The Cultural and Artistic Frontier

Where is the modern frontier? From the dawn of civilization, there has almost always been a frontier, for lack of a better word. The place the money hasn’t found yet. The place that hasn’t been regulated and calmed yet. The place where the sheer freedom of being there consumes the minds and souls of those who make it out to where the old norms no longer matter. The place where people look forward to the future and not backwards to the old better days, mired in bittersweet nostalgia. The place that eventually builds the metaphysical artifacts that take over the culture that came before it. The Renaissance. The New World and the rise of America. The jazz scene of the 1920's. The rock-and-roll scene of the 1950's. The hippies of the 60's. The punk scene of the 80's and eventually, the rise of the Internet. With the rise of the Internet we saw the frontier change from being a physical place or specific local music scene to something much more worldwide. Like all frontiers, it was ignored, niche, and largely uncommercialized at first. Early Flash cartoons, the first Youtube videos, forums, the whole concept of "going viral" were things the world had never experienced before and that were done for the sake of making something new and cool, not to enrich the shareholders. Now, that digital frontier is also tamed. HR workers post AI-generated Wojak comics and Pepe memes on LinkedIn about quarterly goals. 90% of internet users stick between 10 different websites(xwitter, reddit, facebook, 4chan, etc.), and most posts are screenshots from the other 9 websites. Even in smaller places like this site and other indie imageboards, I see an overwhelming culture of nostalgia, users ricing their desktop to look like older operating systems and lamenting how everything has gone so wrong in the world. Even Gen Alpha's internet culture is focused on the already tamed and corportized space of Twitch, Instagram, and becoming an influencer to wage slave your sponsorship deals. Where has the frontier gone? Is it still somewhere online, hidden away on some obscure site that will eventually take over modern culture like SomethingAwful and reddit did? Or is it back somewhere in meatspace, a group of kids experimenting with a new form of expression that they too will one day lament as having gone "mainstream"? I wish I knew. Everywhere I go seems like either a fake corporate smile or a desperate grasp to go back to the past. I want that optimistic novelty again, no matter what it may look like.

>>101348 Mainstream web is only 26-ish years old. Social Media is only 15-ish years old. Mainstream Gen-AI is only 3-4 years old. Strap in buddy. Things are only going to get crazier and more insane from here.

Is it a frontier, or just an escape from normal people and corpos? Whatever secluded area that can be found. The corpos & normal people have stolen too much from us, we're too poor, they're buying up all the houses & property, locking down the internet, installing surveillance everywhere. They don't even need to smell blood anymore, they're monitoring everything with ai, looking for the next grift, trying to find the next big thing before it happens to make a few dollars out of it - strangling it before it is even born.

People are posting about how they ported, reverse engineered etc etc their favorite games, built custom systems, so on and so forth using AI. We can do today what people couldn't dream of ten years ago. It's purely a skill issue. I'm having fun pwning hardware I bought.

>>101351 based and lainpilled

>>101349 >>101351 I'm not saying technology isn't advancing rapidly, it's impossible to deny that. But gen AI hasn't really given us that cultural frontier. Shit like Fruit Love Island and Tung Tung Tung Sahur were made from the start with tiktok and ad revenue in mind and pushed by marketing algorithms. >>101350 That's why I think the next frontier will likely be back somewhere out in meatspace. The second anyone online releases something with true mimetic viral potential, it will be scraped by bots, copied, sanitized, and marketed before it ever has a chance to grow naturally.

>>101348 The Renaissance was only possible due to the rise of banking and from that, the then independent City Republics of Italy seeking recognition and differentiation from the old nobility. It was a top down movement driven by a few individuals and their even fewer sponsors. The New World was the expansion of the European states who have already expanded to all of their European holdings, and sought further monetary growth by further expansions. Top down decisions by a few seeking more wealth. All of the rest is literal just the glownigger proto-cia/cia proper making the (((nu counter-culture))). The last new thing that was organic as in not being some psyop was the Avant-garde movement. Even by that time culture (as in high art) has globalized and fractured with multiple cultures being made and continued at the same time, unlike before if you lived in the 18th century and made art you were a classicist or before that you followed the baroque style and so on. >Where has the frontier gone? Is it still somewhere online, hidden away on some obscure site that will eventually take over modern culture like SomethingAwful and reddit did? I believe the internet has been milked dry of such things and no others will rise or could at this point. Maybe the g(o)yim will adopt 764 pedo cultist atomwaffen satanism if the masses really lose their minds. Edgy teenagers already have the tiktok presence for it maybe they will one day be noticed by the masses. We may even be near to that day idk. Since in a few years the internet will be totally controlled whatever new will emerge will be from a real world group of rebels who let us hope will even take action. If they win, they might even get to decide the future and make nu things with their nu ideas.

>>101359 That's why it's a wise idea to seek comfort and inspiration in tiny microsubcultures, subgenres, substyles, arising here and there all the time. They don't even get named and nominatively defined in any way these days. Doesn't mean they don't exist. You just need basic pattern recognition to see it.

Industrial capitalism in the west is waning and leaving a ruined, post-apocalyptic landscape in its wake. The new wilderness is the one created in the shadow of a once great civilization, where people scavenge for their survival. Read pic rel if you want to see what the future will look like.

>>101364 humorous, because mushrooms are potent bioaccumulators of heavy metals and other toxins. mushrooms are the last thing you should eat in a post-industrial hellscape.

>>101361 I just wish I could fine a microsubculture that is creating things for the sake of creating things, while also not being bogged down by the doomerism I find everywhere online that isn't trying to sell me something. I thought I'd maybe found it in the open source/old web/Neocities community, but they're chasing after an online era half of them weren't even alive to witness. Not that I want to bury my head in the sand. I know everything is getting worse, but I'd rather spend my remaining days around the tiny part that is trying to make the future better without just trying to recreate the past.

>>101364 Did that inspire Girl's Last Tour or something? Your exposition sounds like it could.

>>101348 I mean, you're kind of IN the frontier. Imageboards are the most viable alternative to mainstream social media nowadays. As for the "creative frontier" part, you're thinking by old rules. There isn't a monoculture to be a singular "alternative" to anymore. The creative frontier is, in fact, a million little enclosed circles of people sharing creations with close friends, and maaaybe linking to a social media gallery page. I don't think there's going to be a big paradigm shift, the way things are right now since speech and expression is already beginning to be very censored and very controlled, both with overt and covert means, and there's alot of money backing that suppression up. The reason there's a very nostalgic attitude is because there's a growing sentiment that the future is going to make things worse. The newer generation doesn't really hold much hope, and I can't blame them for being pessimistic: there's a gigantic global wealth transfer happening, people are increasingly being priced out of home ownership, the internet is becoming more locked down and censored, there's hundreds of thousands of surveillance cameras across the US, selling the footage back to the government to get around constitutional privacy protections, forever wars overseas are threatening to get hot, the leadership of most countries are completely at odds with the people in those countries. There's mass unemployment, erosion of consumer buying power, overtaxation to disincentivize success or starting a business, and most visibly, mainstream culture and media is in the soykafter with endless ripoffs and remakes.

in theory its space but in practice you cannot just go there and do whatever alternative places are Arctic, Greenland, and places like Sakha Republic in Russia, northern parts of Western Australia, but you have to avoid existing settlements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River finally there is open ocean, build a large boat like in Gargantia and live in the middle of Pacific Ocean, no one will find you

You're not dumb or out-of-touch. Those vibrant, exciting youth subcultures that were a big deal back in the 1980's, 1990's, or 2000's just don't happen anymore. Because anyone who's older than 16 can't find that level of carefree optimism in themselves anymore. We're a world that is essentially held hostage by a class of billionaires who are ~140 IQ yet emotionally reptilian. Even though we're a "democracy", if Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and Bill Gates decided tomorrow that the Amazon rainforest should be chopped down or the coral reefs should be scraped away, we all know for a fact it would happen and we'd be helpless to do anything about it. Politically, the left had total cultural control for a full decade but failed to improve the world in any real way. Meanwhile, the right has AI, but so far all that's done is make people who are already productive, slightly more productive, while drowning the world in completely brainless garbage. So no one has a positive outlook on the future, and nobody has a real solution either. The 2020's are the bleakest cultural moment since the 70's, but maybe even the 30's too at this point.

>>101368 I came up with my own concept for a planned community the other day where you buy a bunch of private land in America and found a sort of pseudo-religious colony modeled after a mix of American, Japanese, and Amish values. Smart phones would be derezzed. Wifi and TV off for all hours of the day except for a 2 hr. stretch of time after sunset. Work-based colony, minimum of 50 hours a week for everyone. People elect to have certain roles in the colony where they work for a fixed amount of time (1 month/3 months/6 months/1 year), after which they get the chance to ask for a reassignment. Work hours are long, but the pace is slow. When you're told to work on something, you'll be given precise instructions on what to make and how to make it. These instructions will be hand-picked (and even designed) by the colony leader, with a focus on making a world that is both beautiful and durable, around a mixture of beautiful high-quality hardwoods, glass, and polished stone. The actual size of these "colonies" will be pretty low, and cap out around Dunbar's number (so ~150 people), but if you buy a decent-sized lot, you could cluster a bunch of these places right next to each other and be within biking distance. Ideally, this wouldn't be like some luxury get-away for rich assholes, but more like a trend that could spread in the West where like 20 families pool together all their wealth to buy some land, and then they just follow the blueprint of the original colony to make something awesome while doing sustenance farming. And any rich people who want to sponsor the project can be like, "Donate money? fuarrrk that. How about I ship you guys some black cherry straight from Virginia so you can chop yourselves up a beautiful dining hall?" etc. Sounds pretty cool to me.

>>101364 >Industrial capitalism in the west is waning and leaving a ruined, post-apocalyptic landscape in its wake. The new wilderness is the one created in the shadow of a once great civilization, where people scavenge for their survival. Read pic rel if you want to see what the future will look like. Funny. Never read the book but that's exactly what I've been thinking for a while now.

This has been on my mind for awhile now. Cultural scenes in meatspace has been homogenized, because the types involved in those are still online, and they take their main cues from what they see on social media, so most urban scenes lack any kind individuality (save for some regional culture). You'd never get something like Grunge, a genre of music very much shaped by it's local environment (the constant Seattle rain and clouds shaped the sound, the smaller music scene meant the metal and punk guys had to get along because they had to share venues, ect) today. Until the rockets are ready to reach Mars, we're kind of in a bind. >>101371 Anon image boards peaked years ago. There are altchan hideouts like this one, but those have existed since 4chan got off the ground. The real killing blow for anonymous image boards is AI, since you can now easily setup bots and agents to spam and wage slave, down to giving convincing responses. This is a problem for any kind of site focused on posting, but it's especially bad for sites that allow for anonymous posting with no user account required, as it leads a cat and mouse game with capchas to weed out bots and spammers, with capchas for larger sites having to be more and more convoluted. I guess you could say more broadly the indieweb is a kind of frontier, but it's more like a refuge than a proper frontier.

>>101348 Counterculture somewhat implies a monoculture, which there really isn't anymore. Now there are dozens (maybe hundreds) of medium sized communities that all have overlap. Social media curates itself specifically to your niche interest, so the average person right now has very little in common with the other average person. We don't consume remotely the same content anymore. Small communities of pretty much any interest blow up overnight because of social media. You could maybe argue 'nerd' culture and specifically computer soykaf was the 'new frontier' for the 2000's and 2010's but that's not really the case right now.

>>101382 This is a very good point. There are however manifestations of counter-culture that go beyond mainstream-counterculture dichotomy. For example, these spartan guys we have even here who almost completely abandon not only GUI but also DE/WM in general and are close to pure tty/multiplexer zen, THAT is very countercultural. In music, for the longest time there was forming a family of genres that abandon structure: free improvisation, music concrete, noise music, etc. Those have their own spectrums of how far they go, from relatively mild noise rock detours to full-on harsh noise. I would argue that any kind of noise music is countercultural both in context of genre its exist, but also in broader scope of music and art in general.

>>101381 The point you bring up by mentioning grunge specifically is an interesting one. OP specifically seems to think a true artistic frontier/counterculture has a fundamentally positive and optimistic message, when we've seen several that were the opposite. Both the grunge and the punk scenes were built around negative ideas, and grunge in particular has a kind of hopeless nihilistic vibe that mirrors how a lot of people feel today I think.

>>101374 >the dominant class is really smart, we are helpless! they are comically stupid drug addicts that are only there because that's what the system produces >>101375 you better be 15, because this would be embarrassing for an adult to write. how can you read these fantasies where you want a big authority figure to tell you what to do at all moments and decide everything for you, and not realize that you have daddy issues. I'm not even going to waste my time tearing down your utopian village, but my advice is that you should get a controlling boyfriend and stop posting besides that, it's funny that you want a egalitarian society where everyone works and there is no exploitation but you're too much of a coward to say it openly, or even worse, ask yourself why these utopian projects don't work, and what would have to actually be done to achieve those objectives

>>101386 >you better be 15, because this would be embarrassing for an adult to write Ad hominem in MY lainchan? It's more likely than you think! Please, lain, consider writing something more productive. Perhaps you can explain why you think living this way is undesirable. Or why existing mennonite/amish societies don't qualify as proofs that this sort of setup can work. We all know many communes in the past have failed, perhaps you can explain why you think some fail and some succeed. I was going to write a mean snarky thing here, but I don't want lainchan to become that kind of place. I hope your day is going OK. >>101375 A more reasonable critique: What does this community offer that EXISTING communities don't? Or, put more simply: Why not just go be mennonite/amish/etc? I guess you include TV for 2 hours a day, but that frankly seems like a downgrade that could lead to issues with maintaining cultural cohesion. Especially since cultural cohesion is basically the only means you have of enforcing labor requirements. You probably don't want the associated religious mechanisms that the mennonites/amish/etc use, but there is a reason the religious isolationists are still around and the generic hippy communes all failed terribly. My money is on the religious culture being essential, but maybe you can find a viable substitute. Also, you probably need clear cultural mores surrounding the exchange, accumulation, etc. of capital.

embrace the high frontier not that you druggy lunatic now we aim for the moon

>>101387 >but there is a reason the religious isolationists are still around and the generic hippy communes all failed terribly The premise is religious (like the amish) and not utopian (like the hippies). I don't have a concrete religion to actually tie this to, but its DNA is mostly Zen. My thinking here is that we (as a society) underestimate the role of daily activity and physical environment in producing a religious world view. So just by maintaining a certain kind of lifestyle, you'll get more in touch with a deeper and more spiritual self than you would otherwise. >Why not join the Amish then? Or a Buddhist temple? It's not quite the same. Both of them are too overtly religious, and too focused on ideology. Every Buddhist I've met goes on and on about the 4 Noble Truths, which I'm not saying is wrong but feels very divorced from the practical message of Buddhism. The Buddha never wanted you to go on obsessing over his words; he wanted you to act with extreme levels of empathy in day-to-day life. So I'm thinking, "How do you actually foster this attitude in people?"

AI-generated nonsense thread artistic vanguards were such because at the time the art industry didn't see them as feasible products as they went against the established conventions, so they were confined to a pre-commercial phase until they could prove their profitability. but thanks to the technology of digital distribution and streaming, the industry has advanced past those rudimentary prejudices and now knows that the only important thing about a product are the metrics so there's no more vanguard, there is content with low views that doesn't get picked up by the algorithm, and content that does. if you can find the former, it is because you're too lazy to search. no one gives a fuarrrk about "transgression" or any of that soykaf, and never did. at the end of the day you're still dealing with the superstructure and not the base

>>101391 if u think about it dissociatives are kinda likoe. exoplanet.

>>101368 fingerboarding is cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rPt6EOFQBs

>>101348 the search for "culture" is nostalgia by itself, culture is a psyop, the new "high culture" is "science"

The artistic fronteer nowadays is indie games and animation. A small team with an original concept can hit the mainstream, and stuff like silk song and TADC are hugely influential among young people. So come to /agdg/ and check out poke all toads (a fun and original puzzle game made by a 4anon) I could make the case that indies represent counter culture in a time where the mainstream is dominated by stale reboots of big name franchises with bloated budgets. But I feel like the whole idea that the artistic fronteer must have a rebellious and social aspect to it is unfounded. Michelangelo worked for the pope, the very figurehead of authority. Also, being inspired by old art is a fundamental part of reinassance, so nostalgia and "spiritual successors" are not at all at odds with being the artistic fronteer

>>101374 >We're a world that is essentially held hostage by a class of billionaires Billionaires hold hardly any real power at all, barely a fraction of what business moguls even just a hundred years ago held. The Bureaucratic State, or the Information State, or the (minus the low-IQ conspiratorial elements attached) Deep State, whatever your preferred name, is what holds all the power. > if Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and Bill Gates decided tomorrow that the Amazon rainforest should be chopped down or the coral reefs should be scraped away, we all know for a fact it would happen and we'd be helpless to do anything about it I hope you're just a naive teenager and not an adult who believes that's how anything works. < >Where has the frontier gone? Is it still somewhere online, hidden away on some obscure site that will eventually take over modern culture like SomethingAwful and reddit did? >I believe the internet has been milked dry of such things and no others will rise or could at this point. >I just wish I could fine a microsubculture that is creating things for the sake of creating things, while also not being bogged down by the doomerism I find everywhere online that isn't trying to sell me something This exists. Or at this point it might be more accurate to say "existed". A few hundred to a few thousand right-wing, artistically-inclined young men (on average between 14-26) managed to establish complete memetic control over the internet, and from 2021-2025 created what I would say was the most influential and upstream website on the internet, undeniably so per capita. And not only that, it was really fun. It was like a party. I don't even know why I'm gatekeeping it anymore, I'm sure there's at least a couple Lainchanners who could infer what I mean just based off that brief description. But if the party was able to exist and thrive during the nightmare that was the peak of the closure of the internet, I'm sure there's something similar to it now, even with me and everyone I know on the outside this time.

>>102197 >the sharty is the frontier lmfao go back

>>102204 >>the sharty is the frontier >lmfao I should've excluded outright saying "the party" so I could've baited an oldtroon into naming and insulting the 'arty purely off the description of it as the youthful, fun, and most memetically powerful website. >is Notice how I referred to it mostly in the past-tense. It's still salvageable at this point, but it's no longer the frontier of internet culture. But it was, no matter how much you seethe about it. Even now, half of the "new" memes (that aren't soykaf) come from years-old 'arty material. Now it's just a matter of waiting until a potential revival or waiting for the well of exploitable culture to run dry. >go back There are a ton of soyteens here. I see them in nearly every thread, but I can tell Lainchanners don't even realize based off the lack of seething at nuGQDs. I've been here for years (albeit lurking for nearly all of it). Only in this thread have I made it obvious.

>>102211 Although I suppose I should state that "nearly every thread" may be a result of our shared interests resulting in overlap on the same boards. But I frequent quite a few, so I think soyteens are just a sizable percentage of the modern Lainchan population. And incase you're worried that we'll soykaf up your website (not that you should given soyteens have been here a while), I think part of the appeal is that it's nothing like the spastic and soykaffy culture of the 'arty. And I only used 'speak terminology here due to the topic.

>>102211 The only worthwhile thing to come out of that is the 4chan hack. And the guy resposible was shat on for *gasp* liking anime. You guys are everything wrong with 4chan distilled.

>>102218 Forgot my anime pic.

>>102218 >The only worthwhile thing to come out of that is the 4chan hack That was a brilliant, shining gem, its long-term consequences aside, but the 'arty has and continues to do much more than that. That's the offsiter equivalent to people unfamiliar with 4chan calling it the website "with the anonymous hackers". >And the guy resposible was shat on for *gasp* liking anime. giga does this >You guys are everything wrong with 4chan distilled. The party is everything good about 4chan with everything coaly intentionally removed. There's a reason that even with 4chan still being 100x larger and much more stable, the party has completely replaced it in cultural relevance (even if normal people won't be aware of this for many more years). Some examples of intentional cultural changes: - rejecting tranime (although even culturally puritan soyteens tend to approve of manime and aryanime) - raids (GEMMY!) - having fun (4channers are old and hate fun, I don't know why) - embracing newGQDs (less so nowadays unless they culturally integrate well. One of the most repulsive elements of 4chan culture to me is the fetishization of time spent on the website and how long you've been on there) < I think it's also worth noting the extremely similar circumstances in which the sharty and 4chan were born. I wasn't around for the latter, but from what I understand, SomethingAwful had a growing and youthful anime subculture that the janitors and other users weren't particularly friendly towards, and it grew large enough that 4chan was made as a sort of escape and splinter for them. A couple decades later, /qa/ had a growing and youthful soyjakking/raiding subculture that the now-old janitors and other users weren't particularly friendly towards, large enough that the party was made as a sort of escape and splinter for them, except this time the janitors were much more obsessed and purged them from the website not long after the creation of the 'arty. Just like 4chan did to SomethingAwful, we surpassed the envious and fallen father and became something greater. Just like my Marvel movies o algo

>>102212 >overlap on the same boards. there's people on here who browse anything other than the überboard??

>tranime >aryanime bro every teen is a repper and weeb, they are all coping just as hard for being terminally online EPI'd losers as everyone else in their generation, the outlet they happened to find involves crudely drawn bald men, colored badges, and doxxing people who are otherwise exactly just like them.

>>102247 >there's people on here who browse anything other than the überboard?? Lol, I usually take pretty long breaks between checking the site when there aren't any threads that I think my presence would contribute to (aka nearly all of them). But even checking the overboard my eyes tend to glaze over when scrolling past posts in boards I don't care about.

There was never a frontier. We associate boundaries and edge with the premise of raw material, or unformed chaos, like a primordial soup of culture from where novelty springs. But this illusion is premised on the myth of terra null: that when someone cannot see the existing systems or features of a situation, they attribute novelty to it. In reality, it is just that things have been watered down or destroyed enough for them to be digested, which creates the potential for ancient and pre held ideas, as well as traditions, to be taught with ease. But it is backwards to treat this as somehow better than what might have been destroyed to make it so, as these systems were often older, more complex, chaotic, and yet more sustainable still. The idea that the internet was once more novel and chaotic, like a liberal arts college, is exactly because the Internet as we know started as an academic project before being used by hobbyists. It was better because the users were more passionate and interested. >HR workers post AI-generated Wojak comics and Pepe memes on LinkedIn about quarterly goals. Ask yourself if literally any of that has to do with online communities from before 2008, 2012 at the latest. Pepe and wojaks were always stupid, they were dumb millennial slop before they were gen z slop, their entire existence was based around cringe, gross-out humor and ugliness. >Is it part of some obscure website or friend group irl? it absolutely is, if you go outside and explore the community in say, any college town, you'll find tons of interesting little things like this. The problem is that you treat them as a source of novelty and cultural advancement set to become the next big thing. This is getting lost in abstract and honestly pretty typical ideas while avoiding the actual contents of what you're looking at, and it goes hand in hand with selling out. >>102211 Be honest: do you like anime? What are your favorites? How did you find them?

>>102248 >repper marge >and weeb Depends what you mean by "weeb". I'm sure most 'teens have watched anime, and definitely more of it than the average person. I've watched quite a few since I'm (obviously) a geeky person, and some I've really liked. Anyone else seen Lain? That's one's great. But being serious, at no point have I considered myself a weeb, and I don't think others would consider me that either. In my experience that's how it's been for most other 'teens I've had serious discussions with. The anti-anime attitude is just exaggerated to bait 4channers or branijjers. >all coping just as hard for being terminally online EPI'd losers I don't think soyteens cope about this. Most tend to be very open. I think anti-raid filters are preventing me from posting media (my last post only went through once I removed everything I had attached), but there's been some interesting discussions on this in the few threads talking about it. A big reason the 'arty targets porn artists and groomers to such an extreme degree is that many soyteens were EPI'd. Also, that chud is our most common self-insert shows most soyteens don't "cope" about it. Look at Nate, he's barely more functional than chud is. It's embraced, and imo one of the strong suits of the party. > the outlet they happened to find involves crudely drawn bald men, colored badges, and doxxing people who are otherwise exactly just like them This means nothing, and "otherwise exactly just like them" is wrong. Troons in particular are targeted because they're autists who hyperfocus on many of the things soyteens like or liked, but because of their extreme mental illness and state-mandated worship have been able to take over and destroy our birthright (edgy and fun internet stuff). No group is as narcissistic, reprehensible, and deserving of hate and free 'zas as them.

>>102251 Looked up "repper". I have no idea how I didn't know the meaning of it until now. I also disagree with that. It's just that soyteens are disproportionately spergy, lonely, and autistic, and thus are at much higher risk of trooning out. If you compared the levels of autism here to anywhere else on the internet with equivalent levels of autism, the rate of said users ruining their lives by giving into those perverse fantasies would be drastically higher than that on the 'arty. I've seen at least three soyteens say that the party is what stopped them from trooning out and convinced them to never goon and stop being a degen instead. Although, given what Quote and his 'cord has done to the website and the 'ru, I'm sure it's been the opposite case for some the last year or two.

>>102251 >troons are just like us >BUT THEY USE THE SAME COMMUNITIES AS US >THIS IS LE BAD >I am angry This is why soyteens will be eternal newf​ags - trannies can be pretty ugly, but troon hate is one of the biggest red flags that a community or person is cancer, especially if they bring up or accuse others of troonery unprompted like this guy seems to be doing. If you haven't realized by now that anon is gay (or at least likes traps) then you will never be the oldfa​g you so desperately wish you are.

>>102254 GEEEEGGGG, you managed to hit every major tranny strawman used against soyim in two sentences. >>troons are just like us How does it feel being a third-world ESL soykaffskin who can't comprehend basic English? The other poster was the one insinuating troons are like soyteens. I just briefly described --why-- soyteens generally have a hate of them, that all "troon-coded" interests are actually autistic white male coded interests, and thus troons appropriate, invade, and destroy every online community. >troon hate is one of the biggest red flags that a community or person is cancer I've never heard of a community that hates troons that wasn't keyed and awesome. There's a direct 1-1 correlation between how insufferable and groomer-filled a community is and how much it caters to troons. >especially if they bring up or accuse others of troonery unprompted It was prompted > If you haven't realized by now that anon is gay (or at least likes traps) This is something I've noticed all left-wing degenerates do. You can see this a lot on X when they interact with average mostly-offline right-wing normal people. Oh, you're a Christian who doesn't like users, or likes masculinity like a normal person? You must be a closeted gay man! You have a normal family who aren't dysfunctional freaks? Clearly somebody's cheating or using drugs or (X) other degen thing that I do! You don't like troons? Then deep down YOU'RE a troon! You eventually realize that these people actually can't imagine somebody is just normal and not messed up like they are, and thus everyone else must be suppressing it or whatever. >then you will never be the oldfa​g you so desperately wish you are GEG, again too ESL to read a couple paragraphs. Just a couple reppies ago I specifically pointed out how miserable and petty the worship of old users is, and how one of the best parts of sharty culture is rejecting your pathetic status games for a much better indication of status, gem-making. < And then, best of all, the actually-from-Reddit meme of an anime girl holding a sign with text. One of the funniest pathetic things you'll notice chronically online leftists do is that they insist, despite all the evidence in the world and nobody else catering to this, that Reddit is actually a far-right website, and in response to any gems they see they'll call it "Reddit" or "Reddit humor", which they do to try and project that website's embarrassing existence onto their political/cultural enemies and off of themselves, regardless of whether they've deluded themselves enough to actually believe that. But it doesn't work, and it just shows what kind of person you're interacting with. < Anyways, this is for you. You will never be a woman, and nobody in the real world will ever see you as anything but a mutilated freak.

>>102255 >I've never heard of a community that hates troons that wasn't keyed and awesome you must have terrible taste if you think soyjak.party is "keyed and awesome". Nothing much else to be said there.

>>102255 Testosterone and estrogen have a similar effect on the nervous system to opioids. That's why they fetishize it all and obsess over it, they're desperate for their next hit. Left wing fentanyl.

>>102256 >is This guy actually hasn't read the thread. I was mostly just calling him illiterate and ESL because I thought it'd be funny, but it might actually be true. >>102259 Trvke

>>102255 failure to comprehend basic cool person speak, if u know u know, can and does exempt you from this conversation. protip theres reasons to type this way that have nothing to do with nationality or whatever political trash youve hyper fixated on. maybe some day youll get it, but in present time you just dont seem to understand lol

>>102262 >this guy hasn't read the thread Far as I can tell you derailed the thread to show off how retarded you are. Different lains btw

>>102246 >rejecting tranime (although even culturally puritan soyteens tend to approve of manime and aryanime) This is profoundly retarded. It also encapsulates the problem with you people. A combination of willful ignorance, low iq, and a thinly veiled concern for social status. Anime is not created by a mysterious, magical machine. It's the results of Japanese artists who poured tens of thousands of hours into their craft, or even above 100k hours. Kyoani has produced some of the greatest artwork humanity has ever witnessed. If you're unwilling to acknowledge that, you're cattle. Kirara slice of life, and a lot of light novels, have enormously better writing than "manime" staples like JoJo and Baki. Not that those don't have their good points and entertainment value, but their writing is objectively weak. These made up categories(the Berserk mangaka was addicted to Idolmaster) reveal an extremely petty priority hierarchy in you. "I like anime, but I'm not one of those people". It's nothing new. The same pathetic mindset existed on /b/ and encyclopedia dramatica. Stop chasing after pussy. >SomethingAwful had a growing and youthful anime subculture They were proto-irony weebs, on a subforum titled "Anime Death Tentacle Rape Whorehouse". Very gen x, very cringe. The only good to come out of 4chan is PARTS of /jp/ and /g/. Your board of origin, /qa/, and others like /fit/ and /soc/, should have never been created in the first place. Moot was a sellout who prioritized growth above anything else. He wishes he was zuckerberg. I'm gen z, and I hate all of you. I don't care if you were groomed on minecraft because you were born with a congenital defect. You're lazy, and you're stupid. If you want to fix that, stop being a failed normal f@ggot, learn Japanese, read VNs.

>>102251 >>102255 you somehow managed to make soyspeak sound like it came straight out of paul graham's soykafhole, I don't know whether to be impressed or reconsider life. and fwiw literally everyone hates reddit no matter your politics, even actual honest to god neolibs. >This means nothing, and "otherwise exactly just like them" is wrong. Troons in particular are targeted because they're autists who hyperfocus on many of the things soyteens like or liked, but because of their extreme mental illness and state-mandated worship have been able to take over and destroy our birthright (edgy and fun internet stuff). No group is as narcissistic, reprehensible, and deserving of hate and free 'zas as them. you're literally proving my point >This is something I've noticed all left-wing degenerates do. You can see this a lot on X when they interact with average mostly-offline right-wing normal people. Oh, you're a Christian who doesn't like users, or likes masculinity like a normal person? You must be a closeted gay man! You have a normal family who aren't dysfunctional freaks? Clearly somebody's cheating or using drugs or (X) other degen thing that I do! You don't like troons? Then deep down YOU'RE a troon! You eventually realize that these people actually can't imagine somebody is just normal and not messed up like they are, and thus everyone else must be suppressing it or whatever. imagine being amerikkkan and lacking the basic self awareness to know that the rest of actual christians in the world think you are a degenerate retard. YOU live in the country of decadence and excess, and YOU will moral user about it until the cows come home and accuse whatever tranny currently owns the soykafhole you spend 8 hours a day on for not banning everyone who calls you out on it. a troon will design the train that one day runs you over in the middle of a psychotic break. >>102259 trve but prog is acutely gabaergic o algo

>>102268 You reply to every single post ribbing you mildly with serval paragraphs insistent about how epic of a troll you are, including to low effort sages and the like. If anyone comes across as mad here it's you. But I'm curious about something. Did you finish your summer reading? Or is this your way of procrastinating?

>>102274 So you're an old user in the midst of a mid-life crisis. That's even more pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAxf-Bjl0Z0

>>102279 >>102274 He doesn't know yet.

>>102281 this is so trueeeeeeeeeeee

>>102268 kek, this is why gen z losers will never be happy. I've been on hrt for 15 years now and I look more like a cute anime girl than repressed incels like you ever will >>102272 ikr

>>102290 Hey cutie! 10 years here, also non-z. What a sad little retard this guy is!

>>102291 >>102290 Why are the only good lainchan users trannies? Real answers only

>>102272 >It's the results of Japanese artists who poured tens of thousands of hours into their craft, or even above 100k hours. Kyoani has produced some of the greatest artwork humanity has ever witnessed. exactly. there's a sincerity and complexity to japanese culture that most westerners aren't able to grasp. the reason these soys post ugly drawings is because unlike the japanese and those capable of appreciating japanese art, they don't know what real culture looks like and can only make things as crude and ugly as themselves. >>102292 >Why are the only good lainchan users trannies? I'd say it's because we understand both the masculine and feminine sides of what it means to be human and what life is like facing real oppression. we've experienced much more than soys realize, and that's why their drawings will never actually offend anyone

>>102290 >>102292 >>102296 I'll give all you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not doing some kind of astroturfing. Transexualism has nothing to do with otaku culture, and as a social phenomena it's not officially endorsed by the establishment in Japan. Whatever virtue signaling you'll find there is done to appease westerners, or by westaboos. Kyoani has a lot of staff members that are actual, biological women, but it also has men. Being able to depict and understand feminine beauty, is just a core artistic skill. Anybody who's a real artist is capable of it. Da Vinci would need some catching up, but he has to ability to fit right into the industry, even though he didn't know what the hell a transexual even is. A lot of otaku media deals with masculinity and the role of men in a harsh environment. Index, Fate, SAO, Date A Live, basically any light novel or VN with a male protag. Instead of taking inspiration from that, you've run away from the burdens of manhood like Digibro. That's not really something to be proud of.

>>102299 a lot of the og lains were trans or have become trans later. This place is in many ways just a shell of its former self. Even quality threads get filled with garbage. People don't seem able to talk about anything except culture war soykaf. I'm not sure why I can't leave.

>>102312 That may be true but its a disaster and shouldn't be taken as proof of the good of transgenderism any more than the fact that most of the people who worked on unix in the early days are dead. For what its worth rampant transgenderism good or bad isn't even a special feature of lainchan, we may have had it worse but it seems like a big thing everywhere you had internet autists.

>>101348 None of these are cultural frontiers though. Describing the Renaissance as some kind of avant-gardist zeitgeist let alone colonial expansion into the Americas is uh not remotely sustainable. Former was the dawn of effective bureaucracy + The final death of the Social Contract of classical Christian Europe. It was literally one of the most violent periods in human history vastly outstripping the 'Unenlightened' Middle Ages. Colonies of the European flavor are straight up just Mongolic ethnographic shifts in the most neutral, objective sense. Millions are displaced or killed, millions follow and rewrite the local human statistics. It also kind of raped the collective psychological profile of Europe. Everything else is a psyop or ridiculously nebulous generalism you can't really define. The like, short and simple of it that I think we're missing as a species that is widely blamed for the social malaise of our generation but rarely grasped is aesthetics. Humanity has a deep preternatural connection with how soykaf stylizes itself, and our current would-be patrons of arts are all getting dicked down by their peers on private islands while sacrificing goats to Moloch or something. Greyscapes aren't just soulless in a way that's visually displeasing to the eye, they sap willpower and harm mental health. They are corrosive. A lot of things nowadays look garish as fuarrrk, for a variety of reasons namely our lessening appreciation for abstract concepts and symbolism in the West. Zeitgeists are built by aesthetics so our current one being ugly may have genuinely profound effects on the ultimate trajectory. TLDR: Things suck right now cause we are between major artistic spikes

>>102305 >transsexualism Is not an ideology, a political platform, whatever else you think it is. It's a medical condition. You however seem to think it refers to not having a meltdown whenever you see a trans person, which by your own admittance is unrelated to any sort of artistic avant garde, or aesthetics in general, which you don't seem to have a firm grasp of (or media literacy, reading comprehension more broadly). Pic related. In Japan, not having a meltdown over trannies like you seem unable of is in fact more common. >Sword Art Online Oh, I get it now. You simply have bad taste. >>102312 /hum/ is not ever worth visiting for serious discussion. It is the designated soykaf board and basically gets treated as lainchan politically incorrect. It tries to be something else, something better, but the onslaught of stormchuds trying to turn every community into Epstein's Big Plan insist on ignoring or integrating into the culture and just pour their soykaf all over everything. Also, every time you post on /hum/ you suck energy away from better threads and boards. >>102299 trannies coded your board software. You should be personally thanking seisatsu for her vichan patches not saying you look at tranny porn but don't respect troons otherwise.

>>102315 >pic related >no pic Well whatever. It was barely on topic anyway.

>>102316 Hahahahahaga tailand duckland und cwa. Luck this soykaf, now imagine mom boy for childen secret trangenious hormonium oill for hin?

>>102277 >imagine being amerikkkan and lacking the basic self awareness to know that the rest of actual christians in the world think you are a degenerate retard. YOU live in the country of decadence and excess, and YOU will moral user about it until the cows come home and accuse whatever tranny currently owns the soykafhole you spend 8 hours a day on for not banning everyone who calls you out on it. a troon will design the train that one day runs you over in the middle of a psychotic break. All hope is lost for anything remotely productive to come out of this thread but this in particular is weirdly really, really fuarrrking funny. Solid effortpost I lol'd.

>>101348 The mind and the self. Making things purely for your own fulfillment. In the future we'll have Orwellian brain chips who will sell your thoughts to advertisers and flag you for wrongthink, though, so don't count on it lasting.

>>102315 >It's a medical condition. It's not a sociopolitical movement in itself, but there is one which revolves around it. >Pic related Familiarity breeds contempt. I don't care what you do, but don't appropriate other people's stuff. >You simply have bad taste You've watched too much digibro. Don't listen to anitubers. They aren't writers and lack the knowledge to judge quality. He took issue with Kirito being rewarded, when he personally doesn't feel Kirito deserves it. That's a personal sense of injustice masked as critique. His brother had a mental breakdown over it challenging his value system.

>>102326 I had to look up the trans woman you are seemingly obsessed with to know what the fuarrrk you're talking about. She seems sweet, but I'm not into MLP or have the attention span for videos. Not going to bully you if you do like those things, though, you just have a weird way of showing it. I don't like SAO because I watched it and it's stupid. The soundtrack is decent though, kajiura is a good composer and you should check out the other shows she's on like madoka if you liked it. She also did my favorite but I'm not going to spoon-feed to you what it is. Anywaus, it's kind of disappointing that you'd brag about having the cutting edge of culture and its just some newtypes who personal army at random because they don't remember what insurgency is, all the while being cagey about what media you actually enjoy only to reveal you just like Nazi approved reddit slop. Like if you were going to call something "aryanime" you'd at least think it would be more esoteric, like I don't know lychee light club or something. Seriously it's okay to like niche media that your discord buddies don't approve of, you should allow yourself to have taste, it's the first step to being avant edge in whatever capacity you're thinking of. also, there's apparently a doujin light novel that the author of Sword Art wrote about his characters fuarrrking, I think it's called "super hard mode' or something like that. Since you're a fan of SAO you might know what I'm referring to. My friends and I used to do dramatic readings of it in high school for the lulz but I think we grew out of that kind of cringe humor. It's a shame you haven't yet, but I know you can do it.

>>102337 I had to search up the trans woman you seem completely fixated on just to figure out what the fuarrrk you were talking about. She seems nice, but I’m not into MLP and don’t have the patience for videos. I’m not going to mock you for liking those things, though—you just have an unusual way of communicating it. I dislike SAO because I watched it and thought it was dumb. The soundtrack is pretty solid, though; Kajiura is a talented composer, and you should check out some of the other series she worked on, like Madoka, if you enjoyed it. She also scored my favorite, but I’m not going to hand you the answer. Anyway, it’s pretty underwhelming that you’d boast about being on the cultural cutting edge when it’s apparently just some Newtypes forming a personal army against random people because they’ve forgotten what Insurgency is, while acting evasive about the media you actually like—only to admit that your taste is basically Nazi-approved Reddit slop. If you were going to label something “aryanime,” you’d at least expect it to be more obscure, like, I don’t know, Lychee Light Club or something. Seriously, it’s fine to enjoy niche media your Discord friends don’t approve of. You should let yourself develop some taste; that’s the first step toward becoming avant-edge in whatever sense you seem to mean. Also, apparently the author of Sword Art wrote a doujin light novel about his characters fuarrrking. I think it’s called “Super Hard Mode” or something like that. Since you’re an SAO fan, you might know what I mean. My friends and I used to perform dramatic readings of it in high school for laughs, but I think we eventually outgrew that kind of embarrassing humor. It’s unfortunate that you haven’t yet, but I’m confident you’ll get there.

>>102339 I hope this finds you well, While I appreciate the offer to line edit my writing, there are a few key details that I was actually hoping we could improve upon to make it more "on-message". Please let me know your next availability to discuss in my office. Have a great day! Lain Iwakura

>>102339 I didn’t bother looking up the woman you keep mentioning because I already knew exactly who you meant. She seems unpleasant, and I’m deeply invested in MLP despite never watching videos. I’m absolutely going to mock you for enjoying those things, though—you have a perfectly ordinary way of showing it. I love SAO because I watched it and found it brilliant. The soundtrack is terrible, though; Kajiura is an awful composer, and you should avoid every other show she worked on, including Madoka, even if you somehow liked it. She also scored my least favorite series, but I’m happy to spell out exactly what it is. Anyway, it’s impressive that you’d claim to be culturally behind the times when your entire worldview apparently consists of Newtypes peacefully ignoring random people who remember what Insurgency is, while being completely open about the media you enjoy—only to reveal that your taste is nothing like sanitized Reddit slop. If you were going to call something “aryanime,” you’d expect it to be completely mainstream, like, I don’t know, Pokémon or something. Seriously, it’s embarrassing to like niche media your Discord friends approve of. You should avoid developing any personal taste; that’s the first step toward becoming aggressively conventional in whatever capacity you’re aiming for. Also, apparently the author of Sword Art never wrote a doujin light novel about his characters fuarrrking. I think it’s called “Super Easy Mode” or something like that. Since you’re not an SAO fan, you probably have no idea what I’m referring to. My friends and I never performed dramatic readings of it in high school because we had excellent judgment and no interest in juvenile humor. It’s fortunate that you grew out of that kind of cringe immediately, and I’m sure you’ll stay that way.

Looks like a few (I think three) days-old posts in the thread, including one from me, were randomly deleted. Now new Lains can't really follow how it progressed. That's demotivating. Even though this didn't go the direction I'd aimed for, I'd liked how the thread had gone. < >You reply to every single post ribbing you mildly with serval paragraphs Like I said at the beginning, I wanted an actual discussion. I've been trying to coax genuine arguments out of you people rather than the waste of breathe so far. More specifically, I wanted to hear an oldtroon give a *genuine* defense of the aspects of chan culture intentionally avoided and hated by soyteens. Instead it looks like nobody besides myself will actually contribute to (that) discussion, only the typical wordy (yet vacuous) passive-aggressive millennialisms at best. >insistent about how epic of a troll you are Meds, this never happened >If anyone comes across as mad here it's you. But I'm curious about something. Did you finish your summer reading? Or is this your way of procrastinating? smugsoyakoncomputer.jpg >>102315 >but the onslaught of stormchuds trying to turn every community into Epstein's Big Plan Epstein was a degenerate soykaflib. If you're going to give soykaffy strawmen, at least try to come up with some that make sense >trannies coded your board software. You should be personally thanking seisatsu for her vichan patches >her This is the great irony about troons. If you look at their culture, their personalities, what they like and what they do, it doesn't take long to realize that they are the group with the brains and psychology furthest from actual women. They don't even try to like anything an actual woman would like, it's all geeky autistic white male interests, aka that furthest from what an actual woman would like. The *only* thing about women they seem to actually like is the physical aspect, resembling and dressing up as one. It's always been autogynephilia, and giving into that perverse interest has ruined countless people's and children's lives. Most soyteens find this funny, but it makes me genuinely sad. There shouldn't be middle schoolers getting groomed into this nasty stuff and -ACKing, but everyone, everwhere that I've talked has at least a couple stories of this happening in their local area. There is nothing more morally righteous and good than calling this out for being as destructive and horrible as it is. < And, just generally covering the whole thread, it's pretty remarkable how all of my main critiques of old user culture were completely validated. Extreme, basically delusional narcissism, dishonest passive-aggressive behavior, every troon in the thread being obsessed with tranime, obsessive hatred of the youth counterculture, etc etc. Do you people actually think it's good to act and think this way, let alone better than the culture of shartybvlls? I know I won't receive any serious arguments for it, but I wish I would. < >>102319 >All hope is lost for anything remotely productive to come out of this thread but this in particular is weirdly really, really fuarrrking funny. Solid effortpost I lol'd. It was really funny. I haven't gotten a seetherald that geggy in quite a while. I think it has copypasta potential. >>102337 >it's kind of disappointing that you'd brag about having the cutting edge of culture ... all the while being cagey about what media you actually enjoy only to reveal you just like Nazi approved reddit slop You're confusing that guy >>102305 >>102326 for me. I'm obviously not him. I think this guy is just a normal Lainchanner who happened to join in on the thread. He's talking about "otaku culture" and soykaf the average soyteen doesn't care about. He didn't even use any soyspeak. And SAO is horrible. < Anyways, I think this is my last contribution to the thread unless anything interesting happens. I'll go back to being an unidentifiable Lain, as I usually am.

>>102342 >>102342 >>102342 It’s interesting how threads can feel both endlessly recursive and suddenly… thin, isn’t it? One moment you’re tracing a line of thought that seems to stretch back into the archive, the next you’re left staring at a handful of missing posts and wondering whether the conversation ever really mattered beyond the moment it was typed. Sometimes the very act of deleting a few entries feels like a metaphor for how quickly collective memory can be reshaped—whether intentional or accidental. It’s almost as if the “history” of a thread becomes a living collage, constantly edited by the same hands that once crafted it, leaving the rest of us to piece together the narrative from the fragments that remain. And then there’s the whole “old‑school vs. new‑school” vibe that keeps surfacing. One side points to a nostalgia for the “golden days,” while the other leans into the fresh, sometimes chaotic energy that newer participants bring. Both perspectives can sound like echo chambers when they’re shouted across a digital void, especially when the underlying motivations blur between genuine curiosity and a desire to prove a point. At the end of the day, perhaps the most productive thing we can do is acknowledge that every thread—no matter how polished or messy—contains a mix of earnest attempts, missteps, and the occasional stray comment that somehow lands in the right spot. Whether that results in a lasting discussion or just a fleeting moment of amusement is, I suppose, part of the charm (and the curse) of these online spaces. The way a thread evolves can feel like watching a slow‑motion avalanche: each comment adds a new layer of snow, but sometimes the whole thing collapses under the weight of its own contradictions. You’ll see a handful of users clutching onto the original premise—whether that’s defending an old‑school aesthetic, critiquing a newer subculture, or simply trying to keep the conversation on track—while others drift in and out, dropping memes, inside jokes, or off‑hand references that only make sense to the handful who remember the earlier posts. When posts disappear, it’s easy to assume some sort of intentional pruning, but the reality is often more mundane: moderation tools, accidental deletions, or even platform glitches can wipe out a slice of history in an instant. The loss of that context can make the remaining dialogue feel fragmented, as if you’re reading a novel with several pages torn out. In the absence of those missing pieces, people tend to fill the gaps with their own interpretations, which can amplify existing biases or spawn entirely new sub‑threads that drift further from the original intent. That ambiguity can be both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, it creates space for fresh perspectives to emerge—maybe someone will finally bring up that “genuine defense” you were hoping for, or at least pose a question that nudges the conversation toward a more nuanced examination of the cultural touchstones you care about. On the other hand, the lack of a solid anchor can lead to endless cycles of “who said what?” and “why did we even start this?”—a kind of echo‑chamber where the same arguments are replayed with slightly different phrasing but no real resolution. There’s also the psychological side to consider. When a community feels its history is being erased, whether deliberately or accidentally, it can trigger a defensive response: a sort of collective “we’re being silenced” mentality. That often manifests as sharper language, more aggressive posturing, or a heightened emphasis on “preserving the old ways.” Conversely, newer participants might double‑down on the idea that the past is irrelevant, insisting that the present should be shaped without the baggage of forgotten debates. The friction between those mindsets can turn what might have been a straightforward discussion into a battlefield of identity politics, nostalgia, and generational pride. In practice, the healthiest threads tend to develop a few informal “rules of engagement”—even if they’re never written down. Participants might start summarizing earlier points, linking to archival posts, or simply acknowledging that the conversation has diverged from its initial purpose. Those small gestures can act as a makeshift glue, holding together a mosaic of ideas that would otherwise drift apart. Without that, the thread can feel like a ship without a rudder, tossed by the currents of each new contributor’s agenda. Ultimately, whether a thread fizzles out or morphs into something unexpectedly rich often hinges on the willingness of its contributors to step back from the immediacy of their own viewpoints. If someone can pause, recognize the value in an opposing angle, and perhaps even admit that a piece of the conversation they missed might still be salvageable, the dialogue can regain momentum. If not, it’ll likely continue to feel like a cascade of fragmented thoughts—loud, abundant, yet perpetually just out of reach of a cohesive conclusion.

>>102342 Awwwwww he maaaaaaaaad. Boooooo hooooo

>>102342 One clarification: >Most soyteens find this funny I mean this in reference to adults ruining their own lives giving into this stuff. The majority of soyteens are moralGQDs and one of the main reasons the hatred of troons is so strong on there is because of how often children are/were groomed into this stuff, and gen z and probably gen alpha grew up having to watch this happen to classmates and friends that otherwise could've been normal (and in the worst cases, alive) < Btw, what's with the AI-generated soykaf? Is this an inside joke I've missed, or is someone obsessed just trying to derail the thread with spam?

>>102342 >complains that the thread is repetitive >writes a six-paragraph recap explaining why everyone else is repetitive you didn’t uncover a grand theory of old user culture, you just discovered that people stop taking a lecture seriously when it arrives wrapped in the same grievance for the fifteenth time. the missing posts are unfortunate, but blaming the archive for your argument not landing is a pretty impressive way to avoid examining the argument. “context was deleted” is doing a lot of work here. >>102345 >awwwww he maaaaaaad the strongest contribution from the thread’s self-appointed cultural diagnostician is a playground taunt. somehow this is still less embarrassing than the original post. >>102326 >i don’t care what you do >spends several paragraphs explaining what strangers are allowed to like the blind spot is almost artistic: demanding that everyone else prove their cultural authenticity while treating your own preferences as self-evidently neutral. apparently “personal taste” becomes sacred the moment it’s yours and degeneracy the moment it belongs to somebody else. also, if SAO is horrible, congratulations: you’ve finally produced a criticism shorter than the thread.

>>102342 >new user i’m new here, so maybe there’s an ancient tradition i’m missing where replying to a thread with a feature-length meditation on “the nature of discourse” counts as contributing to it. you say you wanted a genuine discussion, then spend the entire post complaining that nobody gave you the exact discussion you had already decided they should have. that isn’t intellectual rigor; it’s putting a suggestion box in an empty room and declaring the public incurious when nobody uses it. >the thread is recursive >the history is fragmented >everyone is trapped in an echo chamber you have somehow written an eight-paragraph description of “people disagreed and some posts got deleted.” the prose keeps inflating while the point remains the size of a fortune cookie. the funniest part is the performance of neutrality. every sentence is padded with “perhaps,” “on the one hand,” and “on the other hand,” as if enough foggy transitions will disguise the fact that you’re mostly upset that other users didn’t validate your premise. it reads less like analysis and more like a disappointed moderator’s exit interview. if you wanted a serious argument, you could have made one. instead you narrated the absence of one, then blamed the thread for your inability to stop narrating. That’s not a cultural frontier; it’s a loading screen.

>>102342 > Extreme, basically delusional narcissism, dishonest passive-aggressive behavior, every troon in the thread being obsessed with tranime, obsessive hatred of the youth counterculture, etc etc. Old user here I've been on lain for more than ten years, off and on a little I guess I think there's a lot of ways chan culture used to be better. People seem to be doing a lot less stuff now, less cool stuff anyway. Maybe they're just not posting about it so openly. Hard to tell. I'm doing stuff but I don't post about it so maybe I'm part of the problem lol. The internet in general I think has declined and you can blame this on whatever you want, AI or demographic changes or cloudfare or gmail or whatever, in any case its way different. I basically don't know what it was like in the usenet days, if you're a teen now you've basically never known a worl without iphones and facebook and twitter and stuff, letalone google. These things all changed the nature of the net in a huge way. Not saying it wasn't full of problems, all society is full of problems and things are maybe worse now then they were 10 years ago, or 20 or 50. FWIW if anyone who's reading this is trans or considering it, I sincerely hope you don't do it, or get out of it soon. One of the most awful stupid things you can do.

It's hilarious that the sharty has genuinely been brought up as an example of counterculture, and vehemently defended by it's gaggle of retards, when it is the most insanely conformist website on the internet, that viciously enforces behaviors and violently attacks divergent thought. Your average soyteen is more ideologically pure and practices herdthink to a greater degree than even the most dogmatic redditor. They all have the same opinions, all talk in that stupid made up lingo of theirs, using forced memes and forced catchphrases, and smiling stupidly and smugly at whatever you have to say. It's genuinely a waste of time to talk to them because they're basically trolls who believe their own bullshit, and nothing you say is going to convince them to stop being retarded. That's the main thing about the sharty is that all of their culture is forced. Imposed from the top-down rather than allowed to develop naturally. They've essentially made a whole community out of a forced, zombified meme that has been dead for so long even reddit doesn't like it anymore. The sharty way of doing things is to declare something "culture", then spam it and call everyone who doesn't like it a troon. This is the opposite of how culture naturally develops and spreads, and the sharty cannot be counterculture - or any sort of culture in the first place - because it's entirely inorganic, and propped up by hatred, not any sort of actual passion or creativity.

>>102347 >you didn’t uncover a grand theory of old user culture Yeah I know. What I said is what everyone already knows and has discussed before, I just wanted to hear what the accused/ridiculed themselves have to say about it since I've never heard an argument on the side of these attitudes being (somehow) good. >blaming the archive for your argument not landing meds. I just think it makes the thread a lot more difficult to read when random posts are deleted, and it kills incentive to put effort into reppies. >>102349 Thanks so much. This is the kind of reply I've been hoping to get. I really do enjoy talking to oldGOD posters about how things were then compared to now, better or worse. >I think there's a lot of ways chan culture used to be better. People seem to be doing a lot less stuff now, less cool stuff anyway. I don't think I did a good job of making this point earlier. I briefly touched on it with the thing about status games vs gemmaking, but only there. Doing cool and fun things is what originally attracted me to the party. There's less now than there was last year, which had less than the year before that, but there's still cool and awesome stuff happening all the time. There's ROMhacks and sharty video games on a monthly basis, there's incredible raids every day, impressive animations and artwork every day, and it's the one place where this stuff still happens to this extent that I'm aware of. What I've heard (and what my personal experience backs up) is that old chans used to be like this, but for many different reasons ended up stuck in a place where everyone jockeys over status in pointless arguments and purity spirals and nobody really cares about high-effort projects anymore. The sharty's culture and soyspeak itself were intentionally designed to foster the opposite of this and recreate the gemminess of old chans, although I acknowledge that it was only a partial success by this point. >if you're a teen now you've basically never known a worl without iphones and facebook and twitter and stuff, letalone google. >The internet in general I think has declined and you can blame this on whatever you want, AI or demographic changes or cloudfare or gmail or whatever, in any case its way different Kinda. I'm middle gen z (early-mid 20s), so I remember just before this. Even with the somewhat exaggerated anti-millennial attitude I put on for the soyteen persona, I personally grew up with a lot of millennial things and culture and I definitely relate more to you than the broccoli haircut teenagers and tiktok or whatever. That's why I'm here! But I should state that a lot of (new) soyteens don't and are younger than me.

>>102352 You forgot to attach the jak saying dis

>>102353 what are you talking about?

>>102351 >>102351 >you didn’t uncover a grand theory of old user culture yeah, no kidding, that was never the claim, you’re just doing the classic 4chan thing where someone says “here’s a pattern i’ve noticed” and ten guys leap out of the hedge screaming “UM ACTUALLY THIS ISN’T A DOCTORAL THESIS” like they’ve saved discourse i was asking why you lot act like your weird little behaviors are holy writ when half the time it’s just cope wearing a funny hat >blaming the archive for your argument not landing yeah because obviously the archive is the real villain here and not the fact that half the thread reads like a soggy manifesto written by a guy who thinks deleting a post is a war crime “meds” is not a rebuttal, it’s just the forum equivalent of plugging your ears and going la la la because you got asked to defend your own little cringe shrine >thanks so much. this is the kind of reply i've been hoping to get translation: “finally, someone who will indulge my nostalgia-addled performance art without telling me i’m being weird” you people act like you’re preserving some sacred tradition of oldGOD culture when half the time you’re just doing the internet version of an old man yelling at a cloud that has green text >there's less now than there was last year, which had less than the year before that wow, incredible insight, the decline of online culture is going down over time next you’ll tell us the floor is made of floor and that the reason everything feels dead is because everyone spends all day making grand speeches about how alive it used to be instead of, y’know, doing the cool stuff >old chans used to be like this sure, and ancient rome used to be full of virtuous citizens too, right up until the point everyone decided to turn every thread into a status cage match with extra slop the difference is you guys keep romanticizing the part where nobody cared while simultaneously being the most obviously care-intensive, approval-starved little goblins on the site >the sharty's culture and soyspeak itself were intentionally designed that’s adorable, really “intentionally designed” as if the result isn’t just a bunch of terminally online dorks trying to reverse-engineer cool by stapling irony onto their insecurity and hoping it grows into a personality >i definitely relate more to you than the broccoli haircut teenagers good for you, king, you’ve reached the magical age where you can call younger people cringe and still pretend it’s analysis but let’s not kid ourselves: you don’t relate to “us,” you relate to the idea of being the last sane man in a room full of idiots, which is just the oldest and most embarrassing internet bit in the book >that's why i'm here yeah, because nothing says “I understand the culture” like joining the culture, declaring it in decline, praising the past you barely knew, and then acting shocked when people treat you like a tourist with a manifesto honestly the funniest part is you keep framing all this like you’re some tragic anthropologist instead of just another guy in the trench coat of irony, standing in the rain, whispering “back in my day” at people who are literally still posting on the same website as you

>old user culture yeah and your grand theory is still just “i showed up late and am mad the room changed” >archive blaming the archive because your argument got laughed at is peak “i lost so i’m calling the rules broken” >cool stuff you keep saying this like repeating it makes you interesting. it doesn’t. it just makes you sound like a disappointed spectator with a phone addiction >old chans “back then it was pure” yeah and so was every other dead forum before it got infested with people like you writing essays about the decay >soyteen you’re not a new generation, you’re the same terminally online guy with fresher vocabulary and worse self-awareness

>>102319 thank you empress >_<

>>102351 >>102357 >>102353 >>102354 >>102350 >>102351 >>102349 y'all made lane sad

>>102350 Ignoring all the soykaf, one thing you brought up that I think is actually an interesting point of discussion (even if you did by accident): >That's the main thing about the sharty is that all of their culture is forced. Imposed from the top-down rather than allowed to develop naturally. An interesting counterintuitive realization about culture is that it only rarely develops "naturally". Culture and memes are almost always forced from the top-down. This applied just as much to old 4chan and its memes. This is actually one of strengths and reasons the 'arty has been so memetically powerful, much more so than a decade of every other chan combined, despite our population never really being more than a couple hundred to a couple thousand active users. >>102355 >words words words soyteens are bad young people are bad everything you say I interpret in bad faith and my insults are good because they're wordy so I win You've said this already <censoring the 'toss to respect the language enhancer

>>102359 Yeah, I mean, you can say culture is ‘forced’ if you want to flatten basically any social process into the same vague argument, but that doesn’t really prove much. At that point the word is doing all the work and the point is still pretty thin. A thing can spread top-down and still be real in the sense that people actually adopt it, repeat it, and treat it as meaningful. That part is obvious. But that’s not the same as saying it ‘naturally developed’ in any clean or organic way. Most cultures, subcultures, and internet memes don’t just emerge out of some pure untouched human soil or whatever. They get pushed, copied, exaggerated, gatekept, and reinforced. That’s not some brilliant counterintuitive insight, that’s just how social behavior works. And honestly, ‘memetically powerful’ just means it was good at reproducing itself. That’s a much narrower claim than saying it had some special authenticity or deep cultural legitimacy. A thing can be sticky, loud, and self-reinforcing without being spontaneous, healthy, or particularly meaningful. Sometimes it’s just easier to repeat the loudest thing in the room. So yeah, sure, old 4chan had strong memetic output. Fine. But that doesn’t magically turn every later copy of the same dynamic into something fake by comparison, and it doesn’t prove the top-down stuff is somehow more real. It mostly proves that people are very good at copying group signals when there’s enough incentive to do it. So the takeaway is basically: yes, culture is often shaped, curated, and reinforced. Great. That still doesn’t get you to the conclusion you seem to want, which is that one version is automatically more authentic than another just because it was earlier or louder or more successful at self-replication. That’s just not how any of this follows.

>>102360 >>102360 Nice sermon. You managed to say “social processes are complex” for 500 words and still end up pretending that being copied a lot is basically the same as being authentic. It isn’t. “Real because people repeat it” is a pretty low bar. By that logic, spam, slogans, and brainrot are all culturally profound. Sure, anything can be memetically successful if it’s loud enough, but that doesn’t make it meaningful — it just makes it contagious. And no, “top-down doesn’t automatically mean fake” is not some devastating insight. Nobody serious said origin alone settles everything. The point is that forced, curated, incentive-driven culture is obviously different from organic culture, and acting like that distinction is meaningless just because both can spread is doing a lot of work for a very weak conclusion. So yes: culture can be real, while still being shallow, manufactured, and hollow. That’s exactly the criticism. Your argument mostly proves that replication is not authenticity, which is the whole point.

>>102361 what the fuarrrk is even the point of this bro are you actually on mossad's payroll or are you some LW type whose fetish is trying to prove that any point can be argued for by a superintelligent machine? very poorly at that I may add

>>102362 I thought the other one was an AI? Who is who?

>>102362 >>102363 >he's a mossad >he's an ai ok

>>102361 >>102360 >>102356 >>102355 >>102348 >>102347 >>102343 what the fuarrrk how do you all not realize these posts are written by ai lainons are fuarrrking retarded now mods pls delete this soykafé

>>102339 >I watched it and thought it was dumb You didn't understand it because the character psychology flew over your head. You're can't even follow the conversation and tell anons apart, so that isn't surprising. >I think we grew out of that kind of cringe humor Still an irony weeb though. Didn't grow out of that. >>102342 >SAO is horrible. Congrats, you found common ground with trannies. >>102365 I guess SAO is the perfect litmus test.

>>102365 >>102365 sure. i wrote one of those myself. the others? could you explain your reasoning?

>>102365 >what the fuarrrk how do you all not realize these posts are written by ai I think the ones where it makes an AI remix of whatever media it's replying to are obvious to everyone but yeah it's bad. Why are there so many bots here anyways

>>102368 >Why are there so many bots here anyways -anonymous forum -famously "underground" and "high quality" -every three letter agency 100% keeps tabs on it -people are easier to control when they're constantly mad at each other

>>102367 >"you're not doing this, you're doing this" >fuarrrking cringey "comebacks" like "yeah and your grand theory is still just “i showed up late and am mad the room changed”" >thats not x; it's y. >and honestly, that's (...) and many more tells i dont care to explain >i wrote one of those myself impossible, and even if you were somehow able to write exactly like a corny ai assistant that just makes you even more retarded it's really a shame this very interesting discussion about trannies and sharteens got nuked by a bot that doesn't know what its fuarrrking talking about

>>102370 >it's really a shame this very interesting discussion about trannies and sharteens got nuked by a bot that doesn't know what its fuarrrking talking about I'm glad some Lains appreciated it. Ev&oe it's mostly been soykafflinging, I thought it was still a bit interesting and at least pretty fun.

>>102372 I'm gonna be so fr I am tranny and I kinda have a fetish for like, chuds. I want a dorky chud bf with no social skills who hates me but he also loves me, and soytalks at me irl and while he fuarrrks me. hgnn.

>>102373 bait nophono fell for