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have you ever raped anyone? has your girlfriend or wife ever been raped? have you yourself been? any relevant information is welcome. i'll start. my ex girlfriend was raped while we were in highschool. she and i were 16 at the time. we were having some trouble in our relationship at the time, and we decided to take a "break." our troubles werent that serious and we expected it to only take around a week. the following weekend, i guess she got drunk with her friends and a coworker, and the coworker raped her. i dont know the details, but i know it happened because she was very clearly traumatized. i knew something was wrong with her for a few days and i eventually forced her to tell me over text. shes said she got raped and i was shocked. i freaked out and wanted revenge, or to tell the police or do something but she said no cops and told me she didnt know who it was. she lied about that, because she didnt want to go to the police and she didnt want me to get in trouble for killing him i guess. i know it happened and she wasnt lying because she was truamatized. would go into shock when we would have sex, and she even became a lesbian for a few months after we broke up. the reason we broke up is because i couldnt handle her being fuarrrked up and i couldnt deal with the fact she lied.

I've been raped. I still get flashbacks and go into a really weird mood whenever I'm in any sexual situation, even if I initiated it. Really, I pretty much refuse to be alone with or physically near anyone I wouldn't like to have sex with, because I don't trust them not to do the same thing.

I've done bestiality: assuming non-human animals can't consent, then technically I raped a female donkey when I was 19. She was young yet of reproductive age, she just hadn't mated yet. It felt good and she seemed aroused but the fuarrrk do I know. At a younger age (13) I sexually abused a family member. After that I remember watching a bunch of rape footage on the Internet until I stumbled upon one particular video of an Indian girl being gang-raped and screaming to the top of her lungs, which fuarrrking scarred me to this day (I can't even read or hear the word "rape" without feeling anxious) and led me to stop and question my acts. I'm deeply ashamed of all of this and now (23) all I want is a normal sexual and love life, a goal I'm slowly but steadily progressing towards. I've dated a handful of girls but, sans the donkey experience, I'm still a virgin. I never sought professional help and don't plan to, since I don't trust strangers and I've come up with my own cope mechanisms. I suspect one of the girls I dated might've been a victim of abuse. She sounds a bit like >>23513 in that she doesn't like to be alone with men, and becomes very uncomfortable at the slightest hint of physical contact or flirting; she also hasn't had a boyfriend since high school and is roughly my age. I also know she used to be a JW and really hated it, but not much more.

>>23500 I fear that this thread will not end well, but we shall see. I would have preferred a different image, as that one provokes dread in me in spite of the fact that I've never been raped, so I imagine the psychological effect could be quite unpleasant for previous victims. You know that "trigger" concept that gets so much flack? This is the kind of thing it was made for. >>23516 What was your thought process with the donkey? Did you ignore your moral concerns or just not have them? How sexually frustrated were you at the time? Did you have a thing for donkeys or was that just what was available? Was there an appeal in the act's perversity? Was it symbolic for you in some way? Was there a strong connection between your motives for abusing your family member and your motives with the donkey, or would you say that you consider them essentially separate behaviors? Were you also a victim of sexual abuse? How do you feel about animals in general, apart from sex? Are you into furry stuff? Is there anything else you'd like to clarify or share? I want to understand this. Answer as many or as few of these questions as you like.

TW: CSA, Rape >have you ever raped anyone? When I was 14 I tried to penetrate my 8 year old brother while he was sleeping next to me in my bed. He didn't notice anything. I've always been deeply ashamed of myself because of that and it has been a contributing factor to my depression and low self-esteem. We are on good terms but still can't look him in the eyes.

>>23517 Wow, got ourselves a sigmund freud here... I have had a number of friends get raped, two of them involved drugs/intoxication, and one of them was a forced sex act. The one that specifically stood out to me was a good friend of mine who told me how he was date raped by a very obese woman at a bar. He and his coworkers went out one night, and the woman approached him, and bought him a drink that she drugged, and he started drifting in and out of consciousness, he remembered her grabbing his genitals in the taxi, her mounting him, and then in the morning he woke up covered in sexual fluids and the woman had stolen his wallet and phone. His coworkers thought it was funny, but it took him a while to track down the taxi driver who told him he was essentially abducted, and the woman said he was her boyfriend. The other one was a college party, and you guessed it, too much alcohol, a few men wanted to have sex, and took advantage of the inability of the woman to consent or even do anything, she was traumatized after waking up to being penetrated orally and vaginally at the same time. She never reported it, because they were pretty popular athletes and she did not want to be called a slut. The last one was a man who invited a woman over to socialize, then basically forced her to have sex against her will even though she was uncomfortable and said no. My friend never really explained what happened, but that was what she has told me over the years. Another thing to remember is that even coming forward about rape was and still is in many places taboo, I would guess the actual numbers of non-consenting sexual acts are actually much higher. I do not personally consider two adults who consent while intoxicated to be rape, because they were both not able to clearly make decisions, so technically they could be said to have raped each other, which would be a fallacy.

You gave me a boner, OP. I think I'm a sick person now, I guess :D Not that I could rape someone myself, because I'm an emphatic person. But answering your question, my ex friend was almost raped, but she stabbed the guy in a leg, he apologized and ran away.

>>23516 Well, I guess I've seen just about everything on this chan now.

Bestiality, hebephilia and ephebophilia repeatedly, and ongoing. I say this in the rape thread because most people call all of that "rape". However, all of the above can and do consent. Animals are a bit more tricky because you need to interpret behavior and body language, but the other two say yes. So really, rape? I don't really think so, everybody walks away happy and pleased.

One of my best friends of years once mentioned to me a vague, hazy memory, where he was raped (anally penetrated) as a kid by one of his neighbours at the time, who was around his teens. When he told me this, he seemed to feel very humiliated and then started to go on how he would kill the guy on the spot if he ever crossed him again. I'm one of two people on Earth who knows this. His ex girlfriend, who was my friend at the time (not anymore), was almost victim of an abduction when she was a teenager. A shady man driving a car was verbally harassing her and inviting her to the car while she waited for her bus at late night. She ran away until the car stopped following her, then threw up on the sidewalk. I read rape hentai occasionally, no one gives a soykaf about drawings, but I feel enraged when I read about real rape scenarios. I feel provoked by the injustice and my heart aches. Years ago, I took non consentual photos of a girl I liked while she was asleep (nothing inherently sexual, but to me it meant that way). I quickly deleted them and I try to forget this, but the guilt is iron heavy -- this is the first time I verbalize this incident, it hurts to admit even anonimously. If my body were to be possessed by a demon and I ever raped someone, I would kill myself from the guilt, I'm sure of it.

I was raped by a friend's dad when I was a kid. Did a bunch of really strange stuff for the rest of my childhood which is basically a continuing pattern of it. Have a girlfriend in my life now with a similar upbringing. It's actually really liberating to finally be with somebody who understands and not have to worry about being weird or fuarrrking everything up 'cause I have a broken conception of what love and sex are supposed to be. Finally feel like a real person again. FYI mine was the very forcible and lucid kind, not just statutory (but it was also that) and not under the influence of drugs (at least not the first time, but I definitely went through a lot of drug abuse since then). I have never raped someone else to my knowledge, and personally I'd rather commit suicide than do such a thing. Life goes on. It's fine. Not great, but fine. It has to be.

>>23516 You're pretty normal. The "family member" part makes me wonder if it was even really that 'bad'. If the donkey liked it, the video of suffering triggered your empathy, then how bad could the 'abuse' have been I wonder? Legality doens't reflect actual psychological depth of disturbances things cause. >>23513 This is a silly way to cope. It's not like someone attractive can't attack you too. In effect what you are saying is you're promiscuous and intolerant of men you deem unworthy of your presence.

I've know someone who was they become a unbairably soykafty person afterwards, went from a great person to basically a total psychopath.

>>23567 >Don't blame others for your decisions Was literally held down and fuarrrked in the ass by a man in his forties while I was a nine-year-old boy. I was over at his house to hang out with his son, my classmate and friend, and ran into him while going into the garage to get a soda from the fridge in there. Interested in how you're going to twist yourself around to explain this as something that was totally in my own control. Go ahead, I know you'll try without any sort of self-awareness or introspection at all. You seem to have a great and powerful need for nobody to have ever had sex they didn't want. This is just delusional. This is coming from a flaw in you, not a flaw in society. The sooner you admit this to yourself the better your life will be.

I have never raped anyone but I don't feel bad for having a rape instinct. I would be lying if I would claim that raping a female in a vulnerable situation would never crossed my mind. Having a rape instinct isn't actually rare at all for men, it is even more common for women to have rape fantasies.

>>23665 Oh yes, absolutely. Most sex in the animal kingdom is what we'd ethically consider rape. We inherit their basic instincts in a large way. But as the most highly organized social creatures, we have developed systems on top of that with proportionally greater responsibilities and self-control. It's like the phenomenon of intrusive thoughts; often when I'm talking with somebody face to face I'll imagine for a brief moment what would happen if i stabbed them, or pulled my pants down and waved my dick at them, or licked their face. Or l'appel du vide: the brief urge to leap from a high place even if one isn't suicidal. It happens to most. But intrusive thoughts are not necessarily intent. There's just a deep part of the brain seemingly tasked with exploring all the extreme possibilities. It's not something to feel guilty about. We are still somewhat rational creatures.

>>23928 Actually the issue isn't enjoyment it's consent. A kid can get some guy sent to prison but enjoyed it, but it still be legally rape as they were not old enough to consent desite the enjoying. You can hate sex and not enjoy it at all and still give consent. Obviously rape exists, but it's a very silly thing to argue about because it's to do with legality and not emotions, but instead the illogical notions of feminists.

>>23516 >assuming non-human animals can't consent That's silly. It's not that they can't consent, it's that we cannot know whether they consented, which, morally, are equivalent, because when we don't know which, we have to consider each. In any particular version of the world, you did one or the other, but unless we know in which version we are, we must consider it as the polyworld of which each particular version is. Without further evidence, you both raped, and didn't rape, him. (By what data did you infer his arousal?) I've abused (often, and brazenly (mostly, it was psychological, that being able to make them feel that dysphoria exactly as i designed; yeah, I'm still fuarrrked up (hopefully, I'm channelling that more productively)); whose latent (?) consequences I fear / am glad to have escaped) and I've been abused. It's never been something that's phased me. What did phase me was when (long after my abuse was only a distant memory) I learned about a rumor that I raped the person who, unbeknownst to me, had recently broken-up with me. (Helluva way to go!) After that, I had a very difficult time believing rape allegations, because, by all my data, the natural inference was that, despite an abundance of rape being, rape allegations, even collective, were false. To day, I'm unsure of their truth. >>23942 It's not to do with legality (nor emotion) but choice. >>23663 >issues, rabidly, a challenge The posts countering your only-1/3-nonraving post about your overtly nonconsentual encounter were made after your post, so your post caused them.

>>24003 Animals have very distinct "consent" body language. The key is being able to read it.

>>23942 Choice is a non sequitur in world controlled by quantum uncertainty. You're a bunch of statistical probabilities.

>>23942 The issue is very clearly consent. Kids can't consent.

>>24054 Choice would also be non sequitur in a world without quantum uncertainty, because then you would be a bunch of already determined particle collisions. Regardless, free will and intent are useful concepts when discussing human actions.

>>24177 >Choice would also be non sequitur in a world without quantum uncertainty, because then you would be a bunch of already determined particle collisions. lmao, imagine thinking determinism is incompatible with free will. Imagine thinking that if your actions are random, then they are more "yours". >>24054 also, imagine thinking that quantum mechanics is nondeterminstic, like some kind of popsci nerd.

>>24054 Then why even post this comment? Everyone here is acting out their own determinism by having this meta-discussion on our nonexistent free will. Even you are saying something pre-determined that ultimately has no purpose, was never your choice, and has no possibility of convincing anybody who wasn't already fated to be convinced. My point is: even if everything we do is pre-determined in some esoteric dance of physics and probabilistic particles, we can't help but act like it's not that way. Even if it's true, that very determinism causes us to act as if it's false. The only rational action to take with this information is to continue living normally and act as if there were no predeterminism. If it's true, then you have no choice anyway and you'll do whatever it is you do. If it's false, then you must exercise your will.

>>24182 randomness would be the anti-thesis of a "you" unless you were to assume different random distributions linked to the respective individual but its also the only alternative to determinism. The common concept of choice is the ability to take different paths. For the individual that can only exist with randomness. I do subscribe to the theory of randomness being merely hidden complexity. That kills the idea of free will as described. The only sensible way to reconceptualize it then is by looking at the options and viewing it as "if i switched people would someone choose different?" >>24196 Not necessary. People can simply believe its their fate to archive greatness through hardship. In fact studies generally support a positive outlook on success having positive impact on outcome. Negative outlook generally breaks performance. People who are too afraid of failure straight up freeze.

>>24203 I agree. But you're still using the language of free will. I'm responding to someone who apparently has the assumption that free will is physically impossible, an illusion. In such a case, "people can simply believe" absolutely nothing that isn't predetermined for them to believe. If we entertain this idea, people can't change their outlook one whit from what it is fated for them. And that's kind of exactly my point. Even thinking in such a framework, we can't resist this libidinal assumption that free will is still possible. We must simply continue to act as if we are free agents with the possibility to affect our future. If the theory is false, then yes I agree with you completely: positive outlook is best by far. If the theory is true, then it still stands. You could not change yourself even if you tried, so you may as well see if a positive outlook is your fate anyway. It's a distinction without a difference. The outcome is always the same, like all solipsistic thought experiments. It's useless to even think about it. Personally, I agree with you: I think I have free will and choose to be positive about my outlook. Even if I don't, this is my way and the question of free will is ultimately meaningless. To think about the nonexistence of free will is in itself an act that fundamentally assumes the possibility of agency. It's nearly insanity.

>>24203 >The common concept of choice is the ability to take different paths. For the individual that can only exist with randomness. How would that be so? If my choice is random, I still have no control. In fact I have less control. If my choice is a result of previous states of myself, then it could be said that my present self has control over my future actions. However if my choice is random, then my present self and future self only have the appearance of continuity, and are in fact unconnected by direct causality... the notion of an individual existing, let alone having anything approaching agency, becomes incoherent. >I do subscribe to the theory of randomness being merely hidden complexity. That kills the idea of free will as described. The idea of free will as described is already nonsensical. >The only sensible way to reconceptualize it then is by looking at the options and viewing it as "if i switched people would someone choose different?" What does it mean to "switch people"? If you were a different person, in a different location, would you do something differently? Of course you would, even if the only difference was that you were an inch to the left you would eventually behave differently over time.

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I don't think there's such a thing as rape. We're animals, and animals don't have a concept of consent. It's all socially constructed. Really, all women want is to successfully reproduce with good stock. So long as you're hot, it isn't sexual harassment/assault.

>>24296 > you see, x doesn't exist... because humans created it > why yes I do believe in IQ as an accurate measure of intelligence how could you tell?

>>24296 Sounds identical to the "gender is a social construct" argument lol

>>24319 Gender has a biological basis though. Sex also has a biological basis. Interference with either of these concepts is where the "construction" arises. >>24307 Injecting words into other people's mouths isn't an efficient way to prove them wrong.

>>24296 >I don't think there's such a thing as rape. We're animals, and animals don't have a concept of consent. Animals also eat their poop, that's not an argument. >It's all socially constructed. Really, all women want is to successfully reproduce with good stock. So long as you're hot, it isn't sexual harassment/assault. You're missing an important thing here - women care less about than how "hot" you are, but care more about how well do you look after children, provide food and protection. Rape is not a social construct, but a survival strategy of the genes that determine the behavior.

>>24342 >women care less about than how "hot" you are, but care more about how well do you look after children, provide food and protection Tell that to the plethora of chicks that fell for Ted Bundy or that "hot felon" guy that's now a rich model because his mugshot made women cream their panties. I'm not even saying you're wrong, but evolution hasn't really caught up to modern reality. If you're a fat autistic neckbeard with a six figure job at Google, women aren't going to fall for you, despite your clear ability to provide food and provide for children. You sure can get a gold-digger that'll have a child with the gardener and tell you it's yours though. Their instincts still run on stone-age definitions of providing for the family, which mostly means being a good hunter, aka physically hot, or really, really rich aka Weinstein, where it only became rape after it was more advantageous for the women in question.

>>24457 >plethora of chicks i.e. the few posting on twitter calling them attractive, god your mind is so warped by propaganda. Did you read all these tweets yourself? Did you write a script to count them all? No you just have a vague 'feeling' that women only care about attractive men since you have had so little female interaction in your life you have no idea how they function or perceive males. Just because you call someone hot on twitter doesn't mean you consent to anything it is not a contract "one sex for you mr. bundy if you ever come out of your grave", you moron. If you ever had the pleasure of having female friends, or perhaps even a girlfriend, not even that, if you were even a socially funcationable human you would understand attraction and sex are far more complicated than the simplified 'me cave man, women want sex coz I hunt good'. I'll be sure to fuarrrk you in the ass, and once you claim it was rape, I will simply assert that it wasn't at the time, you manipulative slut.

>>24465 a) I'm not even the guy that said attractive people can't rape, though it's certainly harder for them to not get consent. b) I have had and do have female friends. And there's plenty of apologism for attractive men coming from them. For example, I had a friend stick with a guy after he'd broken her finger because she had talked with a different man (not flirting, just talking). He looked like an underwear model though. Note that I didn't claim men were different in that regard, attractive women can hardly do wrong in men's eyes. Hell, I've personally hit on a woman before, five seconds after she regaled me with the fun story about the time she stabbed a man and robbed him.

>>24466 To any normal sober person, talking to someone who stabbed someone would be the biggest turn off imaginable. Especially if the stabber is male. With women this violence is taken less seriously because of how our society views women. Yeah you may be young and horny, but this isn't normal everyday behaviour that can be extrapolated to fit a trend of every human on Earth. It's not a surprise that humans like sex, especially with people that arouse them, however your original post is retarded rape apologism and appeal to nature fallacies. How do you know Weinstein didn't rape anyone? It would have been very easy for him to, he had the power, the ability to make and break careers. How do you know your friend wouldn't have stuck with that guy if he was less attractive? People get stuck in relationships for all sorts of reasons, if he broke her finger it wouldn't be a stretch to say he's emotionally abusive also. Regardless of what your intents are, your posts allude to silly reductionism that just feeds into incel 'every woman wants to be raped they just want money and blah blah bad boys' memes.

>>24053 Not into bestiality myself as it disgust me but Lainon is right. I meet a girl some years ago and when she was absent, the curious me turn on "show hidden files" on her windows XP laptop. This girl probably masturbates watching videos of girls getting fuarrrked by dogos. I could assure you, dogs really consent! Concerning rape, could "sexsomnia" considered rape? I don't think cause the girls finally wake up and it was very bestial. I loved the "sexsomnia" sex. But know I'm older and my hormones are less powerful.