Doomer general

Any other doomers on this board? Whether you think our impending doom will be the result of climate change, economic collapse, aliens or some other unknown danger, post here. Bonus question: How, if at all, did your discovery of the doomosphere change your views on life? Personally, I stopped giving a soykaf about 90% of the stuff I used to care about when I accepted the fact that abrupt climate change is gonna kill us all. Now, I just grind in school, drink soykafloads of alcohol on the weekends, hang with my friends to smoke weed and fuarrrk random girls. Not fulfilling in the slightest, but I need something to take my mind off the collapse of capitalism and the biosphere.

I don't think the world will end after the next recession, but I think it will appear that way due to the panic and anger that will develop. My response is to read books on philosophy, particularly staying positive in times of hardship. Also, scaling down my belongings. Fortunately, I have lots of books and writing and drawing are hobbies of mine. Should the bad times truly come, I will have hobbies that don't require a hige amount by way of technology and are relatively portable. I'll be able to continue if I'm too broke to go out or if I'm homeless. A lot of homeless fall in to drug use because of the huge expanses of time they need to fill up. Hopefully that wouldn't happen to me.

Rome didnt fall in a day. Neither will the world we live in. I have much more to say on the matter a bit later but for now realize that while it is fun to day dream about an impending collapse, it simply will not happen in the way so many often romanticize it.

I kinda like the idea of Solarpunk. It caters to my apocalypse fantasies, but with positive encouragement. soykaf's gonna be fuarrrked up but we have choices. I am researching building a grey water wetland for the waste water coming from kitchen/laundry/bathroom (sans toilet, of course).

I think that when something like a big recession happens and certain food and tech items become scarce, people will wake up from the dream of "rights and freedom" into a more simple dream of "merit and force". If you are not actually helping the economy not to fall apart, you are not needed. This includes people who just own and lease things (govt seizure), people with disabilities who don't meaningfully work, useless business-manager-glue people, the entertainment and luxury industry. These people will lose their jobs and income and either have family who takes care of them, or riot. However since the majority has just woken up from the dream, they now don't give a flying fuarrrk and have no empathy for them, so they get put down; if there's no other way, then violently by a swiftly growing police/military state.

>>11335 So, basically the USSR

>>11336 More like less delusional people living off other delusional people's delusions.

It's a bit hard for me to imagine large-scale rioting even in a deep recession or depression. I don't recall that happening in the US during the Great Depression and I don't think the major riots of the past 100 years or so happened due to economic factors so much as social factors. Also, the advent of mobile devices means more in the way of social opiates for the masses (so to speak, metaphorically) I suspect we'll see individual outbursts of violence but not sustained civil disorder. There will be more tensions between those with homes and the homeless. Populism will rise due to social frustrations, boosting alternative social ideas. I expect an increase in religion and spirituality/pseudo-spirituality to compensate for emotional duress. I don't quite see sustained violence just yet.

>>11337 so, basically the USSR

>>11342 the Great Depression led to civil war in Germany.

>>11318 I am training physically and eating healthy while there are still fresh fruits and vegetables on store shelves. I will pull my weight when we revert back to a medieval society.

a little story about me >be inna junior high school >learn about animals n' sheit >learn that such thing as carrying capacity exists >hmmiwonder.exe >start looking at world resources >realize all of society is propped up on finite resources that are propped up on other finite resources >realize industries keep meming themselves as the future to keep people interested >realize that through all the lies, we are probably going to run out in 20 years Thanks to my fuarrrked up health, All i do is wageslave for money that I put into retirement, and I keep learning skills to stay relevant in case anything happens. When I was in High school around 10 years ago, I learned that Israel/Palestine was pretty fuarrrked because they get their water from a finite non renewable source, so the whole arab-israeli conflict is going to boil over once the environment becomes to inhospitable for people to have drinking water. Population is a major threat to everyone's way of life, and unless people stop having babies, every country will end up with food stress and water stress which will cause ~10% or more of the worlds population to become migrant-refugees in the next hundred years. Buckle up lains, it is going to be a wild ride!

>>11373 Just to add on to your post, no one has mentioned disease. In the US, cases of mosquito-borne illnesses are rising and in the past 10 years there were at least two scares regarding types of flu for which there was no widespread immunity. On top of that the Center for Disease Control has been beating the drum about antibiotic resistant bacteria for a while now. There's been at least one case where the bacteria were so resistant, the doctors opted to cut the man's leg off as the best option. Basically, the human population is extremely dense right now. If the right disease comes along, or a group of them, serious fatalities will occur. This may be Nature's way of turning off the valve, so to speak. Perhaps once enough people die there will be resources to go around. Of course, afterwards humanity will have to contend with the inevitable braindrain as a result. Society will probably take several steps backwards before building up again.

>abrupt climate change This one is the one I think is most likely to end humanity. Major corporations and governments have an incentive to stop themselves from getting nuked or from dying of disease. But the causes of climate change are the very things needed for them to maintain their power.

>>11453 >bu-bu-but muh coal jobs lainon!!! I would not call it abrupt... people wrote books about the effects of man made pollutants on the environment including industrial and agricultural chemicals as far back as the mid to late 1900s, but nobody listened. People also dont understand that "eco friendly" policies are just as bad if not worse, because they cause outsourcing of pollution (to 3rd world where people don't give a fuarrrk- chinese rice supplies commonly tainted with tungsten), or worse introduce more harmful substances (i.e. Tesla cars recurring hazardous substances to be created, and unsustainable mining operations for chemical batteries that people think are an energy source when actually they are just energy carriers, and in some cases moving away from gas has caused areas to up their coal consumption to support the demand for electrical use instead of gas use). That in conjunction with GMO and chemical pesticides/herbicides means that there are vast crop failures bound to happen (some have already started). then you also have human migration when resources run out, which plays into >>11376. While climate change is the visible nexus of global problems in our current decade, it possessive causative factors of uncontrolled consumerism and pollution ,with resulting effects of migration, famine, disease and increases in natural disaster severity through changing climate patterns. tl:dr just wait until climate change causes all the other bad things to happen

>>11376 >Of course, afterwards humanity will have to contend with the inevitable braindrain as a result. Society will probably take several steps backwards before building up again. yeah but >tfw the only people to survive will be the zucc, musk, and amazon 'n frenz because of their billion dollar prepper bunkers and probably private militias that they unironically built so they can survive when all the plebs die off. A global human catastrophe on the scale you describe would skew the resource distribution further towards the extremes of haves and have nots.

>>11456 That's very true, but Zuck, Bezos and co. aren't the only smart people out there, just the richest. Based on that, I think the point on braindrain still stands. Zuck in particular idolizes one the Roman emperors (Augustus, I think?) Basically, if there is some global apocalypse and he survives, he's going to bring back some kind of variant of a feudal society where he's the king directing the people. If Bezos and others survive as well, then we'll see more of these city-states. This returns to the point of a step backward in civilization.

>>11455 on a geological time scale, it's very abrupt. We're already seeing mass extinction. But, for us humans, climate change will always remain that big thing that's just kinda happening and we have to just kinda deal with it. Can't be stopped. >>11456 Meh, they'll just be the Byzantine Emperors. Clinging to a dead past with their wealth and glory, while other people do the real soykaf.

>>11455 >I would not call it abrupt I suppose that depends on when you start counting. The planet has had periods of extreme temperature change in only a decade. But human society had much longer to understand that climate change is a problem.

>There's been at least one case where the bacteria were so resistant, the doctors opted to cut the man's leg off as the best option. Oh soykaf, really? I had no idea about this. Is our technology going to become so irrelevant that we'll just have to revert to medieval methods of medecine? Of course I cant wait for when society collapses into yet another dark age, and the catholic church becomes an organization of floppy disk reading techno-priests, who spread knowledge of the technology from the old world through a comically misinformed religious mythology based interpretation of our history

>>11522 The Emperor Protects! I cant wait for all of humanity to undergo biotransference fleeing from the confluence of extinction factors in the coming soykafstorm. Hooray for zombie robot space egyptians! I am down for being uploaded into an immortal form of living metal at the price of my so called "soul".

>>11522 Here's a page Igoogle'd up real quick. For more information you want to find a PBS documentary called something similar to "The Hunt for the Nightmare Bug" Quick info https://kentmcguirelaw.com/amputation-and-superbugs-serious-concerns/ PBS Show (I think) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/

>>11376 Id agree with this assessment. History is vital in showing how populations grow and shrink. There will be a shrinking event in our life times, prepare for an untimely and unwelcome death my friends. The mind never wishes to see itself dying, but your chances of survival are low and especially if you are a loner. History will always repeat itself.

>>11543 it actually strongly depends on the kind of problems that happen. For instance, when the bubonic plague broke out in Europe, cities and large towns were the worst hit. Isolated villages and people were less likely to catch the disease because of less contact with others. There's safety in numbers sure but not safety in *large* numbers, I'd say.

>>11547 This is what scares me regarding a plague of some sort. I fully appreciate the sense of community in small town life, but if a plague breaks out tomorrow, the survivors are likely to be in rural, often very religious areas and it seems likely that there will not be a science-based outlook from them when the dust settles. A lot of knowledge could be ignored or lost if the cities drop first.

I used to frequent a couple of prepper and survivalist boards that have since died. I've got a lot of books on the subject, but I've been having trouble posting files here.

>>11596 The cities are liberal and liberals have a history of censoring science whenever it disproves their politics and generally showing no more respect for science than the most die-hard Bible thumper. The best chance of getting reasonable discussion lies with suburbia. Lain help us.

>>11616 Speak for your own country. In mine, it's consistently been conservative governments who gagged or defunded scientists they didn't like. Most scientists are liberals.

>>11598 Surely you could try and host them on a 3rd party site and link it here? mixtape.moe, mediafire or whatever works I guess.

>>11616 really hoping you mean actual liberals(both main US political parties) and not "Marxist liberals" ..but who am I kidding, you're probably one of those idiots who think their opinions are "science". >>11596 There are many major universities far from large cities. I think they'd be fine, there's a more broad spread of people living in the middle of nowhere than a lot of city folk think. You'd definitely see a major shrinkage of the gene pool though. Cities have way more genetic diversity, you'd lose a lot of it.

>>11617 >Most scientists are liberals. No current major political faction that I can see has any real respect for science. They've all tried to suppress research they didn't like. Saying that scientists are liberals has no real significance because liberals are currently the ones in power and scientists tend to go along with the beliefs of whoever currently has power in order to keep their funding, their jobs, and their lives. >>11625 really hoping you mean actual liberals(both main US political parties) and not "Marxist liberals" I can tell the difference between liberals and leftists. US politics is increasingly moving towards out-and-out fascism, as capitalist countries have often done when people start to realize that the system is unfair and unfree. >..but who am I kidding, you're probably one of those idiots who think their opinions are "science". This describes many people of all political opinions. Very few have ever attempted to assemble a scientific case for what they believe, preferring instead to only use ad hominem attacks because that's what most people respond to. Even when they actually do make an attempt at science, they often get it wrong. The academic community is just as beholden to politics as anyone else. Academia is full of this exact type of person.

>>11343 I just don't get why people like you want to associate everything with your irrelevant politics/history hobby.

>>11633 >liberals are currently the ones in power What..

>>11633 >Saying that scientists are liberals has no real significance because liberals are currently the ones in power and scientists tend to go along with the beliefs of whoever currently has power in order to keep their funding, their jobs, and their lives. Biologists and meteorologists continue to do their work despite cuts to their funding every time they say such-and-such industry will cause such-and-such bad thing.

Nuke China, India, African continent and USA. All your resource scarcity and climate change will go in a month.

I think I'm a zoomer.

>>11659 lmao a "socialist" who doesn't like the pirate bay, good one.

>>11659 >>11661 This Deviant Art level humour is almost cute in a way.

>>11662 >>11661 is fake btw, the original is actually written in english. http://stonetoss.com/comic/on-second-thought/

>>11666 Yes because holocaust revisionism is even more hilarious!

>>11667 >Yes because holocaust revisionism is even more hilarious! You're just literally proving the point of the comic. Someone says the Earth is flat or John Lennon was the president before Lincoln and you just laugh at his retarded ass. But the holocaust, that's serious fuarrrking business. The truth doesn't need this level of force.

>>11668 somehow 6+ million people dying is a lot harder to laugh about than some nut who thinks the earth is flat

>>11671 >somehow 6+ million people dying is a lot harder to laugh about than some nut who thinks the earth is flat How many people died in world war 1? We literally have TV sitcoms about it. The interesting thing about the holocaust is, it's an event in history, and a specific group of people will jump up and down and get very angry if you don't tell the story exactly the way that gives *them* the most benefit. It's not about reverence for the dead, it's all about power.

I'm trying to be a Lenin's "professional revolutionary" and this keeps me from going depressed af with climate change. I affiliated with the only decent revolutionary organization in my country and i'm working almost full-time to build up a militant jeuvenile structure. Strangely enough, until now it's been quite a success, and every time we do a big manifestation, occupy a school or do a succesfull mediatic action, i feel we are a little less closer to the abyss. Then i watch outside my little ambit, and realize how impotent we are. I realize how little we are and how big is the power. I realize that all of our work is nothing compared to the level of social conflict we had only 40/50 years ago, and they still manged to fuarrrk us in the ass back then. Probably the only hope is that the rich completely stops every single form of social assistance or welfare state before total environmental collapse, making people's contidion even worse than now, accelerating history and thus creating revolutionary conditions. But i doubt this will happen. Maybe OP's reaction is the clever one (watching evererything collapse, knowing that you'll probably be the last generation to enjoy this world). I'm stressed af, i really want back the time to drink with my friends, explore the Wired and stay with my girlfriend, and i feel that putting all this time and energy in an hopeless struggle is maybe a little stubborn. I'll try to go back to a normal life next year, if i can, but responsibility is quite an horrible thing, and i feel a lot of it towards the comrades i work with, and also i think i will not resist very much knowing what's going on around me and doing nothing to stop it. But i'll try. sorry for blogposting, but i really needed to vent.

>>11698 Did you mean (((them)))?

>>11318 >How, if at all, did your discovery of the doomosphere change your views on life? I'm starting to loose my faith in God, getting on the hedonist point of non return.

>>11809 >Did you mean (((them)))? Why would you have 3 higher order functions with zero arguments? Only idiots use 3 parenthesis like that.

>>11698 >How many people died in world war 1? We literally have TV sitcoms about it. How many people died of _? The reason the holocaust sticks out so much in our memories is that it was carried out with such malice. In a war, you can reasonably think "well that guy was shooting at me, so I shot him". In a death camp it's different. Cold-hearted murder is different. Burning down villages, slaughtering women and children is different. Genocide is worse than war. >The interesting thing about the holocaust is, it's an event in history, and a specific group of people will jump up and down and get very angry if you don't tell the story exactly the way that gives *them* the most benefit. So we should tell a false story, to give them less benefit? It's not like you have to deny the holocaust to think Israel shouldn't exist.

>>11698 >The interesting thing about the holocaust is, it's an event in history, and a specific group of people will jump up and down and get very angry if you don't tell the story exactly the way that gives *them* the most benefit. not unique at all. All of history is politicized. Just look at the bullsoykaf they pack into American history textbooks. Half of it is straight up lies, the other half is half-truths. Controlling the past is the easiest way for those in power to justify their power. Look at how completely pre-Christian European traditions were erased. Look at how evidence of native american genocide was suppressed. Look at how little people talk about the violent side of the Civil Rights movement, or the labor struggles. We wouldn't have the rights we have today without the violent radicals who fought for them. Never mind the outright lies American history textbooks tell about other countries. No, that is not an interesting fact about the Holocaust at all. If you're meaning to imply that taking a contrarian position is somehow "more true", well, that's like saying the earth is flat or people have never walked on the moon. There's so much evidence for the holocaust that denying it is denying reality itself. The stories that get weaved around it(the right of the Israeli state to impose itself on Palestine, for instance) are secondary.

>>11828 >No, that is not an interesting fact about the Holocaust at all. What's interesting about the holocaust is that you can watch it being suppressed in real time. All the examples of suppressed history you listed are completely inert. Telling people that Gandh's passive resistance didn't liberate soykaf will get you some raised eyebrows but nobody will lose their mind the way they do over the holocaust. So yes it is unique. >If you're meaning to imply... Don't strawman. I wrote what I wrote. >>11826 >So we should tell a false story, to give them less benefit? What are you even talking about? The punchline of the comic is that he can't even *think* about questioning the official narrative. Whether it's true or not is tangential to the anti-authoritarian message.

The world isn't ending any time soon. People have been thinking the world will end from various ways since the beginning of time. But we aren't going anywhere. Worst-case scenario we get hit by a catastrophic event and have to adjust, but humanity isn't just up and disappearing anytime in your lifetime. Also stop calling it doomers. Not thinking anything matters anymore because we are all going to die is some nihilist soykaf. When you call yourself a doomer you are associating yourself with the blackpill community, and you don't want to do that. Just be a fuarrrking nihilist and stop degenerating old ideas via regurgitation.

>>11845 While it's true humanity isn't going to just disappear barring a very unlikely nuclear war, the West is likely to if not fall, have to deal with the consequences of an increasingly drugged up mentally ill population and world pollution unlike what any civilization could've produced in the past. Saying the world is going to end is very Western-centric I agree, what would people in the jungles of Africa and SEA think of said statements? Even if a hypthotetical WW3 brings down the system as we know it, humans are still going to be around, but the embrace of civilization and Google have turned most humans into worthless hunter-gatherers if everything collapses.

>>11860 >the West is likely to if not fall, have to deal with the consequences of an increasingly drugged up mentally ill population and world pollution unlike what any civilization could've produced in the past No. The US will have to deal because those issues aren't really a thing anywhere else you'd consider west. The opioid epidemic, the obesity epidemic, china-level environmental laws, dystopian health care, insane urban planning etc - those are strictly American issues.

>>11903 A lot of issues are globally spread in highly urban areas. Anyone living in a dense city will be fuarrrked.

>>11860 >people in the jungles of Africa People don't live in jungles. FYI, more than half of Africa's population lives in cities. Everybody has a mobile phone. For example, in Zimbabwe, a country that's pretty poor even by African standards there's more mobile phones in use than there's people. Solar panels are everywhere. Africa's not a Hollywood movie.

>>11903 >china-level environmental laws, dystopian health care, - those are strictly American issues The biggest polution is still happening in 3rd world soykafholes that preduce for the west. We outsourced the trash but it's coming back longterm. India is dumping chemical waste from medicine production straight into the river and that goes into the sea. soykaf's so bad the animals who don't know better and drink from those rivers straight up die in them. I have no idea what this means longterm but i can't imagine it will be fine. The whole recycling industry is another big mess with zero safety. Longterm this will all spread through the sea & weather cycle to everywhere.

Ozone hole -> global warming -> climate changes, that's all load of crap to me. Earth will change even without our influence. Yall just choose easier approach, nihlism. Yall glorify being doomer, it is the cool kid in chan culture nowadays. You know - the one nit caring about soykaf, smoking cigs, i bet he doesnt tell mom whre he goes at night!

Btw 100 companies produce 80% of worlds CO2 so yeah i am not switching to bike or any of peoples silly trends because if even everyone in my country did it it would change nothing globally but i promote things like recycling, not litering and not burning trash in houses because those things change something locally

>>11956 Correct but not that simple. Suspended Solids destroy your lungs and cars are the main source in the city. So living in a city with less car traffic is still a good thing. Oh and before anyone thinks now village is save: the pesticide clouds from spraying the fields have the same effect on lungs if not greater. Read a publication with statistical evidence that villages can have increased cancer rates because winds push the pesticide cloud from the fields into the city.

>>11955 > that's all load of crap to me Welcome to Lainchan, we like science here. Just because something makes for a convenient excuse for lazy nihilism doesn't mean that thing isn't real to begin with.

>>11984 I don't deny that climate is changing, I totally believe that earth was just one giant ball of ice at one point. What I mean by bullsoykaf is that media want from us to change our behaviour to change something that is completely natural in life cycle of our planet. According to article from 2010 on ecocoalition.org half of air pollution in USA comes from factories, and I bet the actual number now is way higher, so I like to blame factories worldwide for state of things and that we - individuals - are in no way responsible. I am pretty oldfashioned about these matters and I dont follow any news, so if humanity is on the verge of dying by melted ice and I am last person in the world that doesnt know, inform me please (i am serious) I also fuarrrking despise consumerism, these factories practically dont do soykaf for me, so I am kinda double free from guilt from what is happening to our beloved mother earth :(

Why ozone hole stopped being a thing? They derezzed CFC. Why global warming stopped being a thing? Because it was actually getting colder in some places. Climate change is wider, more universal term. You can use it wherever and whenever needed. :)

I am not infallible, I may be wrong - if you wanna prove it please have sources - I like to read things and pretty much wont believe you without them. But as a guy replying to me said, yall like science here, so that cant be a problem rite?

>>11985 > so I am kinda double free from guilt At least you're honest about what's motivating your absurd rationalizations.

>>11987 You can't find THAT without help?

>>11989 that anon kind of has a point. if you want your environmentalism to actually be effective you'd want to target the consumerism that got us to this point rather than focusing on your personal impact on things.

>>11990 i am narrowminded, i dont see any major flaws in my thinking so i am not looking for sources to prove myself wrong lol but as i said i dont deny that maybe something, maybe everything i say is incorrect, i wait for your opinions and counterarguments - i wonder if YOU can deliver any >>11989 cmon talk to me if you know the topic better

>>11993 Here's the twist: if you deny that humans are causing climate change but accept that climate change is natural then you may as well be a doomer twice over. At least if it were artificial we'd have a chance of stopping it. If it's not our fault and still happening anyway, well we really are fvcked aren't we? >>11991 Uh... what is the difference between consumerism and one's personal impact on the world? What do you think is causing that impact?

>>12000 >At least if it were artificial we'd have a chance of stopping it I never got why people always think about it this way. They spend so much time arguing about whether it is caused by humans or not, when the question that actually matters is whether we can do something about it or not. Imagine if global warming was a natural process but we could build some sort of cloud seeding machinery or something to reverse it. It's not so crazy, for example most diseases are naturally caused but we have made great progress when it comes to polio, etc. Personally I think global warming is human caused but there is nothing we can do to stop it. Instead of stupid soykaf like windmills that have no chance of supplying a more than a tiny fraction of our energy (and too late to make much difference) we should be focused on preparing for the effects.

>>12057 because if we agree it's human fault, we can change our behaviour that causes it

>>12057 on the flip side: we should not be accelerating it. The effects are difficult to quantify and are too slow and general to be responded to in any meaningful way.

>>12081 No, because 1. Changing our behavior does not necessarily reverse the trend that is already in place. The increasing fervor with which the climatologists are predicting the end of times supports this, though I believe for ideological reasons they will never say it is too late. 2. Changing our behavior has costs that may be too great even if we all agreed it was our fault. 3. Again, there is no reason to say we couldn't change it by changing our behavior any less effectively even if it wasn't our fault. >>12084 >we should not be accelerating it agreed, but that is a lot easier said than done. >The effects are difficult to quantify and are too slow and general to be responded to in any meaningful way. That actually makes it easier. An example: we're getting more hurricanes and associated flooding, so we should stop building (and subsidizing with taxpayer dollars) construction in flood plains. That shouldn't be a controversial idea and it makes exactly zero difference whether the increase in hurricanes is due to global warming or because the moons of neptune are aligned with saturn, the solution is the same.

>>11318 >Now, I just grind in school, drink soykafloads of alcohol on the weekends, hang with my friends to smoke weed and fuarrrk random girls No offense, but why bother living if that's all you plan on doing, and you realize that it's pointless?

>>14158 not the same lainon, but probably pleasure?

> How, if at all, did your discovery of the doomosphere change your views on life? You have a lifespan of 80 or so years if you're lucky, so I find delusions of preserving consciousness more motivating than an ending that will happen to me relatively soon anyway. Doubt you gave much of a soykaf in the first place if the doomosphere makes you "more selfish"