adhd and art

Looking for conversation and suggestions with other adhd people I've been drawing all my life, but now I can't focus on a single drawing long enough to work on it. My sketchbooks have turned into endless pages of mindless doodles. Has anything like this happened to you, if you have any creative hobbies?

>>30546 i feel you, talked to my therapist about it so i think i can give you some free threapy advice, use your computer/smartphone less, in fact, a good excersice is drawing in a room without computers, just you, your paper and your tools, it might seem boring or awkward at first but it helps lots, also i think you can listen to music while painting just so it isn't so boring and also have some stimulus for your creativity

I hardly ever manage to finish anything if thats what youre asking. Have you thought of going outdoors some place to chill and just do nothing other than draw or whatever, leave your electronics at home.

I started drawing to quell boredom in school because teacher was too slow for me, past school in university i started using youtube lectures & twitch as content to consume while drawing at home. The problem is merely that you get bored. So you gotta have some additional content to make it a challenge to do both at same time. tldr: just feed your adhd with multitasking.

yep similar thing with me OP, nothing but mindless doodles and I lost the little bit of creativity I had years ago, nothing left. I get the itch to draw everyday but it just leads to me getting angry followed by intense self hate and feelings of helplessness

Post your doodles They might be worth something as outsider art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art

>>30614 implying anyone is gonna sell anything here. Anyway this might be interesting to you, i cant recall faces but recognize people. Always got faces wrong. So what im doing now is simply sell 3d models of everything that is not people.

Not ADHD myself, but something an art teacher once told me was if I couldn't focus on something (or I got bored) I should move on to another project. Then go back to the original and choose to build it up some more, then rinse and repeat. Maybe you can juggle a lot of these.

>>30625 >i cant recall faces but recognize people Same. I fear I could see a picture of my own parents and not be sure I recognize them. Horrifying and embarassing.

>>30614 I feel everything got weebified on the net. Detailed artwork is getting replaced with more stylized less detailed art. Of course the same was bemoaned in building architecture before "weeb" had any meaning. It might be a general trend and not that much correlated to moeshit & lower budgets leading to a common strive to less detail.

God, do I feel you. I've been into programming, music composition, and sprite art since I was 13, but despite being 28 now I have barely anything to show for it. Just a mountain of unfinished projects on my hard drive. Hell, outside of programming, I've hardly gotten any practice in because I just know it's going to be another unfinished project, squelching my motivation almost instantly. So my art looks crude and my music sounds either boring or grating. One thing I've noticed is that I'm able to finish something if there's another person to motivate me to do it, or if I think someone else might like it. So the programming projects I've made for school, I've finished all of it. And I sometimes make scripts and software modifications to make things easier at work, and that all gets finished because the whole company benefits from what I've written. Meanwhile I'll start, say, a game project, and initially there's a huge rush of "dude this is gonna be great, I bet people would love it!" that drives me to work on it for a couple weeks. That motivation then drains away once I start to feel like no one would care. I'll still get ideas for it that I'll jot down in org-mode, but I never get the motivation to put in actual work. I wish I had some advice to offer. They diagnosed me with ADHD as a kid, but they didn't do much besides put me on a couple different pills. No guidance or anything like that.

>>30769 I can recognize people safe on a photo. Its really just that i cant picture how someone looks from memory. My theory is brain does some form of hashing for the face and only safes the result. So it has no step back but it can pattern match everyone efficiently. >>30835 Do group projects. Solo projects you end up going too slow and getting bored. You likely dont care for all parts anyway. Having most of the work done by someone else and being able to focus on your own little niche is amazing.

I feel you. I've felt the urge to write fiction for years, and even when I have a good idea, I just can't properly collect my thoughts or summon the dedication to flesh it out. I have a journal where I infrequently write short entries. I feel like I'd be a prolific writer if my brain wasn't wired this way, but I try to avoid framing myself as dysfunctional.

>>30625 Decided to retry. I think it looks less wrong? Need someones opinion since i dont trust myself. Kinda strange considering i didnt draw people for years. Expected it to decline not improve. (the original post was done ~5 years ago, i stopped doing people as said because i gave up on improving)

>>30835 >Meanwhile I'll start, say, a game project, and initially there's a huge rush of "dude this is gonna be great, I bet people would love it!" that drives me to work on it for a couple weeks. That motivation then drains away once I start to feel like no one would care. That has nothing to do with ADHD, that's just realism. Unless it's porn, pandering to American snowflakes with money, or advertised up your nose with megacorp funds, literally nobody will care. And if they do, they'll not give you a dime for it, not even a "thank you". The only way to be relevant today is to be already relevant.

>>31190 Bullshit. Indies still survive. And if you want to get rich you dont go anywhere close to art anyway.

>>31193 >Indies still survive. Oh please, if you're not sponsoring the special snowflake demiqueertrans lesbian trigender furries of color who are fanatic enough to support you because of your identity, making porn to appeal to people's fetishes, or making heavily derivative "fan work" with your "indie" product you may as well not exist. Unless you are talking about all the "Indies" owned by entertainment corps or people who walked out of an entertainment corp to make "their own studio", just take a look at how many of them are stationed in California, or came out of major entertainment venues. Look at their contacts and who they're friends with, their spouses etc. Even Kickstarter is nothing but marketing, crowdfunding was almost DOA to begin with. You don't receive funding if you don't have money for a massive ad campaign to promote the KS. It's a catch-22 that only people who are rich or backed by corps can come out of. But keep believing your fairytales about opportunity and indepedence, anything grassroots is completely dead.

>>31193 >And if you want to get rich you dont go anywhere close to art anyway. Actually being rich is the biggest reason to do something like art. You have contacts, money and opportunity to make it happen, and if you fail you can still do something else because, guess what, you can do anything you want. If you're broke and a nobody you won't move an inch upwards on your own two legs, especially when it comes to the internet.

>>31651 read what you quote - its "want to be" not "are" rich. You actually had the same opinion. >>31650 What you wrote is true in that it helps immensely but there are literal nobodies surviving as indies. I find now and then some dude who did a decade of indie dev i never heard about and his games look trash but he somehow made enough with it. There are literally forever average dudes who lived on this without becoming lucky stars like flappy bird. I think the common approach is somewhere close to dwarf fortress - target a group of people nobody else caters too. Marketing is of course still crucial and if you listen to them they put immense value on building a community that sustains itself to stay relevant.

>>31657 >target a group of people nobody else caters to This, or just figure out a formula and crank out phone games. Once you get basic systems down you can just re-skin over and over. I forget where I heard this, probably a podcast or something, but some guy just made a simple matching puzzle game thing and then wrote some tools to just replace the pictures you match with various royalty free images. The trick was getting hyper specific. Like candy crush except the "candy" is pictures of antique motorcycles or guinea pigs or something. IIRC his most popular app ended up being a dolphin version for whatever reason. No single game has to be all that popular because you just spam so many that collectively you have a pretty big user base. Ideally this sort of thing could keep you housed and fed while you work on your passion projects.

>>31658 this might be the talk you are talking about -they automated slot machine generation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Lhqri8tZk

>>31659 ah yes, that's the one. slot machine not matching game.

>>31658 > Ideally this sort of thing could keep you housed and fed while you work on your passion projects. I wish I had the strength to do this kind of stuff. I am cynical enough to think of something that would work with normal people, but I have too much dignity. You just have to be really cynical and have no respect for people to come up with the formula.

>>31657 >read what you quote - its "want to be" not "are" rich. You actually had the same opinion. I understood perfectly well what I quoted. I meant to say that making a career in art become feasible when you are already rich. What the lain meant was >you're going to be poor with art, so rich people wouldn't do it Which is a completely wrong way of looking at it. This isn't how it works. Rich people are the only people who are motivated to have a career in art because, guess what, you come out of CalArts and you have a job (if you are poor and you put yourself in massive debt to ape what the rich do you'll just end up with debt). Or you have a connection with a money launderer and he makes you his protege. Money isn't just a resource, it's a multiplier and on top of all, it's a cult. If you are a poor person and you decide to make art you will not be "poor", you will be homeless. You will have to cut more and more time from your passion to put together some money in other ways, and you will never have to resources to get anywhere with your work alone because you don't have the connections anyway. Unless of course your work is pornographic or pander to the lowest common denominator in some other way.

>>31666 i feel you. i think SEO is really interesting conceptually, but i've never been able to find it in myself to actually go through with making a proper content farm. even beyond the sense of pride, it's just really tedious frustrating work. >You just have to be really cynical and have no respect for people to come up with the formula maybe, but from talking to people who do this kind of thing i've found them to be a lot less cynical or misanthropic than you'd expect. the general approach is very darwinian in a way. there isn't some psychopath who sat down in front of a blank slate and came up with "Fortnite Finger Family Calls Slender Man At 3AM (GONE SEXUAL)". instead, you have a bunch of people trying out a bunch of different things, dropping what fails and developing what works. chase that white rabbit long enough and that is where you end up.

>>31669 >from talking to people with no moral boundaries who set up a manipulative business that's built on compulsive lies, deceit and pandering to people's worst instincts, I've found them to be a lot less cynical or misanthropic than you'd expect. I'm sure they're absolutely sweet, ethical people who have a lot of empathy and that's totally their real persona.

>>31670 Ethics doesnt mean your ethics. Ive done seo including blackhat seo. My view is simple - they got warned for decades and ignored it berating the very people trying to help as paranoid. So fuarrrk em. Secondary they dont want to pay for anything. Where else is the money gonna come from if not from dissecting their data? Its the only value they are freely willing to give away so that's what its gonna be.

>>31672 >Secondary they dont want to pay for anything. >So fuarrrk em. Yeah I 100% completely agree, and I say "fuarrrk them" too but I simply cannot act according to that. I cannot say "oh I'm just going to become a sociopath now and tell lies all the time and manipulate people". I've also tried to do it and life becomes so disarmingly easy, it's like using a cheat code. But I can't do it, I have too many second thoughts. Those people are full of soykaf.

>>31670 i think you're misunderstanding me. i was responding to >You just have to be really cynical and have no respect for people to come up with the formula. by pointing out that nobody really "comes up with the formula". it's just fairly normal people working under an amoral incentive structure where the right choice is whatever gets clicks. personality-wise these types tend to be apathetic and vaguely trollish rather than genuinely sociopathic (at least from what i've seen). it's no more (or less) cynical or misanthropic than being an engineer for facebook or whatever. i'm sure you could argue this makes these people complicit, and perhaps that complicity makes them bad people, but that's kind of beside the point because i'm not trying to make an ethical judgement here. i'm just talking about what consciously motivates the behavior. personally, i tend to agree with >>31672 . i'm more disgusted with the culture that demands such vile things than the people who make a living satisfying that demand.

>>31676 >it's no more (or less) cynical or misanthropic than being an engineer for facebook or whatever. You mean these people? >The constant negative media attention is annoying, but I make 5x what I did at Oracle 8 years ago,” read one response from a Facebook employee. “And frankly, I’d be more embarrassed to tell people that I worked at Oracle than FB.” >“Morale is super high,” reads the post from a self-described engineer. “We are paid a ton. Looking forward to my yearly bonus of $100k. fuarrrk ethics. Money is everything.”

>>31676 > I'm more disgusted with the culture that demands such vile things than the people who make a living satisfying that demand. And yes, I generally hate when people blame "the man" instead of looking at their own choices, but I still cannot be one of the actors. This is also a personal gain thing, having poor ethics in my position will lead me to nothing. I know that I would suffer from it, even if I managed to gain a lot of money. I just have other priorities, and I hate that what the world tells you is >adapt or kill yourself Entirely out of pride I won't kill myself because it would be a defeat, but I also know that I have to detach myself from this way of thinking as much as possible. This is usually the position from which people would go in solitary retreat and become monks or hermits. I can't do that, so it's going to be difficult to continue functioning. As I said you cannot completely leave the environment without death.

>>31679 maybe it sounds like i'm trying to talk you out of your viewpoint. i'm definitely not, i think it's admirable in a way.

>>30546 I used to draw. Did it for GCSEs then didn't do it. These days if I have a pen and paper I just draw patterns for some reason. I don't understand it myself

>>31669 I disagree. That finger family Elsa soykaf it 100% child grooming by pesos. Look up investigating youtube

>>31747 Not that lain and I don't know what the finality is (and honestly, you deserve whatever you get if you allow your child to watch that soykaf) but that soykaf exists exclusively to cheat the YT algorithm. It's made so that a kid taps video 1 and almost inevitably will get a suggestion for video 2. There is much darker stuff than the finger family stuff. There is a whole lot of animal torture on YouTube that is obviously targeted at kids. There are very popular channels about creative mouse "traps" and other soykaf that is disguised as pest control but is actually sadistic soykaf. There are the "grinder" videos where there's an industrial shredder and they throw toys and other stuff in it, and that includes animals like fish, octopi, etc. and animal meat. In the thumbnail they show a picture of a live chicken implying they'll put it in the shredder. There are videos where animals (mostly fish) are cut up alive. These are all channels made by 3rd worlders and titled in the same was as the finger family stuff. All this stuff is extremely popular with kids, and I have seen kids watch it. We are raising an entire generation of desensitized sadists.