Would you move to Japan?

I've noticed on imageboards and tech oriented places that people always talk about moving to Japan or atleast visiting there ... why? what's so great about Japan that someone would live there? when I think of moving to Japan and I can't help but think of how hard it would be adjusting as a foreigner.

Mostly fetishism to be honest

Well imageboards are historically places that contain a lot of anime lovers. You grow up watching shows about cute anime girls in this place that looks really distinctive, you're going to have a positive view of it in your mind. As someone that's visited Japan the "great things" - Food. Healthy cheap and amazing quality - Public transport - Quite sexualised culture, maids and schoolgirl outfits all over the place with huge anime tiddies on billboards (I don't think this is good but something the fetishists would like) - The look of it. It really does look like no where else I've been to, (like all the electrical wires in the OP image), the dense green forests etc - Respect. Everyone is really polite and wants to do a really good job, the work culture is awful in general but I really love the integrity here

I wouldn't move there. Main reason is because I've read that they work you like a dog there, with so many hours that you don't even have time to do anything else besides go home. I already deal with that on a lesser scale where I live, last thing I want is to make that worse. Then there's the language itself. I've tried to learn it, and while the grammar isn't the worst thing in the world, kanji is hell. And here I thought English was a clusterfuck. At least we only have to learn a few dozen symbols and not a couple thousand. If they didn't have so few vowel sounds, they probably could have done like the Koreans and made a writing system that doesn't need Chinese characters.

Japan surely is a fascinating place, but so are many others in the world and people probably as degenerate and ignorant as much as the rest of the western world. There is little reason to move there, but i would like to visit it one day.

The entry hurdle/cost is too high to really do it but they do have better laws when it comes to crypto for example. So depending on your situation it can make financial sense.

>>21233 I've heard that they are though on crime punishers, if you mess up one time you might be done for

>>21225 I'd image that working as a an IT guy might not be as hard as it looks.

I'd love to visit but forget living there.

>>21235 It's less about the job difficulty, more cultural. It's not like you'll be able to go home after your 9-5, it's all about respect and looking like you're being a good worker, as opposed to actually just being productive. And you'll almost certainly have to learn the language

>>21238 Thats the locals problem though. No expectations for immigrants.

I've been living in Japan for a while. I guess the fact that I come from a not so good country in the beginning made it more attractive than for others. All the things written in the thread are true to some extent, but most things are not so extreme all the time. Maybe the fact I live in a smaller city also contributes to that. I came from all the meme reasons, but I think what makes me want to stay is also what many people can't stand. I came to appreciate how conservative the culture is and how the society works, but I see how most foreigners can't stand it.

I'm attracted to living there and am making moves to try and achieve that end, such as learning Japanese and getting a degree. I love the language. I love the culture. I love the food. I love the people (their mannerisms (and manners), customs, behaviors). I love their media (anime is ok, but their film, music, art, books, and TV are amazing). So ya, some of us have reasons that go far beyond "muh anime" and other fetishism bullshit. It's a great place if you like the elements that make it up. However, there's a lot of things there that are likely to make a dyed-in-the-wool westerner take issue. I just happen to not be one of those people.

>>21224 >green scenery That's one of the reason why I always like scenery in anime, they always seem to depict them well. If I ever move to Japan it would always be to the country side

>>21255 How conservative is Japan? and do you get a lot of slack for being a foreigner

>>21260 Not the anon you're responding to. Japan is variably conservative from extreme in the countryside to moderate in the cities. Generally, they frown upon people acting outside their norms, which is a type of conservative, but if you're considerate of their culture you'll get by fine. There's a lot of myths about them being uber conservative assholes, but I've found this to be not really the case.

They don't mind the drawbacks to enjoy the finest escapist media the moment it is released, maybe. With mostly introverts here I think it doesn't matter much how the people is, it is not like they are going to go out of their way to talk with them.

>>21219 >I can't help but think of how hard it would be adjusting as a foreigner. What exactly do you have in mind? >>21255 >>21270 >most things are not so extreme all the time >I've found this to be not really the case. Do you think that's mostly because of rumors, or because the society is changing?

I was the anon that posted >>21255 >>21260 It is very conservative in the way people see the family and roles of man and woman in society. In general, Japanese people value the ways things are and resist change. It is a matter of external appearance though (including being respectful of others), so what is shown to society is what actually matters, not what happens in private. >>21282 The foreigners that live in Japan are separate from the Japanese by the language barrier, and as a result many of the rumors are amplified and become memes between foreigners. Honestly you should not trust my opinions too much. As for society changing, you can see that it is slowly being influenced by western culture, but it is a slow process, and people seem to appreciate how it current is.

What i noticed is japanese immigrant groups are cancer. Westerners literally have lobby groups where they waste their live with trying to change the country into little murica. On the other front they increased immigrant workers from the middle east in 2019 vastly and have a rising trend in islamization. I think their unique culture is gonna vanish this century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXYLdW15sM

>>21296 >have a rising trend in islamization is this true? and here I thought Japan would be the last safe bastion

>>21312 They recently agreed to bring a bunch of them in. The 1%ers finally got em

>>21312 I don't know lainnon, you tell me

>>21259 I'm the original poster, Nikko sticks in my mind from the visit if you get the chance. That and travelling down by train from Hokkaido to Tokyo, the greenery is so thick and dark because of the weather there I love it

>>21296 You really can't resist shoehorning in your pet issue can you

>>21315 This is your evidence? The fact that the Saudis have an anime convention in their own country? If anything that's evidence that culture is flowing in the opposite direction. If there's a force influencing and destroying Japanese culture, it's postwar American culture. That's so eminently obvious and undeniable that it's self-evident. They've made an interesting mix but it's pretty obvious that we are where most of their current culture originated. We are the source of globalized monoculture, full stop.

>>21322 Cmon, maybe you could make the case for other cultures but the whole thing about Japan is its plasticity and mishmash of foreign adoptions.

>>21322 >If there's force influencing and destroying japanese culture, it's postwar American culture If you mean traditional Japan, then maybe yea, but that's only in the big cities and even then Japan is better of then it was 80 years ago. Post-war america didn't happen because America forced itself down upon Japan rather it's Japan accepting and cultivating around American culture, the Meiji era is a great example of this

>>21320 If you immigrate you plan generally longterm. If your exotic country is going the same direction as anywhere else in the west why bother? It's relevant in that sense and thats why i posted about it. >>21322 The guy who replied was in the wrong country anyway. Japan has a cooperation with pakistan if i remember right.(was something with P...) As for the evidence you can just lookup the growth of mosques. Thats a hard number showing the growth without any guesses about believers. >>21324 murrica fuarrrked jap financially with placing guys in their head bank post ww2 and influencing their policies for the worse. Its a complex long story but you can basically blame them working like dogs for less on burgerland. There's some 2h documentary about it on youtube.

>>21324 I'm not saying it's forceful or harmful. I'm saying it's the largest influence on their current culture. Which is just true.

>>21334 >Which is just true. You clearly know nothing about Japan, and you're making false assertions.

>>21340 Western culture is absolutely 1000% the largest influence on monoculture in every country on Earth. There's a reason everyone builds our buildings, has our economic and corporate system, uses our machines, our technology, wears western-style clothes, has at least some version of our sexual mores and courtship rituals, our weddings, our religions, our primary and higher education systems, our counting system and mathematics (which was built upon Arabic and Babylonian systems but was later considerably developed in the west), uses our computer systems programmed with English-based code, uses western political systems such as parliaments and prime ministers and democratic voting and republican representation... do I really need to go on? There are still some bits of traditionalist Japanese culture left, but nearly all of their culture is westernized. As is nearly every single part of the world, with the exception of some tribes in Papua New Guinea and the Amazon rainforest and the Andaman islands and such. We are the largest colonial force on Earth, and we've overwritten all cultures with our own. This isn't even deniable; saying "I know nothing" is about the same as plugging your ears with your fingers and singing "lalalala."

>>21343 >Western culture is absolutely 1000% the largest influence on monoculture in every country on Earth. Largest influence, but not an unstoppable force. >everyone builds our buildings Untrue. Many major world projects are based on designed that deviate significantly from western ideas. >has our economic and corporate system False. China has a system dramatically different from our own. >wears western-style clothes False. Clothing types and styles in many countries such as India, and regions of the Middle East are as distinct from the west as one can be. >has at least some version of our sexual mores and courtship rituals, our weddings, our religions False, False, and False. Our sexual mores are an anomaly when you consider the world, which is often significantly more conservative. Our courtship rituals follow from this, we're significantly more liberal with courtship and sexual relations. Weddings, being an institution of religion in most of the world, also significantly deviate in the majority of the world. >our counting system and mathematics There's nothing special about base-10. I'll concede the use of... wait, what was it? Arabic Numerals. >uses western political systems such as parliaments and prime ministers and democratic voting and republican representation Western models of representative democracy are the exception, not the rule. China, the Middle East, etc. all use vastly different models of government. Even countries that appear similar like India and Japan have vastly differing implementations which go so far as to be completely distinct from our models. Furthermore, you are very myopic in saying "Republican" when the fact is the USA is an exception to an exception in being a republic. Countries like Canada and the UK are parliamentary countries, vastly different. >do I really need to go on? You could, but I would discourage it given the quality of your previous examples. >There are still some bits of traditionalist Japanese culture left, but nearly all of their culture is westernized [Citation Needed]. Japan has taken on some of the trappings of western civilization, on a very superficial level, but they've transformed it to such a degree as to be indistinguishable upon closer inspection. >We are the largest colonial force on Earth True. >and we've overwritten all cultures with our own False. >This isn't even deniable; saying "I know nothing" is about the same as plugging your ears with your fingers and singing "lalalala." You've done much worse than pretend to know nothing, you've pretended to know something and acted like you are some authority. The fact is you haven't got the first clue. It's pretty sad that people believe nonsense like this and trumpet it like the end-all-be-all truth.

>>21343 Have you ever been to Asia? just because people buy jeans they aren't westernised. >our buildings what? look at almost every country and you'll see distinctive architecture >machines and tech Well iPhones have a pretty large hold on things but last time I checked everything is made in China in Chinese factories that exist through Chinese economics and planning. English is the language of the world yes, but that's just because we got dibs by invading half the world, it doesn't mean a culture is 'westernised' because they code in English

>>21344 >neurosuggesting that China is not capitalist with a thin veneer of communism Where was all your stuff made? China is based on western economics. And even if they were communist, that's still based in western culture anyway. Then you have a bunch of examples of things like architecture, clothes, traditions, yadda yadda—but you're blatantly singling out super rare edge cases and holding those up as proof that western culture doesn't hold the majority of influence. Of course there are old archaic exceptions, anachronisms, hold-outs.. but you're just being disingenuous if you say that every country on earth isn't primarily influenced by western colonialism. This is just bad faith. C'mon, you can do better than this. You're corncobbing.

>>21345 Find me a skyline in any major city in the world that consists primarily of mesoamerican pyramids or pagodas or stupas or anything other than western-style skyscrapers with very slight cultural motifs as a superficial facade. Our electronics are made in China, but all the IP, R&D, and schematics are from the west. Just because we outsource the manufacture doesn't mean those aren't western anymore. If anything, it's evidence of even more colonialism. And by the way, the factory system? Ford. It's western too. Even the system of manufacture itself is something we've spread around the world.

>>21347 >edge cases We're talking about >50% of the world GDP friend.

>>21348 >>21347 It's pretty funny you guys can only go on about "muh capitalism". There's significantly more than economics.

>>21347 >super rare edge cases 50% of the world's population funny enough >you're just being disingenuous if you say that every country on earth isn't primarily influenced by western colonialism I acknowledged influenced, but I'm pointing out your claim it is as powerful as you claim is false. >This is just bad faith. Ah yes, when backed into a corner of one's creation, lash out and say "bad faith". I made a bunch of arguments against your false claims and demonstrated their falseness. It's unfortunate you must resort to these tactics. >>21348 >skyline Good luck building any of the structures you listed into a decent height. There's two reasons why the western model of tall buildings is so prevalent: land cost and urban sprawl. However, it would be false to claim that we in the west are responsible for the majority of the innovation in this area. I think it's Abu Dabi (spelling? place?) has the tallest building, and it was designed exclusively by Middle Easterners in a manner that diverges significantly from traditional western designs. >but all the IP, R&D, and schematics are from the west. You're denying the amazing work China has been doing, and will continue to do. They're quite innovative, and you're being myopic pretending that the west has a monopoly on innovation. >>21351 lol? You're gonna have to run that one by me again. >>21353 Nah, there's other people posting besides me, but it sounds like you're trying to start a flame war by accusing people of bad faith instead of sticking with the topic at hand. see: >>21342 .

>>21355 The synopsis is some people think that Japan is now "western" because they've adopted, in a thin way, some western influences. I and one or more other people are arguing that this is basically a facade and the underlying uniqueness of their culture remains in tact. Other people think western culture/etc. has overtaken the whole world (which I am arguing is patently false). Hope this helps.

>>21356 Well the problem is that no one is posting sources to back up their claims, first of all being a "western nation" is not wrong as a matter of fact it should be the main goal of every country. The Arab spring is great example of how being a westernize country with western ideals does not "destroy" your country as a matter of fact it simply brings out the things, lying underneath such as corruption and monarchism More can be read on the Arab Spring wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring But don't think that being a western nation means you are free and benefited in it comes many stumbling blocks

>>21333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY Is it this documentary "Princes of the Yen" ? based on a book by Professor Richard Werner. The Japanese economy is the result of the policies of a central bank less concerned with stimulating the economy than with its own turf battles and its ideological agenda to change Japan's economic structure.The 1980's boom and 1990's burst was rigged

>>21357 Definitely in no way am I implying that westernization destroys or is objectively a bad thing, just saying it's very obviously a thing. It's definitely more complicated than that, you're right.

>>21357 I think sources are not particularly valuable in this case, so far at least. Most of the things people are talking about are common knowledge. The thing is we're reminding each other of flies in the ointment (other common knowledge). However, I'll definitely take your critique to heart.

>>21358 I also have the book if any one wants to read ,I can upload

>>21362 You should, somebody will find it interesting (hint hint me)

>>21358 Funny, I tried watching that documentary and feel asleep because of the poor editing. But either way this isn't surprising, believe or not but Japan had a huge socialist movement during during the 50's and 60's, it took years of strong governmental crackdown to calm it down you can read an excerpt of this on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanrizuka_Struggle

>>21358 I still debate whether or not it was wrong what the central bankers did but that off-topic, I don't want to contribute to that anymore. I feel like making another thread for this

>>21364 This is really interesting. There's a long history of extreme partisanship in Japan. Right-wingers actually buy trucks/vans and outfit them with loudspeakers and go around preaching xenophobic thought and other right-wing beliefs.

>>21366 Another topic is a good idea. I'm sure we could have a lively discussion about this. At your discretion.

>>21363

>>21369 Thank you.

>>21358 >>21369 Damn. Central bankers being absolute garbage in all countries and eras. Guess that's one thing we can all agree on. Okay, done being off-topic as well. I'd love to move to Japan for a little while to live in the rural mountains and drive around the twisty roads in a Toyota Sprinter Trueno Hachi-Roku, delivering tofu. Listening to some Eurobeat on the sound system. That would be pretty cozy.

>>21352 I just feel free to ignore rules which not based physics and mathematics of universe where they are assumed to be used. ;)

>>21371 There's a really interesting thread about people being homeless in Japan, from their experience it wasn't weird as it looked https://wizchan.org/wiz/res/142141.html

>>21371 To add to my post I think that the hardest thing about Japan would be the job. When I get there what how would I sustain myself except for a dead end job at a supermarket? How would I support trying to hold a visa and not lose it? most big companies require you to have serious background checks and recommendations in order to work in their facilities, there's just so much stress that it would kill me

>>21375 This is why I'm going after a degree. Background and references. I really like being under a level of stress to work, so I think I would flourish in their work environment. To each their own though, your position is valid, and I would suggest a reason why Japan has a hikikimori problem.

>>21373 this Japan Travel Thread has some amazing pics . One anon posted about his Shikoku 88 Temple Pilgrimage. https://smuglo.li/a/res/516892.html

>>21377 I didn't even know a site like that existed, is it a 8ch spinoff?

>>21373 >>21377 These threads are great, full of really interesting discussion and fuarrrking stunning photos. Thanks, you two.

On the one hand, their culture is full of interesting ideas and practices; on the other hand, it's deep. Don't misunderstand. I don't mean that their culture is filled with hidded treasure. I mean that their culture is filled with hidden. That's not something I can abide. These aspects of their culture are closely tangled. >Respect. Everyone is really polite On the gripping hand, it's quite comfortable knowing that, so long as you maintain the basic image, you need not ever really interact. If you're stupid, you can continue in your personnal fantasy; if you're smart, you don't have to deal with the stupid. That's culturally. Practically: On the one hand, it's extremely safe, extremely clean, extremely peaceful, extremely free; on the other hand, their work ethic is weak, compensating poor efficiency with extreme (albeit intellectual) labor, yet their police are suspiciously effective. The trains run on time. >[Everyone] wants to do a really good job Would I move to Japan? No. The reason is simple: their drug policies are worse than American. In America, it is difficult to obtain and maintain a reasonable supply of a reasonable form of an otherwise unreasonable psychoäctive substance. In Japan, it is illegal. I, as seem many you, happen to be of those lucky persons whose mind works quite differently from the typical. Occasionally, this atypicality causes problems. The best treatment has me almost functional---and involves small, carefully (by the chemical mechanism, at least---to me, and my doctor, it's easy) administered doses of what Japan, so they say, would have me permanently removed over.

>>21807 Believe it or not but Japan has had a big problem with drugs, especially after WW2 when americans soldiers stayed in Japan. Meth and heroin was one of the biggest drugs sold during the 60's due to the hippie movement and such, it's gotten better now but not good. I wonder if Japan could be the perfect christian nation with all of it's strict laws

>>21219 The Japan worth living in is rural Japan, but why would a Westerner live there? Visiting as a tourist is enough of a cultural smear.

>>21814 Visiting is fine, the only problem is no one will speak English, which is a big problem for most tourists. Visited lots of rural Japan and has just been really normal, I am white though

>>21219 >what's so great about Japan that someone would live there? No tattoos, obesity, body piercing anywhere No grafiti, crime, or beggars People don't go into debt, they save and buy in cash People are polite and happy, everyone is very community/team oriented No tipping anywhere because all jobs pay reasonable wages, don't even try, or you will insult someone Fiber optic internet and vending machines are everywhere Homes are very cheap, for example, here is a home for sale that costs $6,000 http://fudosan.cbiz.ne.jp/detailPage/sale/3004/833/ It's basically Utopia The only real downside is their pizza, which is pretty terrible They bake it with mayo on it with other weird toppings like potatoes and corn, and barely any cheese Even the crust is some kind of chewy rice flour If you can live without acceptable pizza, it's amazing

>>22558 >6000$ ?????!! Are you sure thats the corect price?It seems ridiculously cheap.Is it haunted?Is it next to a garbage dump?Am i an idiot for not moving there? That aside i have travelled in most of asia,it certainly is amazing and feels much more advanced than the west but i couldnt find myself living there.Its like fast food:its amazing but if you decide to eat it exclusively you are gonna get sick.

>>22559 There were $1 homes on sale but it was jap citizen only and in remote villages nobody wanted to live in. Probably something similar. Was honestly prime resort material with those old wooden buildings. Found out later however that some are still inhabited by old people in debt and thus auctioned off to highest bidder. Certainly dampers your enthuatism knowing you might turn some poor old fellows homeless with your purchase.

Op here >>22558 >It's basically Utopia This is the most anti cyb thing you could ever say. The idea of a "Utopia" is as fable than the tooth fairy. >>22559 There's actually homes called "akiya". Basically homes that have been vacant either because the owners died (high elderly population) or just sold because the houses are in the country side, and most of the youngsters move to the city and don't inherit them. There's actually a really good video explaining the process of this. https://youtube.com/watch?v=TwRjO3kHxU4

>>22573 >>22574 makes sense i mostly was suspicious because on some online translators depending on the spacing it translated as 6 million yen ~50k$ which is much more believable and actually expensive for the house pictured. I remember watching a japanology episode about (essentially) free houses at the remote islands.Its really tempting if you are older/retired but for younger people i think its out of the question.

>>22559 >Are you sure thats the corect price? Yes, it's the correct price I purchased one of these cheap houses and live here in Japan now I'm a 10 minute walk to my station 40 minutes outside Sapporo by train I can walk and ride the train anywhere I want to go I no longer have the burden of a car and insurance and gas and repairs But I do have a garage, which is becoming my robotics workshop The people who lived here before me grew old and moved to a retirement home It's peaceful and quiet here, with the occasional festival and fireworks near the river Did you know they have not only candied apples but also candied strawberries here?

>>22692 Damn thats really nice.But i think you can understand my scepticism.Do they have such an abundance of emptied houses in (relatively) remote areas?I d really like to learn the reasons if you have the time,because in most countries situations like these are unheard of.

>>22703 ok sorry disregard my question i got around watching the vid in >>22574 and it explains it really well. That really got me dreaming.

I am going to move to Japan this year for my PhD. Full scholarship included, I just need to figure out a time to move, due to the ongoing covid epidemic. I've been there before for ten days, just before Japan had its own patient zero. I don't like anime (please don't hit me), so your mileage on my experience may vary. From my (very limited) experience, I really appreciate that everyone goes out of their way to help one another. Everyday life also seems to be more efficient than in my country, especially the commuting. On the other hand, I guess that it will take a long time for me to adjust to the mannerisms and the communication there. Human communication is mostly nonverbal and as a foreigner, it will be hard to "read" people who grew up in a different culture. The language barrier will also be hard to overcome within three years. All in all, I think I made the right decision, but I leave it completely open if I will stay there for more than three years.

>>22711 >I am going to move to Japan this year for my PhD I've been thinking about doing that (or teaching there after I get mine). Do you have any advice for that? Is it mostly a STEM thing?

>>22712 Teaching in Japan might be extremely hard considering you're gonna be learning kanji, but otherwise kind of comfy depending on what you're gonna do there.

>>22711 Kashire...they won't accept you

>>22692 Did you renovate the house? one of the video I linked talked about the guy renovating the whole house, it can be quite expensive

>>22712 I can't speak for all universities, but you should be prepared to write a research proposal for your PhD and defend that. In Japan. With this, you should be very mindful of how you want to do your presentation because it seems like the Western style is different from the Japanese one. You should also be aware that you will get asked about your Master's thesis and any extracurricular research. When you want to pursue your PhD there, definitely apply for a MEXT scholarship. It's a very competitive one but very lucrative: It pays for your flight tickets, your tuition fees (yes, Japan has tuition fees!) and then some. When you move there, you absolutely need a student visa, which you can get by obtaining a "certificate of eligibility". Getting this and apply for a visa will take some time, take this into consideration. With everything else (finding a flat, getting the certificate etc.), your professors and places like student affairs offices will definitely help you. Just keep in mind that things will take time. I initiated the contact in November last year via my current professor, just so you have a benchmark on how long these things can take. In general, try to get a PhD by having your current professor recommend you to somewhere, preferably someone he/she knows. Applying directly to a professor somewhere will mean that you will get declined lot, and having references and using them is enormously helpful. I'm still in the process of getting things organized and as I mentioned above, my way of application is a little different from other PhD students, so I don't know what to talk about specifically. If there's anything you want to know, shoot.

>>21219 I love a lot about japanese culture. But I would not live there if you paid me to. Their government is so authoritarian.

>>22762 >authoritarian this is a key feature, not a bug.

>>22787 Not every nation is a bootlicker paradise and even when it is not all people will want to live there. For every utopia there's it's undesirables calling it a dystopia. Not that lainanon by the way. But why would you seemingly defend it's authority just because someone else doesn't like that 'key' feature of it? To them it IS a bug.

>>22704 Just finished watching that, and his house seems like a money pit. His goal is different though. He wants a big impressive home, while we just wanted a place that's paid with no debt, not on a fault, or in a flood plain or land slide area. He shot himself in the foot avoiding a real estate agent though. >>22717 We didn't have a lot of renovations that had to be done. We moved in before starting any. We've spent about $10K renovating kitchen, adding a toilet upstairs, new tatami mats in the tea room, and putting down hard floors in the piano room. This year we will spend a bit more on painting or siding the exterior and replacing tatami mats with hard floors upstairs. Then we're done with renovations.

>>22796 >But why would you seemingly defend it's authority Not that lainon, but that's the question in the OP >>21219 >what's so great about Japan Besides, calling Japan authoritarian is pretty silly. I can tell this person has never set foot in Japan.

My co-worker turned his weeb fantasy IRL. Went from watching tons of anime as a kid to teaching himself Japanese, marrying a Japanese wife, having a kid, and has been living there for over a decade. The key difference is that he is not a lazy bum, unless most people on imageboards.

>>22832 I kind of envy him, not every man that makes it to Japan come out healthy. When I was younger I always talked about marrying a Chinese female for some reason, it was kind of a running gag but I never knew why I wanted to do that, I never even watch anime back then. The most that I can think of is Daniel and hiding in my room, a weebs story gone wrong https://youtube.com/watch?v=C23V01qOMYA

>>22798 OP here I never called Japan authoritarian, it's clear from their politics that they are democratic to some extent. It's just their society is still stuck and inspired by imperial mindsets

>>22856 Sorry, not referring to you, just this post >>22762

>>22796 You're pretty dumb. Just because somebody doesn't like how something functions doesn't make that undesirable.

>>22856 >their society is still stuck and inspired by imperial mindsets the only people with this mindset is fringe right-wingers. you should actually come to Japan before making broad, unfounded statements about it.

>>22912 I did want to move to Japan when I was younger, when I first got into anime, Japan to me was the holy land nothing was as perfect as Japan (I still think it is), I met this cute girl who really was into anime and had over. But over the years I've kind of realized how far stretched my ideals are, for starters moving half across the world with no family is kind of lonely, I would miss my family. Moving to a country where the language is foreign and hard would also be a pain, the most I could do as a job is work for a fast food joint or become an English teacher both which are underpaid and competitive. I would also have to find a way to keep my visa or "work permit" depending whichever one I decide to use, while barely struggling to keep food on the table. I'm not sure about the dating scene but I know as a non-white guy trying to find a girlfriend or a wife, it would not be impossible but tiresome, Japanese media tend to portrait my race in stereotypical ways, and people would treat me in stereo. Honestly I did my research about it, I've kind of realized that Japan is just not for me anymore, the world portrait in anime is nice but it's far from reality. I think I just grew up from it, I don't have people for moving there tho

>>22939 It definitely isn't for everybody. People like me have little attachment to other people, so leaving them behind (in body) is trivial. Learning the language is admittedly very difficult, I still struggle. Dating, etc. is somewhat of a moot point for reasons noted above, but I keep my options open. It definitely isn't a fairy tale land, but if you are the type who can/wants-to abide by their culture, you can fit right in. Speaking on stereotypes, I find them rather amusing. I come from a place where black people are portrayed in a very stereotypical fashion (guess guess where), so it was somewhat eye-opening and humbling for the shoe to be on the other foot. Not a bad thing, for me at least, but certainly disorienting. Face to face, however, it is nothing like what a black person experiences: people are generally friendly and welcoming in my experience.

I'm considering applying for the JET program as a plan C or D if graduate study doesn't pan out and I need to get a job. A friend suggested it, but I'm not sure if it's something that I actually want to do, or would even benefit from doing. I get the impression that ALTs are generally a bit useless, and the salary isn't great. On the other hand, it's almost certainly better than being a NEET for another year and I'd probably benefit from having some teaching experience.

i graduated from college and i have nothing going for me here. I wonder if i should just try learning japanese (its been a dream of mine since i was a kid, here i am as an unfulfilled adult) im not delusional about japan. in fact i dont consume any weeb media anymore. the most is video games and even thats rare. I think it'd be nice to move to japan for a little bit. though i'm not sure where i'd go or what'd I do? Whats a good city in japan for westerners to move to? >>22958 yeah I'd apply for JET but after an informational meeting with JET people when I was in college and reading online it really does feel like a useless position and you're not even that well liked by other japanese once they find out your job. also i really have no idea how i'd handle kids. I think im bad at that kind of teaching thing

I would prefer living off-grid in the rural area with stable climate and good community rather than anything else.

>>22573 Many countries are doing this as rural areas become ghost towns, it's nice at first but the houses often need a lot of renovation, the place itself is expensive to live in and there are no jobs to support that. Also there are lots of legal loopholes in the contract to bind you and take money from you, or the houses are immediately taken by people who capitalize on them by renting them or some other soykaf. I would love to move to a rural area if these initiatives were not a case of too good to be true. I'd probably do errands for the old people there and all that nice stuff. Tranquility, some green and a friendly community would be a paradise for me.

>>24185 Old buildings are a trap here because they can fall under historical protection and the government places the responsibility of protecting historical buildings upon the owner. So what looks like a deal becomes quickly a moneypit you cant crawl out as you are legally forced to restore it to original standard and forbidden to modernize. But there's an alternative for your goal. Some of the old folks already living in large houses in rural areas are hiring young folks as help. You can go live rentfree with them if you dont mind some farmwork etc.

>>24189 I wouldn't mind taking the chance to travel all the way to rural Japan to work for a retired samurai to split wood and slowly work my way into his stone samurai heart until he deems me worthy of learning the way of the sword and teaches me discipline and other things I think aren't that useful but when bandits raid the home it turns out the teachings have tempered my spirit and I valiantly fight them off but he's mortally wounded and I say SENSEEEEEI but he says you're more than a disciple you're the son I never had then he passes away but he's got a scroll on him and it's a map of the sacred mountain and it turns out that under the waterfall there's a nodachi carved with the signature of the legendary swordsmith Sengo Muramasa who made a cursed sword infusing its possessor with immense power but cursed him with bloodlust and I realize my father was the guardian of his weapon so I go on this adventure where I guard the sword from demons and ninjas while trying to control the demon form the sword turns me into when I use it, but I heard that getting a visa is complicated.

>>24199 In hindsight a bit unclear. As you spoke about countries in general my suggestion was intended for doing it in your own country. I dont think old people want foreigners that barely understand them even if some richer people do hire foreigners for their grandparents as caretakers because its cheaper and still better than putting them in a pension home. (there's an entire industry hauling cheap east block maids into europe and another hauling european maids to us)

>>24207 >my suggestion was intended for doing it in your own country. Old people here are almost universally assholes.

I live in a soykafhole redneck poor desert area. I'd suck 100 smegma ridden cocks to live in Japan.

>>22558 These statements are a tad misleading >People don't go into debt, they save and buy in cash This is not really true. Salarymen will go into massive debt to purchase homes in desirable areas >No tipping anywhere because all jobs pay reasonable wages The "Reasonable wages" thing in respect to tipping is a lie in first world nations. People don't tip in Japan because it is rude as you said but that is the only reason. If you are comparing tipping culture to the US (which most people do so forgive me for assuming) there seems to be this massive misunderstanding when it comes to minimum wage and tipped employees. Employers are allowed to create tipped jobs because it allows the business to save on payroll however employers may not under any circumstance pay their employees under what their state mandates as minimum wage come pay day. >Homes are very cheap, for example, here is a home for sale that costs $6,000 This is only the case when it comes to "rural" homes.

>>24185 Not only do the houses need a lot of renovation there are very strict regulations when it comes to doing so making it burdensome and expensive. There are some people on youtube that bought some of those rural aged houses to restore. The costs they detail are obscene so either youtube pays way better than I think it does or these people are independently wealthy.

>>24212 >>22939 Japan isn't the paradise people make it out to be. For starters, if you are not Japanese or have Japanese relations good luck finding an apartment. There are special complexes that allow foreigners to live in them because regular apartments do not generally rent to non Japanese (especially westerners) out of fear they will not assimilate well i.e. being loud, not separating trash properly, cooking strange foods that will stink up the hallways. Finding a job will be a culture shock in itself. A lot of foreigners will need to find corporate sponsors to allow them to work in country which a lot of companies are averse to because foreigners are seen as unstable which doesn't justify the risk in their eyes. You would most likely need to be highly knowledgeably in a specialized and in-demand industry to gain employment easily. Though the working environments and expectations are changing you will find the salaryman way life is still very alive. People regularly spend many long hours at their office that would be considered outright abusive in western countries if you encounter it at all. Pertaining to employment there are expectations on appearance with regulations on such things as haircuts. With employment in the US (the place I know best which I draw comparisons to there) you can get away with most haircuts outside of a straight up 1ft long mohawk or other crazy shaved designs and whatnot. Should everything go well and you are accepted into society you now have societal expectations. You are expected to participate within society to such an extent you do not become a burden by being withdrawn. I get the whole neet meme thing but those people aren't exactly accepted within the social hierarchy. There is a reason why people haven't historically sought out help for their condition with their relatives going so far as to enable this behavior lest the neighbors find out that their relative is a hikikomori. Again things are changing but for now most mental illness doesn't really garner much attention from society which sees it as more of a personal shame than an illness that assistance should be sought for. There is a reason there is a suicide forest and old people die alone in their house. I may have gone a little long winded with this perhaps losing my way but people need to understand the in-group/out-group dynamic that is pervasive in that society and why a lot of people idealizing it may just be experiencing a "grass is greener" syndrome. >>22762 Is right to an extent their entire culture is authoritarian. It literally revolves around authority and your place within a hierarchy.

>>24207 I remember there being a video specifically about Japanese master craftsmen starting to look for foreign apprentices because they can't find Japanese ones. There was even a job website for that mentioned. I think it was on the Life Where I'm From YT-channel, but I can't find it right now. >>23854 I've heard Fukuoka mentioned as a popular tech hub. It also looks pretty cyberpunk, which is a bonus. I've been working at this for a while, been learning Japanese with middling but steady success so far and specifically selected a university that has a partnership with Todai. Now I just need to get grades in the upper ten percent and I've got a good chance at a foreign year there, during which I'd need to somehow impress a professor enough to get a recommendation to do my masters there, or nab a whole library of study guides for their entrance exams. I'm also currently doing the best Japanese class available in my country. Hard, but the results so far are great. Ideally, I'd manage to get in purely through catching enough academic points on their immigration thing, which would allow me to forego a corporate sponsor and just work as a freelancer for western companies, but I fully expect to have to sell my soul to some corp for a little under a decade or so. Only problem is my age, really, but that's nothing I shouldn't be able to compensate for.

>>25642 I'm sure everyone who dreams of moving to Japan knows at least vaguely about Japanese reality but they are so desperate and unfulfilled by Western life they willingly suspend what they know so they can keep daydreaming. I understand why that happens, it's a grass is greener thing but Western prospects suck and people have no way out. People who have the means to go to Japan and get the life they want are usually well off people who have all doors open no matter what. The country has a huge homeless problem, I saw this documentary about homeless people who lived in internet cafes, working in IT remotely or camming, just working and sleeping in a square yard booth all their lives. Mental illness carries a stigma that is much worse than it is in the West, there's conformity and speech policing that is probably comparable to the craziest CoCs, awful relationships and love life... The jobs that Westerners usually dream about are seen as a joke - you won't be able to get a loan or room to rent if you are a mangaka or animator, in many cases you live in the studio and the pay/hours ratio for these jobs is something like 3$/hour... imagine that... but you get to draw oppaichan's adventures and other things that would make any person with a dignity gouge their eyes out with a rusty spoon. Even most of the people involved in the traditional side of Japan look dead inside, like they're carrying on with a tradition they don't care about that much anymore. The older craftsmen look half abandoned and they always say something like, I'll be the last one doing this, and unless they make stuff of extremely high value their business is taken over by Westerners who turn it into yet another pseudo corporate social media marketing Kickstarter meme. It's sad.

Moving to somewhere like Japan seems appealing because of the degradation of society that I see today. Japan is presented as a place that is able to retain its culture, while the country I live in actively attempts to reject its own and instead imports others. Yet if I were to move to Japan, would I not be doing the same as the people I detest that move to my country and change the culture & demographic? It is why I could never move there. Yet I also can't stay here. I believe all talk of moving away is a discontent with ones current society. The real solution is to move away from ones society completely, by possibly moving off the grid or living remotely. All options are difficult, but we are in a time where Western society is a ticking time-bomb, who wouldn't want to escape it.

>>25682 If you dont do it others do it to filling the jobs and they take the influence you dont want them to take. Its sad to say but japan is besieged by various lobby groups trying to westernize it.

>>25694 "Westernization" is just modernization, the former term sort of implies that we imposed our soykaf on Japan because we're mean. The West modernized faster, and others had to follow. The end goal of humanity would have probably looked the same no matter where the acceleration began. As of now Western culture is stripped of everything that isn't getting a result, it's cultural annihilation rather than a different culture. All in all isn't culture and human sensibility just about that margin of error? The choice of a making a box anything other than 6 slabs of plastic is not fully functional. We finally realized this as a collectivity, there are too many of us to do things in baby steps, one generation at a time like it used to be. The race now is about scrubbing as much of that margin of error as fast as possible. Every country is coping differently to the loss of culture and humanity, but in the end we're going to reach the same goal which is some sort of hive mind. When we finally get there we won't even feel it, we probably won't be equipped with silly stuff like personal sensibility and there will be no need to make different patterns or colors for the plastic box. It will probably be black since it doesn't show wear as much as white.

>>25701 The process you mention is happening but its not what I was talking about. Social justice is the modern western culture and it doesn't increase productivity to hire trash just to meet your mandated hiring quota on employer looks. Companies burning money on that hill are the best evidence that its a ideology around values not correlated to profit. More general its not an improvement to scrub cultural differences and unify on moral values. Mono-culutures are by design a weakness because when they fail the whole thing fails. With that said i also think the process you mention is not uniform. Modern public buildings are nothing compared to the old ones. Public education suffered too. I don't see standardized products though. As long as some form of competition remains there will be a product palette to capture the entire market and keep competition out through filling all niches yourself.

>>25702 >Social justice is the modern western culture and it doesn't increase productivity to hire trash just to meet your mandated hiring quota on employer looks. Companies burning money on that hill are the best evidence that its a ideology around values not correlated to profit. You don't undertand. This is all flexing. You are not considering the marketing value of being at the forepront of a social wave, and the value of strong-arming every other company into doing the same. I am sure that hiring a bunch of useless people to fill in a quota is just part of the marketing budget for the megacorps, and they won't put useless people in the lead. On the other hand consider how much harder a smaller company's budget is hit when they have to fill mandatory quotas. You can see that happening with smaller entertainment venues that are financially in trouble like comics or tabletop RPGs. The small companies HAVE to hire people with an agenda or they're branded as Nazis, so the process you described happens and they just die. If you say don't care, brand me all you want, I'll keep my loyal customers? You're guilty by association. Not doing the thing means you do not support it. See where it goes? Right now with the Coronavirus thing, if you just make an ad you come off as someone who doesn't give a fuarrrk. You come off as an asshole. You HAVE to do the sugary let's all be together Coronavirus ad. The picture is long-term though you can see it already somewhere, and the endgame is not a mono-culture but no culture at all. Sooner or later they will just code a color/shape pattern that makes the human brain soil itself with dopamine or whatever happy hormone that works, and we won't have movies anymore. Amazing. Nobody gets offended, nobody doesn't like it, nobody thinks it's childish, nobody thinks it's complicated. Dopamine show, all-age, all-gender, one-size-fits-all. Like modern art except if you can't get stimuli from it they can say your brain doesn't work. A corp guy reading this might swoon 'cause that's their wet dream: consumers just going back home and turning on their TV to watch dopamine show until their wrist watch says that's enough for the day. Back to the topic, Japan just like every other country is adapting to this endgame. Some countries do it better than others, Japan has always been in a very good direction for this since the faulty cogs are expendable. That's probably what the West is doing wrong right now, we gotta ditch those Christian values completely 'cause telling people their lives are valuable just because is holding us back way too much.

>>25704 I think locally its right. It creates a cost that small corps cant stem and kills them which is good for bigger ones but it doesnt come from them. The movement wasnt funded by google&fb so i doubt it was intentional for that reason. Google lost some of their best minions to social justice. Sure they are to big to fail locally but it makes them less competitive globally. China doesnt take part in that charade, they consider westerners idiots for it in fact. They are ruthless on a completely different lvl that westerners dont get at all. Modern Art has value for Tax evasion. You pretend garbage has value and donate it to get a write off. Since you can have some art school dropout produce infinite new pieces at no cost its free money. And the artist is relying on you because no normal person would invest in his nonexisting skills. There cant be no culture. Culture is just the behaviour a distinct group shows. You can destroy heritage but it will just give rise to something new to develop same way atheism opened the door to let people worship corporations instead of churches. Something will fill the void.

All the talk about Japan's horrible work culture seems to describe office environments. What's it like to have a blue-collar job in Japan?

>>26162 Not sure if I used the right word, I mean like a nurse or train dispatcher, not a truck driver.

>>25704 >Sooner or later they will just code a color/shape pattern that makes the human brain soil itself with dopamine or whatever happy hormone that works, and we won't have movies anymore. Amazing. Nobody gets offended, nobody doesn't like it, nobody thinks it's childish, nobody thinks it's complicated. I agreed with most of what you said earlier, but that's a helluva slippery slope scenario you've got there, lain. I do hope you're just being facetious or merely exaggerating in order to get a reaction out of the other lainon. >That's probably what the West is doing wrong right now, we gotta ditch those Christian values completely 'cause telling people their lives are valuable just because is holding us back way too much. I don't think it's the Christian values which are at fault for the economic lag in the West. If anything, it might just as well be the vanishing of said values from the mainstream society which could be at the root of it all. After all, religion and the belief in an afterlife (or some greater purpose) have always played a major role in the Western (and its precursors in the Middle-Eastern) world for thousands of years, whereas, generally speaking, it's almost as if Asians do not need a higher purpose in order to keep on functioning (the majority of people in Korea(s) and China are either irreligious or atheists, and Japan's Buddhist-Taoism is basically a non-religion (i.e. lacking a core tenet of an afterlife)).

I'm not ultra plugged into weeb soykaf. But, even I have to say I think the climate and architecture is neat and comfy. Summers in rural Japan seem nice.

>>26169 >I agreed with most of what you said earlier, but that's a helluva slippery slope scenario you've got there, lain. You think so? I think something as bleak as that is somewhere down the line. And considering how many people are on antidepressants right now, dopamine show might not even need to exist. People could get their relaxation/happiness fix from a pill so they can spend all their waking time being "productive". Actually that's the most likely scenario, since there's no better and more direct way of pacifying everyone than drugs that are designed to be safe (porn, SSRIs, etc.) >t's almost as if Asians do not need a higher purpose in order to keep on functioning (the majority of people in Korea(s) and China are either irreligious or atheists, This is wrong, Chinese people are very superstitious and they constantly use folk medicine or pay to get their fortunes told. The absence of organized religion does not mean that the Chinese are completely driven by rationality. It's just heavily fragmented. >and Japan's Buddhist-Taoism is basically a non-religion (i.e. lacking a core tenet of an afterlife)). That's also simplistic, Buddhism and Shinto are definitely religions. The issue with Japan is that it went through a series of cultural shocks.

>>21377 I'm the anon that went on the Shikoku pilgrimage. I stopped writing about it because I became aware that it is futile to try and express anything worthwhile about it. I'm really not qualified to even attempt to express any of the esoteric reasons why it is the most incredible place in the world. I've been searching for it my whole life it seems. It's probably a personal thing that differs from human to human but there's something about that place that has an unspoken magnetism, like it's the source of all things. Anyway, I've traveled and lived all over the world but for me it was immediately clear that that is as good as it is likely to get in this human experience. I think that if the world would be some kind of utopia if everyone carried themselves even half of the way those people do.

>>25706 All culture is counterproductive. Once people start capitalizing on this counterproductivity, all goes to hell

>>21224 agree with this. i really admire japan from an aesthetic standpoint, not just the "intentional" stuff like their buildings and folk art, but also just how their towns look and the natural environmental beauty of the region. the folklore, particularly shinto, is also really interesting to me (i'm sure europeans won't think it's anything too special, but we don't have anything like that in america). it also seems like they are less of a "supermarket" culture, if that makes sense. like buying stuff from farms isn't something that just people in the boonies or urban hipsters do. it seems like their standards are higher in some ways as well. food is the obvious thing to point to (7-11 serving hot meals, even pre-packaged food not being chemical sludge, etc.) but overall there's an attention to detail and an appreciation for nice things that i find really appealing. in some ways it seems kind of like northern europe. on the other hand, i don't think i could actually live there long term and be happy with it. i'm too infatuated with the american roguish individual character. i like that in a lot of western cultures coming up with inventive ways to "outsmart the man" is seen as a positive thing. from my understanding the japanese would see this as deeply antisocial behavior. i've been following this guy on youtube for a while: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheJapanChannelDcom. i like seeing his perspective because he's just a middle aged australian dude who doesn't know soykaf about anime or weird tokyo otaku soykaf, so i think he gives a pretty honest depiction of how day to day life in japan compares to the west. he occasionally makes videos that are clearly just his way of venting his frustrations about japanese culture, and those are usually the most insightful. he often notes that "this is just how things are done" is a very common justification for things that westerners would never put up with (like long pointless meetings filled with social formalities). it could of course be argued that the things that make japan great would not exist without these other things, but overall i don't think the tradeoff would be worth it for me.

>>26192 Is there any way you could upload your pictures again? The link to the other thread is dead, would be nice to view them

>>22703 It's also that uncommon in larger countries like Canada and Russia for remote areas to be way cheaper. Since a little while you could be given some land if you volunteered to go farm in the middle of nowhere East of the Urals (Russia).

>>26198 I like Japan because of this reason. Here people(including myself) feel entitled to say whatever the fuarrrk they want whenever the fuarrrk they want to whoever the fuarrrk they want, not caring about who they say it to or how they say it. Respect implies heeding to the laws of nature and the rules of man. In Japan even the internationally known crime gang does stuff to help the community.

I think society as a whole has certain goal fetishes that everyone develops over time. Some people dream of going to Paris or Rome, others dream of climbing the Everest, and "our" demographic dreams of visiting Japan. Once I read some info about how travelling is so fetished and encouraged because it's so incredibly profitable; so we're constantly fed with propaganda to turn the concept of travel into a lifetime goal that everyone must fulfill. It sells the concept of travel as a sure sign that you "made it", that you will be more cultured and interesting after travelling. It even had a fancy term and all, but it has currently slipped from my mind. But still, at the end of the day everyone's entitled to travel and visit new places, because it is a genuinely great and enriching experience. As for me, my interest for Japan has been cyclical. At first I was a dumb weeabo teenager who thought I'd be instantly loved for being a foreigner who knew so much Naruto, sushi and ramen. Then I felt disillusioned with Japanese media and my own obsession. I eventually learned to appreciate the culture from other aspects and felt like living/going there again, then I learned about their work culture. I recently got the itch again, I researched places I could go to, all the logistics of travel, and more about the everyday culture and its people, but now I find the language and the logistics of actually getting a VISA and working there as a huge barrier. I still dislike the stigma of their work culture, as I'm already tasting how overwork culture is like in my own country, and I want to avoid it as much as possible, since at least here we can still call it exploitation and not "duty". Still, after obsessing for so many years with the place, I probably owe it to myself to visit some day, but my financial status is not as good as I'd like, I'd rather invest in property or a business than blowing a chunk of my life savings into a fancy one week trip. So for now, all I can do is keep dreaming and consuming videos and pictures of it.

>>29145 > I still dislike the stigma of their work culture, as I'm already tasting how overwork culture is like in my own country, and I want to avoid it as much as possible, since at least here we can still call it exploitation and not "duty". I really like that way of phrasing it.

>>21306 Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

>I'd rather invest in property or a business than blowing a chunk of my life savings into a fancy one week trip. If you plan carefully and make friends on the internet before you go it will probably cost you less than $1200 for the entire trip. That's not going to help you invest in a property or business. It's the kind of money you put into the stock market to save for a trip and then take out when you're up and plane tickets to japan are cheap.

>>33302 I don't get why people make it out to be that expensive, or maybe I'm an asshole making too much money but the return trip for 3 weeks is less than 3000£ and that's if you're not being a cheapskate. Anyway, I wouldn't like to work in Japan because the work ethic there is like kicking dead whales down the beach ass, but wouldn't mind living there one or two years for the experience. I was actually planning to spend half a year there just to practice japanese.

hey op here ever since i posted this thread at the start of the year, I changed my mind. I now want to see what Japan has to offer in terms of a long future, coronavirus made me skeptical of the united states and the world atm, so literally anywhere else is better than america. I want to start a new topic. How can you live in Japan and what do you recommend you must do to live in Japan? tips? guide? must knows?

>>33367 A university degree is basically a must. It'll open a lot of doors for you in terms of work. Conversely, they're opening doors now for blue collar work, but I don't know much about that so ymmv. With a university education, the "easiest" way in is to teach english. A way to get your foot in the door is the JET program. Otherwise, you're going to end up interviewing for companies Nihon style. Do some research on what this means, because it isn't anything like your burger flipping american joint. hope this helps, good luck.

>>22692 Does your area have fiber optic or something?

>>22692 You're so full of soykaf.

>>21219 Nope. While I respect many aspects of Japanese culture such as Shintoism and their sense of cleanliness, I prefer land; guns; self-defense choice; hunting; and a work day less than 8 hours long or at least not 6 days per week.

When I see guides on how to invade Japan as a foreigner they make me incredibly uncomfortable. Everyone that talks of moving to Japan always describes the country as this foreign paradise where everyone is friendly. You do realize if all of you move to Japan and "get your foot in the door" by becoming bad English teachers, the country won't be your special safe space anymore, right?

>>33674 I think the kind of people this sort of life is being advertised to and are willing to actually relocate to Japan are few enough in number for there to be no real change to Japan.

>>33674 >>33678 there's certainly some influx of preachers trying to change the country.

>>33752 The cringe is really strong in that pic.

>>33757 That forum is full of soykaf like that, its like the opposite extreme of quadchan p0l, they ban any dissenting opinion and drifted in the opposite extreme with it. What's actually concerning is how many of the people on there have jobs in positions where they may impact things and they seemingly do practice the same behaviour irl getting ideological allies into their companies while firing opposition. Entire forum reads like a cult.

I don't see the appeal. Japan seems so boring and, I don't know, isolated? I can get in the car/train/bus, visit another country and be back before midnight here in Europe. Spend the weekend in Italian alps, the next one on a beach in Bulgaria and the next one at a festival in Lithuania or whatever. Japan can't compete with that.

>>33678 That's what they said about immigration 15 years ago in my country. It's a lie. Immigrants always change things.

>>33760 Most people that want to drop everything they're ever had in their home country and move to Japan are American anime/internet culture addicts. Every city in America pretty much looks the exact same, and Americans aren't really knowledgeable when it comes to other cultures or countries (despite being the biggest "diverse" melting pot in the world). So all they consume is popular, flashy Japanese media and... you know where this is going.

>>33762 You'd think the number of animes that build up significant parts of their depressing jokes about work culture in the country would serve as some sort of dissuasion.

>>33765 That and the suicide rate. I haven't looked into the work culture but from what I've heard, it sounds as dystopian. Ever been on a Japanese train? People falling asleep and waking up for a 2 minute trip, but you do get a late note if the city train is delayed. Not sure if that's a sign of excellent train service or highly-controlling work culture, probably both. >But when delays do occur - even as little as a minute - they are repeatedly announced to passengers along with humble apologies until normal service resumes. >Prolonged delays are fodder for local, if not national, news programmes, and see the train companies handing out cards to passengers that they can submit to their bosses as a reason they were late for work.

>>33765 It's funny you should mention that. That for me is a plus. I'm semi-joking. Working for a small company would be pretty comfy. >>33768 It's good to be in a place where checking out is run-of-the-mill.

>>33674 >>33752 Censoring art is never gonna end up well. >Ex-Pats More like pic related. They're much worse than the otakus these people are trying to cancel for reasons than sub-cultures being vulnerable targets.

>>33768 There is also stories of people in the workplace eating lunch in the bathroom because they are so shunned. Also panty dispersers and all the messed up soykaf that goes down there sounds like its a degenerate hellhole.

>>33752 >cultural shift Most influence-rs are trying to propagate capeshit and soywars and normal person-ism in Japan recently. It's the easiest way to spread culture by FOMO caused by paid influencer/actors. Lots of youtubers or even vr-tubers suddenly pander to or casually mention capeshit in youtube JP. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a ploy to put down the anime industry to pave way for the progressive U.S film industry giant I cannot mention but you know who.

>>33773 > the progressive U.S film industry giant I cannot mention Don't be a coward, tell us.

Does any Lain know, if there would be any point in working translating jobs in Japan? Not talking about manga/anime etc, but actual translating, whether it be books or touring and so on.

>>33769 I think the comfy part is the part you misunderstood. Comfy & work don't go in the same sentence out there. It doesn't resemble New Game in the slightest. >>33773 >capeshit I assume language enhancer, but I have no idea what that meant. >>33785 My impression is that they're very insular and there wouldn't be much of a job market.

>>33785 Working for an international translation service is a very good job, assuming you know what you are doing and you have a near native level of both languages.

>>33789 I most certainly have no problem with speaking English, I speak it as good as native speakers, maybe a tad worse. I doubt I'll have any problem learning Japanese either if I learn it hard enough, but having native level Japanese seems to be a bit of a hard feat to accomplish, especially if you don't live there. I know translating jobs can be very rewardful. But I have nothing set in stone at the moment, the idea of becoming a translator there is a veru fresh idea for me.

>>33788 That's just internet lingo for all the superhero movies that come from only 2 studios in us. Hence capeshit - they all dress with capes.

>>33783 Probably Dididisneneney

>>33798 I'm somewhat surprised the first guess I had which I dismissed as off-topic was in fact the right one. Though really, that trend's going to die off sooner than later. It's already been tired for quite a few years now.

>>33801 >Though really, that trend's going to die off sooner than later. It's already been tired for quite a few years now. It's been going strong for 20 years (starting with the X-Men in 2000) It's not a trend anymore, it's a permanent component of American culture. I hate it and everything it represents but lets not kid ourselves, cape movies are here to stay.

>>33801 You can run them forever unchanged because there's always the next generation of 12 year olds who never saw one before. Same with anime, "isekai" is called new but at its core its just the same fantasy hero story its always been with a more modern game world reskin just like movies tell the same stories as in the 70s merely adjusting the scifi tech to modern mentality.

Does Japan have a future? >demographic collapse >economic collapse >government can't pull itself together Then again, they were in a pretty bad position when Commodore Perry came around.

>>33903 The difference lied in its independence. The Japan of Perry's time was not under the heel of a foreign power in the way they're subordinate to America now, and so it was able to act freely. Had Japan not fuarrrked up in the 20th century they wouldn't have to deal with any of this.

>>33804 More than that, it's ingrained enough that larger generations will see them as iconic childhood figures and thus become fodder for nostalgic recycling. Some people are nostalgic for the old Spiderman movies, and even older people are like that over the really old Batman movies. More fuel will be added to the nostalgia engine. >>33805 I think there's a difference that's specific to our times. Isekai has to acknowledge real life to some extent to compare it to fantasy life. It can be seen as openly wish fulfillment even within its own fictional context, while regular fantasy exists in its own world.

Didn't Abe just retire? What's the deal with their new PM?

>>33960 >I think there's a difference that's specific to our times The general idea of crossing a portal to a magical world is pretty common in western young adult fiction and has been for decades. Chronicles of narnia comes to mind, and is an old and very direct example, but Harry Potter is also arguably this. In fact, I think more young adult fantasy fits this trope than not. It seems to be popular for the same reason as isekai too, although I don't know if isekai was actually inspired by western YA fantasy.

>>33978 Oh, how could I forget Alice in Wonderland. That's like the archetypal example. It seems like Alice is popular in Japan so that might even be the common ancestor.

>>33378 Yes, basically everywhere has fiber optic in Japan The best I can do in Hokkaido is 1Gbps, Tokyo has much faster of course Japan already has 5G deployed too I've read you can get 4.2Gbps NTT Docomo wireless service in Tokyo now That should go really nicely with a Sony Xperia 1 II that can handle up to 7.5Gbps There will be nationwide coverage by 2023 It's on the way really soon here, there are a few 5g test sites up near Iwamizama https://www.nperf.com/en/map/JP/2128295.Sapporo/-./signal/ Here's a modest house for $40,000 right next door to them https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/6969243003/

There certainly is a fascination of Japan in the West, but I wonder if a thing like that exists in Japan or the East in general? Are there people in Japan that watch 1980's cartoons from france? Is there an underground culture that's interested in Brazilian Culture? I wouldn't be suprised if the USA is a major influence, but that's more or less the "default" culture, world-wide.

>>34283 They literally have the same soykaf as weebs trying to peddle how old western shows are so much superior to the local stuff. But there are more important things to consider. Chinese hire westerners to front as company owners to get trusted. Koreans do eye widening surgeries. We dont have that level of insanity with weebs.

>>34283 >Is there an underground culture that's interested in Brazilian Culture? Not underground - Brazilians are one of the largest ethnic minorities in Japan, they have their schools, cultural centers, samba carnivals and so on.

>>34285 what the hell. Why? is there a historic reason?

>>34003 2023 would probably be the time Starlink becomes global though I would prefer if it was not Point2Point (satellite beaming at my dish). I'd like to just have a local base station to connect into.

>>34327 The Japanese automobile industry built a lot of factories in Brazil, so there's been some emigration of people employed by them.

>>34327 A lot of Japanese people migrated to Brazil in the early 20th century. Today almost 2 million Brazilians have Japanese ancestry. Since the economic boom of the 80s Brazilians have started migrating to Japan. While most of those migrants are of Japanese ancestry they're still very much Brazilian (Portuguese-speaking, Roman catholic, soccer-obsessed etc) There's about 300 000 of them living in Japan.

>>34347 IIRC a few south American countries have fast-track routes to japenese citizenship due to historic reasons. I think peru was one of the bigger ones

>>34344 >2023 would probably be the time Starlink becomes global though I would prefer if it was not Point2Point (satellite beaming at my dish). I'd like to just have a local base station to connect into. That was one of the original theories for how Starlink would work for non-business customers: one high-speed dish that provided a 4G connection for a local area. I guess SpaceX figured out how to make the dishes small enough and cheap enough, but retain decent bandwidth to sell directly to end-users in areas with low population density. One thing is for sure, they're gonna make a fortune. I'm certain they'll still do this for their moving-vehicle market though - airliners and trains and the like.

>>34344 >2023 would probably be the time Starlink becomes global though Japan tends to meet deadlines more successfully than Elon Musk tho ;)

>>34466 >Japan tends to meet deadlines more successfully than Elon Musk tho ;) The thing to remember is that SpaceX doesn't have "deadlines" for their R&D, just aggressive but rough target dates that Musk self-imposes. The closest they have to deadlines are for commercial launches and they're about the same as every other launch provider in terms of meeting those dates. Schedule slippage is just par for the course in launch services, especially from the Cape during hurricane season. Given the fact that they're making major progress on two completely unprecedented projects (a fully-reusable heavy-lift launch system, and a LEO commsat network numbering in the thousands) I think it's fair to say they're doing pretty good on their timelines.

>>25642 >hikikomori This problem is much worse in the US than Japan https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/04/a-majority-of-young-adults-in-the-u-s-live-with-their-parents-for-the-first-time-since-the-great-depression/ Like in the US, many are victims of circumstance, who missed the boat during the time the economy was rotten. But the economy in the US has been imploding at regular 8-12 year intervals for a few decades now. S&L scandal in the 80s, dot com bust, housing crash, now covid lockdowns.

>>34744 Entire west is fuarrrked, jobs didnt keep up with inflation for the last 60 years. In reverse taxes went up and education cost went up. People are thus overall significantly poorer. Its a given they cant afford the livestyle of their grandparents.