Toxoplasmosis Gondii

Have we finally found it Lainons?? Is this what has been hurting us? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/mind-altering-cat-parasite-linked-to-schizophrenia-in-largest-study-yet/amp

Why would you give me health anxiety like that, Lainon? I want to die in a fire now unless I'm able to remove it from my body and nuke the entire cat population to prevent its further spread.

>>15186 Development is underway for drugs that fight the infection at University of Michigan, University of Oregon, and McMaster university http://www.stanleyresearch.org/patient-and-provider-resources/toxoplasmosis-schizophrenia-research/treatment-approaches-to-toxoplasmosis-and-schizophrenia/ Everything will be ok Lainon. The infection is believed to be implicated in anxiety disorders as well Maybe all of our suffering will be brought to an end soon. Is this the answer we have needed? The one we have waited so long for?

>>15190 I don't understand, how long does it persist in the human body? Are billions of people going to have to take anti-schizo medicine to get rid of it?

>>15195 Forever, it's also responsible for slowing down your reaction time and is linked to car crashes due to it. The only reason i know about it is being a tryhard competitive gamer. Report was making rounds good decade ago since it was the first serious threat to cause permanent brainlag.

>>15195 1. Yes, forever for probably most cases. 2. Billions? No. Millions? Possibly, if they elect to do so. Many people carry it and have little or no symptoms, or no harmful symptoms. Schizophrenia drugs? No, unlikely. Currently the drug with the best results so far is a malaria medication. Antipsychotics have not yet shown strong results in eradicating the infection

>>15198 Can you actually threat it on chronic patients? Thought would be same way as chronic lyme. Sits too deep as a chronic illness for meds to reach and will flare up again.

>>15197 Research in psychiatry is beginning to suggest that “mental illnesses” (depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, etc.) are a result of diseases that cause slight inflammation in the brain. The immune system’s reaction to T. Gondii is believed to cause neuro-inflammation in many individuals. Essentially, the parasite may be linked to a large number of behavioral issues >>15199 I don’t know. Researchers are working on finding a drug that can kill the parasite

>>15200 Remember reading long ago already about inflammation in general causing brain issues. Wasn't even directly diseases but soykafty diet causing inflammation. I.E. too much sugar.

I... what. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3310043/

oh contraire; we've found what's helping us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PudIj0RVEEQ

>>15203 I'm not even going to bother watching that

>>15185 Stop using AMP links. https://www.sciencealert.com/mind-altering-cat-parasite-linked-to-schizophrenia-in-largest-study-yet

>>15208 oh it's basically this philosopher giving an argument that schizophrenia is a product of modern society's ignorance with dealing with shamans and that with enough insight one suffering with schizophrenic traits can be better off than the mentally well in dealing with this world

>>15211 Listening to it this isn't exactly it. His point is shizo isn't a disease, society merely classifies all kinds of norm deviation as such because it is seen as undesirable nowadays while old times these people would have been praised shamans. The essential argument isn't unique. This is the stuck in a local optimum in gradient descend problem where you need to shake it up to find better solutions. In this scope shizos are supposed to be doing exactly that.

>>15212 that's a lovely way of putting it

>>15210 Thank you, AMP is trash

>>15212 Hoo boy if you've ever had a loved one with it you'd know it's undesirable as hell. Constant terrifying paranoid delusions. People screaming at you that they hate you while you're trying to sleep. Seeing groups of people following you everywhere. Totally non-functional without meds. The whole noble-savage shaman thing is nice to think about I guess, but I guarantee you it would still be miserable. Schizophrenia is really a big ol' umbrella term like you say. There's not really much understanding about it, and it likely describes a range of different issues. Depends on one's definition of disease, but it's definitely not a normally functioning brain. But seriously, it's not mythical or in any way romantic. It's not Donnie Darko. It's terror. Maybe it would change somewhat in a different cultural context, but I think it would still basically be stoking delusions and your fight-or-flight instinct and generally would make you a nervous wreck. Maybe others could derive something from your suffering, use you as some kind of shaman so to speak--but it would still kick dead whales down the beach for the schizoaffective person.

>>15228 I think the underlying theme is increased neuroplasticity. The negative traits you mention are made more likely but they are not a necessary outcome just as in reverse normal people can develop such traits at any stage even if much less likely. The defining element remains the enviroment of the person. In that aspect the shaman idea has one solid point - take them early in and train them specific to accustom for it. Mental fortitude would be in general a good subject to train kids in. We got increasingly more adept models to influence people and they should get adequate armament against it.

Regarding schizophrenia. Sapolsky points out in this class* that schizophrenia is not good but something close to the mid-term, schizotypal (ST) people, is very useful to society as it relates to religion. Basically he says schizophrenics (SC) are akin to outliers of ST and STs are the one that build religions as they are very ritualistic and know the time and place for those rituals which can potentially become religions in the right time and place. *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwAQqWUkpI

>>15232 There is no increased neuroplasticity in schizophrenia

>>15200 So, as someone with mental illness who has a cat & grew up with a cat in the house... Would it be possible to obtain pyrimethamine (the drug currently used to treat T. Gondii & malaria) and administer it in small doses to myself? It'd be fascinating to document if there are any improvements.

>>15237 Truthfully, it you have been diagnosed with schizophrenia then your best bet would be to contact one of the universities and inquire about enrolling in a drug trial. Alternatively check clinicaltrials.gov and see if any studies are enrolling. T. Gondii is really not a lot to worry about unless your mother was exposed during pregnancy, or you were exposed during infancy or very early childhood and you have psychosis or possibly some other severe mental disorders. Taking experimental drugs unsupervised is usually very unsafe and never a good idea

>>15237 >>15240 Oh, you have mental illness. My eyes are a bit poo. The advice still stands. I think it’s possible to have a blood test for the antibodies to see if you are even a carrier, but I’m not sure what the ‘deets on that are

>>15232 Being schizophrenic is the diametric opposite of mental fortitude. It's not really something you can just grit your teeth at.

>>15234 This suggests it: >The researchers discovered that in most people, a part of the brain known as the superior temporal gyrus — involved in auditory processing — is highly connected to brain regions involved in sensory perception and motor control. >However, in patients who developed psychosis, the superior temporal gyrus became more connected to limbic regions, which are involved in processing emotions. This could help explain why patients with schizophrenia usually experience auditory hallucinations, the researchers say. They got a distinct different rewiring that normally shouldn't occur.

>>15242 I mean to be fair I was psychotic to the point of hospitalization and everyone thought I was a lost cause but then I did some soul searching and took some acid and studied some religion and I still hear voices and all that jazz but like I've learned to live with it. not saying it can be expected of everyone with that sort of issue but I am saying that it's possible to live in a world where you perceive reality differently from everyone else and still function enough, whatever that means.

>>15185 Was literally thinking about adopting a cat this weekend because I'd finally forgotten about this, and now I can't. People always think I'm telling them a conspiracy theory whenever I bring this up.

>>15248 >>15232 >>15211 >>15203 You do realize that there are people so severely schizophrenic that they can’t even speak meaningful sentences. And/or shuffle around and stare into space all day while hallucinating terrifying things beyond imagination. No job, no aspirations, nothing. This is a beacon on the hill for these people. This is not about critical theory and society. Schizophrenia is a bona fide disease that damages the body

>>15253 eh. it's all where you put boundaries. if you wanna think it's so hard and fast then you will. I've known many schizos in my day (even one catatonic) and they're like that when they're either tired of this world or heavily medicated. the real problem is that they're on such a different wavelength that when they're unmedicated it's nearly impossible to comprehend their problems let alone help them. I'm not gonna say my experiences are everyone's but I've been told I've showed the symptom of "word salad" (your example of not being able to speak meaningful sentences). it didn't feel like word salad. it just felt like they weren't trying to understand. granted speaking and listening goes both ways but still. idk. yeah I guess my point is that things aren't so hard and fast. I don't think they are at least.

>>15249 > People always think I'm telling them a conspiracy theory whenever I bring this up. This

>>15256 >>15249 Had once a dude getting angry enough to get violent because he was so insulted by me thinking him stupid enough to believe my story of something so absurd as a liger existing... at least youtube on smartphone did the job. Was concerned if he would claim it's just CGI

>>15248 Interestingly there's some inklings of data that might suggest LSD is therapeutic for schizophrenics, perhaps even in the very long term. It's hard to say yet though, since research around drugs like that is still pretty taboo or at least too controversial and biased one way or the other. But I don't think many schizophrenic people would be amenable to doing some 'soul searching' on acid. That's a tall order when your life is already in that state. It sounds like you're pretty neurotypical. I mean I'm sorry, call me cynical, but I've grown to really doubt people on the internet claiming to have some kind of diagnosis like this because it's so often made up and I've witnessed people in reality with this stuff and it's way different than most people seem to think, the kind of urban myth perception of schizophrenia.

>>15190 That's good, at least. Is this something present with all cats? I've been worried about this ever since I've heard of it, but I have no idea if I'm affected by it or not. Supposedly toxoplasmosis desensitizes you to the smell of cat soykaf, but the smell still makes me retch despite having my cat for 13+ years and my sense of smell being poor.

>>15263 just get your cat checked if you're worried. Ontopic found more fun: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2018.0822 >Risky business: linking Toxoplasma gondii infection and entrepreneurship behaviours across individuals and countries

>>15260 Where did you find that information? >>15255 The real problem is that they have schizophrenia. There are effectively no benefits to having schizophrenia in modern society. It is entirely detrimental. This is all pretty ignorant frankly. Suicide rates remain higher in the schizophrenic population than the average. Average life expectancy is something like 20 years shorter >>15249 >>15256 Unfortunately anti-intellectualism is common. Not sure if I have much else to contribute. Just wanted to see if people new any more than I did.

>>15247 Also I said no increased. Not “strictly none”

>>15265 http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html Old study from just before the stigmatization. Notice that it's admittedly not properly rigorous or controlled, since the study was essentially left incomplete. Still somewhat interesting, and probably worth further examination at the very least.

Existence is hurting you. Stop distracting yourself and face the truth.