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How do you get through the day lainons? It just feels like such a weight on me knowing that this world could be so much better, we could secure the bread and I could be an actual equal with my fellow humans, spend my day helping keep everyones needs met, and have plenty of time to work on my projects. Everyday I wake up and Im reminded that if I dont find a job soon Im going to be homeless and left to rot, if I do find a job Im going to be tired and have no time to do my own things, and eventually come to hate my hobby. It just feels like theres a fog over this world so that the elites can get another zero on their bank account. Media is soykaf and the people who actually want to make something genuine don't have the money to. How do I keep my chin up in these times? it feels like the end-times and if this virus doesnt kill me then the authoritarian police state that comes out of it will

>equal with another human being when they're low life animals that can barely think lmao, nice one

>>24380 Everyone is their own consciousness with as much potential as your own, theres nothing stopping them from being educated and reaching your own perceived intelligence if we could break the shackles holding them down. We all started there sometime

>>24381 ...unless the shackles you're talking about are their own brains

>>24382 The fundamental differences between individual human brains (excluding the congenitally retarded and traumatic brain injuries, of course) are vastly exaggerated. If you look at an IQ scatter plot (ignoring the vast flaws with IQ for the moment) and look at the labeling of the axes, then you'd notice that most people have the same basic potential, or at least within such a small margin that hard work and education could easily make up for natural disadvantages.

>>24379 >How do I keep my chin up in these times? Governments all over the world are considering implementing UBI in response to the present crisis and some will likely go through with it, which may pave the way for it to be adopted worldwide and extended indefinitely. That could go a long way towards resolving the problem of wage slavery.

lainon, don't lose hope. Police states are inherently unstable, and with extremely high unemployment and a government that obviously doesn't care about its citizens, it's a powder keg waiting to explode. We live in interesting times, comrade, and it is during interesting times that it is possible to live most authentically, because you have nothing to lose by doing so.

Why is it often people with an unwarranted view of their own superiority that fall into the delusion that communism is practical in our world? >I'm so much smarter than everyone >Also I don't work or have any marketable skills or redeeming value as a human being and wage slavery is evil and I should just be paid, by someone, to hump my anime body pillow all day >>24384 Do you honestly believe you're so precious society should pay you to just sit around and soykafpost all day? Who do you expect to fund your spoiled lifestyle?

>>24387 I dont have an unwarranted view of my own superiority, Im no more special than any other person out there. I just want people to be equal, and I want us to stop wasting so much human time, so much of the resources on our planet, on things that we dont need, when its not even helping to meet peoples basic needs. Please note that "communism" here does not mean "state communism"

>>24387 >Do you honestly believe you're so precious society should pay you to just sit around and soykafpost all day? Who do you expect to fund your spoiled lifestyle? gee, its almost as if having profit be the single driving motive for everything in the world leads to the wealthy treating the poor like soykaf, and cattle to extract wealth from. We fund everyones lifestyle by identifying what needs to be done to /actually/ meet everyones basic needs, and splitting up that work with everyone. We need not create more work than that, we can create literal machines to do work for us and yet everyone is still working 8 hour days for most of their lives, and people are complaining that there isnt enough work for people to do rather than being grateful that we as a species can work less and less?

>>24387 >Do you honestly believe you're so precious society should pay you to just sit around and soykafpost all day? Frankly yes. I wouldn't, but I deserve the option, as does everyone. The idea that a person owes society their labor in exchange for just being allowed to exist is inherently coercive and incompatible with human freedom. Everyone deserves life, and owes nothing in return. People will contribute of their own free will, most people are unsatisfied with a subsistence level lifestyle anyway. We have automation and economic output vastly beyond survival level, we don't need to set things up so that people are indirectly threatened with death if they don't work. The only reason to do so is a fuarrrked up vindictive sense of morality that demands punishment for people who don't fall in line, and validation for economic winners at the expense of all else.

>>24390 Couldn't have said it better myself. All the current system does is reward the "winners" who have managed to luck out and own property / lots of money The only way to make money is to already have money, the average american doesnt earn enough in a year (not even counting paying for food / rent / things) to start a business. Lets not forget that we can't just leave, because all property is owned by someone, and its illegal for me to just build my own shelter somewhere. "Obey or Starve" is all there is, and we have no option to go our own way

>>24387 Yeah Im so tired of all these lazy fuarkers who refuse to work and just want others to pay their way through life. Rent is immoral and so are landlords

>>24387 bruh with our current level of technology it's fully possible for everyone to work like, 10 hours a week, literally the only thing that's keeping everyone back is that we identify random people we don't know as our enemies.

>>24390 >>24391 >we don't need to set things up so that people are indirectly threatened with death if they don't work. The only reason to do so is a fuarrrked up vindictive sense of morality that demands punishment for people who don't fall in line >"Obey or Starve" is all there is, and we have no option to go our own way oh my god i never looked at it this way. capitalism is yet another experiment failing so hard it's becoming fascism isn't it?

>>24394 Its not even an experiment. The one thing thats common between all those in power is that they're wealthy, and therefore the most important thing when deciding how our world is run isn't anything but how effectively they can keep and grow that wealth

US will inevitably transform itself to a socialist country like Norway and Sweden. That's bad news for people like Trump, but also for muh freedumbs. Say goodbye to privacy and free speech. The Big Tech will be heavily regulated and could get nationalized in some way. Just fuarrrking survive and take this crisis as an opportunity.

>>24388 That's an unrealistic goal. People were never meant to be equal, and they never will be.

>>24387 My reasoning is a lot simpler: if I have to live to work a soykafty job I hate for a company I hate, in a world I hate full of people I hate, I'd rather die. My time is worth more than any paycheck, when I won't be able to get away with NEETdom I'll choose the rope. It makes no sense to live an additional number of decades if they're spent miserably flipping burgers, my life is soykafty enough without the additional dreariness of a job. If society wants to point the finger and say I was lazy or whatever, I don't give a fuarrrk. I did my best to become productive, it didn't turn out as expected. I'm done despairing over this stupid soykaf because society tells me I should. I'm 100% happy with suicide at the end of this.

>>24396 >Socialist country >Norway and Sweden

>>24384 This is liberal nonsense #yanggang. UBI is nothing more than some extra money to keep the economy going, when people get free money what do they do? They will spend it, this money will get printed for 'free' by the government then what? It goes straight back into the pockets of business owners and landlords (ESPECIALLY landlords). They are very much aware of this. Yes, maybe the average person can buy an extra Starbucks this week but until private property is abolish UBI is nothing more than a petty stipend from the slavemaster to keep us satiated, that will end up directly in their pockets anyway.

>>24396 >inevitably >>>>"any time now" Didn't Karl Marx say that Industrial Revolution would make the wagies rise up? Lmao, look how it turned out >>24403 Bernie style "socialists" that don't know what they're talking about. If they read something other than opinion pieces from the leftist mainstream media then they would not only know that those countries are far away from socialist but that their fever dream is not applicable in real world

>>24390 >but I deserve the option, as does everyone >Everyone deserves life, and owes nothing in return You deserve plated boot kicking your face repeatedly until the end of time, scum

>>24391 >The only way to make money is to already have money 66% of top 100 richest people on this planet are self made. They earned their wealth in their own lifetimes. Look it up.

>>24403 American news and propaganda have spent decades calling what Norway and Sweden do socialism so that's what Americans think it is. Still though, would like some of whatever it is that Norway's doing

>>24407 they count people like musk&bezos who got massive moneybags handed to drown competition and gain monopoly. Their asses are owned and nobody is truly self-made. Anyone with more capital can simply start undercutting you and starving you to dead. Thats what both of them did and what generally happens.

>>24404 I always see socialists bring up these talking points, but they don't make a lot of sense to me without assuming the worst that the subtext and real objection is accelerationist opportunity cost, the fear that peoples lives will improve enough to dissuade a communist revolution, and for the sake of adhering to dogma no other solution to the same problems can ever be accepted, and for that reason no rational analysis may be attempted, and in its place go cynical attempts at blind persuasion. For one, few UBI plans are funded by money printing, virtually all involve downwards wealth redistribution, so the 'free money and inflation' angle is a strawman argument, and an uncharacteristic one borrowed from the right. The 'but capitalists will benefit' and efforts at otherization are also pretty unreasonable. Mocking support for group association and trying to associate an idea with an opposing ideology is propaganda, not a real consideration of something (it also happens to be wrong, economic liberals tend to hate basic income, though this shouldn't be relevant). The question should not be what group membership UBI support signals, or whether it's tolerable to your enemies, it should be whether it is likely to succeed in ending wage slavery and improving peoples lives. Otherwise as an argument it's just a blunt weapon, not an attempt at improved understanding for anyone. To be fair though maybe I should be blaming Twitter rather than socialism or socialists. >>24406 I hope that one day you will learn to be free.

>>24405 I wish people realized that it was never about socialism, capitalism or whatever the fuarrrk It's human beings that are rotten to the core, it doesn't matter what political system you choose, no matter how perfect it is on paper it will only resolve in one outcome: an elite of powerful oppressing the weak. Unless you strip human beings of their humanity, of their will, their identity, their preferences, and everything else this will always be the outcome. And if you do, the people you will control won't be human anymore, they will be brainless insects, all the same, not a difference, not a unique idea. It's a dystopia whichever way you go, there is no salvation, this world is Hell and human beings are the demons.

>>24411 I mean, you ever seen pandas? No natural predators and they just don't want to procreate. We as humanity have to artificially inseminate female pandas cuz they're too lazy to fucck. I think the culling of the weak needs to happen in our society, and it isn't about IQ or muscle mass or soykaf like that, but the true will of people that want to gain it and use it. You have power and will. You might not want to excercise it due your moral beliefs or you might not want to acknowledge it because it ties in your beliefs easier but you have some autonomy and power over others around you. You can use that power for good or bad, or to make yourself rich and powerful, but you don't want to. Which is okay, but don't tell me how to live, kay? I mean I understand that tactic, you don't want others to do it because then you will be in small minority of the victims instead of victimizer. Easier to feel safe in laziness of big herd of victims than a lone wolf of victimizer. >>24410 >I hope that one day you will learn to be free. Bish, I don't take orders from no one. I am the beast that I worship. Why the fuarrrk do you think I fart in your general direction? Because I am weak willed pussy bootlicker? Oh come on, please. Make your fantasies self-consistent.

>>24412 >we literally invented pandas No retard. We're too much of a bother to them to allow them to get in the mood. Only most bothersome creatures area round them so they see no reason to even procreate in such a world.

>>24413 or maybe they don't want to fuarrrk because they're lazy weak willed idiots that get everything served to them on a silver platter like something people ITT want to happen to humans?

>>24413 only *the most *are around Someone was bothering me while I was typing that. >>24414 They evolved and that took a loooong time to do. They suddenly can't survive because we are as damaging as any extinction level event that came before us. Volcanic eruptions have killed less ecosystems than we have. They were delicate as nature was delicate, we are delicate too but our technological strategies allowed us to seem to be of the strongest animals as we destroyed this planet. You yourself can't fuarrrk just anyone. She has to be 'the perfect girl'. If anything we're worse than those things. You just don't know what people are.

>>24380 If they had equal education via a consequence of equality in general then you'd not be so much smarter.

>>24412 God this board is full of 14 year olds

>>24417 Not him but you could at least point out about how willpower and choice are fake, and being a victim or weak is relative and therefore are all about a mindset powered by egotism of which may be purely circumstantial in it's creation. If born a slave you have low self esteem and are raised to be weak. To avoid low self esteem rich empowered people make defense mechanisms that lie to them about being truly superior. ^ is a response. You soykaf is schoolyard an insult itself. He's not being childish he's being egotistical and being egotistical is a very adult thing to do, as adults to day are ever more privileged than they used to be in the past. Everyone wants to think they're a lord that's in a first world country just because of their standard of living being so high. Of course in reality if he were important he'd have something better to do than to sit on an anonymous imageboard with a fake identity, or rather no identity, but yeah. Egotism is not about being childish. That's all I'm saying. It's about privilege, and he should check it.

>>24416 That doesnt even work out inside your friends group. You dont get all equal grades regardless how similar you are. There's always some dude who runs circles around others. The whole way things work is a self-contradiction. They teach everyone is equal&special but lets grade you to determine your market value and fuarrrk the trash. You get told adults have personal responsibility and can decide things but then the nanny state takes care of them to protect them against their own dumb choices. That aside I dont know what it is but some people are legit npcs on some fundamental level. They can somehow function following instructions and might even get a degree but then they fail the simplest tasks outside their trained parameters. >>24379 Its all just a game. Why be fruitlessly mad? There is nothing to gain brooding over your given hand. Just play it to your best ability and rate yourself on how well you played not how lucky you were drawing. Secondary you could profit from this too albeit smaller due to less money. If youre attentively lurking on the net you should be in pole position to exploit information advantages.

>>24410 Honestly rebuttal is complete drivel. Do you even know what a strawman is or are you just parroting what you see the cool right wing youtubers say? Your third paragraph is almost incomprehensible also, but > the question should not be what group membership UBI support signals, or whether it's tolerable to your enemies, it should be whether it is likely to succeed in ending wage slavery and improving peoples lives. Yes because giving people $1000 (of which how much goes to a landlord?) per month is a great way to end wage slavery. Stupid ideas will attract stupid people, i.e. #yanggang über liberals, the point isn't that UBI is bad because idiots like it, it's just a bad idea and if you support it: it likely means you yourself are a liberal (read, lack of knowledge about economic factors). The only way we can end wage slavery, like I mentioned, is if we abolish private property and can finally wash our hands with a capitalist mode of production, then we can decide to stop making minion toys just so someone has to waste most of their life working to make a profit for some capitalist. Then once we achieve post-scarcity (which is entirely a real possibility at our level of technological advancement) we can let everyone live freely as they wish.

>>24414 >communism and or equality is about free things Stop this awful bait. With equality rich people work way harder for less and poor work about the same amount but for more assets. Far more assets to the poor. The poor are not in charge so naturally communism is hated as the propaganda you've been taught was spewed forth by rich people that cringe at the idea of them having to work for equal pay. The world is corrupt in other words and that's not a good thing, being taken advantage of by some privileged lord that was handed everything to them on a silver platter, literally silver and literally served on actual platters. Meanwhile my spoon was made of plastic and not silver. With no authority given to me as a birthright I never become what you THINK OF as strong. The environment is not the same at all. The environment of the weak animals was raped by us. How egotistical do you have to be to think that a creature that evolved for a billion years is wrong when in fact humans and their cultures is what damaged the environment? We are weak as a person, the culture allowed technology to be passed down. That culture is poison to the natural ecosystems of the world.

I have more to add to this thread but my posts keep being blocked by a filter sorry fellas

>>24420 >i dont want a single dude to fist me >lets get fisted by a larger group of dudes in government what an improvement No style of distribution changes the people / land dynamic. If you want everyone in a mansion get rid of most people. As long as we are too many people will fight to get enough for themselves even if it takes putting others in dog-sized cages as housing just as it already is literally happening in ch/jp.(latter one has fancier high-tech cages but still same space)

>>24415 >You yourself can't fuarrrk just anyone. She has to be 'the perfect girl'. I don't know about you, but me and a lot of men I know can fuarrrk a walking hole in the wall if you know wha ah meen. Hell, most men don't even have standards. They would fucc an uggo-bot 3000 with no personality and you're selling me this story of about depth of love or something and how you have to light candles and turn on Barry Manilow for Koalas to frick. Da fug. >>24416 Yo I was talking to idiots in my class that sit next to me. >>24417 Ad hominem. Try better next time, you slimy pecksniffian. You don't amuse me in the slightest with your "contributions" to this discussion. Now begone. >>24418 Preach to the peach, but she still just a beech. also >impyling egoism is bad >>24421 If you were to look up we were talking about socialism, not communism. I don't like how you guys (and by "you guys" I mean the hair splitting idiots on the left) keep fuarrrking with me when I try and group up these two chategories but whenever we actually have an honest discussion about socialism then you guys just mention communism out of nowhere. Stick to the script. Don't dilly dally. Just say you fuarrrking hate and are envious to rich people and don't care about whatever label you put on yourself.

>>24417 Also don't mention lords name in vain, you heretic.

>>24420 >>24423 I can't get past the filter I'm giving up on my other replies, sorry. >>24424 Thank you for reducing my post into a single line and displaying to the entire thread in 3 words that you have no clue what you are talking about. You have made a blistering assumption about my political beliefs. I am a communist, the goal is no state, so no I don't have a desire to get faster by a large group of dudes. >No style of distribution changes the people / land dynamic >the people Well if you as a person live in a capitalist system you are in competition for everything in your life. You are in competition with your fellow students for the best grades, to land the most profitable job, to suck off your boss, to get the biggest promotion. You are compelled to play dirty, the system benefits psychopathy. Remove that system: then you don't award this behaviour. It'll will then get removed from society. Humans are social creatures they will quickly adapt. >land Okay how about we take away private property (like I have already said), and........ abolish it? The distribution of the land would change, a lot actually! I do not want everyone to live in a mansion. Please tell me where I said that? I want no one in a mansion If anything. Why should anyone live in a mansion while we still have children dying of hunger? Oh okay now I understand, you just want to twist my argument to bring everyone over to your ecofascist nonsense. muh "there are 2 many ppl the drumpf told me so". Take all these people living in cages and then look at the land that billionaires use to live in abject luxury, hmmmm is there something we could do with this inequality? Maybe we wouldn't even need to commit genocide to solve this problem! Wow! >>24425 >>24427 Jesus Christ this isn't me but calling an edgy retard out for what he is is NOT ad hominem you moron. The amount children on this board spouting 'HAH! fallacy!" in a pathetic attempt to seem educated on their opinion is baffling. The original post sounds like an artificial intelligence trained on r9k degeneracy, it barely makes any sense, If you can't see it you have ulterior motives or are simply samefagging

>>24424 >No style of distribution changes the people / land dynamic. This is vague. Explain what you mean by "the people/land dynamic", because that has evolved significantly over time in most parts of the world, assuming you mean the way that people relate to the land. >If you want everyone in a mansion get rid of most people. I don't want everyone in a mansion. I want everyone to have a decent house, decent clothing, decent food, decent healthcare, a decent amount of free time, etc. Right now we have a tiny amount of people living in decadence, a few living decently(but in a way that is, IMO, not spiritually or physically healthy... that's a different but related problem), and the vast majority living in squalor. Why must it be this way? Even the meanest serf during the feudal days had more free time than we do today. Our society was built off the backs of slaves and it runs off the backs of people who might as well be slaves. >As long as we are too many people will fight to get enough for themselves even if it takes putting others in dog-sized cages as housing just as it already is literally happening in ch/jp.(latter one has fancier high-tech cages but still same space) I believe this is because people are fighting for *more* than enough for themselves. Overpopulation is an issue but it is not the underlying issue of class society. Half the population could disappear today and resource distribution would still be unequal, slavery would still exist. It's not about that.

>>24429 >the people/land dynamic I meant supply/demand. If you wished to house everyone living in tower blocks today in nice houses with gardens you wouldn't find the space for it. Well maybe some countries could do it but its vastly more expensive than putting them in blocks and it would be at the cost of losing more woods and other resources. Space becomes a luxury good the more people you have. This is how you end up with pic related.

>>24430 Why do you think these people have to live here? Please tell me? Is it because China is completely full? Feel free to reply to my other post as well, unless you've seen the errors in your original statement.

>>24430 >I meant supply/demand. If you wished to house everyone living in tower blocks today in nice houses with gardens you wouldn't find the space for it. Well maybe some countries could do it but its vastly more expensive than putting them in blocks and it would be at the cost of losing more woods and other resources. Tower blocks could be improved and better maintained. Hanging gardens could be put on the sides. Cities could be made more pleasant, the nature of work could change so that most people don't have to drive around all the time, etc etc. I think the main rallying cry of socialism isn't "things could be perfect!" but "things could be a whole lot better!"

>>24431 >have to yea, they can just move out and live in country side, why the fuarrrk don't they?

>>24419 If my math scores are not slightly better then authoritarians won't let me but let the slightly better into X position in society to create an illusion of superiority. You get that, right? Why it's a lie? >>24425 >I'd fuarrrk anything Then you're a degenerate and have no right to pretend you are from better stock if you can't control yourself. That aside, they all have standards. You won't fuarrrk a black woman that's 300 lbs that doesn't brush her teeth. Ergo you are too 'weak' to fuarrrk her. For those animals seeing anotehr of their kinds slowly not moving might be foreplay for them and without the peace of staring at one another to make sure "it's safe to fuarrrk because no drama happened" they don't even bother having a baby because X things that disturbed the metaphorical love song of peace proved that the baby would just die anyway. Birds throw out their babies when disturbed while sitting on eggs, parrots do. A pet parrot will not breed due to being observed. You upset it. But they would survive in the wild with no culture and you would not. Who is really weak? The teeth brusher or the bird? The answer depends on the environment the human would be in, or, the animal, of which humans destroyed the animal's environment. If yours was, no more bathing and something tells me you'd not put your dick in that anymore. >>yo I was talking to classmates So you really are a child and he was right about that ad hominem tactic. Wow. >egotism Is delusion as is faith in general a delusion. Egotism is faith in oneself. Faith in your power to choose things. It is not real. Only your current position in power is real, until it's not. >equality Is what op said. Socialism is not about equality but communism is. Socialism is stuff like insurance, forced compassion. Communism is a starving old man without a friend, offered work even if he cannot do it. That is FAIR. What if I die before I get the socialist pity money to keep me alive? Why was I taxed while young? UNFAIR. Communism is pure equality. There is no retirement. There is no food asitance. There is nothing free about it, just equal. The rich are too weak to prove themselves in such a scenario and actively sabotage any attempt at a second world revolution. They are all old weak people getting free things after all, the most powerful. >>24427 Even for a 14 year old this is just weak bait.

>>24428 >The amount children on this board spouting 'HAH! fallacy!" in a pathetic attempt to seem educated on their opinion is baffling. Anonymous internet has disillusioned me about free speech, privacy, and all that jazz. In real life you immediately know if the person you're talking to is insane, retarded, or 12 years old. Since the overwhelming majority of people online are a combination of the above, the only way not to waste your time or poison public discourse is to have some sort of ID.

>>24436 >>In real life you immediately know if the person you're talking to is insane, retarded, or 12 years old Didn't your mother tell you to not judge a book by it's cover?

>>24433 Maybe they can, maybe the cant because the government wont allow them to move past the suicide net line. Maybe the land is frigid and arid, maybe they just havent thought of going outside and planting stuff. Who really knows, i do know people here in the west could use their land wiser too then they wouldnt be dependent on states and companies to feed them. Its sad people treat the earth either like its their property and they can do as they please or they dont give a soykaf and think it doesnt matter. The true fall of man is the idea that we are not part of this earth and arent responsible for it, you can help it grow or destroy it, too bad most people arent interested in growing things other than on their computers or whatever.

>>24431 These guys live in the most dense city of the world. Jp has the same problem with tokyo. People are following jobs and the concentration of people means space becomes increasingly more valued. >>24432 Remote work is a thing that might fix it somewhat but the problem with "if we distribute people we have to kill forests" remains. As said the more people the more luxurious it becomes to give a lot of space to few people. Houses become a privilege where the majority is stuck in blocks.

>>24433 My post keeps getting marked as spam so I can't reply, ill come back later

>>24440 So the spam filter allowed this but not my lengthy thought out reply? nice >>24438 This person has done a pretty good job at responding though

>>24437 If you were an adult you would have figured out that teenagers aren't equipped to understand how disorderly real life is as opposed to ideas in a bubble, and that if adults spent their lives explaining to clueless children that they don't have a clue, children would lack the predisposition to listen which would eventually lead them to having a fuarrrking clue about life.

>>24439 I'm not saying that living space density is a solvable problem. However, all of these are solvable problems: - quality of living space -- does it have good insulation and A/C if necessary? Do the pipes leak? Are there pests? - quality of outside space -- are there parks? Are there plants and animals? Are there public bathrooms and easily accessible services? - required work hours -- how much do most people really need to work to keep things running? I think it is between 10 and 20 hours a week. Logically, that amount of work should be all that is expected in return for food, water, shelter, medical care, etc. Why isn't it? - personal space -- you posted a picture of some people living in cages. Yet there are luxury condos and office buildings sitting empty. Why must they be crammed into that tiny space when there is, in actuality, enough space for all of them to at least get their own small room? I believe that all of these problems are caused by poor urban planning and poor distribution of resources. I believe that any true solution to these problems will be socialist.

>>24443 Wise people know that adults only think they're wise due to age.

>>24443 >if adults spent their lives explaining to clueless children that they don't have a clue this is called "raising a child" and I guess people collectively forgot how to do it.

I have lot to say on this, sadly I must keep It short because of the filters >>24445 He never said this, the only reason you would defend children (<18) posting their un-thought out nonsense is either because you are one, or love spilling the soykafe so much that you want to protect the rights of the dumb posting. >>24444 Quality post comrade With regards to land/density, https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-hugely-overestimate-how-much-land-uk-densely-built I'd highly recommend looking up other relevant statistics about your own country (especially all you xenophobic Americans over there) would be very enlightening, as it is beneficial to capitalists to make you think the 'animalistic Chinese and Indians are breeding like rabbits' to dehumanise them and for them to peddle their eco-fascism. The posters in this saying 'the world is overpopulated' have hardly looked at the real statistics, it's just this vague sense of 'there's too many people in this world!' that is completely unfounded

>>24444 The first step to cut work is to consume less. We went the other route and filled increased efficiency with producing increasingly more crap with the freed up labor force. Whats interesting is whether simulating goods might be cheaper than producing real goods. Might be a sensible answer to "why have a matrix" not because of some crazy harvesting scheme for rogue robots but just to save resources in a controlled manor.

>>24448 germany is so dense you cant piss in a forest without worrying about someone watching where i currently live. I believe china will be much worse. I know they have also untouched land and actually considered traveling there for fun but thats at the other end of the country not near Beijing. Bit off topic but they do have some amazing landscapes to see.

>>24448 This entire thread is what lainchan calls spilling the soykaf. I'm 30 by the way and don't like that '14 year old poster' that is flaming in here. Flaming is what it is ACTUALLY called, not spilling the soykaf. The point I made to him is that talking in real life and trusting what you see is a way to be manipulated. A silly way at that. >oh look it's a guy wearing a badge I have to listen to what he tells me It's bootlicker. >oh look this soda is colorful I have to buy it over the generic brand because it looks safe due to it's looks It's sheep. >this man has a very long beard ergo he must be wise It's stupid. >a child says something profound >>I should laugh at his lack of a broken spirit! It's wrong.

>>24449 >We went the other route and filled increased efficiency with producing increasingly more crap with the freed up labor force. This is a commonly believed but not factual statement. The percentage of people in the world working in production(either food or industrial) is lower than it ever has been. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/employment-by-economic-sector https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.IND.EMPL.ZS?contextual=employment-by-sector (click on "also show" and "employment by sector". About half of all people now work in the 'services' sector, which means they are probably not involved with producing crap) I highly recommend David Graeber's essay "Bullshit Jobs". https://www.strike.coop/bullshit-jobs/

>>24450 >Where I live Is this place a city? Probabilistically it is since that's where most people live! If you google the cities in China and their populations, you will be amazed, they have some of the most populated cities in the world and you'll have never heard of them. This isn't to say everyone should live this densely, but lets say the population of the Earth doubles soon... Will living in close nit communities be worse than genociding half the population? No, it is a problem, like any other, that humanity must overcome, not just brush over by killing people (note: it's always the Chinese, Indians, africans that are the subject of this cleansing). When we run out of landmass, we can build upwards. But if these skyscrapers are owned by capitalists we will end up in a miserable dystopia, however if these are created by the people we can have shared gardens and greenery and communities, etc >>24451 When a child in this thread or elsewhere says something profound, I'll listen. If it's high school philosophy fuelled by black-pilled, edgy, doomerisms then I will call it for what it is.

>>24450 I live in California, which is denser than Germany. Most of the land here is completely deserted. On less popular hiking trails you can walk for an entire day without seeing another person.

>>24454 >>Most of the land here is completely deserted. I should amend this to say "very sparsely populated or completely deserted".

>>24453 >negative things can't be profound The filter got my longer response no matter my method of posting, but okay. You have fun with your faux smiles then Mr Positive.

>>24453 EU isnt even above reproduction value. If they don't import more they would naturally die out slowly and overpopulation wouldnt be even on the table. China far as i know in the same boat cause after one child policy they never got back. >>24454 Entirely impossible here. My biggest forest is like ~1-2 miles and even before corona i would see people jogging/biking whenever i go. Distance between towns/villages is never beyond visible distance. The only good forest is straight up used by military for training and off limits.

>>24456 Negatives can be profound, if they are backed up by facts and an ounce of thought. See the posts we are talking about if you want to see truly what drivel you're defending. Also please go to /q/ and complain about the blocks, I've had the same issues and would love to see the filters fixed.

>>24446 That's not raising a child, that's treating children like your peers so they can feel grown-up.

>>24461 I'm sorry, your post doesn't have a source ergo by your own standards I must call it an edgy teen opinion! COMMENT DISCARDED Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>24463 Not him but if you treat children like children until suddenly an adult what you're left with is a society of manchildren that only think they're mature, of which... yeah.. People forgot how to be mature before they even started.

>>24468 This society of manchildren exists because children are treated as if they were all ready-made genius superstars in the making whose opinions are very important while everyone else - especially older people and their parents - are all stupid and ignorant. Which is partly true because it was their parents who put them in front of the TV and tablets, except they expected those devices to tell them this fundamental truth: you're not a man yet, you have to grow into one. They never feel the need to grow beyond the men they are, while they're really just children who have been told they're men while being taught to be consumers. So they get a hard reality check at 23 and they kill themselves. Don't you understand that it is the desire to become a man that turns you into a man?

>>24467 If you were an educated adult, you'd be able to use a higher level of deductive reasoning too decide whether the opinion is founded in logic, or is an edgy teen opinion. If you can't tell the difference between these you do not belong on an image board. You don't need sources just any sort of logic, when you've been on the internet for a while you can see the same old tired opinions that people have by default, and it's very clear they haven't dedicated much time to developing these views. Much like you can't even understand what I'm saying, you just think I'm saying "NO SAUCE = BAD", no, there is more nuance in opinions and discussions.

>>24475 Parents always soykafting on you is hardly a better scenario. You make it seem like it's binary, every household functions differently. You realise tablets have be around for like 10 years right there's no man children raised on tablets yet, maybe they will prove to be the cure to this societal disease that you have inexplicably made up. All we need to do is get people educated, then they will realise what is important and stop consoooming so much. Ever known a mathematics professor obsessed with Disney garbage? (abolishing capitalism would help too considering that is the literal reason any form of consumerism exists)

>>24478 >Parents always soykafting on you See, you're proving my argument again and again. I said that young and inexperienced people should be taught to accept that more often than not, they don't have a clue and reading some high school philosophy doesn't mean they know better. This does not imply disrespect, you only perceive it to.

>>24420 >Do you even know what a strawman is or are you just parroting what you see the cool right wing youtubers say? A strawman argument is when you misrepresent the position you are arguing against, in order to make your argument look better. Do you actually not understand the case for why that specific part of your argument is one or are you just not paying attention? BTW not right wing at all, this should have been inferred from what I wrote before. Ironic that you're criticizing others for making assumptions about your political beliefs. Right wing youtubers have the same issues I am criticizing you for. Consider being less like them. >incomprehensible So it's because you aren't paying attention. >Stupid >#yanggang über liberals >it's just a bad idea and if you support it: it likely means you yourself are a liberal >the point isn't that UBI is bad because idiots like it If that isn't the point, then actually make the actual point instead of repeating that one. Please become self aware enough to notice that beyond stating your position, your only arguments are generic insults and insults about group identity. You sound like an ideology robot; think about spending less time marinating in the Twitter brain rot.

>>24478 >Parents always soykafting on you is hardly a better scenario. my parents always scoffed at my views, and it made me grow up and learn how to defend my views. >All we need to do is get people educated, then they will realise what is important and stop consoooming so much. Education is a small part of learning how to be an adult. You mostly learn from the adults in your life, or if there are no adults in your life you learn from tv. Hence why so many people from broken homes repeat the cycle, why so many professors are children of highly educated people, etc... I know that, personally, I would not be good with computers if my dad wasn't an engineer who encouraged me to experiment with his old work computers.

>>24490 I'm not the person you're talking to but I fail to see how this is proving anything. Yeah every kid finds some philosophy and thinks they are smart, they naturally will outgrow these beliefs as they accrue more knowledge, unless you spend all day on image boards in a positive feedback loop. Parents aren't the issue, they should promote kids to read philosophy, the more philosophy the read the more they'll realise they haven't got it figured out. You've imagined a society of man children and are imagining a solution, all based off nothing but gut feelings. >>24502 No one gives a soykaf about your logical fallacies dude it does not make your point more grounded in reason. I'm paying perfect attention, it is not my fault you choose to soykaf on the keyboard rather than make your point clear. Ah cherry picking me poking a little bit of fun at liberals, yes, the true pillar of logic and reason comes to show us all! Thank you for showing everyone how a true argument is meant to be made, at least when I joke I mould my opinion around it, rather than just write a large post of nothingness. So have you got a response to my points at why UBI is bad? Oh that's right, you do not. >>24503 My parents are idiots so they had no hope in teaching me, there is an in-between that works. Education by definition is everything to do with learning to do things. It's very obvious intelligent parents habor intelligent children for a myriad of reasons, but if we actually had realistic and decent education systems we could bypass the need to have engineer/mathematician parents to show kids the way, and give every child a chance to do stuff they are interested in.

>>24507 >Parents aren't the issue, they should promote kids to read philosophy, the more philosophy the read the more they'll realise they haven't got it figured out. Kids reading philosophy LMAO. You're not equipped to read philosophy and figure out, for example, that anarchy is completely unachievable no matter how nice it looks on paper. Reading philosophy implies processing ideas. This can only happen through the personal filter of experience. Young people shoudl be taught to be receptive before they are taught to read what is mostly political propaganda. >all based off nothing but gut feelings. You dismiss experience as gut feelings, but you wouldn't feel comfortable being operated by a student surgeon who only read it in the books. Enjoy your theorycrafting.

>>24512 And how can young people develop filters without reading and learning, you fuarrrking dolt. It goes both ways (you may not be aware since it seems as though you don't read much), you can experience new things and tie these back to things you've read, you can reread books and gain new ideas, however if we lived in your world these books and ideas would be off limits to anyone below the age of 18, and what a dull world that would be. > Philosophy books are propaganda Ah we've found the philistine. If kids don't read and take in a wide range of ideas they become as single minded and dull as you are right here. Your small insignificant experiences are gut feelings. You have no evidence of there being a 'greater number of man children' or anything, it's subjective speculation based off some soykafty superiority complex. There you go again extrapolating huge links and trends without any thought, there's a reason a surgeon would require years of training, as opposed to a kid reading philosophy and arguments. I want the surgeon to make no errors, however when it comes to a young person learning the ways of life they MUST hit dead ends and fail. That is how life and learning works.

I just watch tv clips from jewtube all day along with fapping and listening to music.

>>24521 Only good answer in this post.