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Do you think terrorism is real?

>>100801 yes. one video is worth a thousand words, bodytooshortchan.

>>100823 Is it actually real if they ragebait them into it though

>>100801 Even wars aren't real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_fOYW-GXdc It's propaganda all the way down.

Ironically its origin I believe is during the french revolution to describe state violence and oppression and terror. If not the word itself what led to its modern usage in america was its usage as that. Despite the american government now in its alliance with wealthy elite being an arm of that classes tyranny its usage remains and while you could chalk this up to just movement of language and words I think it has a kind of logic and intention. In Americas origin we analogized ourselves with and learned from the french revolution, revolution and rebelling is very important to the spirit of America. Never rebelling against the elite or wealthy unlike the french, the very idea that there could be a wealthy elite with vastly more (undeserved) power than the average citizen is itself a heretical statement becausd it undermines americas revolutionary spirit. And a country has to hold on to its reason for existence for survival and so we dont end up in the very place we find ourselves where asking "Wait what and why is America". Its like how even though there is plenty of capitalism and wealth inequality in china they still cling to the spirit of marxism and maoism, id argue they do a better job of it then we do even though both our countries need a lot of double think and buzz phrases to justify how much they step outside of said spirit. Anyways America is very much always (aesthetically and spiritually) in revolution and rebellion just often not ones that lead anywhere (or at least not anywhere better). But the language and spirit of revolution must always be constantly drudged up and get painted on things to keep people believing in their country. Both trump and obamas presidency was predicated on this idea that voting for them and being a part of their movement was somehow revolutionary. It doesnt matter that they were both well connected with those in the ruling class or that the whole purpose of said "revolution" was just for them to become an arm of said ruling class, it just needs to be aesthetically or almost ritually "revolutionary", it just needs to remind and call back to it. Bush was not a revolutionary candidate nor an exciting one, he was a nepo baby to the presidency itself. There was material reasons the war on terror happened but then came the issue of marketing that to the people in not just a swallowable form but one that tasted good. By calling it the war on terror and calling it terrorism and calling the people terrorists it activates that like ancestral callback and places it and thus bush in the realm of revolutionary. It sort of doesnt matter if people were familiar with the words origin as its all sort of implicit. For example many americans love revenge fantasies and the image of the small guy beating up the big bully, even to the point where they will cheer at extremely fuarrrked up things if its presented as such or convince themselves they are the little guy when calling the police on their neighbors kids playing basketball. That whole myth is a callback to revolution and rebellion. America is so clearly the big guy in any confrontation with these terrorists but by calling them terrorists it paints this image of a big bully trying to terrorize innocent weak people and the war on terror as us bravely sticking up for ourselves and saying no we will not be pushed around. Because thats what america does whether its our very own founding revolution or the civil war or mormons or whatever. Ask someone who still has "southern pride" their version of the civil war and they will paint the same picture, a meek south bravely revolting and sticking up for itself. Ask anyone on the other end and rather than talk about the unions victory they will tell you about john brown or nat turner, singular men standing up to the gigantic industry of slavery. Americans have to simultaneously always be the underdog yet also the strongest, and so not only does the war on terror work great as a revolutionary callback it also avoids the embarassment of several wars being called "the war on the taliban" or "the war on al qaeda" and instead places it as a war on terror, something that actually is bigger than the US or any country.

>>100827 He is beginning to understand

>>100801 no large groups people are never ever ever killed by insane extremists who find themself marytrs

>>100801 Circumcision and vaccination are terrorism. Circumcision and vaccination are real.

>>100801 Terrorism is a method, a means. Of course it is real... Terrorism as a method is only useful if you are a tyrant, or incapable of functioning collaboratively within a system, which is why it's used by outcasts and idiots. This is not the same as asymmetric or guerilla warfare. Terrorism will never win against groups with strong social bonds.

>>100801 Terrorism is the absolute negation of the system and the purest means of fighting it. By terrorism, I don't mean the killing of civilians or those cases where the terrorist label is slapped onto random people for politically convenient reasons. Terrorism has an armed military and murderous element but I'd say its much broader than that. Terrorism is at its core the refusal of the system, the rejection of the global system's symbolic order and turning its techniques and tools against it. Anyone can do this even non-violently, and that's why terrorism is so hated and feared by the authorities. It is threatening because its so accessible. Terrorism is destabilization, countering the system by subverting it. Terrorism can be artistic, it can be in writing, done without injuring anybody. 9/11 was the purest expression of military terrorism. The hijacking of airliners, the destruction of buildings, the turning of the global system's own tools (aviation, box cvtters, email) against the regime. 9/11 exposed the violence of the global order by delivering it to America's doorstep. al-Qaeda transformed the surface of sky scrapers, subway tunnels, ordinary daily spaces into battle zones where an invisible network of terrorists fight like a virus. This is radical subversion but al-Qaeda also subverted by offering the global order a vision of life which it cannot understand. Putting armed terrorism aside, I figure terrorism hasn't reached its full potential yet. What makes those in power really shake in their boots is the idea of non-violent terrorism, of us doing with our words, writing, art music etc. what al-Qaeda did with weapons.

>>102161 I am very interested to see music take down two hundred story skyscrapers and kill 3k people.

>>102167 What al Qaeda did was symbolic. There’s no practical value in killing thousands of random American civilians what mattered was its symbolic effect. They terrorize the system of meaning to expose its assumptions, disrupt it a metaphysical level, and push it towards instability. You don’t have to kill people to do that necessarily and that’s the most dangerous aspect of terrorism. Terrorist music would follow the same principle. Normal society absorbs and assimilates, so you create music that terrorizes that society’s system of meaning, its sense of reality. Refusal to be profitable, to be productive, or even enjoyable. I don’t know what that music is like. I’m not a musician but I’d like to see it.

I think It is, I have been terrorized by unknown forces since the start of the year, very weird, they are doing it in a freudian way

>>102169 >What al Qaeda did Are you slow? Do you honestly still believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by "evil mooslem terrorists"? >Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. >From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. >Also, the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. >It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Sounds like Larry Silverstein is the dumbest investor of all time, right? >The perfect collapse of the twin towers changed the picture. >Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself. >The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks. The fuarrrker is still alive too. Makes my blood boil.

>>102173 Who did the attacks irl is basically irrelevant to the effect they had on the world. Even if al Qaeda is all smoke and mirrors, what matters was the symbolic effect of a small band of radicals taking down the symbol of America’s economic and political might.

>>102173 There is a difference in supposing that people like silverstein had some advanced knowledge, and that they literally made it happen. Mossad allegedly (wikipedia even says this) had a list of many or all of the hijackers in advance of the attacks. Even just on the basis of the '93 bombings and the general situation in the country one might reasonably suppose that insurance on the WTC was undervalued and do as silverstein did in this case. That doesn't really absolve him, but there's a difference between being a scummy money-mad jew, and being a 3000x murderer. ( it also appears the insurance payout was 'only' ~4.5 billion https://web.archive.org/web/20090312005342/http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/refi-fidi-silverstein-port-talk-wtc-dates-funds ) >>102178 except it does matter, because it matters to know who your enemies are.

>>102185 But then why did silverstein, mossad, and by extension israel have advanced knowledge? The classic question of "who benefits?" comes to mind. israel certainly had a lot to gain from the tragedy. And it fits their later modus operandi of dragging the US into unwinnable wars, like we see again now with Iran. They've been confirmed to carry out false flags in the past (USS Liberty). 9/11 is just another convienient coincidence for them? It's important to think logically about this, because otherwise they could do it again and get away with it again. >there's a difference between being a scummy money-mad jew, and being a 3000x murderer. I would argue that even if they didn't orchestrate it (which I don't believe for one second), if they still knew and didn't tell anyone or try to stop it, it still makes them all murderers. Not like they care, ask the people of Gaza if israel cares about being seen as murderers. Someone has to care though, if not them. We are not all cattle to be slaughtered like their talmud says. I don't see my fellow man that way. Sorry to be so dire, but it has gotten this dire lately unfortunately.

Its strange how people think al-Qaeda didn't do 9/11 when Mukhtar and Ramzi bin al Shibh were on TV weeks later giving interviews to Aljazeera explaining exactly how they did it. I feel bad for them. They put in the effort but don't get the credit. People actually think Mossad are capable but most intelligence agencies look down on them, see them as mostly reckless incompetents who shot a random waiter because they thought he was a PLO honcho, despite looking nothing like him. Sileverstein didn't know anything. O'Neil, ex FBI Bin Laden hunter now head of WTC security, did tell him terrorists wanted to bomb the towers but they figured it would be like the 93 bombing. The conspiracy theories about 9/11 are promoted by Mossad, CIA glowies because if people knew a small band of guys hiding in caves pulled off the terrorist spectacular of all time, other people might get bright ideas.

>>102196 It was Mossad. The al-qaeda hackers were fall guys.

>>102191 We have to assume that Silverstein must have considered the possibility of a major terrorist attack on the buildings, and reasonable that he suspected one would happen; many people did. Famously Morgan Stanley investigated leaving the complex after the '93 bombing but judged it unreasonable at the time and opted to just drill everyone in emergency evacuation procedures and setup backup sites that were apparently so prepared they were online before either tower collapsed. Silverstein could have come to the conclusion that the insurance was undervalued without any special knowledge. Its suspicious that he was away from the site at the time, but that's hardly enough grounds to justify someone's execution in my humble opinion. Even if the Jews orchestrated it to some degree, it was Muslims who executed it and both are to blame and both are our enemies and neither should be allowed in the country.

I love that Americans are destroying themselves through self hatred, racism, political infighting. Sheikh Osama bin Laden was the genius of the century. America and Europe are rotten structures all you have to do is give them a little push and they'll destroy themselves. A big bully doesn't look so mighty when you punch them in the face. To all the people who say terrorism doesn't work I say look at America. Before 9/11 it was a stable happy society and today they have a reality TV president with a collapsing economy and they are all tearing at each others throats. Sheikh Osama won. He's laughing at America from the grave.

>>102213 do i really need to get out my '9/11' folder proving that there never were any planes and dr judy woods research that shows that the towers were turned to dust using advanced weaponry?

>>102213 Israel did 9/11. The US is completely controlled by Israel. US has always been in-fighting because its diverse and controlled by Israel. US serves Israel above all else. That is why they currently are freaking out over the epstein files because it indites Israel. >Sheikh Osama won Nobody won. If muslims were peaceful there would be no justification for helping and expanding Israel and people could rise up against its own fascist control on America. Because muslims are such little terrorist sand-ngers they essentially justify and strengthen American and Israel relations. Had there been more events like palestine and less Al-qaedas and ISIS, maybe the world would be a much different place.

>>102213 I'm assuming you are typing this out from somewhere in the western world, and not from a cave in pakistan. In that case, I know for a fact you have not fared any better after 2001 than Americans. The international jewry has made fools and slaves of us all, unfortunately. >>102199 >both (muslims and jews) are our enemies and neither should be allowed in the country. We can agree on that, brother. I know christianity has been unifying at one time or another, but I am pretty much against abrahamic faiths as a whole. I'll mention the evil contained within the talmud and people will say "well, the quran and the bible have parts that are just as bad", as if that actually means that all three are acceptable somehow. Return to Paganism. >>102216 >Israel did 9/11. The US is completely controlled by Israel. US has always been in-fighting because its diverse and controlled by Israel. US serves Israel above all else. These are facts. Anyone who disagrees is hopefully well meaning, but certainly misguided. Real-world experience will prove these points correct over and over again, you need to pay attention to what you can actually observe, and not what you are told.

>>102216 Israel is America's proxy. Only do retarded Americans think otherwise, a very lame attempt at washing away their sins by throwing their puppets under the bus. That's what Americans love to do, blame their own problems on other people. International jewery is just another stupid smokescreen. >>102217 >Return to Paganism. Return? You've always been pagans. America's god is money, GDP, and political power. Take a hike down a high street, you'll see America's gods there. Nike Adidas McDonalds. >Real-world experience will prove these points correct over and over again, you need to pay attention to what you can actually observe, and not what you are told. al-Qaeda did it. They claimed responsibility for it. They put out dozens of videos and documentaries showing us how they did it. But nooo it must be da jooz and this is a fact because some frog on the internet told me. Yeah, like Israel is gonna raise a fist against its own best friend lol. Dumb yanks can't get over the fact a group of literal nobodies in Afghanistan with a couple thousand dollars, fake passports and box cutters took out NYC's beautiful skyline and punched a hole in the Pentagon. Who created Israel? The West. Its like an owner pretending to be the victim after its dog mauls someone else. "ITS NOT MY FAULT DA JOOZ ARE RESPONSIBLE." Excuses excuses. I welcome such retardation though. Its evidence of America's decline. God willing we will see the American flag come down like the Soviet flag in 1991 and right wing nuts will help hasten the empire's fall.

I wish I was a terrorist like Hussein

>>102226 hi mossad. boring day?

>>102242 That sneaky mossad, always saying a bunch of true statements... What are they playing at...

>>102226 >You've always been pagans Unfortunately the protestants who founded this nation have always worshipped money. You can call them heretics sure but the call is coming from inside the house.

Yes, of course. Terrorism is a real problem, turned into the wolf's cry by the establishment, which has monopolized terrorism, so...soykaf's got confusing as fuarrrk on purpose. Now it's just another bad name-calling slang, like nazi, commie, incel, et cetera. Real terrorism are made by institutions deemed as legitimate.

all muslim terrorism in the US post 911 is ultimately by the USG as it could have been relatively easily stopped by not massively increasing the muslim population while insisting that they're basically peaceful.

>>100830 been soooo long since I've seen one of these going around. wonder if the guy who made them is doing ok

>>102226 your post is mostly true, but in the end it will fall upon deaf ears. these americans who revel in their stolen lives and lands, trying with all the mental might they can muster to distract themselves from the crimes they commit and allow to be commited, god has blinded their hearts. they shall not come around until the crops of the seeds of evil they sowed is finished with the rest of the world and turns onto them, except for a few of them who somehow managed to retain their humanity

>>102642 >revel in their stolen lives and lands Unlike every other civilization that has ever existed. Are we still doing White guilt in the big 26? If you truly believe this, then why would you support Israel over America? Or if you think both are basically evil then we can pretty much agree there.

>>102642 It's only lately anybody cared about conquest. You do realize land has changed hands globally for all of human history. Almost exclusively at the end of a sword. Only the losers take "stolen land" serious. They lost. There will be no reperation, no apologies, no reconcillation. The losers get nothing. The few gibs handed out are already too much. Integrate into the new society, or die.

>>102226 Israel was founded by exiled Europeans with the full support of the (American) Jewish mafia which smuggled stolen American military weapons to the middle east. It's in no way a proxy, just a haven for criminals with a superiority complex. Bibi just continued the trend by supporting hezbollah so he could point the state a greater threat than his greed. Not to claim that it was da joos, but it's quite suspicious how the jewish intelligence organs are supposedly the best on Earth and know about everything, except for when conveniently an "intelligence failure" or oversight benefits them. Unfortunately it's difficult to say "nobody knew" when clearly the things that would have to have been known fell well within the capabilities of knowing, which means that as far as most of the world is concerned 9/11 was either >Allowed to happen by ignoring known intelligence, and then later saying they just never put the pieces together as an excuse >Resources were intentionally not allocated to knowing, allowing an intelligence gap where they have plausible deniability The whole point of intelligence is not letting the world know what you are capable of knowing.

>>102666 >Cursed get The idea that America controls Israel falls apart when you consider all of the things America has done that benefit Israel and Israeli dual citizens in America. We control them, so we had them install their puppet into our own government. What? We control them, so we gave them control of both mainstream news media and hollywood. What? We control them, so we are willing to decimate our own armies instead of theirs and potentially crash our whole economy to support theirs. What? That anon is either ignorant or malicious, but it's safe to assume both, honestly. The saddest part is that this kind of astroturfing is clearly not swaying anyone. Even boom-ers are admitting that we are fighting Iran purely to serve Israel's interests and that America would be far better off focusing efforts at home. We desperately need to.

>>102667 >noticing Careful there, some people don't like that.

>>102644 why would I be supporting israel over america. all colonial powers are hand in hand. also, yes unlike many other civilizations that have existed and exist right now

>>102648 that's something a loser would say who isn't currently living on their non-stolen land. have you tried looking at the history and cultures of countries that are not in europe or north america?

>>102744 >that's something a loser would say who isn't currently living on their non-stolen land. Nice double-negative. >have you tried looking at the history and cultures of countries that are not in europe or north america? What, like China or Japan? Sure, those guys were total pacifists for thousands of years, you're right. Maybe you're talking about the Persians? They famously acquired their empire through trade and diplomacy, of course. Perhaps you mean the African kingdoms? The Zulu kingdom was well known for bead-making and dancing, absolutely, and nothing else. Or if you're talking about the Aztec and Inca empires, they were, for sure, peaceful to a fault, especially the Aztecs. What are you actually talking about? Your fishing village in Cambodia? Oh wait, forgot about the Khmer empire. Maybe you're a buddhist monk living in Nepal? Remind me, how did Nepal's current borders form, o wise monk? Get real, dude. Humans conquer. It shouldn't suddenly become a problem when White people do it. You're the one who sounds like a loser.

>>102746 NTA, you're totally correct, and this is exactly an explanation what is wrong with current model of the world and organizational structure of societies. This is something we need to move away asap. No geographical bullshit borders, no nationality bullshit, etc.

>>102747 >No geographical bullshit borders, no nationality bullshit, etc. So you're saying we will own nothing and like it basically? How would you get there? Or are you just riffing? What are you even saying I'm correct about?

>>102752 genocide, obviously. biggest genocide in history by one way or another.

>>102648 >at first Americans try to say it's all da jooz >get called out on it >immediately pivot to openly bragging about being warmongering sociopaths inb4 "actually Israel is based for bombing brown people"

>>102766 Warmongering is fine, the psychopathic globohomo epstein-rothschild petrodollar jew economy is not fine. I just don't want myself, my brothers, and my sisters to be slaves. If we must fight (and we must fight), then I want to be fighting for myself and my loved ones, and not for blood-sucking vampires.

>>102766 There is a difference between foreign control and domestic retardation. If the American empire collapses, it should be because of Americans, not Israelis. The foreign influence of the Epstein Class is a problem by creating artificial retardation. If the Israelis were removed, how might their victims behave? >based for bombing brown I don't care what monkies do outside, however funny or "based" it is.

>>102752 >Equating anarchy with collectivism Oh you sweet summer child The neolithic agricultural revolution was unironically a mistake. before that, there was no terror. Just mankind vs. the elements and wild animals and sheit.

>>102779 >there's a difference between foreign control and domestic retardation Sure there is. Also the Epstein class isn't just Jews. Probably not even a majority are Jews.

>>102880 Who was leading? Why call it the "Epstein" class?

>>102881 It keeps happening. The same people turn up any time there is corruption and child abuse. We call them by the shorthand for their leaders. The ones who always show up.

>>102880 Hi Mossad. Who said "Jew"? You seem pre-emptive. Showing your hand a bit early?

>>102880 >Also the Epstein class isn't just Jews. Probably not even a majority are Jews. It's actually worse. The people who mattered and who actually knew what was going on were jewish. They were jewish supremacists. They excluded people who weren't jewish. They blackmailed people who didn't believe in israel. They believed gentiles were subhuman and believed they were god's chosen race. They only talked about this between each other. >>102216 >Israel did 9/11. The US is completely controlled by Israel. US has always been in-fighting because its diverse and controlled by Israel. US serves Israel above all else. Case in point.

>>102883 >who said "Jew" Oh sorry I meant the globohomo rothschilds epSTEIN class. You totally weren't referring to Jews, my bad. >>102882 >the same people keep showing up Men? >>102884 >it's actually worse >repeats the same thing

>>102885 >the same people keep showing up> >Men? Most of the fixers, managers and providers were (/are) women. They also account for (at least) half of the abusers. Women usually don't get suspected as abusers, but they are.

>>102885 >Men? A subset of them, even.

>>102885 "Homo"? Last I checked they were after little girls. Are you trying to launder the crimes through a minority who has historically been maligned? In the end it was all blackmail, and the evidence vanished when the feds came knocking. Only one country stood to benefit.

>>102892 And how they have benefited. >>102883 WW3 is already loaded up to go. Why hide from the schitzo and pleb?

>>102886 If you're referring to specifically Ghislaine Maxwell, sure, she was at least as culpable as Epstein himself. But again referring to the "Epstein class", as in the social class and not people actually surrounding Jeffrey Epstein (he was just one of many), it's almost entirely men. >>102889 *removes sunglasses* my god...

>>102879 >The neolithic agricultural revolution was unironically a mistake. Oh, absolutely it was. We are on exactly the same page then, brother. I agree with Uncle Ted (speaking of terrorism...) all technology brings further and further loss of freedom and loss of privacy. It brings suffering and forces us to abandon our humanity. I would go one step further and say that words themselves were a mistake. God was right about the tower of Babel, he just didn't go far enough. >Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy!

>>102892 >"Homo"? Last I checked they were after little girls. You seem confused. Or you're being obtuse. The "homo" portion of "globohomo" is a blanket term referring to the sexual dysfunction endemic to neoliberalism, which includes pedophilia among other things.

>>102893 >Why hide from the schitzo and pleb? They've never been able to handle a stand up fight, for one thing.