been coming mostly from corporations. Where do you think political correctness came from? It was an attempt by HR departments to "fix" their racism problem Why do corporations care about "racism"? Because customers and employees care (or pretends to care). Why do they pretend to care? Because they've been indoctrinated by academia. Why does academia care? Because it's just a cultural extension to marxism, just replace "proletariat" with "gay trans black women" and "bourgeoisie" with "straight white male". Your photoshopped stonetoss comic doesn't really make sense either. Of course academia is filled with bitter jealous money hating marxists. Anyone with the wherewithal to make money in the real world doesn't waste their lives in academia.

>>31523 > Why do corporations care about "racism"? Race is a very superficial attack on established systems, because it just focuses on the content and not the form. If you want to redirect socially critical movements away from opposing structures, and substantially threatening them, be one move ahead and set the agenda to race and gender. > Because it's just a cultural extension to marxism, just replace "proletariat" with "gay trans black women" and "bourgeoisie" with "straight white male". Yeah sure, if you don't understand what role the proletarian class has in a Marixst analysis of society and it's reproduction, this seems like a totally fair point. >>31513 I'm still surprised how organized/consistent it is, and that so many honest people accept it. >>31469 How well of a person is, has nothing to do with their substantial quality of life. >>31376 >>31429 My condolences. Gonna go pat my own cat, while he's still ok.

>>31521 There was a big hype around some publication how you can manipulate brain development towards female/male during pregnancy by regulating one hormone. That aside who cares about trans community? Its as relevant as the catholic church for this.

>>31524 >racism is a distraction from who is (((really))) in charge The evidence doesn't support that. For one thing the "proletariat" are actually content with capitalism, that's why marxist revolutions have consistently failed in the west and marxism is relegated to a relatively small selection of gullible youth and failed adults. Occam's razor prefers the simpler explanation which is that capitalist institutions jump on the woke train just like any other fad popular with consumers. For another thing, intersectional ideology has been festering in academia for decades, long before anyone in the corporate world knew or cared. >i disagree but i can't explain why so i'll just imply you don't understand anything with no elaboration Nice cope.

>>31530 BZZZZT. Wrong. It's just rich people sniffing their own farts. They buy a hybrid Tesla and tell you they're saving the environment. Occam's razor leads to the simple explanation that in an environment where getting away with lying or omission is almost a guarantee and where it's incredibly easy to inflate or deflate the importance of one's opinion if you have money, people will lie a whole fuarrrking lot and use their money to push their own agenda. You know, like a queer biracial (xe's 1/16th Native American) Silicon Valley corporate employee can talk about how hard it is for minorities to get by in this oppressive society while sipping on his 27$ soy frappuccino and a bunch of other people earning 6 figures clap, and a closet gay guy in Rwanda looks at it on his school's PC and thinks "holy soykaf this guy is fighting for MY rights". Wait no, the gay guy Rwanda won't get to see it. It's a bunch of middle class, self-hating young Americans who'll look at it and say "holy soykaf this guy is going to help that hypothetical gay guy in Rwanda!" Wait no. Nobody gives a fuarrrk about that gay guy in Rwanda! Those middle class, self-hating young Americans just think "Maybe if I suck up to this guy I'll get a job in Silicon Valley" There you go! People are dumb. If you earn 500'000$ a year and you tell people who earn 10'000$ a year that you can relate to them, they'll believe you're actually going to help them. Isn't it just wonderful. People are both evil to the bone and naive enough to believe that other people aren't just like them, because on top of being evil they're also stupid, like really, really stupid.

>>31530 Reminder when occuppy happened newspapers started pumping out 5x more articles about racism. 2 years later the same protesters where dickriding the banks they hated before for supporting their newfound cause.

>>31533 *were not where

>>31524 >Race is a very superficial.... Negroids are a different species from caucoids which are different from mongoloids. Race is not real because it replaced "species" - We are not "homosapien" the species, "homosapien" is more like a genus. This is what irritates me about biology in the first place, we tip toe around just that one issue - But everything else is easy to comprehend. >Charadrius alexandrinus >Charadrius dealbatus Look at these fuarrrking birds.

>>31521 >Negroids are a different species from caucoids which are different from mongoloids. Get familiar with the definition of a species. Homo sapiens has really low genetic diversity compared to other species all types can breed giving fertile offspring. >We are not "homosapien" the species, "homosapien" is more like a genus. Some scientists proposed there should be one genus - Pan (chimpanzee) to contain also humans, but others are just too proud to admit it. This would be actually more sensible than the current synthetic system. Can negroids and caucasoids breed? Yes, so this is one species. Can humans breed with chimpanzees? No, so we should be in one genus - Pan sapiens or Homo troglodytes. Sounds good to me.

>>31539 Sorry not you >>31521 You >>31536

>>31539 >Some scientists proposed there should be one genus - Pan (chimpanzee) to contain also humans no need for a proposal, we're naturally moving from homo sapiens to pan sexual

>>31536 Surprise surprise, the race scientist guy doesn't even understand what a species or a genus is

>>31530 > The evidence doesn't support that. Nope, didn't say that. Read again. > For another thing, intersectional ideology has been festering in academia for decades, long before anyone in the corporate world knew or cared. That proves what exactly? >>i disagree but i can't explain why so i'll just imply you don't understand anything with no elaboration >Nice cope. Are you interested in an explanation of why the proletariat, the producing class, the relation bound up with the material reproduction of society is more fundamental than minority issues? If yes, just say so Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! >>31536 Mind your language, and rethink your biology Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>31551 Also, I just realized that this is the /vent/ thread, the conversation should probably be moved somewhere else, out of respect towards our /vent/ing lains.

>>31551 Also, I just noticed this is the /vent/ thread, the conversation should probably be moved somewhere else.

>>31539 >Can negroids and caucasoids breed? Yes, so this is one species. I was anticipating this. I would like to point you to this counter your incorrect implication that "must be same species in order to breed". http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41586-018-0455-x found via https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelmarshalleurope/2018/08/28/a-long-busted-myth-its-not-true-that-animals-belonging-to-different-species-can-never-interbreed/

I sure do love when I vent about something and some fuarrrkwits decide to use it as an excuse to carry on with their made up culture war

>>31140 Alright I've tried to work on it but I just think I'm too dumb to actually add anything to a conversation. My field of knowledge about pop culture, academics, or even practical stuff is still just too narrow, and my analytical ability too limited to ever be more than just a guy who asks questions about everything. Even when a topic comes up that I do know something about, I cant come up with enough to not sound dumb or wrong because I'm so forgetful. Like the only thing I'm ever able to talk about is myself because thats the only thign I have a comprehensive understanding of, and no one wants to hear about that. It just feels like I'm out of the loop 99% of the time and no matter how much lurking or listening or probing or learning I do I'm never going to get better.

>>31563 Yeah you've just discovered why people switch off their brain. You have to assimilate with the normal people if you want to talk to them without weirding them out or upsetting them.

Can nazi soykaf just get derezzed? It's what lead to the deaths of so many chans.

>>31532 >Silicon Valley corporate employee can talk about how hard it is for minorities to get by in this oppressive society while sipping on his 27$ soy frappuccino And where do all these corporate employees come from? university >If you earn 500'000$ a year and you tell people who earn 10'000$ a year that you can relate to them, they'll believe you're actually going to help them. Is that why Trump is president? Nobody buys any of the diversity and oppression nonsense except the white middle class. You said so yourself. So if the purpose is to manipulate the lower classes they would have stopped a long time ago because clearly it's not working. >Those middle class, self-hating young Americans just think >"Maybe if I suck up to this guy I'll get a job in Silicon Valley" You're sort of on the right lines. Humans have a biological drive for social status because it improves your mating prospects. Like I said before, academia doesn't care about money because it's mostly run by people who don't understand it. They're all atheists so God is out. So they created their own "virtue" based on marx's oppressor/oppressed dichotomy. The louder you screech about oppression, the more virtuous you are and the higher your social status on campus. When enough radicalized kids continue spouting the same crap after they graduate and start working in silicon valley and the media and other university graduate jobs, the new wokeness religion goes mainstream. Which is what we're seeing now. Contrary to what you keep saying, capitalism doesn't give a fuarrrk what stupid soykaf consumers believe as long as they keep consuming. When the woke train slows down they will jump onto whatever the next thing is, just like how everyone dropped feminism the moment men in skirts became the hot new thing. Capitalism has no agenda except money.

I met a girl playing video games. I don't know much about her but we're more or less pen pals who'll occasionally chat for a few hours. Recently I've become quite shy and afraid to talk to her. Despite this, she's the last thing I think about when I go to bed and the first when I wake up. I don't know what's going on. Am I in love? I keep thinking of asking her on a date because we live in the same country, but that seems like a very stupid idea.

>>31575 Yes you are. Whether to advance it to that is a tough one as if she isn't interested then it will almost certainly be the end of the friendship but if you don't the pent up tension within you may cause trouble down the line too.

>>31575 Do you know what she looks like? I mean a non-photoshopped, casual photo. Not to sound like a materialistic asshole but there's a good chance that you'll ask her out and you discover that she looks like Jabba the Hutt. Try to know what you're really getting into before making any moves IRL, not just in terms of appearance but also what she's telling about you. People you meet online have a tendency to lie.

>>31578 *about herself

Sometimes I look back, and I get this suspicion that my parents, especially my Mom, were sabotaging my efforts to start my life. I get really scared, embarrassed, and frustrated when I think about it. Scared because if a persons own parents are either unable or unwilling to do right by them, how can you trust people in general? Embarrassed because I think I was partly complicit in my own sabotage. And frustrated, because it all costed quite a bit of my youth. Anyone else out there who has gone through the more subtle kinds of family bullshit? Anyone else anxious about protecting their brains from infection by the worlds evils?

>>31575 >seems like a very stupid idea Seems like a wonderful idea in my opinion, just that maybe you shouldn't call it a "date" unless your conversations are starting to become more intimate. Just think of it like a meeting between friends and see what happens.

>>31575 Listen to this lainon >>31578 Not even Jabba, but you can just find she's not your type. The brutal truth about human mating is that in love, often appearance and sexual satisfaction come first and things like interests come second.

>>31584 It's more nuanced. Like outside a few Captain Ahabs nobody wants a landwhale but past a minimum standard looks aren't the biggest deal. You can enjoy a bimbo as a fuarrrkbuddy but you don't want a constant nuisance outside sex for a partner you have to tolerate whole day every day. Especially when you talk about mating as in getting kids and not just sex for entertainment most will look at finances & personality instead of looks. >>31582 You dont need malicious intent. Parents like all people make mistakes. Mothers commonly fail their kids in being too risk averse trying to protect them and thereby robbing them of opportunities for growth.

>>31585 >Especially when you talk about mating as in getting kids and not just sex for entertainment most will look at finances & personality instead of looks. Nah, I just think calling it "mating" instead of "relationship" sounds funny. What I mean is first I find a girl sexually attractive and then I find her intellectually attractive, rarely the other way around.

>>31585 >>31586 >Like outside a few Captain Ahabs nobody wants a landwhale but past a minimum standard looks aren't the biggest deal. For most people yeah, a surprisingly large amount of people are *really* shallow though. I also think that there is a big difference between fuarrrkable and attractive. Even on a purely surface level, if I saw someone walking down the street the "wow she's hot" reaction is for very different looking people than the "wow I am smitten" reaction.

I wish I could be reincarnated to a functional body. I wish I knew what it felt like to not have to deal with chronic pain in my early 20s, being consistently active, and not having to rely on pain drugs or weed to dull out pain. Everyone else has it so good

I've fallen to nostalgia and I hate this. It's comforting, sure, but it feels wrong, at least the way I seem to be indulging in it. The things I used to find extremely obnoxious and bad back in the day now seem great simply because it seems infinitely better than anything we have now. It's so weird. What's worse, is that I view the future through the lens of the past as well. "Real" Future stems from the Present, which stems from the Past. I take the Present out of this equation, and imagine a could-be Future, as weird as this sounds, an "Unreal" Future as it was envisioned in the past, undiluted by all the negatives we brought in the Present that skew this image. This sounds like such an idiotic problem to struggle with, but I would still like to let go and learn to live in the present, carving out future out of what is, rather than imagine dream futures out of what was.

>>31589 I feel you. History is a weapon, but nostalgia is a sedative. You aren't idiotic, though; we all interpret the future as the image cast by the light of the past projecting through the lens of the present. If you have this instinct, you're fine. You'll avoid tripping over some headstone from a previous decade as long as you understand that nostalgiaism is eerie and wrong. Be aware of your limits, but don't despair of them. That's how every human has ever been since we were covered in fur. And I've also been bothered by that meme format. It's the most literal distillation of reactionary thought: the desire to return to a fantastical past that never really existed. To descend into delusion and reverie. We don't have a vehicle to take us to the past. We can take ourselves into the future in a way that is informed by the past; perhaps even preferring values from the past. But it will still be downstream in time and changed. All must change. That's the only constant. We must accept this and plan accordingly if we want tomorrow to be any good. That said... there are certain awful things about this present that we can dispose with if we are steadfast and brave. Or at least we can dispose of them in the sense that we can steer away from that specific future. We can't eliminate the concepts, and we can't close Pandora's box. But we can still have deterministic influence on the path of mankind. We always do. Don't let yourself be discouraged. We are small, but we still count. Exercise your will, even when it seems futile. Especially when it seems futile. That's when faith comes into play.

>>31588 I've also had chronic pain since I was around 22 from an accident that left me with some fused lumbar vertebrae and a lot of spinal nerve and muscle damage. It's terrible. Not a lot to add; just wanna say I hear you. In my mid- to late-twenties, I went through a long bout of opiate addiction and ended up shooting heroin for a while. Glad fent wasn't a thing at that time. I know you're probably medicated in some way (hard not to be) but I hope you can avoid that fate. Stay strong friend.

>>31356 It's about time Sex Workers tax their income.

I never find a place online where I feel truly comfortable being a regular, and alone is.. well, alone. It wouldn't be a trouble if I didn't end up lurking eventually again after a while. I guess it will continue as long as I still fail to understand what it is what I expect from spending time here or on other social media sites.

The way I see it, everything that's in the past or in the future exists now only as memories or predictions. i.e. they are useful fictions in the minds. Nostalgia can be useful, but often, it's used perniciously. An example of good use of nostalgia, is if there's a good habit you want to go back to having: you can use nostalgia to motivate that, by remembering all the good things that were associated with that good habit. On the other hand, I stopped using nostalgia this way, because it's often simultaneously euphoric and depressive, which is disgusting, like eating saccharinated dung so sweet that you start to like it, despite knowing that it's dung. (Not that I've had direct personal experience eating saccharinated dung. Especially not that such direct personal experience, which I didn't have at all in any way shape or form at any time in the past present or future, included liking such direct personal experience. Why are we even talking about this?) >We can't eliminate the concepts, and we can't close Pandora's box. But we can still have deterministic influence on the path of mankind. Hey, forget about mankind. Remove it from your life. If you still care about the path of mankind or whatever, you might try helping another person remove it from his life: if everyone so helped helps two others, there'll be geometric growth---even small changes will accumulate fast. >Especially when it seems futile I just want to add that, if it is futile, then don't bother. But---and this is a big but---if it feels futile, it's not. Why? Because doing it despite feeling futile exercises the ability to ignore that feeling.

>>31585 >>31587 >but past a minimum standard looks aren't the biggest deal. I'll be honest... If a girl wants to date you over a bunch of chat logs and she's anything close to attractive she's probably more promiscuous than you're comfortable with, a psycho, or both. And I never said "only date her if she's hot", I said "know who she is", including potential lies about her online persona.

>>31578 I'll second this advice. Out of personal experience: it's extremely difficult to truly fall in love with a person you don't find attractive, and no amount of likeable personality on their part is going to change that.

>>31611 Love is just loyalty and trust, nothing else.

i think i might be non-binary and i don't know what to do or how to move forward

Big ol rant inc. PTSD is one nasty bitch lain. I’m finally back to myself, I see my body doing nothing and wasting time and I want to catch myself but its so much harder now. The past couple years have really stripped me down to just surviving and now that I’m back in my body I don’t know what to do. Im JUST surviving and Im fuarrrking SICK of it. I used to have so much energy and now I barely make it through the day, I can’t live like this Im so behind on my life. I worked so hard to get everything in order and every time I get it together suddenly it goes to soykaf. I’m not sure how many more curveballs I can take. I never drank before, I drink so much now. And it’s not even like “I need to drink” because drinking makes me feel like soykaf and I still don’t like it but I need to feel baseline SOMETIMES and nothing gets me there but a buncha drinks and I’m close. I have so many things I’m passionate about Lain. I have so many loved ones that count on me and that I want to do incredible things for but I can’t do that if my only two states are scared or intoxicated. I see a lot of my loved ones with much better heads on their shoulders making it through tough times by sticking to regimen and bettering themselves and all I can do is think about when I’m gonna die and do things to forget that I’m gonna die. I’m trapped. I go to the doctor and they give me benzos and tell me to do some mindfulness soykaf but that’s not what I NEED. I need to get back to my old self, I never realized how lucky I was. I don’t need to calm down I need more energy to get back to my fuarrrking life I need to be able to forget that I’m gonna die, I even wanna be a good little cog and just work all my life in a nice middle position. I just wanna feel free to do what I want in my own body, nothing else weighing on me. I don’t know who to say it all to Lain, I’ve told everyone and it gets nowhere. I can’t ever say it all, there’s no point even here. But shouting it into the void makes me feel the most normal. I’m not okay Lain. I have some people around me I really care about and right now I can’t even take care of myself much less be a good friend to them. I don’t know who to talk to, they’re gonna run away faster. The fancy degrees don’t get it either, they just try to numb me out but I need the opposite. I want to feel again. idk I have a lot to say it’s all pent up. I like to come here to scream. I’m glad you’re here Lain, if you’re reading this. I hope you’re doing well. I know I’m going to be better. We work every day towards it.

>>31616 I wish I knew what to say to help you, but could I offer you a movie recommendation instead? I'm not trying to soykafpost, I just think you may like it based off of what you've said here. I am glad to hear that you are still working toward "It," whatever that may be for you.

>>31617 in the very likely scenario where I lose my browser session and blackout (because I've also been drinking heavily to cope), my recommendation (you mayhave watched it already, seeing that you're here) is "Ghost in the Shell." Your post made me think of it specifically because of the movie's analysis of changes in identity and the human compulsion to hold onto a set self-conception.

the master/slave, whitelist/blacklist stuff is completely retarded I never even associated any of this with white people or black people master/slave at best made me think of BDSM It doesn't even have anything to do with racism, it's just an exercise in power from the Miniluv to reshape language and enforce newspeak and nobody seems to understand it So it's just slowly happening and you can't say anything because if you do you're a Nazi cause racism = bad what next? do we abolish "white christmas"? do we abolish "white lie" too? oh wait no that has a negative connotation so we leave it in then I read about this stupid soykaf on an article and the link underneath said >Why you should celebrate LGBTQ+ employees every day, not just during Pride Month! WHY THE fuarrrk DO I HAVE TO CELEBRATE YOUR GENITALS I DON'T fuarrrkING CARE

>>31619 yeah it is obnoxious how much people seem to care about these utterly inconsequential things, while relatively ignoring very real problems. These are the same people who seriously think they're going to save the world through revolution or some soykaf. Listen if you have a conniption fit over some meaningless words you will never ever lead a successful revolution. They'll just sit in their cube farm, happily sedated with drugs and sex and internet and money, constantly whining about how they're so oppressed, while the world outside gets more and more dystopian every day. When someone shows up with a Kalishnikov and says "come join the revolution brother!" they'll get angry that they were misgendered and start posting on twitter about how this revolution is problematic. They're all ego-poisoned, convinced that there is nothing more important in the world than their own comfort. Half the people who say "eat the rich" are exactly the rich who would be eaten, because when people are hungry enough they see right through that kind of soykaf. They can do whatever the fuarrrk they want, I literally don't care. At this point they're just another group of deranged morons that are running off a cliff as fast as they can, jerking themselves off the whole time. I just hope I can get off this wild ride before they get there.

>>31619 Don't despair too soon. Because they're politically inept career-striving morons who don't really give a damn about any social cause except their own clout, they are doing far more damage to these causes than they are helping them. They're only spreading resentment, such as what you are feeling now. They are spreading it everywhere, and soon it will drop back into the background noise because they've hamstrung their own popular support and done more to increase ambient hatred of those groups than anybody in the modern era. They will not notice this or care; they'll just hop onto the next trend and keep doing the same antics. Would be hilarious if it wasn't so irritating or tragic. But this too shall pass.

>>31612 It is, but also humans are flawed and loyalty becomes harder the longer you have to maintain it. It can be a bit easier to stay loyal if you're attracted to the person. But don't go and get involved with somebody who is stunningly hot and has fuсked everyone else in the world unless you're prepared to handle that lmao But love is absolutely just loyalty and trust. And the willingness to give yourself over to a higher ideal. Which is the most transcendent and spiritual act a human can ever commit; it's very important to do that at some point.

I miss so many things. I regret so many things. The past seems more desirable than the future and the present, both of which I fear and frankly dislike. Why am I like this.

>>31612 sure, one kind of love is. But loyalty and trust aren't enough to make it pleasurable to sleep in the same bed, and without that you may love someone but you will never be happy with just them. Don't disregard the sex-craving mammalian part of you, it controls your conscious mind more than you can ever hope to overcome. The ideal partner is someone you love, trust, and who you are attracted to enough that your skin gets all sensitive and flushed when you're close to them. As for transcendence, I honestly think that comes from the mammal-brain too, or somewhere on the boundary between mammal and conscious. The urge for it is certainly very strong, even among people who do not know they seek it. Most people only experience any kind of transcendence through orgasm. >>31627 >The past seems more desirable than the future and the present, both of which I fear and frankly dislike. the past is poorly remembered, the present is poorly perceived, the future is poorly predicted. Why ponder which is best then?

>>31619 Try reading less clickbait. I see no problem in changing words, it's fun to see what we come up. Master/slave is indeed a retarded description anyway, but it'll be tough trying to dissociate that black/dark/bad connotation, which has been there since forever.

>>31629 Master slave is perfect. Its descriptive of what its about. Even a non-tech understands its a hierarchy and whats on top. Also black connotation is a burger only problem. Imagine thinking about blacks in a country who never had black slavery...

>>31575 She dropped that she has a bf so I guess I don't have to worry about this anymore. I've saved myself some embarrassment and get to keep a friend so I guess everything turned out okay in the end. Thanks for the replies, though. I'll keep them in mind if this ever happens again, it probably won't though.

>>31631 I'm sorry my friend. I wish you the best of luck.

>>31631 :(

>>31631 Ow, too bad. Just remember to be sincere with yourself, if you can't see her as a friend you shouldn't force yourself.

Anyone else feel like suicide is just an inevitability? Like no matter how happy or fortunate I am today, or 10 years from now, it'll eventually end in suicide

I used to live with an ex-gf until a bit over a year ago. Before then I was living on my own for quite some time, and since the breakup I have been living back with my mother. At the time of the breakup I had no job or savings, and I have no one else aside from her who could take me in so that was my only option next to becoming homeless. She drinks quite a bit and does shrooms, coke, and idfk/c what other drugs. Parties all the time, not covid nor aging has slowed her down. Very difficult to deal with her daily behavior. No conversation is had between us aside from yelling. At least she was nothing like this during my childhood, not exactly a stellar parent either though. I have been living almost entirely on a very small 'allowance' for the last year, and my friends when they can spare me a meal or something else I need. The latter is something I always feel guilty about, I have nothing to really give back. Hopefully in time my life will improve and I will be able to do something for them. My friends are probably the only reason I'm not suicidal yet they simultaneously cause me a very large amount of self-inflicted guilt. I know they want to see me doing better and are trying to help me so at least I have them around in the first place. I hope this is the lowest time of my life, that's only the surface of a couple problems. Typing a full essay on everything bad in my life is not something I foresee helping me, though for the moment this has. Don't let venting become ruminating over your problems. >>31631 Been there a few times myself, as a rule I do not ever shift my feelings on someone from romantic interest to friendship. Whether I was in a relationship with her or not, whether the romance was one sided or not. I have tried and never found the result to be anything other than distressing. You may not have the same experience, it seems most people are capable of deliberately shifting their feelings like that. I am not.

>>31629 I always associated black, as the color of charcoal, to darkness, which is the absence of light. It's a lot stronger in my mind than when it's used to indicate extra melanin, that's why "black" is so easily associated with BAD. I don't know if "blacklist"to indicate some racist thing was an actual term during slavery, like on boats to list the slaves, but does anybody but these insane crotchsniffers from American academia ACTUALLY think of black people when they read "blacklist"? This removal is just so completely fuarrrking arbitrary and it irks me on such a profound level. And the whole ritual knee-bending to every whim is both scary and nauseating. You GOTTA do it or you're a BAD PERSON. It doesn't matter if you don't do the token thing but you do whatever, all that matters is that you do the token thing. Then you can actually do horrible soykaf and get away with it because it doesn't matter if you actually own slaves in another continent, nobody gives a soykaf. I swear that I had more racist thoughts thanks to this sort of stuff than because of all the direct direct offenses from black people I experienced in my life combined. Actually if I rationalize I I have no reason at all to be racist, I met just as many black assholes as whites. So thankfully I remember who is it that I really hate. It's these annoying white pieces of soykaf who are, say, 5% of the population on the internet? These American sharticle writers and "progressive" fops, who never lifted a finger or experienced any actual discrimination in their lives and would literally set up Big Brother to climb one rung on their soykafty corporate ladder. And you already know sooner or later they're going to go after the definition of "darkness", and then they'll try to imply that white or "light"are bad because intrinsically Christian and "white" therefore racist, so we'll literally LITERALLY WORSHIP DARKNESS IN 2022

>>31635 I get it. I keep trying to pull myself up and live a "normal" life with a career and friends and all that soykaf, but things outside my control keep sending me back to square one. Might be losing my job before the end of the month because of CV19 even, back to square one again. And I'll need to pull myself up again and try and build something resembling a normal life. I'm sick and tired of living out the same loop year after year. I was going to say something motivational to help keep you going, but I honestly don't know how I keep doing it myself. I'm just too tired of everything now.

>>31634 >>31636 It started as a friendship, and it was never anything more than that. I think I just got opportunistic and toyed with the idea for a bit. I've not had a female friend since I was 11, let alone a gf. I guess it seemed like a good first step. It wasn't meant to be, though. I'll be there for them if they need it, as I would with any friend.

>>31635 I feel pretty similar, to be honest. I have stored some poison in my drawer for whenever that day comes.

>>31638 I agree completely, the whole thing is an absolute farce and ironically more likely to drive people to racism than just leaving these basic words in place. If it wasn't for the fact that like you I knew a wide variety of people of different races I probably would have turned racist by now and I periodically have to remind myself (same with all social justice idolised people including women and transes) that no most people in this group and normal and sane.

>>31641 What poison have you actually stored if you don't mind me asking? I know you have to choose carefully as some (many of the ones commonly used for suicide) will result in agonising slow deaths.

Forced contemplation due to sleeplessness caused by backpains left me with a bitter conclusion. No matter how many drugs i take the suffering of being trapped in this broken prison of flesh is unavoidable. Even with the false promises of transhumanism of replacing these broken vessels, all it will do is extend this sad soykafshow we call life and make it even more degenrate. In the end all it will lead to is to shortcircuit the brain to release hormones constantly, but might well just use heroin for doing this rather than complex brain surgery and electronics. Humanity uses technology to entrench itself in its own disgusting ways while i try to transcend it somehow. Death seems the only way out, but i think even that is just a trap. I have so much to do before i can depart from this accursed entrapment. I know i need to find a way out of this diseased reality, yet the means seem almost impossible to reach, ive no idea if i reached the end of my rope. Just giving up and dying is not an option, but i dont know if can push on further. There has to be a way out of this mess and i dont think i can rest until i find it.

Rich people are something, man. I'm blessed that this neighborhood was - what's the opposite of gentrified? A lot of soykaf dropped by next to it. So there are these older rich people still sticking by. >Me: "One time I saw (let's call him Jimmy, who's a guy who lives here and was arrested several times for pushing) Jimmy at a table with these guys... I still remember this one who had these prison tattoos on him, really scary guy. Apparently he was a major dealer in the city. >Oh Jimmy! He's my nephew! (Oh now she's gonna say he's a good boy) He's such a good boy, you know, and aside of what he did (selling drugs to children and doing business with the scum of the city?) he never did anything bad in his life. He never did drugs himself, you know. Even if those bad people influenced him he never gave in, because he's such a sweetheart (he sure is). >What happened after he left ('cause they were arresting him every other day)? >Oh he changed! Now he has a job and everything, at a nice company! >Uhuh >Yeah I called (let's call him Bob) and we found him a job through (the boss of this company). By the first month he was earning (lots of money) because he worked so hard! He's really a sweetheart, such a good boy. It was all his company's fault, those bad people influenced him... And I was thinking that I went to school in this soykafty neighborhood with those same people sitting at that table and yet I stayed the fuarrrk away from them. But he's a good boy. I wonder what this lady would say if I did the same things. I still remember that guy's face. I fuarrrking hate rich people. Being rich actually gives you brain damage, it's like a sickness.

I am so lonely. It hurts so much, it almost feels like physical chest pain, like a black hole inside my ribcage eating any and all positive emotion. It's no lack of social interaction, I have a healthy circle of friends and family. The problem is >tfw no gf. How do I find a gf willing to put up with me being a huge nerd? I am somewhat attractive, even had girls approach me at parties. I hate parties though, so I rarely go. Whenever I had a girl that was interested in me, it never lasted long. I suspect the problem is me being a bit too interested in tech and that's a turnoff. My room is filled with computers, electronic parts, self-built machines, circuit boards, projects and tons of tools. I don't want to change that if I don't have to, I really like building cool soykaf. Though maybe once I'm at uni this will all get easier, more people with similar interests around can't be bad. Or I just drink more booze, that improves my social abilities significantly. I just want someone to hug man. It hurts so fuarrrking much.

>>31653 Might sound retarded by try going on long walks. Unironically what solved it for me. Daily 2-3h walks.

>>31680 Being skilled with technology is a huge turn on for a lot of girls. My ex used to say I looked hot when I coded because I would focus so hard. So, probably your problem is not that you are physically unattractive or that you are too interested in computers. Probably the problem is that you are just inept at navigating the early stages of courtship. I think this is a common problem, I have it too (all my past relationships started because of luck and random events). I don't have advice I'm just saying I think we have similar problems. You might come out of your shell a little in college, I did, and it seems like you are less of an outcast than I was going in. Best of luck lain.

>>31682 >Being skilled with technology is a huge turn on for a lot of girls. >*whispering in ear* I exclusively compile from source on Gentoo Linux >I knew you were a powerful stallion when I saw you use regex! Take me now, I cannot wait!

>>31682 >Being skilled with technology is a huge turn on for a lot of girls ..Its not "with technology". Girls are attracted to passion / extreme interest.

>>31684 I think it heavily depends on the cultural environment maybe for upper class people especially in a context like university lower class normal people are very put off by any focused interest 'cause it's weird

>>31684 I mean, extreme focus on stamp collecting isn't usually considered attractive. Perhaps it has more to do with the perceived difficulty of the task. Like feats of strength but for the brain. Same could be said of music etc. >>31685 hmm, not so sure. I think that's really more about which traits are more advantageous. Lower-class women really need to have someone who can look out for them, they are very vulnerable without a protector of some kind. In some places that may mean being tough, but in other places it may mean being intelligent and having the capacity to make a lot of money. At a younger age most girls will still be too immature to do this mental calculus though. I think especially as you age, intelligence becomes more highly prized, especially among intelligent women.

>>31686 >I think especially as you age, intelligence becomes more highly prized, especially among intelligent women. I think you're conflating intelligence with cunning. As a dweller of an absolute dumpster of a city, I can tell you that people here have absolutely no interest in hearing about your weird soykaf that isn't sportsball or money, and if you say anything about your hobby no matter how basic they look at you like pic related

>>31687 >I think you're conflating intelligence with cunning. ultimately I think they're the same thing. >As a dweller of an absolute dumpster of a city, I can tell you that people here have absolutely no interest in hearing about your weird soykaf that isn't sportsball or money, and if you say anything about your hobby no matter how basic they look at you like pic related You get that at universities too, and among "intellectual" crowds if your interests don't align with theirs. As long as you don't go in too much depth, it doesn't repel people. Nobody wants to hear about what you would like to talk about but they do like hearing about your skills and abilities, because even a retard knows that if you know stuff about computers you can probably fix theirs.

>>31688 >because even a retard knows that if you know stuff about computers you can probably fix theirs. These people don't have a computer at home.

>>31689 then their phone. Doesn't really matter, unless you're on the Mongolian steppe technology is ubiquitous.

>>31690 You have never seen a dumb ass normal person from a backwater soykafhole, have you?

>>31691 what, you think normans don't have phones? What kind of backwater do you mean?

>>31618 just checked lain for the first time in a while, I have a couple big things to so for work but once ifs done I’ll watch it and think of you lain <3

>>31692 It's complicated. If you do "weird stuff" with your computer you are not "good with computers", you do "weird stuff". They wouldn't let you touch their phone or computer because you'd do "weird stuff"on it. They'd rather go to their friend who knows where to download cracked apps, that's the tech genius they need (even if they get their phone infested with malware). I can't even get them to install an adblock extension for their browser because they think it's weird psycho stuff that will get their phone "all fuarrrked up". If you are in the realm of Linux users, and God forbid they see you use a terminal you are a nutcase and probably retarded.

>>31701 Had this happen to me once. Had this retired friend of the family that I used to help out with IT issues, everything from resetting email passwords to installing a new hard drive after his died. Got a WhatsApp message one day saying that he had someone else look at it, likely to put a load of warez on it, saying that I'd ripped him off by installing an "illegal hard drive" and that he was told to get a newer computer and never ask me for advice again. Cheeky fuarrrker even had the nerve to ask for his money back, even though he only ever paid me in beer.

>>31703 This is so frequent with me it gets unreal. I have impostor syndrome those rare times someone acknowledges something I can do in this city. I would like to say I've been gaslit but that's a catch-22 because I also wonder if the gaslighting is just my denial. I know for sure that when I speak to foreigners in other languages they do understand me, and sometimes compliment me on the language; my scripts seem to work even though I'm not interested in programming, I can easily work my way around Linux, self-diagnose issues, compile stuff, configure stuff. I can bring up the books I quote facts from, I can understand a philosophy book, but somehow I'm treated like a complete and utter retard by everyone. Maybe what I can do is too trivial to even consider? But then I tell these folks >"Why don't you use an adblocker? Just go on the add-ons page and-" >"No no no, no weird stuff on my phone, you're gonna mess my sh*t up." or >"this @%@#$ program has this problem!!!" >"why don't you use this functionality of the program, it will fix the problem" >"dude I'm not gonna touch anything, I don't wanna lose my sh*t 'cause of your thing" >"you won't lose anything, you just have to go in the menu and check the box that says-" >"just let me do it my way ok?" Or I explain something they brought up but don't know anything about and they look at me like >>31687 Or there's a guy who works in tech (the guy people ask for help to) and I bring up Raspberry Pi and he just changes the subject to something else. I just don't understand. Maybe I am delusional and my self-perception is so wrong it's almost hallucinatory, since I look in the mirror and I see a normal looking person, but I'm actually completely unaware that I have a crippling speech impediment and I'm cross-eyed? I don't use weird jargon, I speak normally, I have no idea why people perceive me like this.

Sometimes (like right now) I just lose all motivation to do anything. I look at how society is right now and I don't really want to participate in it. But the more I think about it the more sure I am that there is no realistic way to escape the bull soykaf. I don't want to "homestead" because there is very little arable land left, water is becoming scarce too, if your homestead has enough resources to support reliable food production they will probably be privatized by Nestle or something. People already get kicked out of their own house because it's "unsuitable for permanent habitation" by some arbitrary standard. You don't have the right to bodily autonomy any more. You have some degrees of freedom but over all your body is controlled. You only have the right to eat and drink what the state wants you to eat and drink, live where the state wants you to live. And god forbid you have kids, the state will absolutely label you a 'child abuser' for not sending your kid to the national brainwashing facility. I don't even think it's some grand conspiracy. I think the sad truth is that it's a natural evolution of the industrial nation-state. It becomes this sick hell where everything is controlled, everywhere is settled. And it's not even really controlled, it's just that arbitrary rules are enforced while chaos boils underneath. Great for people who want to game the system, terrible for people like me who just want to leave it behind. Within a few years I bet they'll start rounding up vagrants(and anyone else who does not participate in the centralized Capitalist economy) and sending them to extermination facilities, nobody will even complain. You can't even hide in the woods(the ones that still exist, anyway), they'll do aerial scans with heat cameras. I just want to lay in a field on a nice summer day and wait for the ground to swallow me. But soon enough the mood passes, I feel like doing things again, some idiotic optimist inside me regains control and I start fantasizing about a future life in a trailer in the boonies, meeting a hippie wife, etc etc. A stupid unrealistic life that could make no sense. I used to live near a homeless guy's camp. He wasn't like the others, he kept his space tidy and he was friendly to everyone in the neighborhood, most of them were friendly to him. On cold nights people would come out and give him tea and cigarettes. I suspect he worked sometimes too. I sort of fantasize about being like him... I don't think I have the guts to give up my comfortable middle class lifestyle though.

>>31701 >>31708 imo that attitude is somewhat rational. These people want to avoid learning about computers for various reasons. Tech ignorance can even be a kind of status symbol. It is a mistake to think that they can be taught if they are just exposed to tools that require them to learn, because they actively refuse to learn. If you want to avoid learning anything about technology, the last thing you want is a tool that won't work properly without a basic understanding of it. You install an ablocker, and then one day they find a website that tells them it won't work unless they turn off their adblocker. Now they can't access that website until they learn how to disable adblock or route around those messages, but they are absolutely unwilling to do that. So now they are worse off than they were to begin with, and it's your fault. Linux is far, far worse in this respect, because the level of understanding your OS may end up demanding goes way deeper than just navigating a simple graphical interface and making a handful of google searches. For these people, uncustomized mobile devices are the ideal, because these devices are designed to be used without any actual understanding of what you are doing. If they use some feature of their phone/tablet and you ask them how they did it, they won't be able to tell you; it's all muscle memory the software tricked them into developing. They don't have any actual knowledge of what they are doing, and that's how they like it.

>>31711 What about the other hostility? Whenever I say anything beyond small talk it's like I said ultra pretentious stuff in Shakespearean English while adjusting 3 inch thick glasses over my nose. How do I check if I'm actually like that? Maybe it's not what I say and I just have a really annoying voice? I sound normal in a recording, though I've become hyper-aware of my speech because of this stuff going on since I was a kid, and finally taking a toll on my confidence. I think I'm unremarkable and I know how to handle a subject, I don't go immediately in depth about something or talk down to people. When I changed environment I got completely different feedback. Maybe there are rumors about me in this city? I swear, it feel so alienating.

>>31645 I am using the toxin from the plant Poison Hemlock, which is supposed to cause muscle paralysis and death, wouldn't recommend it if you want a quick and clean way to go because if you mess it up you'll be in for a very painful experience, and even if you do consume a lethal amount it will still be very uncomfortable, to say the least. Better than downing bleach and windshield fluid though.

>>31713 Hard to say, I get the same feeling. Like there's some subtle quality about me that I'm not aware of, but others are aware of and find repulsive or unsettling once they notice it. My guess is this is partly because my face is too expressive, and my emotions are different than what they expect or want them to be. In your examples it sounds kind of like power struggles; that those people are rejecting your advice out of hand because to accept it would be acknowledging some kind of weakness or inferiority. If it's only happening in one environment it could just be a cultural thing, that the kind of response you're giving is misinterpreted as aggressive or insulting.

>>31682 >Being skilled with technology is a huge turn on for a lot of girls. You're probably rignt, competence is a desirable trait. Though tech has always been shrouded by nerd and geek stereotypes, which is what I feel like is my problem. I'm also defenitely soykaf at the whole courtship thing, I just think it's more than that since I don't even get that far most of the time. >You might come out of your shell a little in college Haha my english has gotten good enough for me to blend in! I'm going to university in Europe soon, though your advice applies there too. >>31684 >>31687 I think it's a competence thing. If you have a hobby and are extremely passionate about it you're probably going to get good at it. And if we're all honest; guy, girl or else - competence is one of the most desirable attributes a partner can have.

>>31701 >It's complicated. If you do "weird stuff" with your computer you are not "good with computers", you do "weird stuff". If you portray yourself correctly you may instead be perceived as a "hacker". A lot of people ask me this if they see me using a terminal. This could be either good or bad depending on how cool these people think criminal acts are. >>31713 you might just not be using enough slang or might have the wrong accent. Both are very important for signifying belonging in a social group.

I just got home from a job interview and... I didn't make it, I didn't get the job. It was the only intervew I could get in months, and I was pretty confident about it, so at least it was a humbling experience. I'm not that qualified so I'm kinda hopeless. Well, back to scretch, I guess.

>>31722 >My guess is this is partly because my face is too expressive, and my emotions are different than what they expect or want them to be. Hey I have this in common with you. I'm like an open book. Maybe that's the thing.

Mistakes were made so long ago, yet their results linger to this day. This is unfair. The fact that a few rash decisions you made when you were young can leave you crippled and in pain for the rest of your life with no chance of recovery is so unfair. I wish I could let go, but the body itself serves as a constant reminder. I wish I could flee from the pain and discomfort forever. The thought of living like this, carrying all the regret till old age is harrowing. I don't want any of this.

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>>31753 If I had a time machine the first thing I would do is go back and time and beg the younger version of me to look after my teeth better. You don't realise just how important and irreplaceable your body is.

I just realized that 2007 was 13 years ago.

>>31756 God, same here. In my childhood I was so scared of going to the dentist that mom gave up on trying to make me go, and now I'm paying for it at age 28 with a couple missing teeth and a mouthful of cavities. And it's only going to get worse. I could get myself fixed, but it'd cost my life savings and would likely leave me in pain for weeks.

im the guy whos ex left him for his best friend and whos friend group sided with them. luckily i found a few people that are on my side, but it is like kicking dead whales down the beach that i am forced to hang out with the soykafty ones. it disgusts me. been thinking about ending it all lately.

>>31761 Its not certain. Dentists are the bottom tier of med. Lots of fuarrrkups that can screw you up as well as scammers who do unnecessary soykaf to make extra income. So might be better, might worse. What you really ought to do is eat clean. You can even somewhat reverse damage with the right diet. Other dude and you might want to look into this.

>>31784 I'm the other dude and its too late for me, I've already had plenty of root canals and filling work done.

>>30921 i'm on adderall right now and i feel nothing there are different ways to feel like a zombie too much dopamine makes one a zombie also drugs like adderall i feel free free from emotions but i'm empty inside very logical but anything in excess is no good and logic is no exception computer brain drug is what adderall is, it makes your brain a computer luckily though i'm not gonna kms or anything because that'd require emotion something else interesting is that the grass is always greener on the other side when i'm off adderall and i try doing my homework i am absolutely miserable (i do it 2-4 times slower than others no matter how hard i try, can't focus (though no adderall can be better for more creative homework like writing)) but now i'm miserable because i'm not creative or myself and i feel soulless and i don't feel like doing anything (maybe the problem is i expect to feel like doing something (instead of just doing my homework whether or not i feel anything)) i guess it's just left brain vs right brain there's pros and cons to each, each has its advantages and disadvantages, but i guess it'd be cool to have to have the pros of both at the same time or not our problems are what make life interesting, otherwise things'd be too boring then again, who says life needs to be interesting i certainly don't find it interesting right now, and i'm doing more or less ok but what's "ok"? surviving and not being dead? being happy? but then again you can't be happy without being unhappy or maybe not you know those utopias where everyone's high on drugs 24/7? well that's constant happiness no? well idk because i feel dopamine would settle to that level see it becomes normal the soma and orgies and crap become boring and then what do you do? more of them? more of them more extreme? yeah but even then doesn't it get boring? idk i notice that towards the end of summer break things get super boring for me yeah, do the daily routine, play instruments, exercise, etc, but if that gets boring? well who's to say things need to get boring from enough doing them? isn't that a myth? why can't you just stay content doing the same thing over and over again? why do things need to be different? idk maybe we're bored so we give ourselves the problem of boredom even if we wouldn't be bored otherwise mhm the best i can find about homework is that you just need to enjoy it problem with me is i expect too much from it i expect it to be fun unrealistic expectations i expect too much from life now that i think about it or do i? life is not like the movies though the idea that there's bad endings and good endings isn't really true it's not the ending it's the journey and what metric says what makes a journey good or bad? it's all relative so then relative to others' lives? so? it's too subjective, but clearly you can tell some people seem to have better more fulfilling lives than others, so there's gotta be some way of getting objective metrics for life goodness but i was gonna say all that stuff's emotional why not learn from adderall and just expect mehness? i mean neutrality not good not bad but maybe the problem with adderall me procrastinating homework is that i expect there to be feelings i expect homework to be boring to me i want to be like adderalless me so i imitate the boredom feeling even though i don't actually feel it the boredom feeling is a feeling and requires the emotional desire to do other stuff so if there is no emotional desire to do other stuff there should be no boredom feeling and in fact there isn't

>>31814 so i just need to robozombie charge through my homework without feeling anything? i wanna say sounds good, but doesn't really because that's a value adjective and i feel nothing right now so it would not be accurate

>>31815 shoot, i'm too new here, the names are different i'm here because i blocked myself out of all the other imageboards because they were wasting my time (or i was wasting my time on them) at least this one's more wholesome

>>31814 i liked reading this, if i dont start doing my homework right before the adderall kicks in i end up thinking too hard or researching something im interested in thats otherwise irrelevant i get really emotional on it honestly, like i have more energy to be vocally suicidal/angry. which i guess makes sense since its a stimulant

I wish I was white, being a minority is like kicking dead whales down the beach. I get bullied all the time because of my race and I always get picked on. I wish I had a better family, it's impossible to talk to my dad let alone talk to him without him acting like a child. I hate having a messed up family, because then my closest family members always do stupid things, and finally I hate myself for doing certain things, there has to be a fix somewhere. Why couldn't I be normal, I should have been normal, where did I go wrong?

>>31756 Funny thing is sometimes I go week without brushing my teeth and I never really feel guilty for doing so, I remember sometimes to brush because my parents payed insane amount of money to get me braces after I got them messed up in a accident that happened when I was little, not to mention I had to get some cavities out from my gum. I try to brush everyday but it is a pain sometimes.

Been simping for this girl on twitter called Chloe Condon ... the dream of having a cute gf has been getting to me. Am I getting into midlife crisis? and anyone has had experiences with nerd girls? tell me what it was like

>>31829 She was overweight, into yaoi but bitches about yuri, had coloured hair half shaven. Nice enough girl but a lot of issues and we never clicked. Opposites attract IMO. I think having different hobbies is a good thing because it gives you some personal time. That and you can most likely get any girl who likes you to at least try your hobbies. That’s how I got my current gf into fishing despite her being a vegetarian lol.

>>31830 Do you look like a chad in someway? I assume most nerd girls always go for the chads, since it seems normal. so if she's into computers and I'm into some lame stuff like hunting or guns I can get her? never thought of it like that

>>31829 How can you feel anything but contempt for something so fake? That doesn't even look like a person, it looks like a product.

>>31833 >I assume most nerd girls always go for chads I might be qualified to be classified as a "nerd girl" and possibly have a couple of "nerd girl" friends (into programming/math/infosec and non-mainstream visual media, that kind of thing; they're a lot more social than me, though), so I'll barge in: most nerd girls are introverted (sometimes also socially inept) so you do have to take the initiative most of the time or you'll never get anywhere. But you don't have to "look like a chad" as in really handsome/ripped/anything like that. It may be nice, but the more important thing is being able to impress the girl with your intelligence. Also, listen to what she says and ask questions, but that applies to any girl.

even while knowing the reason and knowing how disgusting the air was yesterday, waking up to an orange, darkened sky felt relieving for once. it felt like i had nothing to do

>>31829 had a video gamer gf for a few months. It was nice, I regret how it ended to be honest.

>>31837 >most nerd girls are introverted (sometimes also socially inept) so you do have to take the initiative most of the time or you'll never get anywhere. A bit too relatable.

It's pretty wacky that your actions may have a long-lasting effect on other people. One person I used to be close friends with has changed almost completely after I couldn't reciprocate the feelings they developed for me and all contact was cut. From a relatively cheerful person they turned into an emo-kid. At least they retained their dignity and haven't become all that depraved, I guess, but I have no way of knowing for sure now. It just feels so weird.

>>31851 whenever I think of videogaming gf's can't help but think of twitch girls >>31837 oh thanks for the advice, I mean i'm not gonna use but thanks anyways

>>31865 what did you do? punch her? and try to get this person from going full on emo, it will literally destroy her life (I know so) they will always blame someone else

>>30921 I just want to leave and drop out. I want to take a backpack, a tent, and the supplies I need, and just walk off into the sunset. Maybe I'd go far, maybe I'd find what I'm searching for. Who knows.

>>31903 No matter how far you run or how much you hide, you can't escape your demons, it is something you must face head-on. Have you ever heard of the story of Chri Mccandless? He did exactly that, packed up everything he could carry and drove halfway across the world to Alaska to escape his problems, but in the end, he realized that he can't just simply run away from everything and he tried to go back home to face his issues head-on, but before he could make it he was poisoned by a plant and eventually died. I think you should take his story to heart because no matter where you're planning to run off to, it won't solve your issues, whatever you're facing you need to attack head on.

>>31867 >whenever I think of videogaming gf's can't help but think of twitch girls nah she was really into programming video games actually. Very shy nerdy girl. Really cute but she had acne scars. We met through a dnd group. >>31903 I feel that mang. I've been saving up a little cash, I should be able to buy a nice enough trailer soon, I already have a truck I could use, then all I need is some little plot of land out in the boonies (preferably somewhere with reliable water), bring some seeds and spores with me, burn my phone and all state ID except my birth certificate(for emergencies), and live the chill life away from screens. I'd rather live through the end of industrial civilization on my own terms, and at least have some peace and quiet to read and study. Preferably I'd have some nearby neighbors who aren't soykafbags. If I had a gf who wanted to do this with me I would *absolutely* do it. Right now I'm still iffy, some other things that I might want to do in society still and I figure that if I go through with that plan it's a one-way street.

>>31904 Only when you can step away from your demons do you see what they are.

>>31868 Nah. All I did was start dropping hints I had no romantic attraction when it dawned upon me that they were into me, and then when I was finally confronted about this I told them everything they had to know and we cut all ties since then. I shouldn't and don't feel guilty about not having feelings for them, but seeing the consequences of my rejection does make me feel slightly guilty. They bought a leather jacket, decorative chains and damn Doc Martens and act brash and punk-ish, from what I saw and heard. Their avatar is now an edgy photo of theirs, for crying out loud. This seems borderline comical, but I can't shake off the feeling that they were genuinely affected by the entire affair and this is actually how they express their emotions and everything. I wish I could tell them to snap out of it, but who am I to tell them this? Plus, I'm not exactly willing to communicate with them, as it would be extremely awkward and embarrassing.

>>31904 what if the issue is that you don't enjoy the lifestyle made available to you by conventional living? What if the issue is that you don't want to participate in an economic system that you view as predatory and incomprehensible? What if the issue is that you simply cannot fit in with 'regular' life?

I liked it more when I daydreamed about stuff that wasn't actually viable.

>>31728 >managed to get interviewed for a job in January >didn't get it >applied for the same job this month with a slightly better resume >didn't get an interview

>>31918 >>31728 I know its small comfort but its genuinely not an issue with you at the moment, the job market has gone to soykaf thanks to covid layoffs. Theres reports of entry level min wage jobs getting thousands of applications from the desperate and a solid chunk of jobs aren't going to come back thanks to a lot of companies using this as an excuse to automate.

>>31907 >They bought a leather jacket, decorative chains and damn Doc Martens I think I did something like that after breaking up with my partner, but it wasn't even because of the breakup. Are you sure they changed their image because of you and not because they started thinking it's cool to be like that/wanted a change in their life? If you two don't even talk (and you aren't into punkish people), seems like you're kind of imagining things.

>>31906 >>31908 Of course, taking a break from the stress in your life may be necessary and even helpful to put the situation into perspective, however, you cannot expect to run off into the woods and expect your issues to be magically solved. Chris and Ted Kaczynski learned this the hard way.

Today I start Year 3 of being unemployed after graduating from college with a degree in Computer Science Everyday my worthless diploma becomes more worthless. I see no path in life that I can take. I am upset that I was lied to for so long that academic success and trying your hardest could get you anywhere. I don't plan to make it to Year 5.

>>31929 did you even read my post? The issue is that I don't want to live in this soykafhole civilization. I know I could "succeed" if I tried, but I don't think it is worth the effort.

>>31932 Anon, I think you're missing the point, my point is: You CANNOT escape civilization or it's changes. You could run away and hide in Siberia or the Canadian Tundra, but no one really wishes to do such a thing, and civilization will always find you, one way or the other.

>>31933 it may find me, but it can't make me play its game. Why are you telling me to confront my problems head on, but then telling me that doing so is impossible?

>>31934 Anon, running away isn't facing your problems, You may not like it, but coming to terms with civilization may be the only way forward, I'm not telling you to be a wage slave that sits in an office for 12 hours a day, but if you wish to live a somewhat happy life, then you need to come to terms with civilization, flaws and all. I don't know you or your individual issues, but what I do know is that no person in the modern era has successfully hidden away from civilization and avoided it. May I ask what your plan for fighting it would be?

>>31939 >Anon, running away isn't facing your problems it quite literally is. >I don't know you or your individual issues, but what I do know is that no person in the modern era has successfully hidden away from civilization and avoided it. the North Sentinalese people would disagree >May I ask what your plan for fighting it would be? already posted here >>31905 I have no problem with civilization existing around me, I just want to not live in a city and I want to not have to slave away to pay rent, and I want to grow my own food.

>>31941 >North Sentinalese That is literally only one group that are only allowed to stay because they are a gimmick. Plenty of other tribes are murdered every year.