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What is the most cyberpunk city on Earth? And where within that city is the most cyberpunk area? I want to see if an apartment there is within my budget.

Shenzen. Its not just modern but you got surveillance up the ass. You jaywalk? Instantly deducted from your account. Cameras identify who you are right as it happens. And before you even enter the city china will rate your citizen value and give you a value score A,B,C.

Used to be near Hong Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

>>30443 My thought exactly, any major city in China will do. Tokyo also comes to mind as well as Berlin or capital cities of ex-commie countries in Europe (though they might lean more towards low life). Here are some neat pics someone took while they were in Berlin. https://medium.com/high-tech-low-life/welcome-to-cyberlin-c647a61772fa

>>30446 Was in berlin way back for a conference. Kinda reminded me of soviet cities somehow although i cant say why. Also as for >30443 they wont fine you for jaywalking in berlin. I think its even legal in germany. Law just says if you get hit its on you and you pay. Shenzen might be special in the aspect that it was made to rival silicone valley and got gov support to reach said goal. Im not familiar with china but i imagine it might be ahead of other cities due to that. Tencent is also building its own mini-city for employers only. Gonna be interesting to see if this will turn out to be a complete open field cage

>>30444 yooo I love Kowloon. When I found out about it I was so upset it got demolished. I guess governments don't like when anarchy works because they don't want people to know that no one keeps governments in check and totalitarianism is still anarchy

>>30450 >Was in berlin way back for a conference. Kinda reminded me of soviet cities somehow although i cant say why. The Eastern part of Berlin was under Soviet rule.

Moscow 100%

>>30451 Working anarchy is a hilarious take, it was run by criminals exclusively.

>>30457 Anarchy implies survival of the fittest. Normal people are not though these days (especially all those political "anarchists" that are just bunch of marxist urbanised clowns larpers). So this is why criminals/mafia/paramilitary always take control.

>>30455 I went to Dresden and I could feel it to but harsher cause it was really post-war soviet.

>>30459 You're very ignorant of anarchism.

>>30462 Nope. If you want anrachy to work as a system you need first to educate people (aka force them to act as good anarchists citizens). If they refuse it's ok to purge the bad elements. It's always matter of force and confrontation. Anarchy is just a metaphysical concept. Or go for anarco individualism.

>>30463 Aside from being stupid, you really are very ignorant.

>>30464 I don't want to derail the thread so discussion is over for me. You have won 333 internet points by going "muh you stupid you ignorant" without giving any counterpoints to the arguments I offer to you.

>>30467 You need to make an argument first. Apparently you're actually dumber than lain thought.

>>30469

>>30469 You're so funny!

>>30457 >>30459 >>30461 >>30462 >>30463 >>30464 >>30467 >>30469 >>30471 >>30472 Blow it out your asses glitterboys, stop derailing threads with your political bullshit. Go back to 4chan

>>30473 Sorry senpai I wouldn't go political (I don't care about politics here, especially when it come to 4/8chan). But what would be a good cyberpunk place without good old anarchy? Afraid citizens? Mobs of violent criminals? High on drugs paramilitary rampaging the streets? Self-proclaimed tyrants? (Sincerely) sorry for putting some dark romanticism and my harsh appreciation of reality in your neon dreams...

>>30473 fuarrrk off retard.

>>30472 All these fäggots thinking that anarchy would work lol. Retarded, go fill your rëeeeeeeeeeeee quota someplace else. The only stable, prosperous societies are ruled with an iron fist. China isn't successful for nothing: they make their people bend the knee, or get dissappeared. We need that in the west. We need men with balls of steel and the will to power.

>>30473 Yeah, seconding this

>>30456 this

>>30479 good job agreeing with yourself.

>>30480 literally mordor

>>30442 look for a place with strong hacker/maker scene. Having a city where people make things happen is better than a cool scenery that doesnt do soykaf. For that Berlin would be actually a solid choice but i would look in your own country first. Outside of that riding on the first point rumania has a city known to host an excessive density of hackers but it doesnt look cyb at all. Its just the consequence of poor soykafhole with extremely low pay leading to hacking as a way out to earn a living. >>30478 China is successful cause they ignore IP laws and copy tech. They are winning cause they are breaking the rules and are also willing to fuarrrk up their enviroment for growth. Complete opposite to your retarded viewpoint. >>30484 Literally just a red tint, could do with any city.

>>30501 >Outside of that riding on the first point rumania has a city known to host an excessive density of hackers but it doesnt look cyb at all. Its just the consequence of poor soykafhole with extremely low pay leading to hacking as a way out to earn a living. I guess there's two ways to become more cyberpunk: super high tech or super low life. I'm more interested in the high tech part.

>>30480 Is this what Ted saw in his nightmares?

>>30443 What do you mean by that cameras give you a citizen value?

>>33191 Those where 2 separate points. One is about the jaywalking with the cameras. Since everything is linked they instantly identify your face and by that your bank account so they can instantly deduct the jaywalking fee. You can literally check your bank account at the other side of the road and see the deduction. The second one was about how they score you on a chart when you wish to enter the country. You get something like a school grade based on your wealth,health, education, etc. If you're high value they give privileges like lower taxes and more rights. I think branding you with a meat quality rating at entry is way more cyb than western everyones equal.

>>33192 Any source where I can study this further?

Hong Kong is probably the nicest place I know with that aesthetic. Singapore is leaning towards smart city type tech so there as well. Tokyo Im sure too. Shenzen is a crap hole I wouldnt live there but you can visit from Hong Kong.

>>33193 They have a official website where you put in your values and they show your score and the consequences of it. I considered going china several years ago and tried it myself then. Gotta dig though cause i don't remember how the system is even called since i forgot about it after it was clear i wouldnt go. Look for expats in china and you should find it, the system isn't long standing, was implemented maybe 5 years ago and widely discussed back then among expats who got it retro-active applied as they were already living inside.

>>33196 Why you wouldn't live in Shenzen? Look pretty cyberpunk to me. If anyone is interested in the city watch this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY

>>30442 Cyberpunk is less about the shining salaryman city, and more about the slums adjacent to it. Consequently, budget is not really an issue if you want true cyberpunk. If Necromancer was written today Chiba city would be set in China. Big cities in southeast Asia (Bangkok, Makati) and eastern Europe (Moscow) fit the bill too. I imagine Africa (Lagos? Kinshasa?) but I've never been.

>>30478 in what timeline is china a stable and prosperous society? remember when people were so hungry under mao's "great leap forward" they were eating literal bird soykaf? no one buys your volcano of diarrhea of a nation's braindead propaganda.

>>30442 that would be Shenzhen in China

>>33201 Cause Ive been there and it felt dirty compared to Hong Kong, also many in HK speak English. You can get ripped off more easily buying cheap tech Shenzen. They flashed the drive of something I bought to make it look bigger than it was, when I formatted it it was only 256mb instead of the 8gig it showed. The tech markets in HK are nicer. I'd go Hong Kong and see if you like Shenzen more. Oh and dont let any glamorous ladies try and turn you into a drug mule, I think that nearly happened to me.

>berlin >berlin >berlin the fuarrrk Frankfurt and Munich are far more cyberpunk Bavarian police laws in Munich coupled with powerful software industry (SAP), while in Frankfurt you have the bankers in their suits entering high-rise buildings on one street and people collapsing from heroin usage in the next street over.

>>33269 Fwiw I used to work at an ISP and all our German datacenters were in FRA and MUC, so I'd believe it. I like Berlin better though.

Any lainon's live in Zagreb, Croatia? It seems like an interesting place.

>>33215 China is an unusual country, they have effectively stratified their country through provinces and focuses that can be observed via the unofficial city tier system. Some of the provinces are far from stable (mainly in the west of china) and others aren't prosperous but there are regions and cities of China that are absolutely stable and prosperous. If you're in a tier 1 city then the city will be stable and economically prosperous even if you do have a poverty stricken underbelly.

>>30478 Is that really what you want? A "succesful" nation where the citizens are oppressed and killed? How do you define success then? Numbers on a paper? The ability to exert political influence on the world stage? Why the fuarrrk does any of that matter if life is soykaf for the people by design

>>33287 I'm a different person to the person that you originally replied to, I don't like what China has become and hope that the rest of the world does not follow it as it sounds like it is developing into a true authoritarian nightmare. I just disagreed with the claim that it wasn't stable and prosperous. China's issues do not lie with its stability or its prosperity.

>>30442 I would say that Brazil's biggest metropolitan areas (Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte and São Paulo) are the biggest candidates. Brazil is a country of contrast, but nothing sums up as well as its major cities. Low life, high tech is a reality for the part of the population whom can have smartphone but live in some places that are not very nice.

>>33306 >smartphones

>>33306 Same continent but different city. I used to live in Lima up until the mid 2000's. A recurring image from there was the business district skyline clashing with the pitch blackness of my area. Workshops clocked out at sundown and blackouts weren't uncommon so the neighborhood got pretty dark at night. Though if you got on any rooftop you could see neon buildings and highways cutting into the horizon. The future is in the distance and then you go back to your Cold War hovel. In hindsight that was pretty cyberpunk. The spread of smartphones, and even more net booths makes the contrast even sharper when your neighborhood has no A/C and half the buildings are unfinished. Or that one time we had earthquake drills conducted with drone supervision. The fact it's even cloudier than London in the winter adds to the mood. Pic related.

>>30443 Osaka comes to mind as the most cyberpunk place I've experienced. Areas in Tokyo and China would definitely have it beat, but Dotonbori's neon is otherworldly.

>>33358 Streets empty. I think part of it is the Japanese culture, they don't like to stay out late and even soykaf closes at 1500, there's no night markets, people find it rude if you eat outside so you have to shut-in in some overpriced restaurant. In theory, it is cyberpunk but in practice it never will be.

>>33374 That's beyond wrong. There's lots of late night markets, and there's lots of eateries that have outdoors venues. If you're going to open your stupid fuarrrking mouth, at least know what the fuarrrk you're talking about.

>>33374 >people find it rude if you eat outside >tokyo has world famous street food Nani the fuarrrk?

>>34462 >Nani the fuarrrk? It might be more eating and walking at the same time that they don't like. I get the stink eye from asian students when I do that in my country.

>>34520 That's a weird way to judge the character of a whole country, by glares from a few people in a different country.\Eating and walking is a bad habit, though, I don't blame them.

>>33213 >lagos I've been to Lagos and though I doubt I know about everything the city has to offer it certainly does tick some boxes: > huge devide between rich and poor > militarised police > corrupt government and civic institutions > Shanty towns Maybe if i did some research I could come up with more, or less idk. also, I think the biggest noncyberpunk thing about lagos would probably be the lack of tech. I assume both personal tech like smart phones and laptops, as well as stuff like cameras that track faces, aren't as ubiquitous as in say China.

>>34520 >It might be more eating and walking at the same time that they don't like. I get the stink eye from asian students when I do that in my country. You should have been eating a crepe, ice cream cone, or sweet potato.

>>34549 There's also the 401 scammer stereotype. I have no idea how prevalent that kind of career is in reality but making a living ripping off americans over the internet is pretty cyb.

>>34553 you mean 419 but yeah pretty cyb

>>34554 >you mean 419 Yes, I'm retarded.

Kiev unlike a lot of cyberpunk cities it's not a soykafhole, but it's run down and crappy just like every eastern European city huge punk scene, including stalkers and hackers the country is a warzone but people still fuarrrk around for youtube videos just a few miles from the front line

>>34562 From all i know west is completely calm. Saying country is warzone gives a false image. Just gotta avoid the east.

>>34563 west is completely calm but what I said holds true, and it's not like west is uninvolved with warfare.

>>34564 important for potential visitors is your chance to get killed. Personally i dont know whats going on, just heard from friend who has relative in west that nothings happening there and they live as usual.