Julian Assange

I'd like to discuss the Julian Assange affair with you guys. How do you feel about his arrest? Aren't you creeped out by how far-reaching the influence of authorities is? Chomsky on his arrest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdDp4mHDRY Good Morning Britain interview with Assange's dad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8HelJ9vN1I That last video is a reupload by myself. I was upset that the comments on the original upload are disabled, that we can't have public discourse about this. That's what pushed me to reupload, and to make this thread as well. Please share your thoughts.

Not really creeped out. It is not like they gained a new power.

it is all over

everything about government and the way people talk about it creeps me out. also your reupload already got taken down lol

>>13778 I don't have any feelings about his arrest ? Police states are police states, and he always had the agenda to get into the political influence game, and when you get into that game, you can make powerful friends but also powerful enemies. If he wanted to avoid this, then he should have finished his degree or gotten a European university grant or exchange and continued to postgraduate studies in mathematics when the USA military's funding for his colleagues research ran out unless they were willing to extend scope, instead of attending to conflating the free distribution of information with his own personal agenda and motivations for power, influence and control and ignoring his responsibilities as a father to all his children by being incarcerated in the Ecuadorian embassy or living a nomadic lifestyle which made regular visitation difficult nevermind actually raising or mentoring his offspring. In an interview in 2014, He said it had been very, very hard on his family and that was his only regret about the whole situation.” "Often I sat in large groups and listened to Julian boast about how many children he had fathered in various parts of the world," Domschiet-Berg claimed. "He seemed to enjoy the idea of lots and lots of Julians, one on every continent. Whether he took care of any of these alleged children, or whether they existed at all, was another question." According to a source that spoke to the New Yorker, however, the claim that the cat was a gift from his children was a lie. "Julian stared at the cat for about half an hour, trying to figure out how it could be useful, and then came up with this: Yeah, let’s say it’s from my children. For a time, he said it didn’t have a name because there was a competition in Ecuador, with schoolchildren, on what to name him. Everything is PR - everything," the source said. His choices and actions lead to the position he finds himself in. He did the crime of breaching his bail , he should do the time for that crime. His original handle was Latin for deceitful, lying, deceptive, untruthful, false, mendacious, feigned, not real.

>>13786 >He did the crime of breaching his bail , he should do the time for that crime. Peak statism

>>13784 I lol'd.

>>13784 Superb work lain

>>13786 I feel like you are being a bit of a wage slave. You start trying to win people over by calling the UK a police state, but then you start pinning it on Assange himself, as if he's being irresponsible even though he did what had to be done. And looking at the etymology of his name is terrible rhetoric, don't do that.

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/local-punk-still-needs-clarification-on-whether-julian-assange-is-good-guy-or-bad-guy/

>>13786 >He did the crime of breaching his bail , he should do the time for that crime. I thought the US is charging him with basic CFAA for helping Manning crack a hash. >>13778 >Aren't you creeped out by how far-reaching the influence of authorities is? He's cunted off literally everyone in the Western world at this point. What do you expect. At least they're shoving him through the legal system for a legit crime instead of putting plutonium in his ice cream or something.

>>13801 I lol'd

>>13800 I am not trying wage slave anything, e.g. I am not trying to win people over. Police states are police states all over the world, it is a tautological definition. I didn't say the UK was a police state, but it is definitely a surveillance state (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_Kingdom), with over 4000,000 millions cameras according to the attached report preview from BSIA (British Security Industry Association). He did what he believed had to be done, he did what he choose to do. Which isn't the same thing as "doing what had to be done. " And doing what had to be done isn't a justification for lack of accountability for the consequences. Nor does it provide a justification of the ends justify the means. When he was arrested for actual computer crime in his youth, he didn't do jail time instead The Australian Federal Police tapped Assange's phone line (he was using a modem), raided his home at the end of October, and eventually charged him in 1994 with thirty-one counts of hacking and related crimes. In December 1996, he pleaded guilty to twenty-five charges (the other six were dropped), and was ordered to pay reparations of A$2,100 and released on a good behaviour bond. The perceived absence of malicious or mercenary intent and his disrupted childhood were cited to justify his lenient penalty. As per the quote in my earlier post Everything is PR - everything," the source said. , the attending the trial, the being released on bail, the seeking asylum, all Julian's actions were chosen for numerous reasons including how they looked from a PR angle. He choose his handle for that reason, he bragged about it to others at the time, if have read the book attached in the first post and Julian's own blog posts, you would understand that I am not trying to criticize Julian for his actions or quote rhetoric. I was just saying he has made his bed and now he lies in it. Plenty people of that are focused on career or political aspirations are irresponsible parents , for example John Lennon, Steve Jobs, Charlie Sheen, Stalin, Bing Crosby , etc, Does the ends justify the means ? How long is a piece of string ? To quote Dylan, The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind. But that doesn't invalidate your feelings, you can feel what you like.

>>13807 I feel like you are constantly going between "The treatment he is getting is understandable considering the undermined the authority of several countries." and "he deserves what he got because he committed a crime." Which one is the side you are on? What was the "means" Assange used that would cast a shadow on his "ends". He is not the one that murdered journalists by lighting em up with a plane nor he was the one that covered it up. Considering the things he has done yes he had it coming but that doesn't mean he deserved it. Unless you subscribe to the arbitrary rules and laws of those who are in power implement to protect themselves.

>>13808 You feel lots of different things. You seem to be supposing / associating / project feelings and thoughts on what I have typed, that are not there, but you interpret them to be there so for you they are. I am not on a side, as I said in my original post, I don't have any feelings about his arrest. The points I made in first post where 1. When one chooses to play the political influence game, (geopolitics, politics, big business, information distribution and presenting the narrative, information management, espionage) the is a price of admission, just like poker tournaments have admission fees and small and big blinds. This itself is such a trope , they patronized in variety of television shows (Burn Notice, Get Smart, The West Wing, House of Cards, Yes Minister). 2. That people's choices and actions influence how their life turns out, you can't choose everything that life throws at you, but you do choose how to respond to it. We are human beings, not oysters or filter feeders relying on the tides to bring our food to us. 3. That the Rule of Law works both ways. You can't just do illegal things and expect to not caught or be slapped with a small fine / or a slap on the wrist. Yes you can argue that the legislation is wrong, and that the legal system is wrong and that the people with political power / influence can game or cheat the system, but doesn't erode the concept of the rule of law being bilateral. Actions have consequences, it isn't about power and politics it is just Netwon's 3rd law of motion That for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, if object A exerts a force on object B, then object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A. The whole concept of people deserving something is a artificial concept. The supposed human rights that every human deserves, don't make much sense without their associated responsibilities that individual needs to uphold in order to not only deserve their own rights, but also not suppress or destroy the rights of others. But most the documentation about rights and deserving justice doesn't feature an appendix with a list of responsibilities. Does that help clarify your understanding of what I have written / typed ? Please note I have said nothing about the previous alleged assault charges or the recent US CFAA extradition charges.

>>13812 Just jumping in at random here, The rule of law != Newton's third law of motion QED stop trying to use physics to make yourself sound smart and justify your sympathy for authoritarianism. Either state it plainly, and in your own words or do not state it at all.

>>13812 I wasn't trying to project my feelings or put words in your mouth, rather conveying what I understood of your text so you could confirm or correct me. Although now I see why I didn't understand it right off the bat. Because it's just word salad. You aren't really saying anything at all.

>>13813 Thanks for the random jump in, did you want dance ? I didn't say the rule of law and Newton's third law of motion were equivalent. I am not using physics to make myself sound anything. >>13812. I am saying lots of things, but evidently your request for other's thoughts and public discourse in your OP, was a false request, so I will disengage and let you believe your existing beliefs and narrative and not try and answer your questions in good faith. Have a nice day.