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If we're meant to escape the cyclical nature of war then aren't we also meant to escape the cyclical nature of human sociality? Are we not meant to become independent of others are we are meant to become independent of past cycles of mistakes? Many call for the embrace of cycles on that social level, yet I've never heard any call for it on the scale of societal mistakes (e.g. war, corruption). Thoughts Lain? I'm frankly really confused about this myself.

We should strive to become independent of others, as in, spreading the meme self awareness, that using majority opinion as reasoning is a fallacy, of always being detached enough from others and communities that, if ever one sees soykafty reasoning and bad actions, one should get away and lead their identity somewhere else. So not being a sheep, basically. Many have advocated for this many times before. The anarchist movement is the best place to point at when I think of examples. One of the most prominent self proclaimed anarchists, Noam Chomsky, famously says that one should read the documents he mentions for himself instead of believing his words. BadMouse, an ex-anarchist youtuber, made a video, asking people why they consider themselves who they are politically, if it is really for the arguments and shared ambition of its advocates, or if its just for being part of things aesthetically, following friends and trends. The most emblematic thing I can think of also is the novel snowcrash, where it creates a whole mithology surrounding the Babel Tower, where humans at the beginning could merelly follow orders, a computer, and programmers were the ones able to read the code and interface with it, thus being able to think for themselves. A sci-fi metaphor for self awareness and reasoning. Unfortunatelly, it seems this myth has a lot of truth to it, it seems the human psyche has hard wired memetic copying instead of reasoning, only few are able to break the cycle. Social isolation is a threat that many psyches are not in the mood of stepping into it seems. I could be less vague and sound less edgy, but it would require typing out examples, too much work. But this is just me rambling, Im not even sure if your post really talks about this, lol. Sorry, I just have just asked for you to elaborate further... If you are still there, Lainon.

>>14862 Hello, this is lainon. While I do appreciate this post, lainon, you were right in saying it's not really related. I'm talking about the more literal cycle in which people involve themselves in relationships hopefully, looking for completion, then time and time again see it fall down and go searching again. But maybe that's a personal issue, lol. I was referencing to how many seem to embrace this cycle rather than fight it. But as far as your post, I definitely agree. It's shocking how little of those who believe in something have actually researched the doctrine of said thing themselves. I would continue striving to be that little demographic. I like to think of people who try to separate themselves from the human condition, whether by my means, yours, or some other, as some kind of monk. One might not find happiness in separating themselves from their instincts but one can at least hope to find truth. There's my ramble

>yet I've never heard any call for it on the scale of societal mistakes (e.g. war, corruption). We've embraced economic cycles and the rise&falls of civilization likewise on a broader scale. Peace can't exist forever so war must be a cycle. The other issue is how everything needs a justification to exist. The war machine can't stop going fight wars if it wants to keep it's funding. In terms of relationships i would ask first how many really act as you describe. I don't think that many rotate frequently and among those who do you have to ask if they actually fail at their goal or get exactly what they want. If they chase stimulus then novelty is certainly an effective way and rotating has become easy with modern tools.

i think if violence and trauma cycles and is generational so are the crimes. the benefits of war are inescapable, even to leave the country is a benefit stolen. so i live accordingly and try to make up for it. people talk about it in terms of guilt always, and about how "how is it my fault for what happened generations ago" as if it was about fault and whos wrong and right. I just think its something you are supposed to do, I think its a big weakness that we have come to expect and even equate with fairness being free from the crimes of our ancestors. Even though to do so always involves another group not being free from the victimhood of theirs. im not sure if its what your talking about but I see a link between this and when you talk about societal mistakes. I think societal mistakes require societal dedication to making things right and providing some justice. I dont think any laws should be enacted necessarily or anything like that. But it shouldnt be seen as logical or fair to be free from what you benefit from. It certainly doesnt benefit anyone, not even yourself long term. As you imply the cycles do cycle societally, and it comes back around. Its far easier for the person who is already on the dealing end of the violence to break it. They often have established a societal monopoly on the violence anyways.