The Net Is Being Cleansed

https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/reddit-bans-hate-speech-groups-removes-2000-subreddits-donald-trump-1234692898/ https://mashable.com/article/donald-trump-twitch-suspension/ Somebody within SF knew this was coming in advance: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/reddits_largest_ever_banwave_is_coming_monday/ We're seeing a concentrated effort in Silicon Valley to erase all the 'problematic' content on the net and are using the current moral panic as an excuse. reddit derezzed 2000 subreddits and will probably ban more and twitch is starting to purge controversial channels. We can expect to see more purges as the week goes on. What do you make of this? Do you think this is the final push to remove anything that goes against the status quo of the net? They're destroying the Internet Archive as well. Maybe Lainchan should get an onion before it's too late.

Its their own private property you commie

Reddit and Twitch are retarded anyway, I doubt that many Lainons use these (hoping) >They're destroying the Internet Archive as well. They are not >Maybe Lainchan should get an onion before it's too late. I agree that we need something to limit the accessibility of just anyone coming in, and an onion would do that while still preserving our anonymity. We don't have a huge amount of politics aside from this board. I don't think it matters either way. I don't see a reason why anything would happen as per our motto "The administration of lainchan.org has been issued 0 (zero) requests for information by any third party, including but not limited to government agencies." However we do have a lot of pdfs of books...

>reddit updating their policies >the net is being cleaned nice clickbait.

We are due some cleaning too to be honest

>>28488 See the reddit thread. There's a movement within Silicon Valley to use the tech companies' power to erase hate speech from the internet.

>>28490 (but note that "getting rid of hate speech" also ends up banning a bunch of political things that are not racist like the weenies at Chapo Trap House)

>>28491 their are just banning all ideological opponents. in example they derezzed a subreddit of feminists not in support of trannies.

>What do you make of this? Not really news worthy, it should've been common knowledge long time ago that those places are hot garbage. I believe that people who use those services are low hanging fruit, if anything they might start to look at alternative ways of communicating and they might get into libre software which would be nice. Alternatively they might start making their own weblogs which is also nice. >Do you think this is the final push to remove anything that goes against the status quo of the net? Far from it, reddit was never against the status quo, neither was twitch. It's strange to even think of twitch as going against the status quo when they're essentially owned by amazon.

lainchan is already low enough profile, we will not be targeted. The only thing we have to worry about is an influx of nonfat-soykaf drinkers. Reddit is trying to curate their walled garden, just like every other social media empire is. They don't care what happens outside. So do most normans. A far more present threat in your mind should be the FBI. Everyone who visits this site is definitely put on a list and has their online whereabouts tracked. Practice good OPSEC. Most of the subreddits that got derezzed are just propaganda machines anyway. Can't say I give a soykaf.

Good. Maybe this will show people the power of decentralization and alternative services. Not that the latter would go any well seeing as every alternate site oh-so-conveniently gets flooded with far-right dipshits, thereby giving the mainstream sites ammo to associate the smaller sites with nazis. Reddit's system is garbage anyway, as is any system where posts with more points are more visible than posts with fewer. Same goes for social media, where the visibility of your posts depends almost entirely on how many followers you have.

>>28490 they're not possible of truly censoring, you have encryped chatting services such as riot.im

>>28496 how will people even find lainchan, only way people come here is discovering from person to person i'm assuming.

Wonder if it would be financially profitable to take their derezzed users. Probably would get add companies bullied out by sjw's.

>>28505 Wrote it ambiguous, meant make a site for them to cash in on adds.

Seems like YT purged Molymeme and some others. Definitely seems like there's some sort of coup going on within the tech world.

Cruised a bit, discussions about it are getting purged in other popular places. Same happened with deletion of some tw1tch str34mers. Not gonna name since it might attract crawlers but i assume they likewise held unwanted viewpoints. >>28509 What does molymeme do?

>>28511 He's a right wing personality. Started out as a "FACTS and LOGIC" esque libertarian, but over the years slid deeper into white nationalism and authoritarianism.

>>28483 >Maybe Lainchan should get an onion before it's too late. Are you retarded

>>28483 The censorship is going on for quite a while on reddit. It started with the odd deleted comment showing up more and more often and look where it got now. This is why I abandoned the website around 5 years ago. I used to come here a lot, and it was starting to feel like home, but in the last months I've seeing a growing of politic bait threads going free of moderation which is making me come less and less often. Everyday I feel closer and closer to leave the internet behind, I am mostly going around on habit and not on enjoyment these days.

>>28496 >Everyone who visits this site is definitely put on a list and has their online whereabouts tracked. NGL, I'm a refugee on this board because it's the most quiet and inoffensive alternative board I could find. I'm not even that much into the topics (which is why I'm not looking to settle here) but I fail to see anything that would threaten the status quo. This place's greatest saving grace is that it doesn't allow porn or fetish spam threads, although the /vent/ threads will be the most likely gateway for that kind of poster. >>28515 I wanted to move onto something more personal like a Matrix or whatever, but I figured out that the Internet has become monolithic, even niche places have to have a long history. There is so much noise it's almost impossible to make a new thing and expect people to take interest in it. The primary internet is already non-interactive, which is why Reddit is sanitizing everything. Everyone who doesn't want to settle for another TV will flock to the next bigger thing, and in a domino effect every other site will collapse and get absorbed. Eventually the only spaces left will the be onions and they'll crack down on those because, let's be honest, only criminals use that soykaf in the West. If people had one ounce of responsibility there would be an easy way out but it won't happen.

>>28517 https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html This board focuses on cybersecurity and programming, as such, its more likely to get dinged. Also remember that chans in general (rightly) have a bad reputation

>>28518 All of the cyber-security talk on this board boils down to consumer products. Which VPN, which e-mail, your own server, new tech. Not to offend anybody, but all the privacy stuff seemed to resolve into a hobby rather than some kind of real activism. It's not unlike straight razor enthusiasts who wank themselves off over which 16000 grit stone is better to sharpen your razor so it cuts atoms neatly in two, and how much those disposable razors suck, how they'd never go back to them. In the end, both people are getting a shave, but for one of the two it's a hobby. It's one of many infinite consumerist rabbit holes, but you pay with time and social isolation where you don't pay with money. The privacy biz is like the mental illness biz, a giant placebo to keep undesirables busy. If the suits are monitoring this place, it's probably to verify the effectiveness of this automatic trap for the defiant. My 2 cents.

>>28504 I found lainchan through an imageboard client lol

lainchan is well-moderated enough to not have to worry about it. i wouldn't let political/ideological spam (and that's really all it is) on any service i ran, either.

If you were on reddit or twitch or whatever in the first place, you're part of the problem.

>redditors being redditors

>>28519 >All of the cyber-security talk on this board boils down to consumer products. Which VPN, which e-mail, your own server, new tech. This is just not true. Most major new vulns get their own in-depth thread, there's a lot of discussion of anonymity software, and there is an active crypto thread. That, and it also has many users with extremist political viewpoints, and many are quite skilled programmers. Considering you get put on a list for clicking "like" on an anti-government meme, this place probably has a short dossier.

>>28528 >A lot of us were telling you for years that SJWs were going to do this soykaf This comedy sketch is from 1993 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1tFbZ5kaY8

>>28528 great wall of text showing how to use lots of far-right buzzwords without saying anything rational. but i like that you're at least trying to be more subtle with your nonsense in an attempt to make it more palatable. it's still just political spam, though, and not really worth the effort to read. making it shorter and more concise might help.

>>28523 >i wouldn't let political/ideological spam (and that's really all it is) on any service i ran, either. How do you arrive at this conclusion? They have politic subreddits and frontpage is a daily insider trade of X bad. They never ban all idologies/politics, only people going against the grain. Its like a cult banning people who dont believe strongly enough. Of course it was always present through the upvote system which people mostly use as agree/disagree than insightful post / spam.

>>28534 ideological spam is usually either organized propaganda with a very distinct "smell", or just schizos. it's generally characterized by extremism of some kind and is based on bullshit with no factual basis in physical reality. if you've studied russian/corporate troll farms you begin to recognize it on sight. but it is a judgement call, and you need to have a good sense of what constitutes average ideological discourse versus organized horseshit.

2000 subreddits I think Lainchan users should be against censorship as a whole. It doesnt matter if I disagree with someones opinion, Im not going to get it shut down. Anyone who approves of this approach to debate is an undemocratic marxist. Strange that some cancel culture types consider themselves anarchists too, what they are doing is opposite of anarchy and are declaring themselves rulers instead.

>>28536 so you wouldn't throw a trouble maker out of your bbq party because that would make you an undemocratic marxist who believes in censorship? interesting viewpoint. not very practical, though.

>>28538 If your subreddit is your party. Pushing to close other subreddits is more like being jelly of your friends party being better and putting the cops on them just so their guests come to you.

They don't just cleanse the web. They flag people and cleanse society. You will never even notice wrongdoing, soykaf just happens.This is why the opioid epidemic was created. Maybe a subtle pathogenic outbreak here and there. Don't think it wasn't intent when you start hearing voices either.

>>28536 how is silicon valley marxist at all? how are they advocating for the means of production to be publically owned?

The US government has been flagging and "cleansing" society of groups like "leftists" for decades. Not if you fit certain narratives like "antifa are terrorists" of course. Chapo trap house was probably only allowed to exist to act as a honeypot. This place is probably acting as a honeypot.

>>28536 I find it a strange assumption that every Lainon is (or should be) a hardliner against this kind of soft-censorship(1), the reason I'm on here and not on 4chan is because nazis tend to get derezzed here. This isn't the government cracking down on what you can and can't say, it's a few internet companies actually enforcing the guidelines they have. The real thing to take issue with, the thing that makes this almost like real censorship is that a few internet companies own so much of the discourse that they can make a large impact. 1: By this I mean censorship known within a specific owned space, also known as moderation.

>>28545 It's not. They're just strawmanning to discredit anti-censorship.

>>28546 victim complex. If the gov wanted leftwing ideas dead they wouldnt allow gender studies to exist. You never see people fired for expressing leftwing ideas. If anything people get soykaf for not showing support. And voicing some rightwing soykaf straight up gets people fired. How the fuarrrk do you even arrive at your worldview.

>>28549 >You never see people fired for expressing leftwing ideas. Yes anon. No one has ever been fired for being gay or trans. You live in a filter bubble where you only see media from people who believe that "this time leftism has really gone too far!" and share articles about John Damore getting fired. All kinds of minorities still get heaps of soykaf, it has just become more subtle in how they get it. The people who speak up about it still get removed for making trouble and going against the company's party line. The world really isn't binary in the sense that only left-wing or right-wing people can be victims of political discrimination. It's also not binary in the sense that left-wing/right-wing is the only real dichotomy. Start reading some media that you fundamentally disagree with and you'll see that the world is really a muddled mix of various ideologies most of which believe they're the ones obviously correct even though The Big Man is suppressing their voice.

>>28551 Your post misses where gov is opressing left. Furthermore i wrote about getting fired for voicing ideas and i have yet to see people getting fired for voicing leftwing ideas on twitter. You're right though that im not scouting any fringe sites. I just read the usual news. Back to topic the people who actually fire trannies/gays cant do it openly. Currently the only PR positive move is show support and fire rightwing which simply denies your claims that leftwing is persecuted.

>>28549 Those people fit the current narrative, they're pushing equality now, women are taking the lead left and right. example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Haspel “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” - Chomsky I arrived at my worldview because I experienced it. I influenced too many peers with my "ideas" when I was young. They made a loony out of me (or tried, not sure where I'm at right now).

>>28536 >Marxist You don't know what the words you are saying even mean lol Also do you wanna see a community where any speech that even slightly veers from the party line gets instantly and stealthily deleted? Try some right-leaning forums. They censor more than anybody and always come up with the same flimsy excuses for it that they turn around and criticize others for using. There's never been such a thing as freedom of speech. Everybody opposes speech they strongly disagree with and they all come up with stupid, ad-hoc justifications for those exceptions. The idea that "I disagree with what you say but I defend your right to say it" is always a total lie. It's easy to say that and look virtuous when it's entirely hypothetical, but when the ѕһіt goes down it gets walked back 100% of the time. It's pleasant nonsense.

Reddit has always been trash. Why do people ever use that website? Get the hell off it

>>28557 It was good somewhere year 2-3. First year they had no real users and posted themselves to simulate activity to attract real people. Then some real people came and it was fine in terms of content. Then it became mainstream and went to soykaf as it always happens. That one lead dev suicide thanks to feds also made it worse.

>>28551 gay lainon here. I reject the idea that being gay is a left wing idea (but hating gays is a bit of a right idea only for the sake of "traditional values"), I think treating identities outside of political ideology as an indicator of politics is a slippery slope. I consider myself a centrist I guess but that's just because I hate party politics (I'm not idealistic enough to think we'll ever get out of a two party system though). I think the point you've made about the world not being binary is an important one, the left/right wing dichotomy has been so ingrained into American culture that people feel the need to align themselves with one side or another and ultimately shut themselves out to half their countrymen. And I think it's a shame too, because we need a de-radicalization on both sides to deconstruct the barriers that people on both sides face. I personally don't experience homophobia but I'm not blind to the fact that others do, just like I don't personally experience the financial struggle of being in rural America but I understand that their tendency to vote Republican is tied to the fact that the Democrats are far more concerned with the issues facing the coastal cities. Moderates don't get anything done, but at least they can see the struggles of our two kinds of "average American" (rural and city, another one of those fun little dichotomies that drive us apart) and won't alienate either. Politicians have become these overpaid figureheads, having your ideology in the offices gives you more incentive to align yourself with that ideology and distance yourself from "the other". Ideologically I'm a bit of a tax loving commie, because I have always lived in a major east coast city which will see the benefits of those tax dollars far more than poor people in middle America (which I see as one of the big faults in the American political system). I want to pay taxes which will benefit all Americans who aren't doing well and I'd be happy to pay a considerable portion of tax if that money was going there, but my tax dollars instead go towards these massive salaries and national defense budgets and barely ever produce actual good in the day to day lives of my fellow citizens. I would love to see politician salaries capped to be equal to the local pay of a high school teacher, or the national defense budget equal to the national average education budget, because I think education for the average American is far more important than national politics. The average congressman's salary is $174,000 while the average teacher's salary (nationally) is $60,500. That's disgusting, no congressman has ever done more for America, worked more hours, or effected more change than a teacher. And it's because we're so deeply in the two party system that there's barely ever a compromise. But we're so deeply entrenched in this political system that we're never going to be able to redefine its goals in a way that focuses on the average American. As citizens we need to be able to see the humanity in each other and understand that we are all being failed by the systems of power in place. I vote progressive in local elections because I know the needs of my community and believe those are the best officials to serve them, but I never know what the fuarrrk to do in national elections because whoever makes it to the general election is specifically designed to force Americans to align themselves with the demands of a party. Sorry for going off on a tangent, I think right now Americans are more divided than ever and it's a direct result of centuries under a two party system in which every year we're forced to decide which type of people we think America should focus on, while the rich on both sides don't have to face any actual consequences. t. enlightened centrist commie homo

>>28528 I was wondering when you were going to show up. I'm not surprised that your posts were filtered. I just tried to start a thread about academia being corrupt and it was shut down. I talked about some of your stuff in the OP because it's not favored in academia and the case for the present American laws is obviously incoherent. This doesn't necessarily mean that I'd support whatever changes you want to make, but you shouldn't get cancelled for advocating them. This site hasn't entirely fallen to the SJWs just yet.

>>28562 I'm unfamiliar with this poster (returning to lainchan after a long break but I was an active user in 2014-2017) could you give me a brief rundown of what they're saying that's so controversial (besides being able to fuarrrk teenagers, I don't think I'm ever gonna come around on that one but I guess that's just my SJWness kek)

>>28549 >You never see people fired for expressing leftwing ideas. what? People get fired just for saying the word "union" all the time.

>>28567 lol right? Probably thinks that "leftist" means wealthy, coastal, global free trade morons who pander to trans people or whatever like everyone else does these days. Left should mean protections for workers. But there is no left anymore.

>>28567 Cmon,you are right but you also know what this discussion was about. Nobody is talking about unions currently.

>>28568 >there is no left anymore. I wouldn't be so sure... The IWW has grown massively in the past 20 years, and while they're still pretty small it's a good indicator that unions, particularly radical unions, are coming back.

>>28569 nothing could be more leftist than the idea that workers should use their collective power to improve their position in society. If you want to talk about corporate liberalism, talk about that. Don't conflate it with Marxism.

>>28570 I sure hope so. Without radical unions, we would still be working 16-hour days with no weekends in lethal conditions and living in tenements. We're already rapidly returning to that and most people don't even notice. "Gig economy" is just the return to the company town and eternal toil for rat-wheel wages. There's just decentralization and apps involved to mask it. But once it's normalized again, back into the triangle shirtwaist factory we go. Figuratively, not totally literally; manufacturing is probably gone for good. But there's still plenty of exploitative, menial labor to trap us in forever. >>28569 Yeah, we know what it was about lol. Same thing every reactionary chan insider trade is about: shadowboxing with imaginary sjws that don't really pose any threat to you. And you're conflating it with political ideologies that have nothing to do with that, as usual. You need to log off and get a less delusional grip on what's happening in the world today.

>>28573 >i know what they talk about it but im still gonna bitch how they talk about it cuz its not how i like it Turboautism That aside unions wont work under high unemployment. Nobody gives a soykaf when tons of desperate people are ready to replace you.

>>28574 >unions won't work with high unemployment. Nobody gives a soykaf when tons of desperate people are ready to replace you. There have always been tons of desperate people ready to replace every worker. That's how conditions get so soykafty in the first place. Unemployment in the US was higher during the great depression than it is now, and unions became bigger and more powerful during that time period because communism was more popular. It used to be that some people wouldn't cross a picket line even if they were starving, and scabs were considered the scum of the earth. This was of course helped by the fact that unions usually pooled resources to provide for peoples' basic needs during a strike. Unions don't work when people are alienated from each other and fearful of authority. Luckily for the bosses, that is exactly the kind of person that consumerist society churns out.

>>28574 >That aside unions wont work under high unemployment. Nobody gives a soykaf when tons of desperate people are ready to replace you. I work part-time and Union pays me unemployment benefits. This is how I pay my rent, bills and buy food to my table. I wish I could work fulltime but but unfortunately in current situation I don't see that happen anytime soon. When COVID hit the Unions grew a lot in here. Just saying

>The Net Is Being Cleansed 'bout time. both the far left and the far right have gone nutzoid. btw, clearly dangerous speech is not protected by the first amendment. no right is 'absolute' to the detriment of everything else, despite what angsty teenagers think, and many of these 'arguments' seem to be of that type. also, has no one figured out that the only reason this is finally happening is that advertisers are pulling the plug on it? and they follow the opinions of their customers, the general public. so it all comes down to popular opinion, not dark, secretive figures pulling hidden strings. but paranoiacs gonna paranoid.

>>28583 Only one side of the argument is being cleansed though.

>>28592 Reddit derezzed t_d and chapotraphouse, the right and left most leaning subs respectivy

>>28593 Personally I don't know why they got rid of either one. T_D is a good foil to have. It's the perfect place to search for low-hanging fruit to screenshot. All those people who get their influence from "huhuh look at this person we don't agree with" are probably a little miffed right now. I smell an experiment. You know how every time there's a mass ban on some huge website, an alternative pops up for the users to take refuge, only for the site to get overrun and go full 1488 within a week (and in the process, screwing over the users who just wanted to have a little less censorship)? I bet they're trying to see what happens when they ban leftists instead.

>>28484 >make your own website DDoSed to death, doxxed by the angry mob, refused web hosting, refused payment processing really makes you think.

I care about the importance of freedom of speech, but conversely I don't feel sad about t_d or cth getting removed from reddit. Free speech is not about lack of moderation. Reddit is a privately owned website and they can moderate the content they send out into the net. For all that t_d argued against that as being a form of censorship, they weren't any better. If you tried to engage in any discussion, good faith or otherwise, that went against the party line you instantly got your post deleted and yourself removed from the sub. They never cared about free speech, they cared about finding a way to spread their propaganda. The one case where censorship and moderation begin to overlap is where an entity becomes so big that you can't escape it, that it becomes a necessary ingredient in getting your voice heard so that when they silence you (and call it moderation) you have no feasible alternatives. Reddit is not that entity, it's not anywhere near big enough. Google and Facebook risk becoming that entity but aren't there yet. The US government is that entity but is restricted by the constitution. The closest equivalent we have is the payment processing oligopoly. If Visa and Mastercard cancel you, you'd be shocked at how many other corporations are forced to play along with them and refuse you service. Good luck getting your controversial website self-hosted if you can't pay anyone. TLDR: Sites removing content is fine and not (presently) a threat to free speech. Visa and Mastercard have far more power to restrict your speech and that power needs to get broken.

>>28594 >I bet they're trying to see what happens when they ban leftists instead. There's plenty of lefty mastodon instances

>>28596 the weak will submit to the strong

>>28593 you think those are the most right and left leaning subs on reddit? My guy, have you bought into the "culture wars" false dichotomy?

>>28596 More annoying is that trash is self-sustaining since you can get add money on it. In a practical example all those eceleb channels on youtube are doing fine but history channels got defunded for violent content. >>28597 Its about reach. If the popular sites all push one viewpoint the public will adopt it. Visibility is advertisement and its commonly known that advertisement beats product quality. Whether you can talk to your 10 people in a corner of the web is simply irrelevant. You will never reach the same impact as being on the most popular sites. So anyone derezzed from them lost the competition.

How come a couple years ago everyone rallied behind decentralizing and fighting the big corporation and big media empire as part of the standard set of liberal political talking points and now those same corporations and media outlets are leading the woke revolution? What changed?

>>28602 Since the people who are behind it, aren't in control of the narrative anymore. They are panicking and because of that are doing all kinds of stupid soykaf.

>>28602 The woke generation entered the labor force and changed companies from within. Woke degrees end up in HR which gives them immense control to promote the recruitment of woke and fire opposition. Artists as in creative people are also more open to accept new ideas so they got caught up in this too like they usually do. They land in the second important segment marketing and thus affect how companies act outward. People voicing opposition are mostly stem who work in production/r&d and have no real impact on company policies. Decentralization got outlawed to a degree.New laws increased risks for running your own servers / allowing others to use you as a node because they now make you partly liable for crime if your service is used for it.

>>28495 >it should've been common knowledge long time ago that those places are hot garbage. I believe that people who use those services are low hanging fruit, if anything they might start to look at alternative ways of communicating Yeah really it's reddit. The people complaining are the ones who WANT to talk to stupid people and are upset they're being denied access. >>28504 You know years ago when the commercial internet was new I was quite an evangelist. The whole internet was a free speech zone and such places didn't collect nazis and paedos though they did obviously exist. Then there are the regular dumb people. We don't want the masses here.

>>28616 Wanting them to continue to exist has nothing to do with wanting to associate with them. Their existence is simply useful. Extremist on both sides are keeping each other busy. What do you think happens when you kill off only one side? Opposition just lost their hobby and will look for new targets. Your just making yourself more work taking away their toy.

>>28604 No, this is entirely backwards. You think the labor force changed the companies grassroots-style? Just like that? What America are you living in? Labor movements haven't changed a single thing for nearly a century. Business incorporated (pun not intended) the wokeness from the top down voluntarily because it's far cheaper than actual material change, makes for good PR, and allows them to easily smear and fire people without causing as much of a row with labor. Plus it confuses and mollifies their low-paid minority workforce. They love it. This is how they appropriate everything and turn it into their own tool. You're being incredibly silly if you think it was started by tumblr teens growing up and getting into graphic design. No, it was embraced because it aligns with their interests.

>>28619 You're overestimating ceo's. No way some 40+ old guy stays on top of what bullshit they teach in university. I met a few and from what i caught they dont even take time to watch all news. Furthermore its good PR now. It was still controversial somewhere ~ 2004 when it started. I dont believe people in such positions knew what was coming. If they really had such excellent foresight they would have started earlier shielding their autists from twitter to avoid having to fire hard to replace workers. Using woke for pr is just obvious now that it's mainstream.

>>28483 I think it's hilarious. Remember these psychos a few years back?

>>28626 People sure put more effort in their LARPs back in the day.

>>28622 What? The CEOs don't do it personally. They hire PR and HR teams who most definitely do stay on top of academic bullshit. But they do so at the CEO's direction in order to accomplish executive goals using whatever means work. They don't know what was coming, but they make many plans for future possibilities, including the one which is presently playing out. It was controversial in the early 2000s, but there were people toying with the idea that it might become mainstream. They don't fire hard to replace workers, either. You'll notice that certain workers are "uncancellable." They just use it as an easy way to let go people who were already causing them problems in most cases. The ideologies totally align. Neoliberalism is simply modern, global capitalism. All of that is certainly less far-fetched than it sneaking in through the young design team. That's asinine, there's no way it played out like that.

>>28629 If you assume HR/PR made the decision aren't you making a case for the first theory? Meaning generation of young people finished their woke degree, went into hr and then advertised it matters? The old guys would most likely dismiss it. There are numerous historical examples of young vs old generation conflicts because they got raised different. I find in general the idea of mentality changing by replacement and not by people being flexible enough to change their beliefs compelling.

>>28635 Nah, at the end of the day it's a decision made by the executives and they are beholden to the shareholders and they simply demand what's most profitable. Unless there's an organized labor movement bending that structure, then the things it does are simply whatever is in its own best interests. It's like a tropism. The idea that it osmoses in from the bottom is magical thinking I think. Capital has an incredibly powerful ability to absorb any ideology or movement that is immaterial or symbolic and shape-shift into it in order to extract value from it at the same time as it is immobilizing it. It'll eventually discard the husk. All things pass.

>>28583 John Stuart Mill isn't an angsry teenager. Your view on free speech is the same kind of memetic poison silicon valley culture loves to propagate because it gives them more power. You're right that both sides have gone its, but it's because of censorship and bubbles, not despite it.

>>28642 Shareholders have no clear idea what will generate max profit. Everyone hedges to offset bad investments because they acknowledge that. The decision making itself rests on analysts and metrics. The problem with marketing is that they are marketing and thus can sell their idea best which means there's a high chance they can sell even stupid ideas as "this will maximize profit". The second problem is customers are suckers and punish bad decisions veeery slowly. You can get amazing sales and celebrate yourself and when 5years later customers finally buy less from the accumulation of bad decisions you hand wave it as something else like the product is outdated. Who is really in control of decisions? Its a problem you have on a personal level hiring a car mechanic or a doctor as much as a shareholder/companies hiring consultants. Without being an expert yourself you cant tell when you get bad advise. And if you can tell you still will have to prove that you are correct and convince the opposition. Now ideally investors would just leave and the company would tank but that doesn't necessarily happen either. Zombie companies are on the rise. And the big guys can keep doing dumb soykaf cause their main business will keep them afloat anyway or straight up get more injected from gov. While everyone is currently busy with corona and muh racism the dear leader passed new legislation which pumped fed money into a hedge fund that passed it on to their best buddies. What maximizes profit now is playing along to get this money. Running the company well comes second. We are quiet far from a real capitalist market due to the various forms of intervention.

>>28483 Reddit's not the only website shooting itself in the foot, either. Derpibooru is dying because the administration keeps flip-flopping on whether it's going to ban anything promoting hatred. I've also heard e621 has been banning things left and right now. Neither of these websites are living up to their purpose as archives now, because of censorious people. >What do you make of this? I don't know. I'm largely unaffected. If I were more optimistic, I'd think this would lead to a revival of smaller communities with ideals harder to subvert, but we'll see. I really dislike that I'm even thinking about censorship in the context of what are largely porn archives. I don't have a single interest which isn't infested by some kind of political talk by now. It's made me think about how I'd feel if I had the opportunity to censor. What I do know is enough will probably never be enough. It's easy to be against degeneracy, but then I'm also not a Christian, which those groups would start cracking down on at some point or another were they in power. The best solution seems to be to avoid censorship, not including rules like Lainchan has, because otherwise it just won't end. There's a difference between having specific rules enforced equally and rarely changing, and vague rules enforced by discretion and changing on a whim. >>28660 >We are quiet far from a real capitalist market due to the various forms of intervention. This is the capitalist version of It wasn't real communism. and the like. Just like every communist country has so far given rise to violent dictatorships, perhaps capitalism doesn't inherently lead to an improvement in life, but people consolidating power in business, poisoning government, and making the society exist solely to benefit it.

>>28663 sunburn is not cancer, it causes cancer. I think making the distinction where we are is sensible. Not disputing that this development was inevitable.

>>28496 >put on a list what is this, the 90's? there's no dodging it, they've a file on everyone, ready to pull out the second you trigger a flag

>>28515 go away

>>28547 That's a very strange and meaningless distinction you're trying to invent. >the reason I'm on here and not on 4chan is because nazis Ok.

>>28549 reminder that an amazon study concluded that more diverse workplaces are less likely to unionize

>>28665 sunburn doesn't cause cancer, prolonged UV exposure(which also causes sunburn in the short term) causes cancer.

>>28680 they've got a file sure but it's auto-generated and probably mostly filled with crap. Plus passive surveillance is pretty easy to circumvent.

>>28685 Sunburn is inflammation due to massive uv damage overwhelming the body. Cancer becomes way more likely when the repair system cant keep up. The allegory is you cant observe uv damage just like you cant observe everything that goes on in the economy. What you observe is merely obvious symptoms on the surface, when you see sunburn the damage is already done. And its only a matter of time before it turns into a tumor. And then the heavy handed approaches come in trying to save the patient. Sounds awfully familiar to econ doesnt it? >>28684 This is interesting. Reminds me how old days they found out factory line workers with their repetitive monotone work were less involved in community and politics.

>>28684 >>28693 Definitely. Intersectionalism is a mockery of the left; it's just a perfected way to ultra-atomize the populace by making them believe that they are all terribly oppressed by one another and fundamentally unable to relate to each other's lived experiences. It's entirely a domination strategy. People are fools for buying it.

There is no problem with censorship on the internet because freedom of speech is not possible on the internet. Speech in general is not possible here. It's merely a simulation of speech and community. In reality, nobody who doesn't have centralized power outside the internet has a voice that reaches anyone except themselves. It's about as effective a form of free speech as writing in your own diary. Or screaming into your pillow, alone in the dark. Deregulating it won't fix it. Decentralization won't fix it. Cryptography won't fix it. New gadgetry won't fix it. It's fundamental. These hypercommunities are not lateral to the kind of community and communication envisioned by the founders of the concept of "free speech." This is an entirely new layer above that. And it is an opaque layer that blocks everything beneath. It's a mental DDoS. Banning some forums is good, not bad, but it's not nearly good enough. We have to ban the whole thing. Instead of burning down police departments, we should be burning down datacenters. All of them. None of us will have our fundamental freedoms until we've freed ourselves of this poison. If anything, the people who belonged to those censored communities are freer now than they were, because some of them may have moved on to non-digital realities. We've fetishized concepts such as freedom, made them into symbols with no connection to relationships or actions in our material reality. Only an aesthetic to mimic. As a result of that, tyrants can mimic freedom as well using conditions which are in fact diametrically opposed to freedom. That is the nature of Orwell's famous contradiction. We have to de-fetishize speech and community and physically destroy the digital infrastructure. Not reprogram, not rebuild: demolish. We've tried long enough, and if we try much longer then it will become too entrenched to ever remove. It's the only way we'll ever have dignified and free lives again. I realize the irony of saying all this on the internet. I guess it's just venting of frustration at this point. Several political movements have mined The Matrix for metaphors for attacking hidden problems in our reality, but I don't think the movie was quite so metaphorical. It's closer to literally true. We have become autіstic, and I mean that in the old-fashioned way as a mental state and not a mental condition. We have become automated, machine-like. We're strung up in a computer network we can't escape from, because it hypnotizes us. We've reached the upper limit of information our biological hardware can process, and now the digital hardware that feeds it is simply overwhelming us. There is no freedom of speech. There is not even freedom of thought. We've got to take action. We're no longer human in this place.

>>28515 In all seriousness, your instinct is correct. Leave the internet behind. That is the only hope. You are actually closer to hope than hopelessness.

>>28696 Well the meatspace has leaked into the cyberspace, and the people on it were wtf?? Like they never expected it to happen. Now we get the whole treatment of corporate power, having no voice anymore. It's ok though, some people will always try to get heard. My view is that large scale culture jamming and misinformation propaganda is the only way forward. Take their ways and derail them. This only if you have fun playing the activist. Otherwise getting offline is the only solution. LARPing or absence it is. It was to be expected, this is an image of what happens on the road. People are at the same time hating and loving it, it's a Brave New World with 1984 at the same time.

>>28697 >large scale culture jamming and misinformation propaganda is the only way forward And do what? You only will jam your own culture and mind. Just like we've already done with imageboard culture, to whatever extent it could be said to have existed. Master's house, meet master's tools. There is no way to finesse victory out of this place. None. It is designed to be tempting for precisely that reason. It seems to be infinite, open, full of possibilities; but it's very simple. It's an oubliette, and we're rotting in it and losing strength by the moment. It suсks one into countless futile attempts as you go more insane and lose more and more of your remaining connections to actual human beings. Burn the servers and put large-caliber holes in the bottom of the oil-cooled transformers which form the power grid. It has to go down, and it has to happen with action outside of the system. And it has to happen soon before it reaches near-perfect redundancy and security. This place is true evil. It's serious. >LARPing or absence it is Agreed entirely. We either abrogate the digital realm entirely or we live in impotent fantasy. Basically our lives become a simulation within a simulation, a nihilistic spectacle for us to consume by ourselves. Or we walk out and continue to exist as we have for hundreds of thousands of years among real beings of our own kind and which we can deeply relate to, a proven method. Remember: we feel alienated not because we are so different from an otherwise "normal" humanity which is out there beyond us, relating to each other in traditional ways; we are alienated because everyone is. Everyone is under the effect of this curse. This isn't the early BBS days. Digital enthrallment is mainstream. The idea of "normal people" is an anachronism. They only exist in the past, and perhaps (hopefully) the future. I think the choice is pretty clear. >it's Brave New World with 1984 at the same time Agreed. That's the thing. People have debated for a long time which form it'll take. But I think our techno-totalitarian future will not be choosy. It will perfectly synthesize every form of repression we've imagined, plus many we haven't.

>>28515 >tfw real life will be as much as a playground as the early internet days, since all the normal people are on the internet now It's a brave, new world

>>28700 This is fuсking true. Doubly so with this stupid virus nonsense. Go outside and finger a girl or climb a tree or something. Literally any experience in the real world is better than the best thing the internet has to offer.

>>28701 A butterfly just flew towards me, when I realized the full capacity of this. And flew away again when I started overthinking what was happening.

>>28701 >Literally any experience in the real world is better than the best thing the internet has to offer. I've always been very anxious about everything in the real world, the internet was a perfect escape, gave me all of the insights with none of the risks. Unfortunately, the experiences on the internet are all empty and you gain very little from it. I'm trying to turn my life around, I wasted many good years and I don't want to waste them any longer.

>>28702 I know what you mean. The transience is part of what makes it so profound. The internet feels like it's permanent and logical, concrete somehow even though it's immaterial. But that is because it is dead. It's a frozen dimension of vengeful ghosts. >>28703 Without the risks, there is no life or progress. I know how the fear feels. But it's because we've been raised in here. You don't yet know how to move through the world of true human jouissance and experience. You seem to be starting to understand how to begin, though.. best of luck. It's not too late to get out. But you have to get out—one should aspire to escape from hell, not manage or adjust it. There's nothing to salvage here. But I believe in you if you're having these thoughts now.

>>28704 Yeah I had this revelation about a year ago, I was quite upset with my situation, lack of friends and no real prospects. I realized I was constantly avoiding experiences and lived a dumbed down version of life, I simply could not accept it any longer, I was too passive and let the best things go right past me. But since I don't really have any plans or dreams to live by, I feel a bit lost in how to "go out". It feels like I'm only now starting to actually live my life, yet I don't really know what to do.

>>28705 From what I've learned, it's not too complicated. Meaning and goals are built, not divined or analyzed out of thin air. Most of it is physical, which is unfamiliar to us who are used to navigating the world mentally. As in physical travel, going to new spaces, being physically close. Exploring and talking with your body. Not in a sexual way, although that's not disallowed of course. We get hung up on the details of it, we want an installation manual perhaps. A first step. I just like going to the bar and forcing myself to talk to others about new things I'm not super familiar with. I rather listen to others talk about what they want, then eventually explore that, than try to find people interested in what I'm already into and willing to go on and on about. I want to get away from that and the people trapped in it. And these relationships are just meant to be transient. I don't expect anything more from them, but occasionally they do persist in some form. I've loved learning to build things with my hands, not a computer. It's harrowing at first because mistakes are permanent and there's no saving backups, but it's important to learn to embrace that strict flow of time and let go. I've done woodworking and gunsmithing, welding, built a custom bike out of an old clapped-out motor. I've made study clothes and leatherwork. It's kind of cliche, but some of those exist for a reason. And I've found love in my life where there definitely was none for over a decade. That's obviously pretty nice. It's not perfect, but it's mine and that has given more to my life than centuries on the internet ever could.

>>28707 *Sturdy, not study

>>28707 And of course the act of radically logging off as an individual is good, but it isn't enough. Because we simply can't all live in cabins in the woods. The internet eventually returns to claw back those who manage to escape through the very social bonds that we sought when we left in the first place. Eventually the realities of life in a dystopian, digitized world require you to have a net presence again. We can't act like these decisions are either informed or voluntary; for instance, there are whole countries in the where you effectively can't apply for a job without a zuckbook account. My country isn't so explicit, but the result is the same. We must get out, but then we have to get everyone out too. We can't let it fester anymore.

>>28701 >Literally any experience in the real world is better than the best thing the internet has to offer. not sure if you believe this because of too much time on the internet or a life too coddled

>>28663 >There's a difference between having specific rules enforced equally and rarely changing, and vague rules enforced by discretion and changing on a whim. postmodernism in a nutshelll

>>28714 Definitely not had a coddled life but I'm not sure how that logic follows >>28716 Postmodernism is trash but that's definitely not a summary of it

>>28684 aye. Classic strikebreaking strategy: import scabs who either have a different skin color or speak a different language from the union members. Get different trade unions to compete over jobs in the face of technological advancement. The more these kinds of things fracture the workers apart, the weaker they are, the more abuse they will take. Leftist/radical unions usually deal with this tactic better, because they emphasize that what really matters is whether or not you're the worker or the boss. >>28701 I'm pretty sure most people agree that the internet is not a good substitute for real life interaction. It's a refrain I hear constantly these days. Way back when, if there was a plague, you holed up inside with your family or friends and didn't see anybody else for as long as you could afford to. This reaction is not new, we just have a better idea now of how the plague spreads, and we have the internet so we can communicate more easily while holed up.

>>28724 The quarantines in the past were so fundamentally different that what is happening now really shouldn't even use the same term. The world was not globalized or interconnected in this way, and the shutdowns were not nation- or world-wide in nature (or even regional in most cases. Just single towns or cities usually). But in any case, this is kind of a moving the goalposts type thing. The internet communities weren't designed so we could use it to keep in touch during quarantine. It was already there and will continue to be there. And I think that people get this understandable idea in their head that you can choose not to "use it as a substitute for real life interaction," but in reality energy is finite and it's not like it enhances or adds to the same amount of real-life interaction which existed before. It replaces it. It has to. And because a relationship takes more than a single person, a lot of this is not individual choice. It reduces opportunities from the other side, not just your own. This simplistic ideal that it merely augments isn't borne out by the way people actually work. It replaces and blocks real relationships nearly entirely, and is getting more total as it develops. And this massive quarantine experiment will vastly accelerate that. I don't think people have friendships of the same quality or nature as those which existed before. And that will continue to morph. Many of the few tattered relationships people still hang on to will be gone by the time quarantine is done. Everything isolates more and more.

>>28725 the scales were smaller but people reacted pretty much the same way, even without government enforcement. They also wouldn't have called it "quarantine". >And I think that people get this understandable idea in their head that you can choose not to "use it as a substitute for real life interaction," but in reality energy is finite and it's not like it enhances or adds to the same amount of real-life interaction which existed before. It replaces it. It has to. I disagree. But maybe that's because I never was very social, even when I was a kid and didn't have any internet or a computer. I would prefer to read books instead. My total amount of social interaction, both online and offline, increased significantly when I moved and suddenly all my old friends lived 200 miles away. In principle it's true, if you have x hours a day for social interaction and you use the internet for y hours then you have x-y hours left for in-person interaction. But some people would use less than x-y hours for in-person interaction even without the internet, so using the internet for social purpose actually increases their total amount of social time. >I don't think people have friendships of the same quality or nature as those which existed before. And that will continue to morph. Many of the few tattered relationships people still hang on to will be gone by the time quarantine is done. Everything isolates more and more. I saw an old friend of mine recently who I hadn't talked to in almost a year except through occasional text messages. We're planning on getting an apartment together once I can find a decent job. He also wants to try DMT and I agreed to trip-sit him. basically, your analysis does not accurately predict my lived experience. Perhaps it does yours.

>>28496 >lainchan is already low enough profile, we will not be targeted. Same thing could be said for wizardchan, yet there were several publications vilifying them after the five guys chick said they targeted her with harassment despite not providing any evidence.

>>28554 People lose their jobs for sharing left wing policies in the work place. Just the other week there was yet another story about some amazon warehouse workers getting fired for bringing up unionisation. People opposed to the status quo can lose their job whatever side of the arbitrary political spectrum they are on. >Back to topic the people who actually fire trannies/gays cant do it openly At will employment allows them to be fired just as long as they claim that it has nothing to do with their sexuality.

>>29900 Thats not a political opinion. Thats a direct financial threat to the company. Same reason rightwing guys get cancelled for twitter after they are linked to the company by the nutcase hunt squads with no life - Nobody cares even if they kill people for fun in spare time. Its just about not getting caught and causing the company bad pr. Also youre confusing cheating the system to fire people backhanded with the system supporting the firing.

>>29901 The system does support the firing, at-will employment allowing people to lose their jobs for any reason is by design. If the system actually cared about protecting people from losing their jobs due to immutable characteristics it wouldn't repeatedly put in place mechanisms that allow people to easily bypass anti-discrimination laws. The people writing these laws are not stupid and can see the obvious pitfalls when they enact them.

>>29901 the statement "workers deserve fair treatment and a say in how their company is run" is political. It is almost directly Marxist.

>>30029 The point is such labeling is irrelevant for the decision making. They dont fire because marx said it first. They fire cause it hurts them in the wallet. Its best exemplified by how companies assume political marketing merely along established lines and even contradict themselves marketing in different countries with opposing dominant views at the same time. >>30028 Its a backdoor to escape normal regulations for those who need it. It wasn't made for this specific case however. This topic didnt even exist when it was made. Its a unspecific solution to skirt the law as is custom.

>>30030 >They fire cause it hurts them in the wallet Idk why you don't see this as a political issue. Their political stance is "I should be allowed to prevent my workers from unionizing because it hurts our bottom line" and the expression of this position is their firing of workers who try to unionize. I feel like you're conflating "political" positions and "ideologically motivated" positions. Practical concerns (like how corporations are allowed to extract profit) are often highly political. Just look at zoning laws and such to see how this plays out.

>>30033 You're right. I believe modern usage of political equates to choosing a side to support ideologically. People who disregard camps and simply do whats best tend to avoid the label of a political activist. This discussion doesnt matter to the original topic either way since the original question was whether corps engage in taking sides, for that point i reason they dont because limiting oneself to one side costs profit.

>>30035 >I believe modern usage of political equates to choosing a side to support ideologically. One of the greatest triumphs of neoliberalism is getting people to believe that "politics", "business", and "economics" are distinct. A political scientist of any previous era would have laughed at this. >People who disregard camps and simply do whats best tend to avoid the label of a political activist. The vast majority of political action involves no activism whatsoever.

>>30035 You're defining "sides" to mean (seemingly) left or right social politics. Not having a firm stance in this one political area does not make someone/something apolitical. Corporations have strong political stances on economic issues, which should be obvious by now given previous discussion.

>>30036 Its pretty obvious that its not true due to lobbying but it does seem that when present time people talk about political they limit it in scope to social talking points. The modern discussions are far removed from economics/business topics that actually matter. Common people don't even take note of legislative changes in this sector.

I don't really know what else you could expect. Pure economics say these companies need to expand their customer base to compete. It isn't really even some kind of ideological battle between sjws and alt right or whatever. There's just a lot of incentive to both ban pro worker people on the left and highly xenophobic people on the right because they hurt the bottom line. Silicon Valley has a really simple stance here, they don't want unions and they want to be able to sell their products to as many types of human as possible without alienating them.

>>30042 > they want to be able to sell their products to as many types of human as possible without alienating them. the only humans left are those who haven't killed themselves yet

What we really need to hammer is that IT'S ALL ONE COMPANY. These corporations are in the same place and the CEOs have dinner together. They make their co-ordinate their actions and effectively act as one unit. That unit also includes mainstream media and intelligence agencies. It's 100% a free speech issue

>>30051 You better have some solid evidence for that tin foil hat tale. >>30042 Somewhat this is all true, but ultimately they can and will put ideology before their bottom line. This isn't because of any business decision, but because they are ideologically driven.

>>30052 Their ideology supports their bottom line. When you look a bit closer most of their stances have an end results of: more people to buy the product, more available workers so they can push wages down and stronger control of the workers. They're not pushing this purely for ideologies sake, they are pushing it because it profits them. Amazon and Google benefit from an environment where they can fire people at the slightest hint of a questionable history.

>>30053 You seek rationality and thus try to make sense of behaviour with the premise of it requiring a sensible reason to exist. Whats really happening though is a company is a sum of people. People with their own ideologies and personalities that can influence company direction. Whats good for the company isnt always good for the person. This is why middle management will for example deny opportunities because they will shoulder all the risk if it goes wrong but wont get any share of the profit if it goes right. In the scope of this discussion people will push out coworkers they dont like by whatever means are accessible to them. This serves by no means the company.

>>30052 There's no tinfoil here. Everything is out in the open.

>>30054 This raises some interesting points. I think a lot of the perceived "apolitical" nature of corporations comes from the fact that the constituent humans who actually run the thing have varying motivations and those motivations aren't usually ideological in nature. This would be one way to draw a distinction between corporations and political parties or even unions (to some extent.. political parties are of course used as amoral tools all the time but that's not really my point). However, I do think it makes sense to sort of personify the corporation and ask whether it has, as an aggregate body, any "true" political positions (as in, political positions adopted for purposes other than pandering to potential customers). I think they do, and its like I said in an earlier reply: corporations have highly opinionated stances on a variety of political issues that mostly have to do with economics. If it were a person you could say that trade policies and tax rates are its "pet issues". Wanting low taxes and limited regulation are political positions that could even be described as ideological. I'm not sure its possible to conceptualize ideology in such a way that it excludes these sorts of things.

>>30057 Companies dont lobby uniform for lower taxes. If you can escape a tax you can lobby for it to cripple competition who cant run away from it. Building hurdles is a common position dominant players take to drown the small upstarts. Theres also seldom a clear consensus on whats most profitable, best exemplified by most people losing money in stocks. So what happens is a contest of ideas where the best salesman wins and gets his policy established as the promised path to success. There's also a very strong contrast in short-term vs longterm planning. Acquired companies are commonly squeezed dry in a few years. The real vlaue is IP & knowhow which is absorbed into the main company and the rest gets recycled. The last point i like to make is a a very few guys have enough money to completely change the game because their wallet is big enough to redefine what is most profitable -namely listening to them to get their money.

>>30081 that graph needs a log scale

>>30082 Less would understand. I believe the saying was "Politics aims to explain things on a 8th grade level to reach its audience."

>>30084 if the point of a graph is to make a political point then you might as well just make up the numbers.

>>30085 The argument with politics is just that if the experts in convincing people consider "keep it simple to reach a wider audience" important there's gotta be something to it. And thus people outside politics adopt that approach learning from them.

I really didn't want to believe you about The Internet Archive. But unfortunately you're right. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/03/868861704/publishers-sue-internet-archive-for-mass-copyright-infringement I guess the only true archival is the one you have yourself. Do you think the data can be saved in a backup somewhere?

>>28496 >Everyone who visits this site is definitely put on a list. I'm not sold on this idea but would like to hear your reasoning. I don't think we're all anime antagonists to be honest.

>>30123 1) there have definitely been some bona fide pedos visiting this site, and the FBI keeps their thumb firmly on the pulse of pedo-ism for obvious reasons. 2) it is easy for them to do. All they need is to de-anonymize users and have some poor shmuck identify "dangerous" people, they probably don't work too hard to get 100% but they could easily get 90% I reckon. 3) lainchan is sort of "underground", really I would say that it sits at the gateway to the internet underground. Such places are always under some sort of monitoring just in case someone posts something "dangerous" there (imagine if someone posted a bomb threat to lainchan... the agent who caught it would get a medal)

>>30127 >1) ...the FBI keeps their thumb firmly on the pulse of pedo-ism for obvious reasons. You know, people post CP on Facebook too. Obviously it gets recognized (either by it's hash or by manual reporting) immediately and deleted, but the same goes for here. They don't just throw everybody else on the website on a list just for good measure. They've got bigger fish to fry. >2) ...All they need is to de-anonymize users and have some poor shmuck identify "dangerous" people People post all sorts of soykaf on imageboard, 90% of them are edgy teenagers. The FBI isn't doing MiB style dumb antics to tag all the controversial posters on a given ib. >3) lainchan is sort of "underground" Sorry to break it to you, but... >...imagine if someone posted a bomb threat to lainchan Remember the guy in pic related? Literally posted a shooting threat to the world's biggest and most well known imageboard and nobody even noticed until afterwards. The authorities don't pay agents to sit around on obscure ibs looking for threatening statements. All that being said, the NSA has absolutely obscene data accumulation and storage power, and I wouldn't be surprised if everyone who's ever interacted with the internet in any way other than your typical MacBook Pro wielding hipster at Starbucks would (e.g. visits anywhere other than facebook, netflix, amazon, etc...) is in some sort of database, even if that data never really gets looked at.

>>30141 >They've got bigger fish to fry. Not the same poster, though I would like to remind you imageboards like kohlchan appear on local news periodically and there were legit feds infiltrating 8chan - https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/ There is no point to bomb people with your pessimism of structures like NSA being "too high" above people.

>>30144 I'd never seen that story before, that's really interesting. I guess I have to retract some of my statements. Thanks for changing my mind.

Man, just got reminded the only decent sub-reddit got trashed. RIP r/consumeproduct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6U2Un5kEdI

Now with r/TheDonald gone, several dozen podcasters have to find a job.

>>30127 What reason is there to believe the FBI isn't posting the CP to start with? On otherwise perfectly legal websites, there's illegal information which can be uploaded, and used as a blunt weapon. That's valuable. Why would pedophiles advertise CP websites that just so happen to stay up for long periods of time? What value is there in driving the attention of strangers to those places? It's a way to see if a website has an active staff or not, though. The government agents can lie to themselves and say they're the good guys, while hosting honeypots, and don't see anything wrong with that. >>30141 Those automatic filters are nice, because only select companies get to generate them, their inner-workings are hidden, and people don't get to verify them, since the information is illegal. Others get to use the finished product, however, and I wonder what else they block.

>>28491 They have been frequently known for encouraging terrorist and illegal activities. Hate speech is not just racist speech.

>>30207 >Those automatic filters are nice, because only select companies get to generate them, their inner-workings are hidden, I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Are you talking about hash recognition of images? Because that's not secret technology.

>>30359 What he went on about is the labeling process itself. Hash recognition is merely identification of copies. That aside it is secret tech too. Companies dont tell you which algorithm they use and how they might have modified it. The justification is simple - if you know the algorithm you can easily bypass it. The other side he went on about is you can block content and claim its an accident if people figure it out, without knowing the inner process you cant refute it.

>>30052 Ever heard of the term "Trans-National Corporation"? I wince whenever I see someone say "tin foil hat", great way to cut down discussion.

Last few years have really illuminated to me that I actually just hate politics in every form. It has a stench when it comes to media, it makes everything suck and stains it all. I feel putrid when I see someone referring to another human person as leftie or a right-winger. It's this behavior of assigning someone else a specific role or team that I hate. Now your boards, media, games, shows, websites must align to one side. Just so happens that the 'left' is the side with all the power this round of this soykaf-fuarrrk world. Now everything is getting wiped without any effort of fighting back. Seems it is all same soykaf, different smell when it comes to a wrong-think collective censoring anyone else who isn't on their side, even those who don't wanna participate. What a gay fuarrrking rant, but I really am just sick of seeing relatively small and beloved boards, franchises and games (even peoples livelihoods for fuarrrk sake) get cyberhumped/destroyed over the biggest bullshit artist stunt since my Dad gave me wasabi pretending it was green icing.

>>30368 >Just so happens that the 'left' is the side with all the power this round of this soykaf-fuarrrk world. lmao way to show your own political cards. Pro tip: the "left"/"right" culture war is completely made up. There are those in power and those not in power, and those in power are only interested in preserving their power. The two flavors of propaganda are there to keep us from bothering them about it.

>>30368 You're falling for the "progressive cultural politics is the left" meme, economically (i.e. the one that matters) the traditional left is dead. The 'left' that has won the culture war is economically fine with the excesses of capitalism and its just two flavours of the same economics fighting over irrelevant culture war soykaf.

>>30407 That sums it up about right, the ones at top cause problems and steer the people into groups to fight their battles for them. Left vs right fight all the time over petty issues and outdated idiology, looking at the other side while ignoring whats on top of them. Any chance to play people against one another they will use. The worst part is that people only think inside of the bubble they live in, they defer to some idiology and try to fit the problems to fit in there rather than thinking outside of it all.

I might as well use this thread to catalog examples I noticed of late Unable to use tor browser for youtube.com. URL often fails to load (get the "we think you're using a bot" excuse error message), now other google services such as translate are also being blocked. Bitchute has deleted historical content containing Hitler. That is "historical content", not "personal opinions about". Many sites, even chans, are restricting posting ability which is odd given how slow many are.

>>30368 Sometimes I watch people discussing this soykaf in chatrooms and it's always >ARRGHH COMMIES >UR A NATZEE *derezzed* People just live on autopilot now. They don't even think anymore, it's just person says thing I dislike = spook word, delete person. And if your side pushes a thing they just accept it no matter how stupid and damaging it is because my side is always right. I hate human beings so much, I only wish this planet and the other living beings on it didn't have to suffer because of us.

>>30141 I am such a fuarrrking sad sack of meat I almost hope that somewhere across the ocean there's a glowie actually reading all my depressed nihilistic rants.

>>30123 yea, people had qualms about whole "the government is watching all of us" until it turned out NSA did

>>30127 I can't see Lainchan being as bad as sites like 8chan or soykaf like Anon Imageboard that has caught some soykaf recently to be considered underground or even really at the gateway of it. I agree there maybe one or two lains here that might be a little pedo-ish. But I can't image everyone here being put on a list.

>>30447 Sometimes I wonder how efficient this stuff really is when people can still shoot up places every other day in the US or organize terrorist attacks in Europe despite being "known to the authorities". Every time they say they're "known to the authorities" yet somehow they managed to do the thing before they could be stopped. Can you really imagine a bunch of glowies monitoring all the soykafty chans popping up like mushrooms on clearnet and daknet every day? Sifting through tons of soykafty anime pictures and soykafposts every day. Maybe they end up posting themselves and they get their own glowie monitoring them. Maybe Lainchan is 90% CIA agents who got tired of lurking.

>>30454 I think you miss an important aspect - people dont like risking their live for others. Its much more comfortable to fuarrrk around with harmless people than start trouble with gangs. Monitoring twitter for mean comments is comfy and save.

>>30454 I would imagine they are monitoring places like 4chan where they actually did soykaf like shootings that got linked back to that website. Unless I am wrong I don't think anyone here has done anything to get this site on the map. I can't imagine this site being heavily monitored if at all.

>>30447 >>30454 obviously they don't have a person actually read all the posts, that would be a huge waste of time. They have a program that sifts through posts and flags ones that warrant further investigation (think XKEYSCORE but it's probably evolved by now)

>>30507 Is that for the entire internet or for certain sites?

>>30615 There's obviously both. Crawlers as well as site-specific bots. Its not even always malicious. In example there's a project to crawl tor with semantic search engines to find human trafficking victims which tackles the hard task to let the crawler read all forms of content be it image or text correctly. Now you can turn this of course around and weaponize the same tech to find targets to attack. MiT had also news of developing a reply bot that wouldn't just find targets but also automatically reply with a realistic post to correct it. Cant have people with wrong opinions.

>>30619 >MiT had also news of developing a reply bot that wouldn't just find targets but also automatically reply with a realistic post to correct it. Cant have people with wrong opinions. That's...concerning. But I'm sure there must be a way to figure out it is an auto-reply.

>>30649 The entire point of their work is make sure that doesnt happen. I think its possible because we have already chatbots that convince people they are real people.

>>30661 Guess I will add that to the list of things I should worry about.

>>28519 I agree that this place is obviously an echo chamber but how can any "real activism" be done on here. I reckon a few people here do actually do something and come here to chat with others.

Seems like everything is being designed now, not left up to chance. The extremes that were made possible with liberalism are disappearing. Every place is becoming more authoritarian. Too bad normality is considered to be whatever is beneficial to the specific nation.

>>30661 Text generation is getting very shockingly good. Within a few years there is basically a 100% chance the internet will be completely overrun with automated politics spam.

>>30661 >I think its possible because we have already chatbots that convince people they are real people. That's pretty easy when people are indistinguishable from soykafty chatbots

the internet is on the path for either a dystopian nightmarish 1984-like future, or a slow, painful death. within 10 years it will either be completely integrated into every aspect of society, or it will be completely dead.

They killed user-internet already a good decade ago when they passed the laws making server owners responsible for everything that happens on their server and let cops raid private people homes for running a server. Over where the times were private people could run it as a hobby since nobody wanted to risk getting raided and all his electronics robbed by the cops.

>>31345 >within 10 years it will either be completely integrated into every aspect of society, or it will be completely dead. Actually both. It will be a framework of canned services deeply integrated with people's lives, and at the same time no user mobility or choice.

>>28597 >Reddit is a privately owned website Reddit is funded by the Chinese government. Taking down T_D is election manipulation by a foreign power.

>>28549 >You never see people fired for expressing leftwing ideas. Nonsense. People who believe this have never seen real leftwing ideas. I see it often, especially for the leftwing idea of "Let's form a union." If I started talking about at work about how bankers need to be lynched on sight, how all businesses need to be turned into co-ops, and how ISPs need to be nationalized because they've become vital infrastructure (all of which I genuinely believe, by the way) I'd soon see my bosses quickly find a creative way to fire me for those leftwing ideas. Don't confuse the real left with the mild gentle-gradual-reform social democrats that spend their weekends holding bake sales for refugee support funds or painting rainbow crosswalks.

There were two men that were allegedly having "sexual intercourse" in the waiting hall of my hospital (as the guy who barged in really pissed off reported to the staff) last time I went there. The hall was otherwise empty so nobody did anything, my guess is because they knew they would have probably sued the hospital and claimed they were kicked out of a medical facility on the grounds of homophobia. In the UK they already passed instructions to law enforcement to do nothing if gay or trans people have sex in public because it would be discriminatory. We're gonna have to see trannies sucking each other's dick at the park and you'll have to look at them and smile otherwise it's facecrime

>>32103 >In the UK they already passed instructions to law enforcement to do nothing if gay or trans people have sex in public because it would be discriminatory can you provide a link to this law? Not a story claiming it exists, a link to the actual text. We had a scare like this where people told us that misgendering someone was a "hate crime" in Canada but when you read the actual text of the law, this as not the case and it would not hold up in court.

>>32103 Good, hopefully it helps with the crisis of young men not having sex.

>>28599 >>28484 Communism has the highest kill rates of all revolutions and second world countries are ever more common. However, they love censorship, so it's neither here nor there.

>>33843 >Communism has the highest kill rates of all revolutions That's because by the time a genuine mass revolution happens, the ordinary people are seriously pissed off and out for blood, and desperate to make damn sure that the bloodsucking ruling class doesn't get an opportunity to fight to regain power. It's not like the typical CIA-backed fake-revolution, when a handful of puppets at the top get bumped off as a warning to the rest to start toeing the fascist line but nothing really changes. I use body count of people wearing expensive clothes as a measure of how genuine a revolution really is. If a suit costs more than the wearer's nation's average yearly wage, and if said suit ends up ridden with holes and soaked in blood, then that's bonus points on the "Is it a real revolution?" scoreboard. >and second world countries are ever more common. That's because "second world" used to be the actual technical term used in geopolitics for countries aligned with the Soviet Union. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World). Saying that a second-world country is the result of a communist revolution during the cold war is a tautology.

>>33843 >Communism has the highest kill rates of all revolutions do you mean that the civil wars are more deadly or that the revolution itself is more deadly? The civil wars are exceptionally vicious because anti-revolutionaries tend to get quite a lot of outside help.

>>32103 Probably best not to assume that the reason hospital staff were too lazy to do something is because they're terrified they'd get sued for reporting someone to the police for an actual crime. Even assuming that they were actually going to get sued for that (which they wouldn't, it wouldn't even reach court as the people sueing would be arrested for public indecency) large businesses like Hospitals have insurance to avoid having to pay out of pocket. They probably didn't react because the staff just didn't care enough to risk an altercation in an empty room. That UK instruction doesn't exist either by the way, you really need to stop taking everything right wing demogogues tell you at face value.

I've noticed a trend with these conspiracies that the internet is being controlled in order to shift it into a specific thought process(mainly around politics). But the truth is, people are fuarrrking lazy. Once upon a time people created a community of their views to talk about them. Now there are these major sites that everyone interacts on and you have people whinge about not being able to be racist or whatever. The simple solution is right there. Build a fuarrrking community. It's not the hardest thing in the world and a domain can go pretty cheap. But people complain about it's not fair they can't interact in these large spaces full of every walk of life. That isn't what the internet is for. It's not here to hold your hand and tell you your opinion is important and you're a cool guy. And that's why small communities are dying. Because people are too fuarrrking lazy to build something for themselves.

>>33906 ohhh the CIA et al. *love* to channel online conspiracies towards anti-semetic bullshit. And other bullshit. Much like how they like to channel online leftism into bullshit culture wars. As long as nobody unites to kill them, they're happy

>>28547 this. I find it so weird that so many people see corporate internet as "public spaces". Says a lot about the times we are living in.

>>33918 "Public space" not in the sense of "owned by the public", but "occupied by the public".

>>33934 they are as "public" as a shopping mall

>>33906 The problem is, every alternative community that doesn't have strict rules gets flooded with undesirables from all over the net. Say there's people who just want to discuss/criticize X, but got derezzed from all major sites after X pulled strings with those sites' administrations. So they flock to an alternative platform somewhere. Then word spreads about it, and since the new platform is far less strict, it's only natural that it gets swarmed with all manner of edgy kids, legitimate racists, etc. This is really convenient, not only for X as they can associate all their critics with these scumbags, but also for the major sites as it gives them ammo against alternative services. So convenient, in fact, that it wouldn't be a shock if this has ever happened on purpose. The only solution I see is for sites to present a rule that goes something like "feel free to discuss whatever, but if it comes off as obvious fed-tier bullshit then we're taking action." Something that acknowledges the possibility of outsiders encouraging undesirables to flood the site in order to sabotage it, cultivate a boogeyman, or discredit an innocuous group on the site. But I fear that even that may be as vague as the generic "no isms/phobias" rule that major sites have, and that it can be used by mods to ban whatever they personally dislike.