Primitive vs modern society

adults in primitive societes >caring for the children and training them to be strong adults in jewish capitalistic societes >genital mutilation of children, harvesting foreskins and using them as cosmetics >exploiting children by addictive video games, microtransactions and gambling >buying out all housing and preventing children from ever buying housing >making children dumb so they can be exploited more easily >feeding children with toxic, processed, addictive food (goyslop)

>>100892 Yes, sure. You completely summarized everything that is going on in these 2 very complex and chaotic systems of interactions in a couple of greentext sentences. Literally just look at it, obviously the primitive society is better. You don't support genital mutilation of children, do you?

>>100892 I believe you think of the children too much, my man. It's weird. It's because of people like you that Texas is asking for the same kind of privacy-violating age verification system the UK has in Discord. Stop making me side with an awful platform

>>100892 not wanting to say anything nice about da joos but seriously man, you're just making stuff up about le primateive society Maybe contrast to times we actually have records of in recenthistory with less jewish influence instead.

fuarrrk the agricultural revolution too!

>>100892 adults in primitive societes: >Be born, die because your father throws you off a cliff, just because adults in jewish capitalistic societes: >Be born, become succesful and cool and awesome! Also your parents are superawesome and care about you too!

>>100892 this thread is goyslop, and you don't seem to understand there is no distinction between primitive and modern society. it's all "here" in this moment. the only difference is that some primitive ideas remained (like child rearing and genital mutilation, which is as primitive as it gets) while others (bone hammers and cave paintings) didn't. also also, kaczynski was very critical of anarchoprimitivism, despite people often fashioning him as such.

>child born in ancient society >be sacrificed to demons >child born in modern society >be mutilated because its what you were heckin ment to be bro

>>100904 Humanity is indeed pathetic and insane. Genital cutting is the most obvious and egregious example.

>>100905 I have no idea what your weird color number plots are supposed to mean but I think its some weird numerology and these highly specific phrase choices do not contribute to your apparent argument. I can only assume that you're either operating in bad faith, or retarded.

>>100906 not that one, but here's a lil bit of context: on another thread here regarding online communication methods that could be used to circumvent bots scraping our data, someone suggested we could start using something called gematria, which is basically this ancient numerologist system where words or sentenced add together and you end up with a sequence of numbers that has an even further significance. so, basically that other one added the other other's words up and came up with a number that shares these same numbers/meanings, or which correspond with one another. >I can only assume I don't wanna say it, but there's this thing they say about assuming... just in case you didn't know.

>>100904 >child born in ancient society >die at birth because they haven't invented washing your hands yet I don't see the point that primitivists want to make. If you admit that primitive technology couldn't sustain modern population sizes, then I don't know how you expect to convince anyone about (let alone implement) your ideas. <Yes, there is a 99.9% chance you're going to immediately starve to death if we ever try to do this. <But maybe you're in the lucky 0.1% that makes it. I tried reading ted k but it didn't make much sense either. He points out some facts about life under capitalism, but then spends more than half of his manifesto rambling about leftists, but then I found out that he got mind broken by a MKULTRA experiment... The guy was from a working class family, somehow managed to get into a high tier university because of his hard work and intelligence, and still got tortured and discarded by the elite. The professor that did the experiments on him was also a serial rapist and a confirmed murderer but he always got away with it because of his CIA connections. Like, there is so much meat to pick from ted's tragedy, why do people choose to focus on the nonsense.

>>100908 >I don't see the point that primitivists want to make. The argument I see here is about what sort of attitude does each society have towards care of children. The idealized primitive society presented here has the best of intentions in raising children, while in our advanced civilization, despite knowing better on all points, we ignore this and mistreat our children. Though I note that the primitive society discussed is an ideal imagined one. There is something to it that a primitive society is forced by pressure to tend to the wellbeing of the young, as an opposite attitude risks the survival of the whole tribe, while children today are a highly exploitable target market. Ultimately it's just an ideological meme graphic, so there is naturally a lack of nuance, and appeal to common faults of the mind. Here, it's abusing the pervasive nostalgia and anemoia of the West. >I tried reading ted k but it didn't make much sense either. He points out some facts about life under capitalism, but then spends more than half of his manifesto rambling about leftists, but then I found out that he got mind broken by a MKULTRA experiment... I think the best points of Kaczynski on technology are similar to what Ellul said in his work, which is more comprehensive, focused, and his idea is more generalized. Kaczynski differs mostly in that he disagrees that technological society is the inevitable forward path, and that it could be bucked by revolution. I don't see how this is feasible without a global coordination never before seen in this world, and I think he made a critical error not addressing this about his proposed revolution. Kaczynski is someone who is best approached with a critical eye, but his sensationalization has lead to many people who don't normally read to gulp down everything he says as if he were a prophet, or more often to ingest his ideas by proxy through memes. His personality and the stories surrounding him simply appeal to the inner frustration of many people, and that's why they take to him. I can see some value if we're talking about a personal experience towards greater knowledge. He knocks down dogma and makes on see the world differently, but this state should only be transitory to go any further.

>>100906 It is relevant. I'm showing you that it's encoded right into the language. Bad faith? What are you even asserting here? Lain I think YOU are retarded, at present. You better start making some sense.

>>100910 This stupid fuarrrking site. I attached 3 files and it kept a random one. Let me guess, it'll post no files after the stupid as fuarrrk 5 minutes cooldown. I don't like dividing my attention ons tupid soykaf that won't get an ROI anyway.

>>100911 >doesn't even cycle source addresses >uses the word ROI unironically not gonna make it

>>100907 yeah that thing they say, its literally a mnemonic so you can remember how to spell the word. As for your ideas about codes, OK great, thats fun and interesting and maybe even useful. But in the case of the guy in this thread, he picked a couple phrases that are rather peculiar and not all in regular use, they were certainly picked because they matched the numbers, not picked and then found to have matching numbers lol. >>100910 >encoded right into the language encoded right into phrases that literally no one uses yes great excellent.

>>100914 Genital mutilation is a common phrase. Look at these numbers and stop being retarded. Also realize that writing out "Twenty two divided by seven" outputs 314. You think that's a coincidence? The language is engineered this way deliberately.

>>100915 The word "cut" even outputs 8. Circumcision is done on the 8th day.

>>100916 Just for good measure. Pleasure and foreskin are supermatches. Intact penis and Circumcise are supermatches. And so on.

>>100915 'fourty five divided by six' yields 283. Coincidence ?

'slice' outputs 33, 3 obviously has major significance as the third number (or fourth by the zero indexed system). 3 is also frequently associated with heavenly things and the trinity, having only two threes is clearly symbolic of the separation induced by slicing (as opposed to 333) Wow.

>>100918 What a dumb prick. >>100183 >>100919 33 is CC. 33 vertebrae in the spine, 33 years for solar and lunar calendars to sync, etc. 33 is an 8 split in two.

>>100919 There are 33 letters in the cyrillic alphabet.

>>100921 It didn't post my file again. Couple that with ridiculous 5 minute cooldowns and this place is pretty much unusable. Not going to bother further.

that is oversimplification of a much more complex issue people in primitive societies dug puts using sharpened stones, these pits had to be large enough for a mammoth to fall into it and not be able to climb out, then they keep throwing rocks at a trapped mammoth until it dies, after that they cut mammoth in pieces using sharpened stones and then ate its meat raw as fire was invented later google palaeolithic tools to get the idea what they had to use to do it all and when they ran out of mammoth to kill and eat they figured the could kill members of the neighbouring tribes instead so they also invented war and cannibalism so you are trying to tell us it was a superior way of living compare to what we have now? aside from that overpopulation causes food prices to grow as there are too many mouth to feed and all the land we could possibly convert into farms is already used to maximum capacity with exception of those in Russia because it's backward under rule of backward people in Kremlin and sill practices sustenance farming dodgy semi-edible stuff is made and sold to better utilise food we currently have, scrap leftover meat from legs and hoofs, throw it into meatgrinder together with cartilage, grind into fine paste and then flavour to make it palatable and here you have cheap devon/boloney 'meat', is it as good as real mean, of course not, is it better than hunger, of course yes

>>100892 people in pre-modern societies used children as manual labor slaves

>>100923 >when they were hungry and out of mammoth, they invented war citation please also modern food is absurdly cheap and available. I have like a billion calories on a shelf.

'Primitive societies' are a psyop. Big government didn't invent civilization.

>>100913 english? the bastard child of french and old dutch? engineered by fuarrrking who? if you're smart enough to solve a magic square you're smart enough to find a signal in any amount of noise.

>>100927 That's true, but not a given. This is what I call the perceptual filtering or coincidence argument, ie apophenia, pareidolia, confirmation bias, selection bias, frequency bias, pigeonhole principle, and so on. You should read the image in >>100183 All of those words output 74 in the same cipher. That is 100% not a coincidence.

>>100929 >All of those words output 74 in the same cipher. That is 100% not a coincidence. >15 words out of 100000+ can be converted into the same 2 digit number with a well chose algorithm I think that is a coincidence, and you could find a few hundred more.

>>100930 A well chosen algorithm? It's ordinal. ABC, 123. You don't seem very scientific minded... engineering a core cluster will yield ancillary patterns as well. Yeah whatever dude, some people just don't get it.

>>100929 >>100183 those words average 6 letters long. let's say every letter is a d26 roll (not exactly, some letters are way more common than others, but for our purposes they might as well be because they're not ordered by frequency in your gematria numbering). we are adding together 6 d26 rolls. sum of dice rolls approaches a normal distribution centered around the half of the max. you should read about the central limit theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_limit_theorem). so what's 6*26/2? *drum roll*. 78. only 4 away from 74. you found 15 words whose gematria number is close to the average for their length. out of the tens of thousands of words in the english language. someone who's actually studied statistics could compute the exact probability of this collision happening. it's not gonna be low. see birthday attacks. when a collision fails in one system you fall to the others ones. there's almost certainly gonna be a pattern somewhere. good science is hard. distinguishing signal from noise is hard when our brains are hardwired to look for meaning everywhere, that's how we became what we are.

>>100932 The way to do the statistical would be to consider vowel placement and letter frequency of consonant clusters relative to vowels, and their placement in the alphabetic order. The odds are not low. I showed above the "twenty two divided by seven" outputs 314. 22/7 is the most basic ancient approximation of pi. That's not a coincidence.

>>100933 but lain, "twenty two over seven" is only 290 and "pi" is 25, not 31 and "circumference over diameter" is 258, not 314 and "circle area divided by radius squared" is 316, not 314 and "volume of sphere times three over four divided by radius cubed" is 613, not 314 and "surface area of sphere divided by 4 times radius squared" is 497, not 314 and "period divided by two divided by square root mass over spring constant" is 743, not 314 and "arctan one times four" is 217, not 314 and "arctan one over two plus arctan one over three times four" is 610, not 314 and so on...

>>100933 OK supposing all this is true, what does it mean ? does it have any useful predictive power ?

>>100935 It does. Check out Zachary Hubbard's channel (or Derek Tikkuri ie gematrinator, who blocked me from his channel) for the news related stuff. I've found it in my own daily life both in a prospective and retrospective sense as well. See also the fine structure constant being the reciprocal of 137. 33rd prime and Hebrew gematria for Kabballah. pi and phi are encoded everywhere into the language. >>100934 "pi". This is more complicated and has to do with the moon and tracking the movement of the primary "wandering stars". Jesus is crucified on 4/3 on "golgotha" (skull, dome). 4/3 is part of the sphere volume formula.

>>100934 If you look at them digitwise. pi encodes a square and gold. Squaring the circle, turning lead to gold? the philosophers stone?

What do you make of these? (240=2*4*5*6) Unchecked Soils Weirdo Devalued Rickrack Artefact Lessen Antibug Unacadamic Bigfoot Cringer Dipneedle Pennie Risible

>>100938 79 has a digital root of 7 and is the 22nd prime. There you go, 22/7 again. >>100939 Hold on. Can only uplaod 1 image per post apparently.

>>100934 This one was close. Rule of colel considers 1 a unit and so +/- 1 still counts. I rarely use it however as relying on 1 offs is w/e. >>100938 You can also see the 316 in the 79th triangular.

>>100939 I would say they all look like emanations of the same core concept. You could also view it as stacked / layered or otherwise interconnected clusters in a broader web. Think about the Crucifixion and the Christian concept as the core, and reread what you came up with. Thinka bout recent narratives and debates.

>>100942 >(((they))) went to such lengths as to engineer words like 'antibug', 'cringer', and 'dipneedle' to conform to the numerological network map. Who is doing this ? The Jews ? The Jesuits ? Satan ?

>>100942 Might as well post 74. The days remaining part is probably wrong atm. Notice the 315 and 314 in the date. 3/14 is the 74th day on a leap year. 3/15 otherwise.

>>100943 I keep explaining it to you and you keep ignoring it. Not ever aspect is engineered. There are a few core networks and the rest is emergent to script events. I actually think some of it is organic, the universe (or subconscious / collective unconscious) does and responds to this sort of thing anyway. They built and maintain a layer on top of it to direct existing natural currents. The Catholics and Jesuits for example, most of my own numbers are aligned with them. I know what they're probably doing because I lived the base natural component of those numbers. 741 is the number of Lucifer according to Manly P. Hall. Numbers are reversed in the astral. My name is 147. Conspiracy = 147, Freemason = 147. Adenine Thymine Guanine Cytosine = 147. And so on.

>>100945 so magic is involved, hence your comprehension of it ?

>>100946 Magic, metaphysics. Yeah, more or less. And it works too. Done it myself.

>>100947 lol, another circle reference. Pussy = 19. Gematria of Eve in Hebrew.

honestly I really appreciate the bona fide schizos over the mountains of llm garbage that get posted here. please don't stop.

>>100948 Funny. ......................................

>>100947 >36 My lucky number :) >>100906 >I think its some weird numerology Now what makes you say that?

>>100915 >genital mutilation is a common phrase its the one common phrase in the slew. Obviously a bunch of uncommon phrases will match.

>>100955 >Obviously a bunch of uncommon phrases will match. Ritual blood sacrifice is not uncommon either. Soul expulsion is quite to the point as well. People have been draining the blood out of things and using it for rituals forever. Ritual human sacrifice, ritual blood sacrifice, ritual animal sacrifice. Real straightforward.

>>100956 its fairly uncommon. In the wikipedia for blood ritual, it appears zero times. In the wikipedia for sacrifice, it appears zero times. In the wikipedia about the eucharist, it appears zero times. In the King James Bible, it appears zero times. When I search duckduckgo, which has gone to soykaf, for "ritual blood sacrifice", I get a single result from a website called occult world. Apparently it was also the title of a book cited by wikipedia, written by a guy in 1974, about the ancient maya. Its an uncommon phrase for a fairly common concept.

>>100957 Meh. that;s about all I have to say, body too short.

Some people just can't understand numerology and symbolic thinking apparently. Been doing a Bioshock decode numerically, wizard of oz, molecular biology, SRA and MK Monarch stuff, Jack and Jill, etc. Share my findings with these morons and they don't get even the most basic thing. Subject Delta has a triangle on the back of his hands and a 10 on his wrist. Why 10? 10 is the 4th triangular number. 1+2+3+4=10. Delta is the 4th Greek letter, the symbol for delta is a triangle. Probably they'll still be like "nah...". fuarrrkin ridiculous NPC soykaf, hard to imagine. https://steamcommunity.com/app/8870/discussions/0/4202489789148612829/ I posted throughout this thread. It's almost 800 posts long. At this point only I reply to it, lol.

Numerology schizos really are another bread.

>>100959 Some of those are just coincidences. If you really like this soykaf you'd better look into number theory, analysis of PI, prime numbers, etc. It's how to do this meaningfully and rigorously, instead of just speculating on coincidences.

>>100959 >the steam thread my god. It's beautiful. Your ability to write and sustain these conversation is incredible.

>>100965 The connections between Bioshock and Ergo Proxy, and me, my life, my family, and current events, are pretty off the charts too. I don't discuss those directly. There's a life sized statue of a little sister (Eleanor Lamb) in a local graveyard, and in another one there's an Eleanor with a last name that matches Lamb and connects through Freemasonry and so on with an unnamed child beside it who died at 4 days old. 4, Delta. Eleanor and Delta. The great chain is in another one and has Ryan written on one of the links.

>>100959 I don't think symbolic thinking means what you think it means. also read about the law of small numbers.

>>100967 It means exactly what I think it does. there are 3 types of thinking. -Reading the lines superficially -Reading between the lines -Reading "through" the lines to an unseen generative basis behind them. What I do is hyper-logical hypersymbolic processing. It's exactly what I think it is.

>>100968 no. symbolic thinking is thinking with symbols, opaque signifiers that stand in for the signified without having to invoke the thing-in-itself, and all its associated mental or physical load. this is the basis of abstraction and all human language. you're doing the exact opposite, taking existing signifiers and de-abstracting them into concrete significands that are completely orthogonal to the original, in this case by reinterpreting the material basis of the signifiers (e.g. the letters of the alphabet) instead of the material basis of the thing-in-itself.

>>100969 I understand your definitions but not the distinction you're drawing here specifically. See eg: https://files.catbox.moe/1b7il8.png Lainchan won't upload it, posts without the file.

Ergo Proxy depicts circumcision as well. Circumstraint while saying Iggy was given a "procedure" to cut him off fromt he collective, and mix of viral symbolism with a gomco vice in Mosk dome.

>>100973 Yep, stupid fuarrrkin' thing dropped the second file again. It must have to do with total attachment size but it's retarded and lets you upload anyway. It says go away spammer, make a better post, and body too short constantly. Then encourages small file meme posting. Stupid as fuarrrk.

>>100974 Wow, it still dropped the file. Let's try again... https://files.catbox.moe/en28lj.png I actually suspect it relates to some sort of file hash blacklist. When they ban someone it goes through and adds the hash of every file they uploaded to a filter list. Could look through the code but don't care enough.

>>100974 2mb limit per attachment IIRC appleman REALLY needs to disclose this in the error message

>>100976 Hm. It used to be pretty large file limit.

i'll never understand this bullshit mentality >complains about modern society >stills have an Internet connection grow up, delusional nobodies

>>101000 you already know what kind of responses this is gonna get, we both do. your shouting into the void even if you are right, these people are pro at rationalizing they work backwards from what they believe. genuine question even if you arent ted kacynzki or marx pilled op how do you not see the internet as most emblematic if not the thing (in lieu of any real analytical framework) thats accelerated this "modern weak society" you see. Not raising kids isnt an actual thing you can do, they get raised anyways. whats most often replacing the parent spending time with the child, whats most often pulling peoples attention away from the real and material, what even made you aware of or spread these weaknesses you see. Going offline for the most part is so simple and yet you wont do it, for what to make this post on an anonymous imageboard? How do you see that as more important praxis than logging off, the only answer is you are more concerned with larping and preaching and aestheticizing this life than you are with living it. When god forbid you have kids how are you gonna lead by example when your angrily posting on imageboard while kid plays on ipad and you tell him to get off it causeitl rot his brain while you yourself rot yours. are you gonna wait to start when that happens? how do you know you even can?

>>101000 even in the furthest antiquity man has lived in society, and even in some of the most remote places in antiquity, he conducted trade with the outside world sometimes over startling distances. If I lament the effect of industrialization, or the internet, or suchlike on society, that is one thing. But I cannot live as if before those developments by quitting society, for then I live not as before those things but as almost no man has ever lived. On the other hand if I want to create a separate society absent industrialization or whatever, and recreate lets say the 18th century, which was a quite advanced and technological time, then I have to in effect and probably in fact wage war on society as it exists to assert authority over certain regions and resources. I must wage this war and win or at any rate reach a certain sort of draw, along with my new independent society which needs must at that point carry forward without conducting commerce or interaction with the rest of the world, much as it would advantage individual members to quit that arbitrary rule of isolation and engage in commerce once again with industrialized society.

I want the old lainchan back lainons. I know moderating the chuds is difficult, and I know they are everywhere these days, but oh do I miss it when this place was untouched by the filth. I think imageboards more broadly are unfortunately one of the things that have entered into the chud tradition and mythos. To really liberate us from the chuds we need a new medium unknown to the chuds.

>>101004 Not wanting to humor your derailment effort, I post as sagely as I can. Things do not stay the same, people do not stay the same. That is, sort of, the theme of this thread, and its also a trouble for if you want a cultural space like lainchan to remain untouched by time. The culture of this sort of place is permitted by the existance of a specific demographic existing in a cultural and memetic space. I don't think 'lainchan' type people existed substantially before the early 2000's, and we're all, and maybe became almost extinct by 2020. Even those of us who were here for much of the place's life and I speak as one such, are not really the same as we were at the time. Literally the first time I posted on an imageboard I was called an old user and someone lamented that things weren't as they used to be and wished more of us old users were around lol. Now I'm called a chud invader. On much of the internet nowadays we know your name and address and social security number but here, still, no one knows you're a dog. Maybe even by sticking around I become an invader in a space for new users, like a guy who won't graduate highschool and gets older, 19 then 20 then 30 then 40 and he can explain how he's always been here, been a highschooler since you were in diapers, since you were a gleam in your father's eye. Yet he doesn't belong. And the culture of the highschool and the imageboard both invariably move along to something different yet similar, but intrinsically of the young in abstract, and not subject to claims by individuals, on any grounds of seniority or such.

>>101001 >>101003 I will answer just because I did not expected such civilized replies to a post that was mostly 80% ragebait / 20% serious. >how do you not see the internet as most emblematic thing that accelerated this "modern weak society" you see I don't think much about it. The Internet is just a tool. People decide either if they use it for learning a new useful skill or studying an exciting scientific discipline, or if they use it for watching memes, drama and porn. The oligarchs know they created a Kraken and they need us, the common cattle, to use it in a bad way. But I can't (and I'm not interested) in getting involved in what others do with their time. >Not raising kids isnt an actual thing you can do More of the same. If I ever have a child the little freeloader will be prohibited from using social networks. I don't care if people say that I'm going to "traumatize" him or whatever; that soykaf is the equivalent of leaving him alone in a park in a dangerous neighborhood. It's just a big no-no. >Going offline for the most part is so simple and yet you wont do it I'm a Western Hikikomori. I study (self-taught) hoping for a not-so-fuarrrked-up future. Honestly I don't like people. Not in a "wannabe misanthrope" way, I just don't like social contact. What I'm trying to say: I don't feel uncomfortable living in this age. It has its benefits that many don't appreciate (like the fact that you don't need to go to a public library or buy a book to cultivate yourself among other stuff...) >for what to make this post on an anonymous imageboard? How do you see that as more important praxis than logging off Some time ago you could actually have very interesting conversations on this board, but lately people from 4chan are coming to want to play the sardonic on duty. Honestly that kind of pisses me off so, since I was bored, I wanted to (like I said) so a little ragebait. But I see that there are still civilized people here. Now I feel embarrassed. >angrily posting on imageboard while kid plays on ipad and you tell him to get off it causeit I learned a while ago not to take seriously what people say online. You never know who is serious about their post or who just wants to get a dose of 'ha ha' >are you gonna wait to start when that happens? how do you know you even can? I'm a nobody. I can't change the world and the truth is that I'm not interested in doing it. Let everyone do what they want, it's not my business. >>101003 The human has always been and will always be a fuarrrking animal. The fact that they have created illusions such as morals, ideologies and other absurdities to "justify" their actions does not change that. No matter the social model or whatever, the human is always going to end up screwing things up. We are no different than dogs, rabbits or... hippos. We are beings trying to survive in a hostile world, and the tools we have created are to not succumb so quickly. Why there are people above others is merely by the law of the fittest, a rule that applies in both a primitive and a "civilized" state. It has nothing to do with morality. In this world you adapt or you die, and sadly there will always be a monkey which is either stronger, smarter or more crafty than yourself. It is like kicking dead whales down the beach, but it's the truth. Why do you think that in 2026 there are still people who kill each other simply because of mere genetic differences?

>>101006 well im glad you saw it as civilized I felt I was being a bit mean especially with the "god forbid you have kids" cause I hate this kind of post (i dont hate you i dont know you). theres much we will never agree on I will say I dont see banishing your kids from the online as traumitizing or bad parenting in the slightest I was more just saying if you are planning for that you need to make sure you also arent captivated by the online because the best way to get a kid to read or not use internet or whatever is to practice what you preach. otherwise often as they get older they wont take it seriously (or you). im far left im totally pro many things you hate but yeah I dont think anything good comes from online, at best nothing happens here but you get the feeling as if your doing something or that something might happen which makes people impotent.

>>101006 >The human has always been and will always be a fuarrrking animal. So? >No matter the social model or whatever, the human is always going to end up screwing things up. idk, I can turn a little knob in my house and drinkable water reliably comes out, even during a drought. That should count for something.

>>101008 > I felt I was being a bit mean especially with the "god forbid you have kids" I mean, at least you justify your way of thinking, others just call you "retarded" and think they've already "won." In fact, not having any children would actually be a blessing. I already have enough problems with my own life. >theres much we will never agree We don't have to, but that doesn't have to make us enemies (at least in this case that is not extremist). >you need to make sure you also arent captivated by the online Too late. I'm addicted to waifus. Seriously though, don't worry, if I have a child I plan to turn him or her into a bookworm. >im far left im totally pro many things you hate I don't like labels. Humans are not beings taken from a caricature that cannot change. Everyone has their circumstances as to why they believe what they believe and it is up to them to change it... or not. I don't "hate" anything, I just react to my circumstances and if I can change it, I try. But I'm also a human. I can make mistakes and I can also get tired.

>>101010 my take is if you dont label yourself you will be labeled by others. as much as wed like to ignore the gaze and force of others I take it as real as the sky. i do change labels depending on who im talking to, if im speaking to someone who I think would also call themselves leftist il say marxist and if another marxist il say deleuzian or some other bullshit I have no idea why.

Lately, I have beginning to think that individualism was a mistake, in some sense. That is not to say that the opposite is perfect. For instance, in nip society, the concept of Wa (harmony) prevents people from speaking out in order to prevent the disruption of balance in the group. However, this has the pitfall that if something is fuarrrked up, then people aren't going to speak out about it. An instance I can think of this was a Japanese surgeon kept botching surgeries (this was in 2019-2021. Fairly recent stuff,) and absolutely no one would speak out on the guy. Source: https://japantoday.com/category/crime/doctor-admits-to-causing-permanent-disability-to-patient However, the main point of what I want to say is that I don't like how in western society, that once you are 18, you are thrown to the curb and expected to fend for yourself. That you are expected to not rely on anyone for help. That's not to say that that doesn't happen in collectivist societies. It's the idea that you aren't supposed to give a soykaf about anyone but yourself. Somehow, I think it's deeply unnatural and even selfish. We are also not biologically programmed for it. We spent 290,000 years, up until the agricultural revolution, surviving as hunter gatherers. We were not built to survive on our own. The tribe is what allowed us to survive. Being rejected from it often meant death, and that is why rejection is so painful to us now, although it no longer carries the same risk it once did. 10,000 years is not enough time for our bodies and our biology to simply disregard the ways in which we had been living up until now. That is not enough time for significant evolution to take place. We are not built to fend on our own. While we may "civilized," the coldness towards others remains.

>>101029 >I don't like how in western society, that once you are 18, you are thrown to the curb and expected to fend for yourself That's not quite correct. In the west you're c|amped, vaccinated, circumcised, poisoned in the food air and water, probably drugged repeatedly, then had your softened mind filled with propaganda designed to make you ineffective and miserable in every way, THEN you're thrown in a ditch and told "good luck kiddo" as you try to drag your mutilated and malformed body and mind to the nearest facility to be a good little cog in the machine. It's always so much worse than you people make it out to be. You don't go there. I go there. Jews circumcise, however even Jews make sure their children succeed or else. Whites just maim and toss like fuarrrkin' cattle.

>>100902 >which is as primitive as it gets isn't it a bit advanced? maybe ancient rather than primitive, since it was done for hygiene and more precise instruments were needed

Most people were essentially bred for working factory jobs: that is standing 8 hours near conveyor belt and doing the same thing over and over again. As technology progressed, these tasks gradually became more and more primitive and rudimental. That is why most people are but dumb NPCs Now that automation allows robots to do these things, all these humans bred for factory are no longer needed. Just as draught horses were no longer needed when automobile was invented. What happened to the horses back then is now happening to all of us. To quote Black Lagoon, we are the living dead. All these questions of whether collectivism or individualism work or not are but irrelevant in face of this simple economic fact. Things worked in the past because government needed you alive to do your 8 hours long factory work. To that end it kept you alive by providing you with housing, food, child care, education, etc... Now it no longer needs you, so it abandoned you to die. Somehow those of us who is somewhat smarter than average and whose brains have no yet atrophied from factory work now all gathered here and discussing things. That is why I posted the above information here. Maybe some of you will come up with some good plan based on it. As anon says none of us is as smart as all of us.

>>101073 Plus the ones who were too smart or disobedient got 'disappeared' or locked in 'insane asylums' as political prisoners. The powerful have been shaping the population for a long time, eugenics - dysgenics. They've protected those they decry as 'useless eaters' for so long because they prefer incapable obedient safe people over skilled people. As the skilled have the capacity to have their own priorities and push back.

>>101073 >people are bred to work in an environment that basically didn't exist anywhere until about a century and a half ago at least say they were bred to like, do menial repair and maintenance tasks and guide the plow or something.

>>101030 The 'Whites' who don't throw their children like that are the ones who are in industries that insist on themselves like farming, government, or they come from aristocracy. A lot of Europeans would not be in this scenario had WW2 not been finished the way it was done. It deleted an extremely long running familial structure. Remember the idea of the house name? It's largely relegated now to aristocrats, and Jews.

Some crack every say. Just smoke os só greatfulll.

>>101104 Nobility had this problem for a long before that: What to do with extra children. Oldest gets to inherit the title, land and wealth but what about his younger brothers? What to do with them before they are going full Don Quixote. Solution were either a Catholic priest because of celibacy and no further children or some glorified death, like joining Musketeers of the Guard and duelling other idiots such as themselves over some pointless issues and random insults.

>>101344 or assemble a warband and send them off to be the neighbors problem. Death or glory!

Relevant changes that caused that: >common society discarded the individual biological father as the representation of authority >the archetype of the father is now the idea of centralized institution (state, deep state, big corps, etc) >centralized institutions are not as observable or controllable as the individual right before you, hence, this situation >people sell the whole package of their dignity for a fading spark of a promise of more comfort or convenience any day Even if everything falls apart de facto, the same cycle will come to reality once again. You can actually make all contingencies favorable for a decentralized responsible management of society and/or make access to relevant information viable, it would converge into something similar to what we have today: as in today, people already knows about the psychopathic bullshit that goes on in circles of power and nothing happened and will not happen. The most radical of reactions has happened before (french revolution and so on), and here we are. Again. An anarchist society would become a tyrannical empire in a matter of a few years or even months. Because most people don't think like you, autonomous human being, think, they want to be controlled and kept in a state of blissful ignorance. Mankind, when it organizes itself as a large collective entity, is always bound to make the worst decisions for themselves, it is like a curse hardcoded in our base social programming. The problem is in the interaction between logistics, ego, collective behavior and social programming. In conclusion, the primitive man will always represent a more efficient human, individually speaking, but in terms of collective survival of mankind, the remotely controllable bugmen and their puppet masters is an inevitable outcome. In the end, it has always been a question of individual greatness versus collective mediocrity. Collective mediocrity wins because it has numbers, and stupidity in numbers is the vector of quick, thoughtless, massive change. Usually in the benefit of their masters. So...there is really no other alternative other than voluntary separation or the destruction of a cycle to generate another cycle of similar outcomes. You can see that even children does that in their circles and they are not as deeply programmed as we are yet. As long as social results are more valuable, at a cognitive level, than practical results, things will converge to this outcome. Protip: Social values it will always be deemed as more important than pragmatic growth, because we are literally conscious brains affected by monkey body logic: the need to belong, attention whore mentality, and so on. Protip 2: Joos are in this position because they organized themselves as a stronger, less mutable collective than other groups and they have always been the Davos men lurking in the shadows, waiting for opportunities to insert themselves into processes of power. Could have been any other group in an alternative history. They were effective in being the puppet masters, and, you can observe, if control is involved, they are involved. But a parasite doesn't live without a host. If the mouse invites the snake to it's home, is it the snake's fault?