QAnon

Surely people are not dumb enough to fall for an "anonymous" poster who claims to have "top government secrets". There has to be a bigger reason as to why this "Q" thing is popular, I refuse to believe that people would fall for this, why is Q popular and what is the philosophy behind this movement.

Mental degeneration is the unifying factor.

I ran into this thing over on endchan, they have an entire Q board. It really seems to be that simple, the people into the whole Q thing are just really, really dumb and gullible. From the language they use to their style of posting to the politics they promote, I get the impression that it's a bunch of morons in their 40's and 50's and dumb fuarrrking young kids that discovered image boards years after the initial invasion of retards that swamped the chans and destroyed everything.

I'm not sure, funnily enough I've only heard about this "QAnon" thing a year ago because I don't browse 4ch/8ch. From what I've seen it reeks of total bs. It reminds me of a very watered down version of Cicada 3001 with no puzzles. Any fool is able to use a tripcode on an imageboard and write cryptic messages. I wasn't even aware until recently that it's somewhat a big deal in the US. I'm not sure who's more funnier, the people who do "Q research" or those with theories such as "Donald Trump is actually Q". In any case I suggest paying no mind to this, it's just a waste of time.

I remember someone saying that, along with flat earth stuff, people are very resistant to change their views about stuff like this because to them it shows they can outsmart "the system". If they're able to outsmart NASA and figure out that the world is flat, then they can figure out anything. Almost like the inform from the matrix. Why people start to believe in it in the first place? Probably a mix of a misguided attempt to understand the discrepancies in the world like how a handful of people own a majority of the wealth and, unfortunately like you say, some people are just dumb.

>>22161 The fact their tripcode is unsecured (and if I recall, cracked now) really should have nipped the whole thing in the bud. I have no idea why people were inclined to believe it, especially when 4chan posters are usually sceptical of anyone professing to be or know most things. Although I think at this point most people that think it has any merit have never used an imageboard.

I can only think of two possible situations, both of which honestly feel bunk as hell but I just can't think of any other way to see it. First theory: it was designed from the get-go to draw in old farts to the chans, overpowering their existing userbase... which is pointless, because imageboards already have their fair share of morons. How much of a difference would flooding them with older ones make? Second: it's another flat earth, another moon landing denial, anti-vax, whatever. In other words, a group of dumbasses getting their ranks swelled by undue media attention, on purpose. That purpose being to have another label they can associate you with if you're critical of the establishment. As a bonus, all the self-proclaimed philsophers and skeptics and rationalists and all that have more low-hanging fruit to debunk for the 300th time, fueling their superiority complex and influence. All in all, I feel like it's an attempt to undermine something. I just don't know what.

>>22165 I didn't know that his trip got cracked. After a bit of research it seems that his password was "Matlock". It's both hilarious and sad to see people flocking to this charlatan.

I've only read about this idiocy secondhand, but it seems to be some fool making posts to trick fools. I lack the screenshot, but there's one post made where he imitates a computer boot sequence. Only someone with deep ignorance would take this as anything significant. Someone described it as old people wanting to feel like they're still on top of recent trends. Perhaps there's some truth in this.

Reply All did a podcast about QAnon https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/n8homa, it's a pretty interesting listen

>taking a Death Note meme this seriously

Dog-whistles politicians have in troves. Whether any prove-able affiliation with deep 4chan or 8chan culture exists, we all know 4chan thrives on creating deep thoroughly ironic dog-whistles to signal irl someone's depth "in-the-know". Trump at the very least intentionally blew the Pepe dog-whistle which we all know. QAnon's very name has an obvious at the outset but very obfuscated-by-the-nature-of-the-message dog-whistle which even if unsaid has probably occurred to the majority of U.S. citizens who have have tried sincerely even for a moment to intuit what the name might supposedly mean: the Q from Star Trek. Even OP's thumbnail dog-whistles Death Note fans, as the anon above me cynically referred to. I appreciate anon's cynicism. Internet culture forming a diaspora, qualifies as the most awesome and dangerous experiment of human history, completely unthinkable except in a nuclear era where numerous small handfuls of very socially abstract people could independently destroy the world (M.A.D.). Only soon after a major post-modern art era to warn us not to trust in any way fully even the most socially abstract among us. Ghost in the Shell's Stand Alone Complex is real. We have created it.

>>22285 I haven't watched Ghost in the Shell yet but what exactly is the standalone complex?

>I haven't watched Ghost in the Shell yet but what exactly is the standalone complex? an entity only observe-able by the appearance of organized effort where not only no connection between participants exist, but... through anonymity and surveillance applied in conjuction, demonstrably no personal connection exists between the participants exist trivially and unwittingly a nation, defined as a community except where the community involves no interpersonal relationships whatsoever

except trivially and unwittingly*

I don't believe Q ever existed seeing the "his predictions" which are nothing but vague schizophrenic postings that could be interpreted however you can and want. Hell, most of the predictions don't even fall in scope of anything that happened in the timeframe he mentioned so the cult of Q just says "he works in the shadows, you don't know". It isn't about his being three letter agency top level smarty pants. Even IF that guy did exist, and even IF that guy posted on imageboards, lmao right? Even if, he wouldn't post soykaf on here about himself. Q anon is just "let's conjure existence of something that isn't real". It is meditation on thoughtforms and ideas which will become real with little bit of social and political massage. They can work that thoughtform into this current societal worldview to be honest. In my honest opinion, the closer the thoughtform is to real world the easier it will stick. So that's that. People trying to make world as they want to see it fit. Not through their actions, just their words. Making up stories so others that believe them become so invested in them that they create reality that suits those stories.

>>22164 I have never read it but there is a book about people in a cult who continued to believe in it after the leader's predictions about an impending end of world failed to materialize and became even more rabid than before, which Leon Festinger explained with his theory of cognitive dissonance. The Qanon phenomenon seems exactly like the same thing on an online scale.

> schizophrenic what is a schizo? is that like an egregore?

>>22307 Oh come on, don't tell me you don't have any hobbies other than this? I am a bit saddened by that fact, to see someone toil away. Someone like you? Nah, you're vain enough. I don't need to feed it.

>>22308 the tulpa community isn't ready for normal people no matter how much they want to believe they are

schizophrenia is still common legal tongue its historically equivalent if not more extremely harmful than then the N word

no vanity intended i don't even identify as one of them

>>22309 Even though they might not use the terminology or are even aware of what they're doing, they're still doing it. This is just another step in the evolution. Neither of us can stop it, just guide it. They will come over little by little on their own anyways. My intentions are pure, no need for fear. If however whatever I said doesn't apply to you then at least I suggest you put your house in order brother, for your own sake. >>22310 3/10 to be honest

>>22312 Glad to hear that. I can sleep easier tonight, thank you.

Goat-skinned couriers generally hold aim for the great object: history. Mi estas esperanto.

confirmation bias, qworld is better than believing the alternative then the president is lying. Also fox, and other big wigs in the republican party promote it for personal gain

>>22176 >but there's one post made where he imitates a computer boot sequence That's hilarious do you or does anyone else happen to know the entirety of that post?

It's fun thinking you know things nobody else does. A core component of imageboards actually.

>>22361 Even if that thing is fake and stupid? my god ... imageboards really are full of autistic people

>>22363 >im doing important stuff on imageboards youre funny

>>22361 It's fun, instead of watching alex jones being crazy on tv, you're the person drawing the lines on the board. it's a ARG for crazy, without the challenges.

>>22365 Pffd thats like saying that you take anything in your life seriously, including your life.

>>22285 >we all >U.S. citizens >most awesome and dangerous Oh my god... 8Anon is Bernie Sanders

>>22726 Does Bernie know about Death Note?

>>22760 >yfw Bernie watched SEL and found Lainchan while browsing /g/

>>22287 >an entity only observe-able by the appearance of organized effort where not only no connection between participants exist http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=67 ESR tough to call that a prospiracy. (Sadly i did not find a word with an unique definition) Basically like a bunch of people deciding to do something in accordance to their values for no other reason. This is not to be confused with the wishful thinking club that is Q, where active communication and coordination exists and is the main point of the thing. Q is a conspiracy and ridiculously public so.

>>22761 >why do all these people have 0days and these people none.

It's juts old consertaviiives

Wanting to be 'in. Wanting to be knowledgeable and know all. Nothing is 'really' provable, therefore anything is believable. Dumbasses don't realize that, small fuarrrking beings that we are, all we can do is work with what we have and hope that that gets us through life, and helps others get through theirs. I used to think pic related was obvious if edgy but naive soykaf I was to think cults don't exist in all eras and even worse was thinking they aren't harmless.

I was using a neat Twitter interface I've learned about recently and came across this, so I thought I'd share it. The trend of using websites to make other websites usable is continuing. Anyway, this is some amusing Q stuff I saw an artist mocking. Not blindly believing anything touches me deeply, because this is something I tell myself, and it's uncomfortable to see this woman believing she does this when she clearly doesn't. It's enough to make you wonder of yourself. https://nitter.net/Inawon2/status/1241383286989033473 https://nitter.net/Inawon2/status/1241469674661064710 >>22287 >an entity only observe-able by the appearance of organized effort where not only no connection between participants exist, but... >through anonymity and surveillance applied in conjuction, demonstrably no personal connection exists between the participants exist trivially and unwittingly >>22838 >Basically like a bunch of people deciding to do something in accordance to their values for no other reason. What a neat idea. With the heavy surveillance and group infiltration, that's about the only kind of activity that could persist. What a neat idea, following your ideas, your egregore, in this fashion.

>>23333 We have a surge of people "Making their own opinions" here lately. >and it's uncomfortable to see this woman believing she does this when she clearly doesn't Not really, she's clearly following her words here. It just happens that never blindly believing anything is soykaf advice and all you're left with is with making up crap.

>>23346 >never blindly believe anything >trusts random internet conspiracy >clearly follows the advice spot the mistake If you actually followed the advice you simply wouldnt bother and give zero fuarrrks instead of ending up like those people spending all their time trying to chase the white rabbit.

>>23359 She's not trusting a random internet conspiracy, she's making up her own soykaf following "breadcrumbs" If you actually followed the advice you would become a drone, life without beliefs is meaningless.

>>23371 The image literally has her say im trusting Q. The definition of a drone is following someone elses orders without question. This requires believing in them. And life is meaningless. You make up some value. Either you do it for yourself or you let others do it for you to fill the void.

Conspiracy theories give people a sense of power as being part of an elite group whose insights place them above the masses. There's also something psychologically & emotionally satisfying about seeing a conscious agent at the bottom of world events instead of simple chaos and randomness - even, or especially, when that agent is malevolent.

This was horrifying in its own way. A friend of my father stopped by to talk recently. I didn't learn until later in the day that he told my father that this virus hysteria is really just a coverup so the United States government can play world police and arrest those satanic pedophile rings, as run by people like Tom Hanks and also to arrest people like Justin Trudeau and the Saudi Arabian royal families. I listened to one of my family members read this off while the others were getting excited hearing about this, I mean excited enough to dance in place and thank their god. I was the only one who knew that Q is just some guy on imageboards spreading lies. Afterwards, I tried to explain this to them, and they changed their tone about how they didn't really believe it, but would like it to be true. My father became more upset than the rest, because I was contradicting him and just didn't get it like he did. Even after I explained this was just someone on the same kinds of forum I use screwing around, I still don't think my father believes me. Isn't that horrifying?

>>24115 Horrifying in the sense that some guy on an imageboard was able to dupe your family into believing his crazy idea? or horrifying that such man has the power to do so.

>>24151 It was horrifying in the former sense, in that I was the only one who knew the truth. I suppose it's like finding out you're in a room full of cult members, except I wasn't fearing for my life.

>>24151 > horrifying that such man has the power to do so I have only one question: Is it possible to learn this power?

Didn't this Q stuff predict that Seattle was going to get nuked late last year? Whatever happened to that? I remember a whole bunch of people talking about how it was totally gonna happen and then when it didn't (of fuarrrking course) they all went silent.

When I first came across the QAnon board on 8chan I originally thought it was board full of bots or bot generated content. To be honest, my initial reaction is still my conviction. It is just generated gobbledigook word salad which will eventual generate a story that will grab people's attention and/or will eventually get something right. It captures paranoid right-wing people's attention and gives them more to talk about and to dominate political discourse with more nonsense. It works and it is totally genius.

>>24159 It was originally November 3rd, but they switched it to March 11th, involving the coronavirus in Seattle. lol

>>24221 I guess I wasn't trusting the plan hard enough v.v

There was literally an old thread on the 4chan paranormal board that was an ARG LARP almost exactly like Q. They regularly did ARGs with Q-like subject matter and intrigue. It SO obviously evolved from that. I can't believe people on that site took it seriously, and they probably didn't at first--they probably sowed some chaos for laughs, then dummies and noobs took it seriously, it brought more traffic to the site (including a bunch of old farts from facebook). It's so clearly a classic 4chan prank. Image puzzles and ciphers and pareidolia clues--all of it. People who take Q seriously have worms for brains. Fuсking hilarious to be honest.

>>22154 it's a good thermometer of internet retardedness it's pathetic

>>24224 lol, fun times when the Internet was Serious Business. Now the internet actually is serious business and it's such a drag. Just have to roll with it I guess.

>Hi I'm an anonymus postar you don't know who I am nor if I'm legit but I have top secrets soykaf to tell you. BELIEVE ME BELIEVE ME BELIEVE ME. The sadness in life is not that people do dumb soykafs but that there are alwas dumber people to acclaim it.

>>25197 I wouldn't call it Internet retardedness as such. The people believing this mostly aren't Internet natives, they're old, confused facebookposters. Q is just more noticeable than their standard antics because they happen to have wandered off their containment sites in a fit of dementia. It's more the stupidity of foreign invaders that can't cope with the giant influx of data the net provides. Not much different from the early European explorers in the heart of Africa dying of every disease imaginable because they hadn't figured out how to work the environment there.

The internet is the new battlefield, anything is possible. http://stateofthenation.co/?p=11233 Heres an interesting video about why youtube and vimeo derezzed disussion about 5g linking to corona. Theres a lot crazier stuff going on than weird messages on 4chan. I havent really watched any of this qanon stuff myself so i cant say anything about it, but dont dismiss soykaf cuz its too damn weird.

>>25227 >It's more the stupidity of foreign invaders that can't cope with the giant influx of data the net provides. And you think that anyone can cope with it effectively? What about tomorrow when there's more data? The next day? The next year? The next decade? This is getting to a point where you can't just sit around laughing at the victims, because you're next, and there's little you can do about it. I've considered getting into prepping before, but I didn't think the disaster I would be fleeing would be the unstoppable rising tide of ignorance and foolishness, that the ability to discern truth would be the first thing to go. I guess I'll just have to go somewhere where "there are no telephone lines and it isn't covered by a satellite." It would have to be somewhere like that, because if it weren't, I would keep jacking in, addict that I am, until the proliferation of falsehoods and the development of new, more insidious memes advanced to the point where my mind would be compromised. I'm scared, lains, well and thoroughly scared. >can't stop jacking off to the supersmut >can't stop jacking in to the fever dream Behold the modern man. The old idea was that those who didn't believe in God were ignoring what their eyes and intuitions were telling them (see Romans 1:18-23, among other religious texts). For me, though, in this age, God's existence seems doubtful, and yet my instincts are screaming that there is a devil, an insubstantial and yet powerful trickster working to deceive, torment, and ultimately destroy us...and he has many children who do his work. >>24154 >Is it possible to learn this power? Yes, but just as it was with the dark magicians of lore, those who wield it only contribute to the downfall of all that is beautiful, wonderful, and ennobling to the human spirit. The demons will give matches to any children who wish to play with fire, as they hope that they will burn themselves and others (pic related). Anyway, I know I got a little "poetic" in this post, but I legitimately don't know which parts of this I mean as metaphors and which I mean literally. I'm not sure it matters. We're just as fuarrrked either way.

>>25232 >The demons will give matches to any children who wish to play with fire Actually, hell, they're giving them gasoline to go with the matches these days

>>22154 I think some people just can't accept that soykafty things happen and corruption is all over the place without there being some kind of mastermind behind it.

>>25227 >but they are not TRVE internetians like me! yeah, we all know about the old internet, the true internet, web 1.0, eternal september and how the grass used to be greener when every single site wasn't a bloatted soykafstorm of cookies pop-ups But you should already admit that facebook-users are already an integral force of the internet

>>25237 I'm not talking about Internet 1.0 and dialing into a BBS here, it's a difference in usage patterns. The foreign invaders stick to one or two sites that they never really leave - Facebook, Youtube, Netflix, Amazon and their ilk - their reservations/prisons, or, if you want to go with the Umman Manda analogy, their walled cities. Meanwhile, the natives roam the plains of the Internet freely, using dozens of ever-shifting sites at their will. They know the Internet as a dear friend, rather than as a scary place you tell ghost stories about. And it's pretty obvious to which of these groups the Q believers belong to. They are not from here.

>>25238 You are not wrong Any other day I would tell you to stop thinking of the internet as your home, but it's not like I can tell you to go outside and have social life So let's rot here together I guess, my brother

i think these conspiracy phenomena claim really ridiculous and easily disproven things in part of course because of the old no bad publicity thing but i think more so because if you consider it cult phenomena you have to remember that cults thrive off of alienation and if your claims are extremely ridiculous that means they will attract ridicule and this will feed into the alienation where it seems like the world is against you and nobody but other cult ingroups can be trusted

>>25305 to add: while one might think that saying stupid things would lose you credibility when operating at a point where you have no credibility to lose it can actually strenghten you because of the predictable hostile response will feed into the paranoid delusion of there being an organized effort to discredit you for example since this particular conspiracy tries to frame the POTUS as a lone ranger being under assault by an evil cabal ill explain how it applies to trump... trump says random not well thought out things every day, there isnt a soul on this planet whos gonna read the latest thing trump has said and will think to themselves that this changes their opinion of him, we know the jig by now he has no credibility he doesnt need credibility, but every day he says something thats easy to pick apart and so everyone does it hes being assaulted on every media outlet out there except the ones that support him and so all his supporters will be more alienated from every media that does not support him and thus strenghtening their bond to his media

I've recently become aware of this: https://nitter.net/BrandiWine1128/status/1252434670915969026 https://nitter.net/BrandiWine1128/status/1252632155190149120 I'm vaguely aware of the odd behaviour of 4chan /tv/, but it's funny to see these people reading so deeply into something that isn't there. All that happened is 4chan /tv/ managed to affect Google's algorithms and now they think 4pleb is something it's not. >4pblebs sounds like a shorten version of 4 pedo celebs These people are so stupid. They think they always have the answer, so they immediately look for some way to understand things at their most base level. I like to mock these people: They think there's no such thing as coincidence, unless it involves Israel.

>>25345 interesting, I didn't even know that was a thing. If they are so worried they could contact the 4pleb admins to delete the images or even better yet 4pleb to take its results from google images. But I think its fun for people to look deep into something even when theres nothing deep going on, it's like a mystery like whenever /x/ always have one of those "creepy youtube videos"

>>25305 Yep. The whole Big Lie concept. The more audacious the fiction, the more it will shore up belief among the already convinced. And it will even catch some non-believers, since they sometimes thing nobody could ever be so audacious or silly to lie in such an obvious way. Contrary to the belief of many, humans aren't rational creatures. We run on instinct just like any other creature. Even you and me. Especially people who think they are very logical and intelligent. Cults catch smart people all the time. Being clever or observant is not a reliable vaccine.

>>25237 Facebook users are definitely an integral force of the internet now, along with other horrible megacorp surveillance sites and thinly-veiled psyops. Which is good enough reason to dismantle it all, as far as I'm concerned.

>>22358

>>22154 They must be aware that it's bullshit. Like flat-earthers, they want the aesthetic of being in on some massive government conspiracy, but they're hedging their bets by picking the most stupid and obviously fake ones so they don't actually inadvertently become public enemy no.1 when/if it turns out to be real and something the man wants to keep hushed. Like Snowden revealed so much about how the world's governments operate outside of their own laws and apparent values, but instead of reacting to that, these people are chasing after theories about chemtrails and soykaf instead.

The guiding philosophy behind QAnon is schizophrenia

>>26733 This is the population that would do crazy soykaf to an actual threat. Lucky for the system, they tend to be manipulable.

>>26733 60s tech cloud seeding, its rather simple: water condensates around dirt, so to make it rain sooner you just distribute dirt in the air with a plane. It pretty much fits the description perfectly- "plane spreads some crap in air", just the purpose is make it rain instead of brainwash people. This is also still in heavy use, saw somewhere 2015 news of even a conflict over one US state causing a drought for another with this. If i were to put the tinfoil hat on i would say chemtrail was made up to distract from the real story "we are taking all your water" which is seriously concerning.

There's a massive sunk-cost element. Sometimes I see a friend being taken for a ride, but I have to word my observations very carefully, because my friend will feel embarrassed about being taken for a ride and not noticing it before I pointed it out. The friend will express this embarrassment as anger, and then double down. "Enjoy them blue pills you mong. I'm not going to spoon feed you. Do your own research." Very difficult. Considering seeking licensed professional friend specializing in cult-deprogramming.

>>28744 Why care about outbursts? As long as it works all is well. Going mentally afk while he vents beats wasting effort putting it softly. At least thats how im running things with success so far.

The "QDrops" that "Q" or at least the person or persons pretending to be this "Q" Supposedly gives to his fan boys on 8Chan or whatever are intentionally vague to the degree that your "Thinking mind" can basically rationalise it as almost anything or take it to have any secret meaning. Your "Proving mind" then proceeds to take any piece of evidence either real or just perceived to an illogical extent in order to prove the adherents own belief Realistically the reason why "Qanon exists" is because after Donald Trump got elected and just started 'Acting like any other politician' instead of immediately executing Hillary Clinton for the four operators that died in Benghazi or her email scandal, Or building the wall, Or deporting all illegal immigrants, Or rebuilding the American industry and infrastructure sector and so on and so on etc etc. His fans became obviously very upset at this but because they felt duped but because its very hard to admit they had been duped they grabbed onto this Qanon soykaf like a fuarrrking life raft because it perfectly rationalises things along the lines of "Donald Trump IS trying to do all the things he promised but this completely Nebulous 'Other' is preventing him from doing it" Along with the promise that eventual triumph will occur

Is he truly anonymous if we know it's just Ron

i see dorsey is starting to eliminate qanon horseshit from twitter. nice work, jack. :)

Wait for september, look for the truth...

>>29505 Did mods serious add this garbage as an alias? How about we add Alex Jones and Barack Obama as aliases, too? I really don't think some douchebag LARPing as a spook deserves any recognition as a prominent character in cyberpunk culture. It's a fuarrrking meme. My opinion is probably trash though, so whatever.

>>29510 You can pick your own alias.

>>29512 really?

>>29514 yes

Thus proving that my opinion was indeed uninformed garbage.

I've just finished this interesting article concerning QAnon, written by someone supposedly involved in creating so-called Augmented-Reality Games: https://mssv.net/2020/08/02/what-args-can-teach-us-about-qanon I had no knowledge games like these even existed, all to do things like promote television shows. Still, the resemblence between games and QAnon is interesting, and I found it a valuable read.

>>30075 I remember seeing some of the first Q-style ARGs on 4chan's /x/ board long before 2016, as I think I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Some as far back as 2010. It's unmistakably one of theirs. It's really fascinating and insane how far it spun out of control lmao. People are maniacs.

Q right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_arithmetic

>>30075 The bigger ARGs are often done as promotional materials but theres a solid community of people that create and play ARGs made by normal people with varying levels of effort put into them. The non-corporate ones vary from being by performance artists like Wham City Comedy that enjoy that specific form of audience interaction to people that just want to stretch their writing and puzzle chops. Its an absolutely fascinating subculture to observe and from what I can see the inherent social nature of co-ordinating to figure it out builds some really strong communities.

The chan now seems to be a honeypot since forever and they literally pressed "cyber libel" charges against a crippled guy (former chan owner) by calling its current owner some names which forced the poor guy to flee to US. First post predicting some politician arrest that never happened and the cultists just ignore it, the movement is big but it's never going to reveal the real rabbit hole which is /x/ but here's some 5d bullshit diagram with spiritual soykaf word salad. The posters seems to be insiders and connected to some letter agencies and really fo have some sort of clearance and claim to be a splinter cell / good guys, they even posted intel about Epstein letting worker phones in his island but the fun part is they had zero intel about the virus even with all their datamining and hacking prowess. Tl;dr, it's just psychological warfare and would probably end by november when a [former] moderator leaked chat logs.

>>29505 No comms outside xxx

https://anonfiles.com/H8P722d5bf/f0b3ccef-1569002028/Q%27s+posts+-+CBTS+-+5.14.0.pdf Out of curiosity...

> I refuse to believe that people would fall for this, Homeopathy is a thing, believing in reptilians is a thing, etc etc... I think you give people too much credit, I like humanity but a lot (if not most) of us are just batshit insane and overconfident. I mean Trump is literally potus nad these people actually believe he will save him from what seems to be angry transexuals?

>>22286 There's a bit more nuance involved in the concept, but at its core it's another term for stochastic terrorism and other stochastic political action: it isn't a centrally-organized plan or group, and indeed it's not even a carefully disconnected network of splinter cells either. It's a purely chaotic political extremist movement built by sowing the raw ideas and fragments of ideology into the public domain and relying on totally unknown, uncontacted and alienated individuals to put it together and activate of their own volition. Kind of like the Turner Diaries found their way to Timothy McVeigh. And many others who randomly carried out ideological attacks and furthered a larger movement without ever actually making contact with leaders through any other sort of peripheral organization or communication chain. The actors stand alone, yet they are still actors on the same stage. The ideology is copied faithfully enough even though the individual in question has no access to the original data or network. Think of it as a procedurally-generated ideology. They don't need to receive a binary blob of instructions, it just pops into their heads by itself. Like an intrusive thought. Of course it's also totally indistinct from "an idea whose time has come." Is it a separate phenomenon with different morals and connotations, or is this simply a subjective way that we view the same phenomenon when it doesn't align with our own interests? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stochastic_terrorism

>>31200 People will fall for anything and everything. And before any of us get too smug... it's not just dumb people. It's 100% of us. The best among us. Every last one of you and me have fallen for some load of crap at some point. It might still be wired up right at the core of your (or my) belief system, even. Cultists still scoff at members of other cults. They can't see the irony.

>>31204 >>31200 At least angry transexuals exist. You have an entire generation who grew up believing that if you "work hard" and "bee yourself" you will be able to achieve anything you put your mind to, no matter your social status or connections. Can you believe that?

>>31202 After reading this.. It actually reminds me of many of the popular religions today. * provide people answers to ultimate questions * give people support and community against the now known unknowable * be the direct connection to the source of the information * through peer pressure encourage the user to ignore their senses and live in a fantasy created by the pusher why would someone do this? Same reason the religions do it. Ultimate control over a masses reality. If you can convince people to not trust their experience, what they see, hear, feel, etc but that they can trust you.. Then you can convince them of anything. I think this is why churches have had so much sway over the state through history. I think people have been using this weird disinformation kinda thing for a while(religion). But maybe religions are not standing the test of time because technology... So maybe Q is a remix?

>>31224 I'm not sure how much I agree with that assessment, but it is interesting to think about, especially if you believe that it's a deliberate created phenomenon for the sake of control. As it is right now, Q has limited appeal as a tool for mass perception control (too many bunk predictions, speaks mostly to people of a specific political leaning, mostly associated with lunatics). Maybe whoever engineered was aware of these limitations but these were acceptable issues for a prototype. They would test this on a specific subset of highly suggestible people. Once it spreads among them it would be easy to dismantle as yet another conspiracy theory. You take what you learn from its spread, and then leave it die.

>>31224 I don't know if it's really about control. It's more about having a place to belong. Even the cult leaders only want this, deep down. Of course there's exceptions. If Q is a big CIA psyop, obviously it's all about control. But most religions? I think they come from real human fears of isolation and need for community. Eventually they get leveraged for other things. But I'm not sure that I buy that most religions were created for the sake of control right off the bat.

I think Q is in fact related to the Trump administration somehow, and is trying to brainwash people into the doomsday cult that seems to be building around Trump. It's scary soykaf to be honest.

>>31245 >I don't know if it's really about control. It's more about having a place to belong. Even the cult leaders only want this, deep down. Maybe thats how it starts. But if you get big enough the leader of your country starts commending your efforts. After this all sorts of corruption is possible, you can pretty much start your own sketchy marketing company with enthusiastic followers.

Just tested positive for covid and my Q-tard friend thinks I'm faking it because covid is a "liberal hoax"... Now I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but a lot of theories and ideas as of lately just completely dismiss common sense

>>31337 This kind of sentiment just kills the credibility of people who are hyper-virus focused lately. Like we notice this. We understand you're not compassionate; you don't care about saving lives. You're looking out for yourself, and since you have some arrangement of employment and housing you aren't affected by recent policies and thus you can ride it out and focus only on personal biosecurity. Do you mean who literally deny it exists at all? Because I've encountered very few of those. And only super crazy online types who are probably just obsessed with a pet agenda. But I've had and recovered from it, but what I get static for is my opinion that it's not nearly as bad as it's made out to be. We've been here for half a year already, and I'm puzzled to see no new data or examination of these tactics. I've found the data--from reputable sources, cited pdfs of studies on jstor or the who/cdc/ecdc websites--and it shows ifr plummeting below the flu and even below the common cold. The expected herd immunity threshold is now half what we originally assumed, which was an important figure in justifying lockdown. The three small-group studies that were used to spread fear about chronic organ damage were flawed, un-reviewed preprints and two are retracted. The third was revised to state that the cardiovascular damage came from pre-existing risk factors, not the virus. But it's still being presented as this thing that ravages your body and changes you forever. In fact it does that less often than the common cold. That's the thing--there are serious edge cases for any infection. They're just extremely rare. There's data that our lockdowns haven't actually affected the spread much when other variables are controlled for. I get called a denialist for all of this, which is just a massive misrepresentation. I get called a conspiracy theorist or right wing, when in fact I'm very left wing and have a good bit of statistics and mathematics education. I think a lot of people have let their panic turn it into a political thing. People are breaking off into tribes and fighting one another for animalistic reasons. Kind of like your image shows. This has become an antisocial source of hatred in you, and the compassion for "saving lives" is just a convenient alibi. We didn't used to treat getting sick or spreading a seasonal respiratory infection as a moral issue. This is not the same as spreading an STD. I'm astounded that people have shifted over to this mindset without even acknowledging that it's totally different from before. We can't stop breathing. And while you might have the coddled life that allows you to never see other people and have no consequences besides boredom, most of us don't. We have to live our lives. And that means some people have to die sometimes. It's always been this way. You can't just unilaterally re-write the social contact because you're scared or you have some childish, simplistic view of ethics where any risk is too much. I wish you the best with your cold. The chances are extremely overwhelming that you'll recover just fine. And remember that there's no path that doesn't lead to endemic worldwide covid; even with a vaccine, this is with us forever just like the flu and other forms of the common cold. H1N1 still goes around every year, but it has just been lumped in with other flu strains. That's the destiny of covid too. You will all eventually give up and learn to overcome and live with it. And it will return over and over again and even if we all imprison ourselves for years, we will all eventually get it. The experts knew this even last December. The idea that we can eradicate it by changing our lives forever is a fantasy whipped up by unscientific people who thought that was science because they misunderstand the whole concept. Don't wallow in doom. We've overcome much worse before and we'll go back to normal just fine--IF we can conquer fear and moralizing panic.

I don't watch the news or TV in general but lately I'm noticing an interesting phenomenon where when I do happen to see a news report or a thing on TV I see things I also see on imageboards. I saw this Q thing today on someone's shirt in a TV report about covid deniers. This sounds really obvious and stupid but these used to be entirely different worlds especially considering that only a small percentage of the population uses social media. Something's wildly disproportionate.

>>31339 Yeah, everyone became online. Used to be these were fringe communities for weirdos. The internet was for nerds like it should be. Now, journalists are the most hyper-online people of all. They all obsessively doomscroll on Twitter day in and day out. They took the easy route and mistook that for being on the pulse of society; there's no more reality-based investigative journalism. The media is just a spectacle reporting on another, more deranged spectacle. Internet communities have devoured the world. Hence something like Q got legitimized. Do you think any of this would have happened if the old people had stayed offline?

>>31340 It's also election year, so the US masses have to be mobilized to fear/hate whoever. Sort of reminds of the days when Anon was dubbed by the media as a dangerous cyberterror cell by Fox or whoever and everyone had a laugh about it. I imagine dedicated Qtards are getting similar vibes except they're taking themselves seriously. Like they're proud to be some punching bag who'll be proven right Soon™. >>31338 >Do you mean who literally deny it exists at all? Because I've encountered very few of those. And only super crazy online types who are probably just obsessed with a pet agenda. Not him, but I've heard this from some people IRL. One was a salon worker, rather unsurprisingly. I've had some family acquaintances die from it at that point, but I wasn't really in the mood to have an argument with someone.

>>31338 Unfettered, near instantaneous travel has changed the game. In some sense, I think the actual facts of COVID-19 don't matter. Whatever fear left is the realization that in some abstract, modeled sense we're currently fuarrrked to a degree that we've never been before; that percolates downward. You posit that lockdowns, etc. are unsustainable; I can only think that unfettered movement and high-density populations are unsustainable. >We didn't used to treat getting sick or spreading a seasonal respiratory infection as a moral issue. Is that because it isn't a moral issue or because the living generations (more precisely, the western world) have never encountered a novel virus that a huge percentage was infected with and thus never thought about it? A significant portion of Asia wears masks when they're sick; there's obviously some moral component to that. I don't find this "we can't rewrite the social contract" argument very valid. The western world (the US specifically) bungled this extremely badly where the Asian nations succeeded. I think it's obvious the reasons they succeeded is because their perception of the social contract is significantly different than the western world.

>>31342 >their perception of the social contract is significantly different than the western world I think the American social contract is unique in that it doesn't really exist. It's more than just a rejection of social obligation but the idea that any collective good is actively harmful for the individual in increasingly abstract ways (i.e. masks being a "symbol of tyranny"). Or that the individual is in complete in control of their situation at all times, so indirect consequences are almost never considered (for example, excessively hoarding only for yourself, or blaming others for getting sick) The US has prided itself on the meme of "freedom" and the idea that one must always fight "tyranny", which are distillations of its mythologized revolution and independence. Gradually that meme decayed into "do whatever you want" and then into "do the opposite of what's recommended", setting up rote patterns of behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if some authority said "masks off now" and the deniers suddenly took to the streets in hazmat gear. Obviously this is US-specific, so the failings of other Western nations aren't necessarily dependent on these points.

>>31351 Unironically not necessary bad. If some always do the opposite there never will be a situation where all choose the wrong path. Hedging your bets looks very appealing once you stop believing in people knowing what they are doing.

>>31352 I think instinctual contrarianism, while occasionally right does come with the caveat that the choice is made thoughtlessly. It's different from an informed rebellion where there is a rationale to tackle. So sometimes the facts end up lining up with the contrarians, but their initial actions were made by people who technically don't know what they're doing. If they end up being justified then there's a set of facts they can retroactively apply to their choice. If they aren't justified, then they make up soykaf to have faith in, rejecting one brand of ignorance for another. In an interconnected environment, if enough people choose the "wrong" path then everyone in the system will be affected. This effect is stronger the more narrow a selection becomes. It's not like people making a different choice become magically immune to the consequences of others. Specially when one choice is so minimal and low-effort that negating it feels like a temper tantrum. Like a child who doesn't want to eat veggies.

I just finished reading this: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/26/1007611/how-qanon-is-targeting-evangelicals In brief, it's pastors complaining about how QAnon is leading their followers astray. It's hilarious to see this religious brand war unfold, and I don't really care which side of this idiocy wins. I'd forgotten about the adrenochrome harvesting. I've heard family members tell countless others about it. The article calls it anti-semitic, but I don't see why the cabal of people in power wouldn't be sacrificing guys to their god per the usual. I keep telling some family members all this does is take the heat off those I feel are truly responsible. It's easy to paint a target on Jews by pointing out their various misdeeds over millenia, and it's much easier for them to transform Jews into liberals, which allows anyone to shift around. These people calling for liberals to be killed for running pedophilia rings are the same people who have told me it should be illegal to criticize Israel, because Israel is a US ally. Anyway, I won't rant further. It's just funny to watch a religion founded entirely on faith have its leaders complain about people following a new religion without any evidence its claims hold truth.

>>31375 You should trust the plan more, guys.

it's just a psyop that gives people an excuse for conflict and violence. it's a call to rally and incite violence. what makes it work is that people here are on their breaking points and don't know what to do about it, so the excuse gives them something concrete to hold onto when they're not ready for the larger conversations going on. unfortunately its very much for the state that enslaves them and makes their circumstance of suffering possible. it's just like telling them any other race is here to take their jobs. americans slaughtered indigenous, blacks, chinese, and anyone coming from south of the border all on the same concept as what's going on now, bullshit. they just want, and due to conditioning, need, an excuse for violence. they're too psychologically broken to fight what needs to be fought, the first and only true aggressor though, the state. psyops work a lot like crash memes, it'll just sit in your short term memory until it's being processed for long-term storage. once it pops off the stack of your memory, it'll affect other things you perceive unless you actually take the time to process it and dismiss it, which most people are not taught to so they won't know how. once its in long-term storage, it works a lot like a signal that people can give to flush it out, and it'll fuel more conflict.

>The poster's username implied that they hold Q clearance, a United States Department of Energy security clearance required to access Top Secret information on nuclear weapons and materials I don't have anything more to say about QAnon, but this needs to be challenged. Everyone assumed that this username implied Department of Energy's Q clearance. But to me with a /sec/ mindset, it's more likely that it indicates the poster is an anonymous poster who's hiding one's identity by running QubesOS and using an "anon-whonix" VM template, thus, QAnon... I hope you like my joke...

>>26457 fuarrrk these people are so stupid. Like he's incapable of making a super secret satellite POST without a bunch of extra jibberish.

>>31391 >it's just a psyop that gives people an excuse for conflict and violence What specific instances of conflict or violence was caused?

>>31869 >Greetings fellow patriots, I am Windowman95 >we are in the endgame now >the vote WILL be protected >the towers are being erected >this rice is cold >the cat soykafs again >misinfo is necessary Or maybe. >Call me Nord, part of operation Valiant Patriot Nation. >Dem leaders have already been arrested. COVID is a cover story for military activities >blue skies tinged green >consider the spinning of the fan >citrus answers to POTUS >the toilet remains clogged >masks are the sign of the beast BTW, next models will be N666 >trust me brothers

>>31869 You mean it wasn't a James Bond reference?

Q's equating the democrat party with a reincarnation of the nazi party lol That doesn't explain why there's so many fellow whites in the democratic party, but hey, that's just me.

>why is Q popular for the same reason why scientology is popular.

>>31338 It annoys me that the people who moralize about covid do it because "the data/scientists say we should" but are unable to actually provide any evidence for that. If you do make a data-based argument why risks these days are very minimal, they won't hear it. If you ask them what epidemiological model they trust in and why they are unable to say. And then they have the audacity to say "I believe in science!" Really they're no different from Q tards. They repeat what their favorite news channel says without critically evaluating it. Reason is quickly becoming lost to the modern world. What matters now is ideology. This is very advantageous to the people who want to exploit it, and very disadvantageous to anyone who wants to survive the next ten years.

It seems their site was shut down, and apparently they were developing a social network for real patriots and so on https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/qanon-website-shuts-down-after-n-j-man-identified-as-operator?srnd=premium Funny how the next step was that secret club holy grail, sounds familiar.

>>32011 If this is true, this destroys the theory that Jim Watkins (8ch-owner) is the owner of Qmap.pub. This was one of the more popular "Q-is-a-LARP" theories going around. I also read in the article that this guy's address was doxxed. Whatever you think of the Q-movement, I think we're in agreement on the following: that you don't want your personal address known to the Internet, if you are the site-owner of the most popular "Q"-websites on the web. But seriously, are we still debating whether Q is a real US Military Operation? The whole General Flynn confirmation a few weeks ago, should make the most skeptic ones of you at least a little bit interested. The only thing we're trying to figure out now, is on whose site this operation is. >apparently they were developing a social network for real patriots and so on That would become another echo-chamber, just like almost all other Social Media websites have become. I really hate how normal people and their crypto-fascism control most of the surface world.

>>32026 >That would become another echo-chamber, just like almost all other Social Media websites have become. I think that's the point

>>32027 What's your point? I think it's only logical that people create their own social media websites, seeing as how mainstream websites are hypocrites and actively censor anything they don't like labeling it as 'fake news' or 'rightwing conspiracy theories' (p.e. investigations into child trafficking), while allowing real evil (p.e. pedosexuals) to communicate and share content freely. I'm not applauding this segregation of opinions, but I understand where it's coming from.

>>32026 Another theory that made the rounds was that multiple people picked up the mantle. Which is easy enough considering the nature of imageboards. >>32028 The point would be that another echo chamber would establish its own standards for "acceptable" news and opinions. So anybody who's sick of Twitter/FB/whatever might make a move only to find a userbase that's readying up its own witch hunt against anyone who questions their own party line. People waving the "real patriot" flag honestly haven't had a good track record of dismantling authoritarian power structures either, nor free from their own hypocrisies. It's understandable, but in the end just as stupid since anyone interested in "freedom" is going to be subject to a different set of byzantine rules. Social media was a mistake. Dropping out is the only sane answer.

>>32033

>>32028 Don't they already have gab and those other sites? I honestly don't see the point. It's like those lainchan/tsuki clones that appeared some time ago. They offered nothing new so promptly disappeared. Mainstream hypocrisy has always been a very weak excuse if these things are so popular on the mainstream sites (twitter, fb)

>>32033 >Another theory that made the rounds was that multiple people picked up the mantle. Which is easy enough considering the nature of imageboards. Its an unsecure tripcode so people know the password for it, its almost certain that other people have picked up the mantle and some of the changes in style of Q are probably because of it.

>>32076 the way tripcodes work (triple des) makes it easily bruteforceable, which is one of the things that boggles my mind about why people think 8chan would be the ideal place to post "leaks". I found someone from twitter who made a short script that can bruteforce it. I'll post it if I can find it.

>>32105 found the pastebin explaining it https://pastebin.com/P1g5RPWs

Anyone else feel like Q is the second comming of Jesus? > ...he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in his glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. ... We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Nov 2017, the world changed. Q emerged and started sharing the secrets of who runs our world. No one is free from judgement. He is saving us from ourselves. Q smashes the Bankers, Satanists, Paedos, Mega Churches, etc. > The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it. The bankers have put the USD money supply into hyperinflation. Trump is obviously trolling the bankers and getting them to play all their cards. Make sure to have plenty of goods stored up or buy buttcorns. Soon all government money will not be good in stores.

>>32110 $WOW

>>32105 >>32106 Would it matter if the 8ch-servers were hosted on the DoD-servers?

>>32118 Not really. The govt was already paying attention to those sites for obvious non-Q related reasons. If you wanted to leak something of this scale and didn't care about attention from officials then you might as well post it on social media sites where you'll reach a wider audience. Assuming that you thought leaking your super secret plan to topple the all-powerful Satanic Diddler Cabal to the public was a good idea in the first place.

>>32122 thinkiin the appeal to alot of people is that this is secret information that can only be talked where the people are most free which ofc is gonn gov ownd chans /s

>>32118 If U.S. intelligence didn't have an agent at the 8ch servers and organization, I would be extremely surprised. It was just too juicy an opportunity. Those agencies get around. In any political movement, there are always some feds lurking around spying and pulling at least some strings. Not to say it was some kind of total op from the ground up, but things like that have certainly happened as well. Learn your history about project Gladio, for example. That's kind of the archetype, but of course it could be vastly less in degree.

>>32125 Agreed, this phenomenon can't be underestimated. When a people are kept powerless and in the dark by structures of authority around them, many feel a libidinal pleasure from the idea of having secret, forbidden knowledge and thus delude themselves into thinking they do have power in the world through these secrets. Most of it is deeply emotional and a product of our psychic environment.

Stop using the site. It actually puts you in same line with the past 'terrorists' that had done shootings and its become a huge honeypot and a smear tactic against imageboards in general. Actually, using the site makes you a hot suspect and you know what they do to terrorist suspects, they can do all kinds of warrant-less investigations on people who don't have human rights even if you're just suspected. I bet those lightworkers are fuarrrked in there, journalists even sometimes post on that infamous hidden board and I'm sure they're also fuarrrked. Actually the whole same user sloppy job were enough reason to stop using it. Canary lost multiple times, "sunshine" which if you mention to the admins, you'd probably maybe get derezzed out of spite.

look up all the crazy soykaf that was happening around the 17th/18th centuries in Europe. There were weird cults destroying cities and inciting bloody civil wars all the time. This is really no different.

>>32783 Don't need to go that far into the past. South Korea's prime minister got caught being a cultist child and still listening to them in all questions regarding ruling the country just a few years ago. Had to step down after it got out. The whole story is even crazier going on how they wanted to establish their belief country wide through the prime minister but it's hard to tell where truth and fiction merge. What's factual is prime minister stepped down due to cult involvement. What I also found interesting in this story is news papers didn't report it much in west. Was all small articles.So what made them miss out willingly on a free easy clickbait story?

>>32792 *this story is news worthy but papers didn't report it much Somehow got words eaten.

>>32792 >So what made them miss out willingly on a free easy clickbait story? Got a little too close for comfort since the West has their own esoteric death cult doing scheming behind the scenes. Since the one controlling the major media outlets are either complicit or under control, they don't report on it for obvious reasons.

>>32792 I do a lot of research on the occult and such, i can tell you evil cults run a lot of the world today. When people think of cults they think of groups on small farms, not huge secret societies that have a majority of upper class people as members. Those people own most of the media, needless to say you never hear of such things and when you do its either to dismiss it or distract from it, like with all media. There is dark occult influence in the mainstream almost everywhere, most people dont realize where the imagery and ideas of many big organizations originate from. People think its all business as usual, they couldnt be less wrong, secret cults run the world and they do it well for themselfs, public ignorance is their greatest asset.

>>33372 The spooky oogie boogie cultists are in control of the world maaaaaaaaan. They use dem secret magicks to make the people dance like puppets. Look maaaaaaaaan, you're just an grade below clear, you don't get it man. You need to read the books maaaaaaaaaan, the deep lore of the Illuminati and the Masons, maaaaaaaaaan.

>>22154 It's just some larper. There's a lot of stupid people in the world, and they'll latch onto anything. >>22307 >>22320 >>22853 >>32253 >>33372 >>33386 LOL you guys are too much

>>33386 >>33388 They're not wrong. It's pretty obvious thst the guys who think the president is Jesus and believe a nonfat-soykaf drinker is his prophet are the US's most contemporary cult. It's really weird how religious they've gotten considering the original theory was relatively more grounded.

>>33386 There's some truth to it though. Who, if not, do you think pulls the strings in the world? Power certainly doesn't reside in the presidents or the lawmakers, presidents are ultimately accountable to those who put them in their position, who of course are the wealthy families of the world. The legal apparatus is a piece in the organization of society. Idk about "occultism" or the Ilerminaty, that is probably just a name that was arbitrarily chosen to point the finger at something.

>>33419 Maybe there are no strings. Maybe it's a system of power set up by and for the benefit of a certain class of people. People who own land and businesses. I feel like there's a word for them.

>>33419 There's a difference between saying it's the rich versus it's a cult since both terms imply different motivators and reasons. Religion and cults are widespread yet easily split into diverse denominations and practices. I doubt there's a unified cult that only the world elite (a materialistic and egocentric yet diverse group) follow. Honestly the real danger of soykaf like Q is how it gives the powerful ammo against critics. Since they can now associate those criticisms with a crowd of guillible flag-waving idiots.

>>33440 >I doubt there's a unified cult that only the world elite (a materialistic and egocentric yet diverse group) follow. Not to defend the idea of the cult (again I have no way to know nor do I think it matters much in the end) but it does seem like nowadays there are two "sekrit societies" struggling for power in the Murrica, causing a huge breach in society. >Honestly the real danger of soykaf like Q is how it gives the powerful ammo against critics. Since they can now associate those criticisms with a crowd of guillible flag-waving idiots. This is not really new. I've had people use on me the argument of the shape shifter reptilians from nibiru, through the psychological device that if I dismiss the argument for being weird I'm being close minded and I really have no way to know enough to negate the possibility of them being real.

>>33440 >Q is how it gives the powerful ammo against critics. Since they can now associate those criticisms with a crowd of guillible flag-waving idiots. Gee... it's almost like the powerful release retarded conspiracy nonsense into the public on purpose to give them the ability to paint all criticism with the same brush and write it off as paranoid screeching. Or something.

>>32008 >epidemiological do you actually use this word and do you actually expect people to know what it means?

>>33496 >Epidemiology >epidemi- Epidemic, disease >-ology the study of how diseases spread. The fact that you don't know what a word means, can't look it up, and cannot even infer from etymology, does jot meam the rest can't either. i'm even surprised you couldn't even infer from the morphemes

>>33596 >i'm even surprised you couldn't even infer from the morphemes Maybe you're being too hard on the guy. After all, it's not as if the science of epidemiology is frequently in the news or the subject of casual conversation these days, or anything like that.

>>33597 >be nice >not looking things up >>>>on the internet

>>33597 >it's not as if the science of epidemiology is frequently in the news or the subject of casual conversation these days But it is! I don't know if you've heard, but there's a pandemic going on right now, and everyone's affected.

>>33604 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. >>33597 >or the subject of casual conversation To be fair most corona-related discussions I've had IRL where pretty dry and euphemistic and not very technical.

>>22161 >"Donald Trump is actually Q" Yes, I think Donald Trump is Q, pic related.

I have yet to encounter the original posts. No journalists have reported on the actual posts. How can anyone judge without having experienced it? For all we know, anons had ideas shared in parallel consciousness. Obviously, the memes have a poetic tongue in cheek. Rather than asking the question "why do people sincerely believe x?" we should ask "what does x even mean?"

>>33606 >To be fair most corona-related discussions I've had IRL where pretty dry and euphemistic and not very technical. most people have literally no idea what they're talking about and make decisions either based on what their favorite news outlet says (which is almost entirely devoid of factual information) or their gut. People get mad if you do any serious risk analysis. My sister got mad at me because I quoted official numbers at her.

>>34076>>33606 >make decisions either based on what their favorite news outlet says Aka a random youtuber

Q anon never set right with me. Ive believe some conspiracies but not all. in this case i think q "anon" is a government subversion campaign to make image boards and right wing groups look bad. its dumb as fuarrrk and who knows what alphabet group is involved. must be some kind of psyop. but it needs to stop. its like the anonymous videos pretending to be anonymous but just trolling.

>>34358 >image boards >right wing groups Right on the money with the first. Second doesn't need any help making themselves look bad. Ask me, this goes back farther than Q. In early 2011, moot got rid of two boards, one full of racists and the other full of misogynists cbf to see if the latter is filtered. That drove the site quality up since instead of taking over the whole site, the boards' users fled to their own little soykafhole site and left 4chan alone. He then swore never to bring the two back, seeing as both have strayed far from their purpose... but then he reneged later that year and restored the two boards anyway. The suspicious part is that this was not long after progressivist grifters started pulling their scams. Grifters whose entire shticks were about claiming to be victimized by some group. To aid in these claims, though, they'd need to present something resembling proof, they'd need to build up a hatedom against them to use as a living boogeyman. 4chan was the perfect place for this. Not only was it already full of edgy kids, but it's anonymous: anyone can go on there and pretend to be whatever kind of person they want. So instead of spending time making Twitter/Youtube/etc sockpuppets (that could easily get outed) to fake hate against you, you could just do it on 4chan. Plus, its anonymity and lax moderation makes it piss-easy to astroturf. If there's enough posts claiming to be in support of some opinion, then users will start adopting it. Or see that one quote that people misattribute to Descartes, about how a community that pretends to be X will soon be surrounded by actual X. That effect can be exploited to alter a community's userbase. Wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say, then, that someone pressured moot into restoring those two boards to aid the grift. It's not like he himself wanted to be among racists and sexists again. He was growing up, he was getting tired of these people. So were his friends. And the people he got rid of made their own site, so it's not like they would have missed 4chan enough to put pressure on moot. Q and other nonsense came later, after the scammers laid the groundwork for how to cultivate an "evil" or "ridiculous" outgroup for one's own ends. Hell, you could say that nearly all the political bullshit plaguing imageboards is thanks to manipulation by con artists, the media, politicians, and feds. The online far-right would have been confined to forums like SF; they'd probably still be someone's boogeyman, but at least imageboards would have been left out of it.

Whelp, I've got at least one person at work who believes that soykaf, but I'm guessing there are two. I'm not even from the USA, I tried to be friendly and to get a bit more out of my shell, trying to make some friends, but this dude just won't shut up about it, it's either that or some esoteric bullshit about dragons and "cosmic energies". Of course covid has some link with 5G and vaccines. I can't really take it anymore, I'm a pretty open minded person I think but their are limits, this kind of soykaf is just a highway towards fascism. fuarrrk it, I prefer to be alone then to be around those people.

>4666 >worries about cosmic dragons lead to fascism kek, sounds you have your own issues

>>34358 >right wing groups Poor right wingers, can't even be racist without someone making fun of them now! If anything this is at least partially the fault of groups like SF, they have been actively manipulating opinions and faking consent on forums and imageboardsand especially 4chan, as it was just too easy. Combine that with soykafty education systems, a capitalistic system which drains the energy out of every living being and is incapable of resolving major existential issues and you get soykaf like this. Qanoners are the definition of useful idiots.

>>34364 I'm anticipating that this election and the derailing of The Plan™ will lead to a balancing act. The sheer despair/subsequent roasting seems like an assurance that 4chan isn't a political hugbox for anyone. Or at least it gets the tourists to leave other boards alone and behave. Some of them unironically think 2016-2020 4chan was the peak of imageboard culture. >>34666 Fascism's one of those meaningless words now, as much as liberal or democratic. Even then this cult is just incoherency. >cosmic energies I think the numerous failures on their part has thinned out the skeptics or casual believers and all you're left with is the lunatics. Like when the "red wave" failed to materialize or the arrests, all of these got people walking away (easy enough on an imageboard) and now all that remains is the 79 IQ crowd.