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Secret societies thread. Are you part of one? Have you ever wanted to join one? What do you think of them? What do you like or dislike? What are your favorite secret societies? I've become very intrigued about Freemasonry and that lead me to my curiosity of secret societies at large, I feel like they're a good framework to build upon contacts and meeting interesting people with similar mentality. I would join a Lain sect to be honest. Also, it's funny how the symbol for Knights of the Eastern Calculus is a parody of Freemasonry, makes me wonder if any of the people that worked on Lain was one.

I know a few masonic channels if your interested OP, We can discuss forming a Society group too if your interested. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnKjPlQhBbSNSDwK2ljmKRw/videos

In my honest opinion most secret societies that aren't a joke or one off goal oriented thing are in actuality like a cult that is oriented around religion or some moral abstract goals that elitists in high places like to take. So, "lain sect" wouldn't work for many reasons, same thing like what with Cicada 3301 happened, they kinda just fissled out when people figured out that they're just a spy org looking for free workers in crypto.

>>12742 This is very interesting, thanks for the link, I'm barely getting to know about Freemasonry >>12743 Well, I understand that the religious or moral component is kind of needed when talking about cults or secret societies, like Freemasonry requiring a belief in a superior entity. However, do you not think Cicada 3301 would have worked if it had used the moral of free speech and open source software as its objectives? Much like WikiLeaks does with its anonymous whistleblowers.

>>12745 WikiLeaks isn't a secret society though, they don't have secret meetings, or communication, or really anything that makes a society, secret or otherwise. They just have a wiki website that is contributed to by anonymous people. I don't think the morals of FOSS would be strong enough to keep a secret society together. When secret societies are created, they need to have a reason to be secret, but they also need that reason to be strong enough to keep them going through all of the annoying hoops one needs to jump through to be that secretive. The definition of society can also vary wildly here. Is a secret hactivist IRC channel a secret society?

>>12745 >d if it had used the moral of free speech and open source software as its objectives? it did try, kinda, it's really good at getting people, but like all groups of interest, it's hard at keeping them.

> the symbol for Knights of the Eastern Calculus is a parody of Freemasonry Ackshully... both orders, one real and one fictional, are styled after the Knights Templar. Some conspiracy theories insists that the modern day masons are the Knights Templar or at least are what evolved from them when the original order was supposed to be dissolved. It's not really a parody.

>>12745 >However, do you not think Cicada 3301 would have worked if >if I love these what if questions, almost bends reality to my fantasy

>>12748 There is still a catholic spin off of the knights templar, but it seems like an excuse to just dress up in templar robes and have potluck dinners. the REAL catholic secret society is the jesuit order, responsible for a majority of the major world changes, including being the ideological basis for a number of the early explorers of america, and radicals such as guy fawks.

There are a few in my town dedicated to art. I stumbled into one with a friend once, it all seemed very planed, like we where never had the choice, but they decided we should be there. Couldn't really get much out of anyone, but atleast I found out I wasn't supposed to tell anyone and that they weren't the only once

The illuminati always seemed interesting to me, though i had dont little investigation. From what i heard they were the first anarchists when the church and not the state was the big man.

>>12752 The church was never the big man. They had influence.

>>12753 They sure were during the middle ages, commanded invasions and inquisitions, the kings of the time were at their mercy, except for barbarossa but even his empire didnt last.

>>12754 the kings were not.

>>12751 That sounds pretty cool actually, what kind of art did they do?

>>12746 I'm aware of WikiLeaks not being a secret society, I just found their philosophy relevant to one with the whole anonymous thing going on. >Is a secret hactivist IRC channel a secret society? This is an interesting question, I think that a secret society would include real life activities though. Even then, Freemasonry is more like a society with secrets than a secret society, because it's open for almost everyone to join. A hacktivist group which also does some kind of political stuff irl that holds rituals would count as one in my opinion.

Anybody here? I want to know more about (((them)))

>>12753 >The church was never the big man. They had influence. the church used to manipulate all the countries in Europe. The Vatican had one of the worlds greatest cryptographic departments for many years, and they would break codes and provide intelligence (real or fabricated) to manipulate leaders to do what they wanted. >>12761 iirc there used to be some eco-hacktivists or something with a ToR blog, I dont know if they were actually a "secret society" I think a secret society is a "society" becasue of its customs and rites (i.e. hand shakes, symbols, stories, proverbs, songs/sayings, and or clothing including rank within the society) The poet yeats was part of an occult club called the order of the golden dawn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn >The Golden Dawn system was based on hierarchy and initiation like the Masonic lodges; however women were admitted on an equal basis with men. The "Golden Dawn" was the first of three Orders, although all three are often collectively referred to as the "Golden Dawn". The First Order taught esoteric philosophy based on the Hermetic Qabalah and personal development through study and awareness of the four Classical Elements as well as the basics of astrology, tarot divination, and geomancy. The Second or "Inner" Order, the Rosae Rubeae et Aureae Crucis (the Ruby Rose and Cross of Gold), taught magic, including scrying, astral travel, and alchemy. The Third Order was that of the "Secret Chiefs", who were said to be highly skilled; they supposedly directed the activities of the lower two orders by spirit communication with the Chiefs of the Second Order. >The foundational documents of the original Order of the Golden Dawn, known as the Cipher Manuscripts, are written in English using the Trithemius cipher. The manuscripts give the specific outlines of the Grade Rituals of the Order and prescribe a curriculum of graduated teachings that encompass the Hermetic Qabalah, astrology, occult tarot, geomancy, and alchemy.

i remember one time my dad said a friend he worked with was a freemason and told him of this weird ritual about being blindfolded and doing stuff with a live goat.

>>12761 >This is an interesting question "Does X fit Y definition?" is the most uninteresting kind of question you can ask.

>>12919 And this is the most uninteresting thing you could have contributed to the thread

>>12748 Actually actually it's a spoof on the knights of the lambda calculus. Secret societies are actually very easy. Most people don't bother because they have the idea that it's silly to have all the rituals and objects if there's no ancient heritage or meaning to the assembly. It's a nice fantasy to live though so if someone is renting or lending a private room each month for an assembly that also means wine or other fine things there's plenty of people that'll wear a robe for the occasion. Of course that means money but the truth is a secret society without a cause is just a more exclusive country club. A cause means something to rally your members. But if you're a secret activist group pooling their means to operate but that can't really spare much for bells and whistles you're just underground activists, not a cool society. Plus it's hard to find a cause you're willing to invest yourself in that much and that is seductive enough to attract others. Most people have slight disagreements on details and would rather just have discussions in a less sectarian environment. That's why most societies are cult or religion based.

>>12905 Thats fascinating, do you know of any other organizations involved in magic?

>>13025 There's the Pythagorean cults, the Illuminates of Thanateros, the Martinists, the Order of Nine Angles, Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth, and the Ordo Templi Orientis.

>>12919 It is a philosophical question that ponders on simple logical thought forms that drive the underlying ways that humans think in politics, economics and science. IT IS A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION. Your comment is really uninteresting however.