The "Normie"

I am growing bored of general 'chan' culture. I am growing more and more displeased with the state of cyber-culture. Chan enthusiasts are too into childish behaviors like playing video games and watching anime. Is being a normal person really so bad? Is having a social circle and romantic interests so awful? Should I really be ashamed I want such things? Am I becoming a normal person? Or is this just growing up and realizing this is all pathetically lame? I question my interests now, and whether or not I really want to pursue them.

Yeah, the normal person hate is and has always been based on bitterness and envy. normal people have it better in nearly every single way. Some people can't admit that to themselves. If you are able, you should get the hell out immediately. Don't feel guilty; you don't have to give one blood-soaked ѕһіt about the judgement of people around here.

>>23815 I feel, in a way, connected to the people here. We share a common struggle; to be better accepted by society. We as Lainons should try to better ourselves and promote a healthier mental state than what most chan-sites do. We are Lainchan. We are Lainons. We are not 4chan, and we don't have to be so -called /b/tards.

Get a social circle and a girlfriend. Nobody should feel elitist for abstaining from a social life. Maybe you should wait a until the virus hype dies down though. I think the jaded anime and vidya loser stereotype is a side effect of avoiding social media (a good thing) and not having a job. And if you hang out with normalcattle for long enough you will see where anons are coming from, people are just fuarrrkin stupid sometimes. >>23815 The normalcattle have it easy. It's not a better way of living by all metrics, and a lot of them end up depressed anyway because you can still have a hollow, soulsucking existence on top of a social life.

Normal user is just the new buzzword for conformist. Being completely normal in a broken society is vile. That said you can deviate from the norm and be exeptional for the worse as well. You just have to improve yourself and your world and say damn the world they live in I'll make my own. You can be a lot better than normal if you stop limiting yourself. Having friends and a wife and kids is not something bad, having the wrong people in your life is. We are all connected. You can't escape your humanity. We do not thrive in total isolation. Find people who improve at your rate that you can trust.

At this point the only reason I use imageboards is that I can post quickly, without having to register an account. On every single other metric I can think of imageboards lose badly against anything else. It's not just about a normal person life or cyberculture, it's just everything. I don't hate games or anime and find people passionate about it cool and interesting, but I hardly bother with discussions for those topics on chans. You can easily find better quality or a more welcoming environment in a lot of other places if needed. And I feel others, normal people or not, know this too, and that is why a site like Lainchan is unable to thrive even when everyone is forced to stay at home.

I've been having similar thoughts lately. All the games and such I used to enjoy, now I get bored after maybe 5 or 10 minutes. I don't even enjoy programming all that much anymore, despite being really into it back in my teens and college years. I mean, this could just be anhedonia or something, but I don't know. I want to meet people and maybe even get into a relationship for once in my life. Only problem is, I'm so socially stunted from my youth that I don't even know where to begin. The only friend I have, I met by chance during my last year of high school. And that was 10 years ago. I avoid social media just because both my friend and I know how addictive and pointless it is. I hang out on a few chats, but there's only really one that I regularly talk in. And even then, I barely contribute anything to existing conversations because I know so little about things that people talk about. Even with my own interests, I don't know enough to make conversation. I don't want to be a normal person in terms of "watches TV/movies, knows about sportsball, gets opinions from pundit #53743", just in terms of social competence and not hating myself. I feel like imageboards have influenced me big time, too. They're useful as a crutch for social anxiety, as I can say what I want without it being associated with an identity of mine, but I've gotten so used to speaking anonymously that I become extremely cautious and hesitant about what I say while under an identity. In that way, I think it's actually made my anxiety worse.

It's pretty childish to consider any personal hobby as childish and think that makes you a grownup now. As for the rest well some people just get hurt enough they want to give up on trying on interpersonal relationships or they just have their own personal needs and really don't actually desire some things others do. What is the ideal life is what an individual wants so long as they aren't seriously harming others. The whole us vs them mentality is stupid no matter what side you're on.

>>23821 "when I was a child, I thought like a child" you gotta grow up from things that are perceived as childish

>>23822 "When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me." you're talking to people on an anonymous message board, they're still children. it hurts their poor little feelings to think they're anything but.

>>23821 Childish hobbies are childish. Picking your nose, jerking off to my little pony, playing with tonka trucks, collecting comics, and so on and on and on. Adults have adult hobbies, and they're much more demanding and fulfilling. Would you rather limit your intellectual capacity by reading spiderman for the rest of your pathetic life?

I despise cultures of resentment. I despise people who dislike those who are better off than them. This whole loser morality thing is a pathetic, an unhealthy coping mechanism. Yet, I don't think engaging in videogames and anime is childish, and they are not hobbies inherently tied to antisocial people. Hell, I don't even think there's anything wrong with being an introvert, some people really would just rather spend most of their time alone. >>23817 Don't pretend "non-normal" people are not cattle. But yeah, you have a point, most people are uninteresting and can't think for themselves. It is difficult to surround yourself with good friends, and I feel privileged for having good company. >>23818 I agree with the sentiment.

>>23822 >>23823 You two have crossed a line now, for taking Bible verses out of context is a pet peeve of mine. Let's see the full chapter... 1 Corinthians 13 (ESV, emphasis mine): "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love." Now, do you really think that the meaning of this statement is "don't be childish" or "don't let others perceive your actions as childish"? Here, it's being used as a descriptive illustration of how things will change between now and the next age. It seems to me that nothing is being prescribed at all.

>>23814 >Am I becoming a normal person? You're just growing up. The people you're talking to are mentally 14 year old no matter their actual age and understand fuarrrk all about anything because everything they experience is second hand.

It's fairly obvious the childish things aren't the hobbies, but the ways you share them here. Watching an anime or playing a game is not different at all from the normal person hobby of watching Netflix or reading books after all.

>>23814 Normal is bad for an entirely different reason than hating weebs. Normal is avg. The avg person is poor & stupid. Hating normal is a reminder to oneself to not fall into the pit of mediocrity and get comfortable sitting there. It's practiced elitism. >>23822 >>23827 The core is "as you changed your interaction with the world changed". It does not elevate adults into being smarter people. It points out that you have inherent biases due to how you are forced to interact with the world. The world wont accept a grown man acting like a toddler.

>>23835 >Watching an anime or playing a game is not different at all from the normal person hobby of watching Netflix or reading books after all. Doing different things than the normal people was supposed to mean you had different thought patterns than the normal people. But people who think of themselves as part of a counterculture now indulge in the same dumb consoomerism and masturbatory self-gratification, only in a different flavor. While entertainment is prone to this by design so it can't be blamed, everything has become entertainment. Culture has been replaced by it, religion has been replaced by it, even charitable things or activism are nothing but a tool for self-promotion on social media. This prosumer nature that envelops every aspect of human interaction has made things fuarrrking aggravating for everyone with a brain. That's all there is now, your job and whatever dumb fuarrrking entertainment you use to shut off your brain when you get home. That's all people are now, on the internet, off the internet. Jesus Christ I think bees have more individuality.

>>23837 Same behaviour, different outcome. Most visibly they turn into weebs instead of us fanboys like the majority who prefers to watch us tv shows. It should make a general difference in instilled values. Same way i would say chinese content shows a strong contrast in values through their media to both of them.

Its totally normal. After a certain point, imageboards only serve to hinder your personal development, after all the sites are continuously repopulated with fresh manchildren.

>>23814 I kinda agree, I still play video games and watch anime, and spend a significant amount of time alone in my room. But I have started thinking that humans absolutely need to integrate with their societies, and that this anti-social behaviour might be the result of a general distaste with society. It should be noted that I don't believe society to be nearly as bad as it is made out to be on the chans. I think the effect is significantly amplified by the bitter users on the chans. I am not saying society is all roses and moonshine either (that is not how it goes, is it?) there are some genuinely nasty things that are viewed as normal, and a large amount of people are coerced into participating in this. I think this is the result of humans being herd animals of sorts. Despite the emphasis on individuality and whatnot people always want to be accepted by those around them and will quickly identify and mimick "leaders". With all this said, there are nice people, people that share interests with you, unfortunately I think it is harder for the non-"normal person" to filter through everyone that will end up hurting them to get to people that are nice. But it might be possible for everyone to be nice and accepting, unfortunately I don't believe I have the charisma to motivate people into being nice. I would also like to say that I don't believe society to be in a good state currently (or ever for that matter) so there should be an active effort to not just conform to current "standards" of society, because that is an excellent way to end up as yet another boring sheep that is just waiting to die. I read something beautiful once, something along the lines of being a pillar for one's community, someone other people can look up to. While it might seem a little vain, the idea I took away from it is that one should be the improvement one wishes to see. I have kinda digressed from the theme in the OP. So to give my quick thoughts: >Is having a social circle and romantic interests so awful? No, it is good and natural. >Growing up Probably maturing, yes. >Pathetically lame >Question interests This is the point where you should be careful, lainon. While you very well might have outgrown some interests and hobbies, you should take care to not hurt yourself by abandoning things you like to fit into society. Be honest with yourself. And please keep in mind that it is easy to say "everyone that watches anime is a fat neckbeard" and then try to disassociate with anime as a result. Anime is just the example here, but it could go for any interest you have. It is however definitely worth it to question your interests and I would encourage people to do this every now and then. It has the potential to cut a lot of negative things from one's life. I know I said this would be quick, but I kinda started ranting, so apologies for that.

>>23841 >and that this anti-social behaviour might be the result of a general distaste with society I think it also has to do with a perceived inability to change society. I think you need confidence in your own personal agency to be a successful antisocial. Otherwise it's very easy to spiral into hopelessness.

>>23822 >>23823 obvious same user Worrying about whether or not something you like is "childish" is, in and of itself, childish. You should just do what makes you happy (as long as it's not hurting anyone), because worrying about whether you're "supposed" to have those interests will only make you miserable. Trying to find people who share in those interests could even be the key to finding a social circle or romantic interest. As a side note, what kind of a rock have you been living under where you think that normal people don't play video games? It's been decades since video games have been considered "childish" in normal person culture.

>>23814 Only losers need anonymous web forums to socialize on. That's why they hated invaders that were disingenuous in their posts. They are basically trolls to the abnormal perspective that generally come to mock and laugh at the weird white cis males they find online. That evolved into trying to turn everyone into a nigger lover transsexual. Yes being some sjw enabler is bad.

>>23814 Calling someone a normal person is rather poor on your part and I think that the term "normal user" can vary from community to community. For example when I think of a normal person/normal user on lainchan I don't necessarily think of someone in a loving relationship or whatever else you might think is a "normal person". I think of some fool who uses windows, discord, any form of social media and sometimes I'd go as far and say some fool who uses a high level programming language without understanding the theory behind it. Sometimes I'd even think of some fool who uses memes in their posts because they lack basic vocabulary to express themselves. Some may argue that I'm grouping too many people together and that might be the case but I don't quite get what are you doing on a predominantly tech website whilst being a tech illiterate. I dislike this silly notation of "normal person" in the first place, I think of it as just a stupid meme. Being a lone loser who posts on imageboards doesn't make you "better" than someone who's in a relationship. If both of you for example allow social media services to exploit you (or software companies) than both of you are "normal person" fools in my eyes.

>>23814 Back in the early days of chans there was such a diverse range of interesting anons from all walks of life you'd never really be able to narrow them down to a single demographic. These people came to chans so they could air out their real selves on a website lacking consequences at the time while entertaining and finding likeminded individuals with the commonality being we are all "anon". I believe that is still largely the case. >>Chan enthusiasts are too into childish behaviors like playing video games and watching anime. Is being a normal person really so bad? Whether or not you like anime or video games isn't the problem. It's ultimately just another way to connect with others and is not inherently better or worse. Looking down on others for what they enjoy, that I believe is childish thinking. >> Is having a social circle and romantic interests so awful? Should I really be ashamed I want such things? Am I becoming a normal person? Or is this just growing up and realizing this is all pathetically lame? I question my interests now, and whether or not I really want to pursue them. You are free to pursue what you need to feel fulfilled. Don't feel shame for questioning your interests or changing tastes anon. If anything it's a sign of self-awareness and a desire for self-actualization. Everyone should try to pursue that in some capacity.

>>24066 >Whether or not you like anime or video games isn't the problem. It's ultimately just another way to connect with others You are a lost cause if you believe this.

>>23816 This is true, but from my experience it's still coldly inferior to real community. Not to knock it or sound ungrateful. I am thankful for my place here.

>>24268 He's right. Any form of media builds common ground between people who consume it. If you consume nothing you will have a harder time to socialize. The only thing you could criticize is that anime has still a fringe audience. Gaming however is even more competitive than popular movies. Online-Gaming is right now especially viable to stay in touch with peers.

>>24272 >If you consume nothing you will have a harder time to socialize.

>>24273 Is that an edgy way to say you have no friends anyway?

>>24273 >if you consume nothing This doesn't exist, though. Think about what you just said for a minute.

After reading through these, I'll probably never post on a crap site like this or reddit ever again. Internet culture o\has turned out to be for losers

>>24279 Now you're getting it. A wise decision. The internet was entirely a mistake. It's a horrific creation. I think mankind would advance considerably if we just tore it down, went to the data centers and other infrastructure and just took off all the bolts and cut all the cables.

>>24279 The fact that you are here means you have nothing better to do... leisure funposting isnt gonna foster quality. Your own post is also part of it. >>24278 The core message was just "the less topics you learn about the less you have to small talk about" Simple platitude but valid. People really need to stop being contrarian on the net. Its just a collective waste of time as it unnecessary prolongs topics. That said i dont think either its worth wasting time on netflix just to small talk for good boy points about it with higher ups at work. I do know however several girls who only started gaming to get their bf's approval have something to do together. So the idea of people doing it just for that is a real thing that happens.

>>24281 sadly the internet make people hostile. It's easier to talk trash to someone behind a screen

>>24281 >People really need to stop being contrarian on the net Woof, you said a mouthful. Definitely agree but don't see how it's going to ever happen. People really need to do a lot of things, but unless there's some structural change in the medium itself, they aren't all going to magically decide to do something different as a coordinated whole. I think it's just a fundamental aspect of the platform. It makes communication very impoverished, and thus makes people act really ѕһіtty. It's not a minor flaw to be managed; it's a core part of the system.

>>24281 >I do know however several girls who only started gaming to get their bf's approval have something to do together It's called bonding, and we do it even here when we lurk more or whatever. It's not shocking that this is a "real thing", it is perfectly natural to do so

>>24281 >People really need to stop being contrarian on the net Dream on

"Being normal" is being depressed, married to a woman you don't love, socializing with boring people, mindlessly consuming stuff, working just to pay the bills, drinking alcohol and taking drugs all weekends.

>>24295 You are being quite presumptuous.

>>24276 It's a way to say that "what you consume" is only a tiny part of the available topics you can talk about, and probably one of the emptiest. Lainon confirmed this implication in >>24281 >The core message was just "the less topics you learn about the less you have to small talk about" Which is a very ironic line to find on what is supposed to be a counterculture/cyberpunk website. Good fuarrrking grace, look at yourselves.

>>24305 >ironic line to find on what is supposed to be a counterculture/cyberpunk website to pretend to be normal to avoid the repercussions of being spotted as an outlier is the avg cyb plot.

>>24306 >I like anime ironically Sure you do

>>24295 If by drugs you mean prescription pills and by alcohol you mean drinking beer in front of the tv with terrible content and 50% adverts, youre dead on. Also dont forget owning a car that keeps breaking forcing you to pay for constant maintainance and buying groceries aka terrible overpriced unhealthy food.

>>23814 lucky for me, i've evolved to a new level of elitism: everyone besides myself is my inferior, including all chan users (but i don't identify as a chan user of course because i'm special) the thing is though you don't want to be surviving on your own pee and poo, so you gotta be able to learn from everyone, including your enemies (though you shouldn't have enemies 'cuz that'd be a waste of energy), normal people, and chan users

>>23822 >>23824 Interests can't ever be childish. Childish is more of a mindset on how you treat others and handle responsabilities. Has nothing to do with hobby.

>>23818 re: your image >The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw

>Chan enthusiasts are too into childish behaviors like playing video games and watching anime. Is being a normal person really so bad? It's 2020. Those are both normal people things.

>>25352 Changing the enviroment instead of changing oneself was once thought to be defining point separating people from animals. Got less valid with time through the discovery of beavers and other animals likewise making drastic changes to create their own habitat. Of course people are still the most far reaching.

I dont really notice anti normal person weirdness on this board so im not sure why you are bringing it up here. Im just growing tires of right wing inflitration. Its so exhausting, especially when ive heard it all before because for a few years like 6 yrs ago i got wrapped up in that mess. There's nothing worse than hate that comes from a place of understanding.

>>25353 Eeehhh you probably think that because you're young and more online that irl social. I like those things too, but I know they are mostly look down upon and childish anyway. They're red flags to most adults once you reach a certain point.

>>25363 Yeah, I'm pretty tired of it too. The infiltration is not only relentless, it's incredibly boring and uncreative too. Those people never say anything new, just the same old tricks and stories and lame arguments that they use in quantity to make up for the low quality. They're all so retardedly persistent and never think up anything new.

>>25371 You could not be more wrong. I barely watch anime, don't play video games and can tell I'm older than you. Trust me when I say that things like Playstation are quite mainstream now and certain video games are as massive as blockbuster movies.

>>25412 Just out of curiosity, how old are you anyway?

>>25372 The same goes for commies.

>When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.