People who you don't get all the glazing about

What people are often praised as some kind of geniuses in the public space that you don't really get what all that praise is all about? For me it's Johnatan Blow. I often hear how he's supposedly brilliant every time he's brought up, but for me he's just a guy who made a single famous game and some proprietary compiler nobody cares about. He's mostly known for his opinions on how everything is bad and wrong but he doesn't really have any good solutions because he lacks good perspective. People locked in C/C++ mindset are often like that. They don't understand that you can't fix everything by doing the same soykaf but harder and "closer to the metal". What are your least favourite computer people, lainon?

glowniggers. they are so incapable and only succesful because they steal the ideas of others.

>who made a single famous game Braid and The Witness were both award-winning games. They're pretty good, I'd say definitely above average with decent gimmicks, but nothing revolutionary and genre-defining. I think he got boosted by the fact that he came in early and got featured in Indie Game: The Movie documentary and he had a kind of pretentious, "my games are about something deeper" persona that people admired and also mocked at the same time. Like, the Soulja Boy playing Braid juxtaposed with him sitting in a dark room crying was a pretty funny meme. As for the compiler, I think he's doing pretty good work there, it definitely has a space in the ecosystem. Smaller devs and teams that worked with C/C++ will probably switch to Jai because it offers a lot of quality of life improvements while giving you the same power. He's a skilled programmer for sure, but calling him a "genius" is very far fetched.

>>101298 Glowniggers like Linus Torwalds who only got popular for creating a copy of a copy of an operating system?

>>101302 I've never liked Linus either. The mindless cattle like to dickride daddy-Linus and his tough love all day. Linus is not and never will be based. Linus is cringe. Everyone copes because he's so embedded into the core of open source and despite his bullshit at this point getting rid of him would either cause no change or be a net negative.

>>101316 Linus is "just" an experienced developer. He has opinions. Those are typically informed and motivated. Most of us are grateful (or should be) for the ecosystems that grew around the kernel. cooders look up to him because there's few heads in the space to look up to.

idk, in the last 4 years all my biggest ops have either faded into obscurity, or become insane AI-addicts and... none of the current "star programmers" are loud enough for me to care

This civilization didn't invent computers, that's why even "the greats" are mediocre. It's much older tech, and that's why society at large doesn't respect it, it wasn't earned.

>>101334 Star programmers are really just nobodies who use a popular medium (streaming and videos) to fill the intellectual vacuum. Most people aren't gonna read old papers from actually imortant people like Nelson or Engelbard, or even something closer to modernity like Rob Pike

>>101295 >he's just a guy who made a single famous He actually hasn't made any games at all, he has released 0 games. Actually even worse, he has released -1 games.

>>101337 are you calling him a Theif ?

>>101302 Is Linus a government operative?

>>101302 >a copy of a copy of an operating system kernel ftfy

>>101295 Blow is quite smart and has some good insight. He has a great insight into work which goes against ordinary advice. Basically, if you feel a higher purpose to your work, what is wrong with being defined by your job? Isn't work/life balance meaningless if work is fulfilling? Of course this really only applies to special people like game developers and scientists, which makes it of narrow applicability... But he does say some stupid things now and then, and I wonder if it's because his fans won't challenge him on it. They nod along when he says something like "all mainstream operating systems have terrible designs", yet he will not elaborate on what is bad and how they can be improved. Then he says silly things like 'If I had the time I would make an operating system... but I probably won't'. Yeah, sure you would. It's just intellectually boring to state opinions for no reason. Opinion by itself is completely and totally useless. I despise people who suck up to him for saying things they agree with. He is an excellent puzzle designer at least. Braid and Witness had good puzzle, though I am not a fan of his narrative ideas. I've read Invisible Cities and can understand what he is going for, but I dislike narrative as a complex metaphor a person must become a metagame analyzer to understand. There is nothing more profound said through such methods than can be said another way. I like the narrative which is generally straightforward, a bit nonlinear and will not make things so obvious out of respect for the intelligence of the reader, that they have room to discover things and see a kind of model of the world created in a story. But going too far with metaphor makes a story strained and calcified, and I felt that in Braid. >>101295 I am commenting again to respond to your actual prompt on people you don't get the hype about. One guy I don't get is Eric S. Raymond. He is solely famous for a book and the famous 'Jargon File', both of which are irrelevant today beyond historical perspective. Open-source is definitely a different beast now than it used to be. A YouTuber who bugs me is LowLevelTV. He peddles junk about 'low level programming'. I actually do this stuff, so I checked him out, and watched some video where he said roughly 'the only difference in low level programming is that the memory addresses have special meanings'. Either he is an idiot, or he panders to idiots.

I want him to go on a rant about hobbies sometimes in the same vein as his work-life balance rant. Any time someone feels aimless or bored nowadays, the first suggestion is, "Find a hobby! Find a hobby!" This has always felt dumb to me. Hobbies were never meant to be a significant part of anyone's life. Your life should really be made up of your work, your friends, and your family. Consequently, if your life as an adult is like kicking dead whales down the beach, it's probably because of either your work, your friends, or your family. There's nothing wrong with getting into video game collecting or watching sports or whatever, but it's not really going to affect your life in the way people are telling you it can.

>>101413 (cont.) It also just promotes a really harmful and negative mindset, to believe that attaining happiness in this world doesn't come from making changes to your immediate environment which you have control over (A.K.A. your job, your family, & your friends) but rather that it depends on something totally outside you that you have no control over. Like one day you're just gonna stumble into butterfly collecting or Warhammer 40k fig painting and then your life's gonna magically be fixed. Real life doesn't work this way. It's a very alien mindset to how America worked 100 years ago. Imagine telling your great-grandfather that you need to find a hobby. He'd just look at you like, WTF? He'd just say, "How's your career going? Where's your wife? Do you have a son yet? No? Then why are you talking about this stuff to me?"

>>101413 Why wait for Blow to rant on it? You already feel what the problem is, don't you? Do you need it affirmed by somebody else? I certainly agree with you too. Making yourself more busy is a bad idea. People would lead more fulfilling lives if they stripped the things out more often. Anyone would feel better if they stop using social media or watching television. We are lead to hobbies, especially creative hobbies, because of media idolatory, and wanting to emulate what we see. Really, it should only be the people innately compelled who ought to dive into this kind of work. Those people who have an independent, withdrawn, and naturally creation-oriented disposition shall do as they do, and everyone else should free themselves of any expectation to amount to this. I'm tired of the dominant 'nerd' attitude that hobbies are the only dignified aspect of life, because on a greater scale they rapidly shrink in significance.

>>101415 Sometimes its nice to hear another thoughtful perspective on the same problems that you have thoughts on, either to affirm or to refine your understanding on the situation. Furthermore whatever ideas I may have, I do not have a great platform to reach large numbers of people effectively. Slightly more prominent figures like Blow can start a bit of a larger conversation about a topic, even if its merely affirming what I've already thought.

>>101415 > Do you need it affirmed by somebody else? No, but it would be satisfying. More importantly though, it could save so many of today's teenagers in 2026 from wasting a decade as a manchild. It's crazy though, thinking back. Even in the 2000's the attitude was totally different. Video games, movies, & hobbies were ever-present but they weren't a thing anyone took seriously. Movies were just this thing of like, "Hey we can't go out tonight. Wanna watch that movie we have instead?" to save the night from being wasted. The idea you would actually care about this stuff was so unnatural. You might have 1 or 2 shows you tune into weekly with the family, but that was about it.

>>101417 You keep talking about this family man vs manchild paradigm as if family is worth a dime in this economy and monkmaxxing isn't the way to preserve not only your finances but also your sanity

>>101419 monkmaxing is suicide by time.

>>101421 Monkmaxxing implies that you're actually filling that time up with something meaningful, which is something the modern manchild does not do. You can't mentally compare yourself to Isaac Newton (a lifelong bachelor), when he spent his entire life on his work, whereas you spend your time playing video games

>>101419 >You keep talking about this family man vs manchild paradigm >as if family is worth a dime in this economy If you value family for it's own thing, it doesn't matter what they cost you. Plus the archetypical manchild wastes the good fortune of his surplus money on depreciating soykaf, like game consoles and mass-produced plastic statues, so both aren't really saving their money. I think we should prefer to be indifferent to our finances anyway. I can't speak for you, but I am thoroughly working class, owning no property, and see very little upwards mobility at the moment. So, saving most of money as I already do helps to make my current position more comfortable, but little more than that. So paradoxically, I'm quite a penny pincher, but I also feel indifferent to money.

>>101413 It's because most people's work is even more meaningless than hobbies, isn't it? >>101417 People care too much about fictional media because "real life" has failed to demonstrate being more valuable or real than fiction. Most efforts don't go anywhere & often cause more problems & pain. Most people are liars that don't care about anything & will throw you under the bus at the first opportunity. There's nothing to invest in, there's no payoff, so grinding numbers in a game seems just as real. Investing in yourself is difficult too, you can't tell if you're improving or getting worse or even if you can perceive it you can still be wrong about it, it's very hard without external support.

>>101413 Hobby is a social construct. That's just your opinion that it's something that was never meant to be significant. Someone else might use other words to describe the structure of their time, use other ways of living that don't involve caring about money or the concept of job altogether, etc. It's your own fault that you put any significance in frameworks imposed onto you and struggle to find them meaningful.

>>101429 daddy is going to rant about it and DESTROY you imagine being born because your dad was insecure about not being a big boy the funny thing about the chudy trad larp is that they can't stop thinking about happiness; whatever lifestyle they are trying to sell you, it is ultimately under a hedonistic argument. they can't fathom the idea of a higher purpose or goal where happiness is an accidental byproduct (if it's there at all). it's even worse when they link it with christian mythology: christ said it explicitly that following him will not give you happiness in life, neither short- nor long- term I think it is because they're just bored. lack of purpose is too humane of a feeling, these people are more like dogs or wild hogs, they simply don't have emotions that sophisticated. they're bored and they mistake that for lack of purpose because they read something like that on the internet and thought it was cool and last but not least, the poster you're replying to has never worked a day in his life. notice I wrote "his", no woman can sound that gay

>>101430 well, I mean. Nobody would think that someone who lists stereotypical male hobbies and has brainworms consisting of 1950s man stereotypes (me = my job + my famiy, everything else is what women and children do) could be a woman

Why do people think that having a viewpoint which was universal in 1950's America and Europe is just a completely unfathomable and insane thing to believe nowadays? It hasn't even been 100 years yet. All I'm getting is like, "WOW dude nice larp! You hold these values simply because you're insecure and immature, and not because you just see the world differently from I do". It's just gay ad hominem all the way down.

I don't blame you for being born within the years of like 1980 to 2010 and having a certain viewpoint on life and the world, but to take your set of values and just project it backward onto the past and then call them morons when they don't conform to your values is just braindead. Do you think we magically just figured out how the entire world works in the past 40 years? And your grandfather's generation was just kind of dumb and naive? You think they didn't have really really good reasons for doing things the way they did?

>>101295 he look like the guy from fine young cannibals

>>101433 because having your entire persona hang on your masculinity and having your masculnity fully performative and hinging on your job and outside appearance of a good family is cringe and exactyl what (((they)) want you to do.

>>101433 Because it is not 1950s anymore? The entire idea of nuclear family + American paradise was about being somebody who has a place in the society. Most of us have no place in the modern society, all of it turned subjective, temporary and interchangeable. GenZ can't afford soykaf and they get blamed by genM and genB -- who raised genZ yet refuse to take the responsibility, because they expect genZ to ride on the roller coaster of fun just like they did, set up for them by the state. Roller coaster that does not exist anymore. It's genB and genM who can count on retirement and government paychecks. GenZ will get nothing because when they get old enough this entire pink world will not exist anymore. You can't just graduate university and get employed anymore, that is not enough. You can't just be a man, that is not enough. Divorce rates are all-time high and there's a gender war going on. Your future wife is hypnotized by a science brick 100% of her free time that constantly tells her how bad you are. Only Indians larp as try-hard hustlers and grinders. You can't just live in a concrete block with nothing going on for you and at the same time larp as a trad-man. Gonna escape the block by flipping burgers very hard? >>101434 They had their "reasons", being psyopped, lead poisoned, fluoridated, SSRI-dated, asbestos filled and believing in the "noble savage" & tabula rasa fantasies. *Replaced b-word, z-word, m-word and another b-word because of the nice and awesome word filter.

>>101437 >fluoridated fuarrrking retard

>>101437 and why don't we have a place ? because we were thrust into a place that didn't want us ? because that society that was built for us was burned down by our parents' and grandparents' generations?

putting aside the fact that that vision of the 50s is fake and the product of propaganda and revisionist history what's the reasoning for reminiscing that while complaining about the modern world? it's literally >I HATE THIS CHICKEN >REMEMBER HOW GREAT THE EGG WAS!?

>>101439 I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

>>101436 >>101437 >>101440 >>101442 So what you're saying here is that the people who built up the modern world from nothing were actually just idiotic and naive, while the generation who is just sitting around and being pessimists are actually way smarter and wiser? How does this make any sense? The narrative you're applying here to the 1950's generation is nothing more than what the hippies told you. But in the same breath, you're also saying that these people were greedy morons who destroyed the West and ruined everything. Stop trying to have it both ways. If these people were naive idiots who had no clue what they were doing, then maybe it's time to realize they were wrong about the 1950's too.

It is literally irrelevant what a generation addicted to TikTok, video games, and weed has to say about the generation that created skyscrapers, highways, and cars. You want to tell me that the world is declining, but you're not part of the problem? >But our institutions are corrupt Okay, so start your own business. You know that's legal right? No one is forcing you to be mediocre and sit around smoking weed all day.

>>101444 you are clinically retarded. Anything is bad in high doses? You act super smug and smart but you simply lack the understanding of the basics. Matter of fact, your body has fluorides in it naturally. You know that opioud consumption leads to addiction? Guess what? You body produces opioids. This is why the "do you own research" crowd all act like fuarrrking lobotomized retards. They read papers that weren't written for them in an area they know nothing about and think that they understand it all know. But they don't.

>>101448 for context: I have an MD and you heard some retards repeating conspiracy theories about the government putting fluorodies in the water to make people stupid. This is some Alex Johnes/RFK Jr tier mental sludge and spreading it is what actually makes you stupid

>>101446 dont forget the generation that created suburbia from govt sponsored loans laying the start to modern us housing market

>>101449 Upset that your degree is worthless now that people know it's all a lie?

TBD. Zoomerwaffen. Day of the Pillow. Because the beauty of the 2020 alt girl must not perish from the earth.

>>101450 Yeah, and? When our civilization is nothing but ash and rubble, and humanity breaks back down into tribes, there's gonna be like a band of Eskimos in the year 3000 that venture down south from Canada into New York, and they're gonna crap themselves thinking, "HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THESE GIANT SCULPTURES THAT STRETCH UP TO THE CLOUDS!!!" "HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THESE MASSIVE BRIDGES MADE OF STONE!!!" Do you not understand how amazing skyscrapers and highways are? Literally future technology. You right now are basically like some peasant Roman in 400 AD going, "Aquaducts? Who cares?" Like mf what do you mean "who cares". THEY ARE BUILDINGS. THAT STRETCH UP TO THE SKY. Motherfucker we made PLANES. IN THE LAST ONE HUNDRED YEARS!!!!!!! Do you not realize how INSANE that all is? PLANES. WE CAN fuarrrkING FLY NOW. Like have you been propagandized so hard by 2020's pessimism that you can't understand or recognize the miracle of flight? Have you just lost touch with your inner child completely? Break it down for us please, I wanna understand how you reconcile this information.

>>101451 > I'm going to ignore 99% of what you said and try to attack a less relevant detail Just go back to r/Debate or whatever reddit soykafhole you came out of

>>101453 What does it have to do with larping as a 1950s man being stupid in 2026?

>>101453 Skyscrapers are corpo slop, such a waste of effort and time. People need houses not slum office complexes. There's heaps of "flyover land" but instead we're all crammed into cities to placate rich people. This stuff doesn't last either, it's fragile.

>>101455 Because the other guy was trying to say that America of 100 years ago was somehow a land full of naive retards, and like he's SO much better and wiser than them. Like idk dude, maybe the society that discovered the MIRACLE OF fuarrrkING FLIGHT knew a thing or two about how to do things, and actually society now might be better off learning a thing or two from them. >>101456 See, there you go again. "But skyscrapers are bad :(" Mf they INVENTED skyscrapers. That is literally incredible. Nobody had ever done that before. How can you be so brainwashed by ideology that you can't recognize this simple fact? Society is declining, yes, but don't pretend that you're innocent. You are tearing down these incredible achievements, focusing on the negative, and probably not doing anything interesting in your personal lives or your chosen fields of work, all while spitting on the generation that did these incredible things. And it's honestly embarrassing. All you're doing here is trying to find an excuse for leading a mediocre life. Both of you are probably giving up on your dreams in life. You don't write like people who are chasing their dreams.

>>101457 A tall building isn't an invention. Society is declining because people idolize BS that doesn't matter - such as corpo nonsense like skyscrapers.

>>101456 high density is effecient. In large urban centers its either gonna be high density or 5 hour commuts from gigasuburbs and lots and lots of bums because high density housing is not only more effecient but also cheaper. Also skyscrapers are pretty much just a US problem because there's just so little land that isn't zoned for single family houses and doesn't have BООMER hoa soykaf defending it to be either single family home or abandoned because muh land value

>>101457 >maybe the society that discovered the MIRACLE OF fuarrrkING FLIGHT knew a thing or two about how to do things, you'd think that a society that invented the power of electricity and wireless communications would ne wise enough to not start a world war over colonies but as you can see. So just because the smart people of that generation invented something incredible, doesn't mean it didn't hold any stupid beliefs or belifs that dont make sense anymore. I honestly don't really know why do I reply to you because you really seem lobotomized by trad larping. Everyone just keeps telling you how 1950s lifestyle made sense in 1950s but it's no longer 1950s and you keep telling how incredible people back then were and how we all think they were retards for watever reason. > And it's honestly embarrassing. All you're doing here is trying to find an excuse for leading a mediocre life. Well mate, most of 1950s men weren't incredible and neither you are and your family-job larp wont make you any more incredible. You are just coping with being a nobody by painting yourself as some sort of keeper of the old ways who is unlike thouse idealess ZOOMBERS. l But here you are posting on the same dying basket weaving internet forum as me

>>101462 >you'd think that a society that invented the power of electricity and wireless communications would be wise Well, they didn't actually invent those. All these impressive works are from past fallen civilizations and our clown world civilization is merely stealing credit. The authors are dead, so there's no one left to correct the record.

>>101457 Tesla lived all through WWI, and died during WWII, Edison died in the '30s and spent a great deal of time working on projects with deliberate military applications during the war and the 20's. Wilbur died young but Orville lived all through WWI and WWII. Marconi wasn't merely alive he was a senator and an officer of the Italian military during the first World War. Unless you're arguing for something like tartaria you can't say these people were not of the generations responsible for WWI. With the exception of Wilbur Wright all these people were alive and of age to be leaders in government during the war, with the exception of Wilbur Wright and Tesla I think all of them were in some capacity. I'm sure we could list more people but of those alive and active at the time these are some of the greatest inventors, and also some of the greatest of all history. not trying to say these guys in particular are bad, but its clear that generational inventiveness does not prevent the making of terrific, awful decisions

>>101465 sorry responded not to the right post should have been >>101464 chiefly.

>>101445 No, I'm saying last few generations sold the world passed to them by their ancestors for personal selfish hedonistic pleasure. WWII had devastating effects on demography because like any war it does inverse of natural selection, killing the best men and leaving the worst alive.

>>101448 >>101449 An MD who does not know that fluoride accumulates in your brain? An MD who does not know that high doses are irrelevant when accumulation is possible? An MD who is trying to silence the truth by repeating "conspiracies! conspiracies! alex jones! rfk jr! conspiracies! tin foil hat people! flat earth!!!" like a mantra? A doctor who needs to throw his degree around to "add" more value to his retarded opinion out-of-touch with modern data? So, a doctor who is literally a clueless cretin who did not do his own homework? Color me surprised, I'm very shocked to find out that our academia spits out malicious morons who repeat mainstream lies like a broken record (because their livelihood depends on it, but they won't tell you.)

>>101465 I understand your point, and you're also correct to bring up WWII here, because that's the singular cause of the death of Western trad values as we know them now. Because America and Europe were built on the premise that things would just keep getting better, that all the hard labor done by 9 year old factory workers in Manchester and 40 year old felt hat-wearing guys in America was going to matter, that it actually really mattered whether or not you cheated on your wife and obeyed the Bible, because you wanted to build a better world, and the war shattered that idea. But the WWII generation, even though they were misguided, were correct about one thing: It does matter. Everything matters. There are things in this world worth all the effort, things which take 100 hours of work a week to accomplish, monuments which people literally die building. And we live in a society where that mindset is endangered. So I'm not telling you to larp as a 1950's man again, I'm just saying, quit with the pessimist soykaf. Start caring again. It's amazing how defeatist people are nowadays. With the way you guys talk, I'd expect someone was locking you up in cages and feeding you bread crumbs. But who knows. I'm always surprised by people who take the mainstream perspective super seriously. Like they see all this news about Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel and the billionaire class, and to them it's like this ultra-oppressive ironclad unstoppable death machine. Like dude, you realize those are people too right? You realize all of this stuff was just made up by somebody in an office at one point? The whole financial system, the money, it's all fake. Our money's not based on anything, it's not even real. A billionaire's wealth is all speculative, it's all formed around stocks & shares, which are literally not a physical thing at all, it's pure "hopes and dreams". How can you look at a system like this and think it's unstoppable? A system we arbitrarily pulled out of our ass? Think about it. Instead of fantasizing about killing CEOs, how about you just think, "What if the CEO changed his mind...?"

>>101482 Fluoride is in your teeth. Naturally. It is a natural part of your body. To accumulate something means to acquire it in higher does that it is eliminated from the body. End of discussion. You can continue using your brain as fecal matter receptacle. Best of luck. Keep stroking your nipples. You know smart words. You are very smart.

>>101487 I'm really ashamed that we have people like you calling themselves doctors. >erm ackshually human body "naturally" absorbs microscopic traces of minerals from food and water supply, and that means it's entirely natural to gobble up on fluoridated water! >trust the state, the state will ensure your water is fluoridated according to "safety" standards! inb4 >AI overview Yeah I'm doing your homework. Not my fault that search engines became unusable.

>>101486 >monuments which people literally die building The people who want the great monument and the people who die are different people. Corpos or feudal lords - it's same soykaf. The moment the society start to rise it's head and think that maybe sacrificing your health and life for some man's idea of greatness is not something we should be going for the larpers come to say that the west has fallen again. The trad larpers, christian evangelists, and commies are fuarrrking obnoxious with this constant yapping about world ending next friday. > defeatist Where do you keep getting this from? You are told that your work might have no meaning anymore because it's some corporate slop bs job you do for paycheck with your shut off, and that there is nothing wrong with finding other venues for meaning that aren't your job. And you say that this is defeatist. This is just a different way of living? > Our money's not based on anything, it's not even real. Failed economics 101 award. Money is an economic good. Economic good prices are based on supply and demand. While not physical it is very much real. >>101490 > gemini summary as an argument this must be some really fat trolling at this point or you are seriously mentally challenged.

>>101490 Yep. Fluoride was well understood to displace heavier halogens, alter calcium domains, poison several hundred enzyme systems,a nd lower IQ by like the 50's. That's why it's in the water. Like fuarrrkin' DUH. And then we've got retards like that guy around.

>>101491 >gemini summary as an argument and how is it wrong exactly? Does human body produce fluoride? Did incidents not happen because they are reported by le hekin' LLM? Mr. "I soykaf my pants" MD, please tell me.

>>101493 It's not wrong. You even preempted his response in your reply and he ignored it. Don't talk to the retard, my advice.

>>101490 Honestly, I changed my mind. Fluoride is incredible harmful. I can't explain your mental retardation any other way. We must ban fluoride to stop people like you from appearing.

>>101496 >to stop people like you from appearing Why? Because anon challenged your thought and you couldn't prove how anon is wrong, despite waving your MD around like a green card? And then you just resorted to ad hominems with no substance? I thought doctors were all about scientific approach.

>>101498 >I thought doctors were all about scientific approach. They are, and they're not.

>>101486 >western trad values say progress marches on eternally and things will get better The bible most definitely does not say this and this really seems to be the foundation of progressivism. Maybe there was an American optimism as manifest in such deluded men as Wilson that was crushed, but saying its some fundamental aspect of Christendom is ridiculous, and the progressives of course found their worldview on the antifascist crusade without the cross. And Wilson famously wasn't able to get the US to join his league of nations. So much for that. >WWII caused the death of western trad values I didn't at first realize the gravity of this claim when reading your post. Do you argue that the wave of communism throughout europe wasn't some rattle of this death of european tradition. And it was hardly confined to the east where it took hold in the soviet union, you had revolutions and serious fighting all through the continent to stamp it out. Do you argue that all the reforms in the US between 1850 and 1920 were not radical and antitradition ? We went so far as banning alcohol, without which I may be so bold to say the entire expansion of European civilization beyond europe would not have happened or not to near the same degree. Even the revolutions of the 18th century can easily be argued as early signs of the death of traditional European civilization for the previous 1700 odd years. I do not wish to defend tradition for traditions sake, and I won't deny that WWII was very significant, but it was not out of context, and if it was a turning point, it was a sharp bend in the turn that had been started quite some time prior. >quit with the demoralization propoganda I think you're responding to another poster but my post here is certainly guilty to a degree, of this. For the most part I don't engage in that but its eminently foolish to conflate inventiveness and technological progress as it were to worldly wisdom and societal health. We live in many ways in the peak age of technology over the entire span of history, yet in many ways our society and civilization are doing miserably. Technological progress has not been monotonic, and nor has societal health, and the two are not strictly correlated, nor do I think they are necessarily anticorrelated. >we live in a world where the mindset of the pursuit of glory is in danger. We live in a world where the glory of our ancestors and heros is attacked, where their bodies are exhumed for no other purpose but to humiliate them and their descendants and admirers, where their monuments are ripped down and broken, where not only their graves but the graves of their animals are defaced, and where the people who do these things, if they are not our own government, are patted on the back and encouraged by those who are, and even those who are elevated as heros, many of them unpleasant and dishonest if not outright horrible, are henpecked in the grave for being too misogynist or too racist or not sufficiently interested in sodomy. Easily the most impressive men alive today are endlessly belittled and henpecked by their obvious inferiors, in public conversation. I'm not even sure what you would do to pursue glory in this environment. I don't mean to be demoralizing but frankly the situation is bleak. Things have gone very wrong and at a quite deep level, and they have been going wrong for many years, perhaps especially since WWII, but beginning well before that. I'm not sure what the solution is but it requires rejection of many of the trappings and beliefs of 'the modern world', and that means rejecting many of the beliefs of the 1950s, and the 1910s, and I shan't say that it stops there. My ancestors have made terrible mistakes but it remains with me and my generation to do what we can to right the ship before it goes under.

>>101503 >and that means rejecting many of the beliefs of the 1950s, and the 1910s, and I shan't say that it stops there But when I say, "1950's style belief", what do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking about tireless hard work. Grit. Independence. The ability to bear pain. These were traits that average men actually had back then. This just feels totally obvious to me, given everything I've heard and read about America from roughly 1860 to 1945. But if I bring this point up to you, I feel like your gut instinct is to tell me, "Oh no that's all bullshit" and you'll tell me about how old people always say that the newer generation is weaker, more feminine, and less willing to work hard than the last. But is that really true? Is it actually true that all generations of people are the same? Well... of course not. From 1830 to 1900, factory workers in America worked about 60 hours a week on average. Can you actually imagine that? Working in some disgusting, dusty, loud, smelly factory before air-conditioning was invented, and doing it 60 hours per week, and probably getting poisoned somehow, and on top of that you have to obey an oppressive moral code? Try to mentally put yourself in the place of a man in the 1870s who had to do all that. It would be brutally difficult, wouldn't it? This was just normal day-to-day life for our ancestors. And it never ended. So when I say, "We need to adopt a 1950's mindset", this is actually what I'm referring to. It's just a tool. Tools are not just physical -- they can be mental too. And what I'm saying is that obsessing over the "woke mob" and how your generation got fuarrrked over is taking you nowhere. It's giving you literally nothing. And I'm amazed that you guys don't realize this. Like every day you wake up pissed off that your future was stolen, and instead of doing anything about it, you... vent about it to your friends. Really? Like I'm not brushing aside your concerns here. Nothing you say is really wrong. But if we're talking about, "How do you actually live a meaningful life while our world is in decline?", then the first step is no longer fixating on the dumb pessimist bullshit that everyone else under age 40 is fixated on. Because that's the exact reason this generation is like kicking dead whales down the beach, it's why nobody is accomplishing anything. You don't have to buy into any of that.

>>101498 >Why I did prove him wrong he just decided to ignore what I say. How are several accidents when a large dose of a chemical got released momentarily connected to accumulation in the brain from prolonged exposure and what does it have to do with developmental diabilites caused by prolonged high concentration fluoride exposure in kids? And if you were a little more observant, around 100% of the posts in this discussions contain ad hominem. Now the reason why I just decided to call that anon retarded and go on my way is because I'm not going to spend any more time on pointless internet arguments.

>>101493 >Does human body produce fluoride your body does not produce water either. Nor does it produce calcium, phospohrus, copper, iron, the list goes on. Now the reason why I dismiss llm answers is because i'm not going to argue with an llm. You can ask gemini why you are wrong about fluoride btw if you trust it more. Or does it magically becomes unreliable when it report what you dont like? Look, it says THE SAME SHIT as I do. Now, who doesn't do homework exactly?