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Why is it that whenever talks about worst people/person in history Nazis or Hitler is mentioned? How come most people don't talk about those 80 millions Mao Ce Tung killed but focus on 6 million that Hitler killed?

Mao killed 30 millions indirectly with famine in 1959-1961. That have not count the people died in Culture Revolution. Less people mentioned about that is just because they are afraid of China Communism Party, which is still the dictator of China nowadays, and is the only authority. And they are very successful in brain washing. So, many Chinese people - especially the old generation - are still believe Mao is the God.

Yeah no soykaf. There's also Stalin. It is very obvious why. History is written by the victors and the enemy gets demonized beyond ridiculous proportions. Who benifited most from ww2?

I'm kinda curious about that too. My personal guess is the targets of the genocide. If it's a white Christian racist killing Jewish people and other non-whites/non-Christians then that's a horrible prick but if it's a bunch of Chinese people getting killed by other Chinese or Japanese killing and raping Koreans then who cares right? They arr rook tha same. That's the general attitude I get sometimes.

>>4066 This. We were at war with him. Even before the genocide came out we were making him out to be Satan. Now it's just one of those things. He's the one we always turn to when we want an example of evil and so he's remembered.

>>4064 Because academia, just like the media and SV, is run by socialists LARPing as progressives. With Google and Amazon gaining more and more power we are heading to worldwide socialism. Take a look at Amazon's distribution centers. That's how our future will look like.

>>4072 >capitalism is actually socialism You are not a bright one, huh?

>>4072 >this your mind on Reddit

Because most people you talk to are from the US or Europe and WW2 is the biggest event of the past century in these places.

>>4064 first Hitler killed 12 million Mao killed 60 million. second, it was indirect, Hitler dragged people into camps. While Chinese did have labor camps they were not on the scale of germany. also >>4076 makes a good point as Germany is a western nation and western world tends to focus on the west, you don't hear many Koreans talk about the horrors of pearl harbor. >>4072 >look at these private companies forcing socialism alt right, not even once.

trying to quantify the amount of people that Mao or Stalin killed via famine is pretty difficult to do, since it wasn't directly recorded and the "official" point wasn't to kill people. Estimates range wildly, the ones that get thrown around are usually on the high end of what historians seriously consider. In Hitler's Germany, on the other hand, the point was to kill people en masse. Everyone involved with it knew it, there could be no denial. I don't know about you, but that sounds worse.

>>4076 >WW2 is the biggest event of the past century in these places. WW2 is the biggest event of the past century period. It was the first truly global war.

Most educated people (and let's also throw in people who stopped after high school but actually read books) don't name Hitler as the worst person ever. Stalin is usually named first, or Mao. Or, they realize that history is a complicated mess and arguing over the person with the "high score" of deaths is rather unimportant and generally a silly thing to debate. That said, Hitler was still a huge asshole and the hordes of neo-Nazi forum trolls on the internet need to stop downplaying his crimes. Justice is not a matter of relativity; if I kill one person my crime isn't mitigated because you killed three. Also, sage.

>>4079 > the "official" point wasn't to kill people It was though. Arguing over who was worst is irrelevant anyway.

>>4084 >It was though. Really? Is there a document anywhere saying "kill x amount of Ukrainians"? Do you think the officers taking the food were told it was so that they would die? >Arguing over who was worst is irrelevant anyway. agreed!

>>4085 > Is there a document anywhere Oh look, it's Citation Needed Man. It's generally understood that these were acts of genocide used to thin the population and you haven't heard that before, I suggest you at least do a cursory internet search before getting into forum debates.

>>4080 >global >happened only in europe, little bit of north africa and in the end between US and Japan stope being so eurocentric and thinking whole world revolves around white people good god

>>4096 That is the poorest trolling attempt I've read on lainchan in a good while.

>>4083 I think that people, whether educated or not vastly more talk about Hitler being thw bad guy than Stalin or Mao, for few obvious reasons. I don't know what your conspiracy theory about internet nazi trolls is, but it does sound like something only an educated person like yourself could think of. But do please share it with us. Does it have anything to do with those evil Russian hackers maybe? to be honest both sides are laughable, but smug left leaning individuals like yourself who think they understand what is going on are the biggest jokes there are

>>4099 >anyone who doesn't think like me is trolling me xD You either don't consider rest of the world important enough or you sincerely think that all it takes for things to be "global" is EU and US

>>4079 >via famine Can I get "Dictatorship 101" for 500$? >Intentional actions to destroy a group of people in whole or in part through camps, gulags, forced labor and famine. What is "Genocide"? ZING!!!

All lainchan wannabe socialists need to look up dictionary defition of "genocide" if they think famine or gulags aren't comparable to Hitlers camps which were much better equiped than any socialist camps.

>>4084 >irelevant Yea... THAT is why most people talk about Hitler when they compare others to "the worst" person. Because it is tooootally irelevant and doesnt matter. Oh wait, here is another 3 movies from Hollywood about Anne Frank and how Hitler had concentration camps. No movies about Stalin gulags and no immigration enforcement coupled with famine killing millions more?

Hitler is the worst because he lost the war for the Germans.

because tha joose >: [ probably because people tend to be more reactionary towards the idea of an ethnicity being wiped out, after all what if that ethnicity was your own. There is nothing you can do. Even neo nazis today usually try to say the white race is being wiped out and thats one of their main selling points. Obviously as people we have some kind of gut wrenching reaction to people being killed for existing vs being killed for being perceived enemies of the state. Im not saying one is worse either, just that it seems to be the case. Or perhaps its many people, perhaps not all people do have that same reaction hence there being such a divide. With some people saying the holocaust and lynchings are blown out of wack and thus believing it must be some kind of conspiracy or propaganda because why would so many care about these over much larger death counts. it also may be somewhat related to people seeing innocence or obliviousness to whats happening making the outcome seem worse. For example I think people or I know I picture and ive read some accounts of gulags that these people knew soykaf was fuarrrking crazy, and that they would be dying there and working themselves to the bone. Meanwhile holocaust accounts there tends to be a lot of confusion involved with regards to the people. And finally as an american I don't know and have never directly heard from anybody whose parents or they themselves were in a gulag or a victim of the cultural revolution. But I do know people who were relatives of holocaust survivors and have heard from some. I think a lot must have came over here. Personal accounts always make the subject more real.

>>4091 Oh, I've heard it before. And I believe it. That's not the point I'm making though, I'm saying: it's not as direct of an attack, and the methods used aren't nearly as drastic. If you'll look at gulags, for example, the average person had a *way* higher chance of getting out with their life than in any Nazi death camp. Or with holodomor: soldiers weren't going around burning down villages and killing everyone in them, they were taking food. Seems like a difference to me, no? >>4101 I put it to you that every single country in the world was either a billigerent in, or was heavily economically impacted by, WW2. >>4104 hey, not denying, but it's the different means that make them different.

>>4124 Of the 90,000 soldiers who surrendered at Stalingrad only 5000 returned alive. The biggest expulsion of a people in modern history was the removal of Germans from East Prussia, there is footage of Soviets getting German civilians including women and children to lie on the road in a line and then running them all over in a truck, they didn't even deem it worth wasting ammunition.

They bring up Hitler and the Nazis as the number of cultural references to Hitlers and the Nazis being bad is several orders of magnitudes higher than cultural references to Mao. This seems obvious prima facie.

it doesn't not make Hitler a bad person. the holocaust is talked about more because it was in europe. the nazi's also were vehemently racist and rightist. not only was the genocide bad, their ideology was quintessentially abusive.

>>4127 >Of the 90,000 soldiers who surrendered at Stalingrad only 5000 returned alive. if you look at the gulag system survival rate(about 60%, by current death estimates), still far higher than that of, say, Belzec, which had a nearly 0% survival rate. >The biggest expulsion of a people in modern history was the removal of Germans from East Prussia dubious. The Syrian Civil War alone beats it easily, even if you use the highest historical estimate of 3 million missing or displaced. >there is footage of Soviets getting German civilians including women and children to lie on the road in a line and then running them all over in a truck, can't find it, can you possibly link me that video?

Because people don't think strictly in terms of >>who killed the most people. Hitler and the Nazis are hated so much because they systematically orchestrated mass genocide against Jews, gays, the disabled, gypsies and more for bigoted reasons. Mao's cultural revolution wasn't some deliberate attempt to wipe out all of rural China. It was an extremely soykafty attempt at modernising Chinese industry. That's not to say that Mao's China wasn't an awful, and he wasn't, but ideologically he's less deplorable. Kind of simple.

>>4132 /thread

Hitler lost, and his enemies wrote the history books. Mao Tse Tung won, and the machine he set in place is still running, and still defending his name, and politicians still have to deal with the PRC, and nobody except Taiwan and Singapore are running active counterprop.

>>4130 >Soviet Russia isn't in Europe Kay

>>4124 >the "official" point wasn't to kill people Yet you create an environment where people can't leave the country and only solution is for them to slowly starve? that sounds like whole country was a concentration camp

>>4133 >threading your own post

>>4138 > /threading somebodies post and then accusing them of doing it

Eurocentrism and fresh(er) memory

>>4138 >>4141 jej neither are true. Are you kids done yet?

>>4100 No one mentioned a conspiracy, it's just true that there is a plague of alt-retards and neo-Nazis on the internet now. I stated that Mao and Stalin were worse than Hitler and you get "leftist" out of that somehow. Quite wrong. I'm not surprised that you're so intimidated by the fact that some people have educations. I may be smug, but you're smug about being willfully ignorant.

>>4135 and? eastern europe isn't like western europe.

>>4131 5000 of 90000 is not 60% Most Syrian refugees are not Syrian or Refugees, plus there were 11 million Germans forced to move. Just look it up on Youtube or somewhere I don't save the link of every single piece of media I see. The soviets also were notorious for the mass rapes and murders that took place in German territory. The thing about the holocaust was that firstly it was exaggerated, there is no way a country like Germany could feed, house, move, cloth and exterminate 12 million people whilst fighting total war, allot of the facts and numbers around the holocaust just don't make sense. I'm not saying it didn't happen just that it did not happen as they say it did. Also the holocaust was a targeted systematic experimentation by a fanatic element of the Nazis against specific groups, the atrocities committed by the Soviets were standard practice by all units in general. The German army itself actually was quite humane and reasonable(army not SS), even so of course they would have committed atrocities at times, everybody did.

>>4165 Oh and I forgot; the earth was created in six days and is flat.

>>4166 Ahh the classic 'I do not agree with your post but for whatever reason I either cannot or will not refute it so I will make a dumb post and imply it is on the level of what you just wrote' meme, classic.

>>4167 Kubrick faked the moon landing too.

>>4165 >5000 of 90000 is not 60% r e a d i n g c o m p r e h e n s i o n >>if you look at the gulag system survival rate >>gulag system >Most Syrian refugees are not Syrian or Refugees they are displaced people, no? >plus there were 11 million Germans forced to move. wikipedia page says 500,000, at most 3 million. >holocaust denial, Nazi apologism yeah not even dignifying that with a response

>>4173 Well 5000 is not 60% of 90000, my point is you can of course pick certain aspects and then say that the survival rate of that is higher and therefore more humane but this works both ways, I would say the survival rate for western prisoners of war was far higher than 60%. No, they are immigrants looking for a better life. >By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%9350) Ahh yes, would not want to question your indoctrination now would we?

>>4168 Amuse me some more with your absurd posts Everyone is seeing how you lost the argument I bet the next thing you are going to say "I know what you are, but what am I?" Smh

>>4152 Why are you replying to your own posts to keep this thread alive? Seriously OP, stop. Just stop. Go do something better with your life instead of going after internet squabbles you gigantic retard

>>4164 >let me make subdivision chategories to play ignorant I think this song is for you https://youtu.be/6b0ftfKFEJg

>>4064 It's not like whataboutism will help on Hitler.

>>4186 >suggesting some grand conspiracy and not answering a question at face value Tell me exactly, who is politically biased here?

>>4073 >>4074 >>4078 I'm not the guy who said that 'amazon was what we could look forward to with socialism' but I'll defend his point because I think he's right. Socialism always involves the nationalization of industries, also generally comes with some sort of conscript or forced labor to buoy the economy when it inevitably falters. If the state owns the union, the factory and the party, your future will look like one of those amazon distribution centers, except when you quit your job you'll probably just get shot instead.

>>4192 > Socialism always involves the nationalization of industries, also generally comes with some sort of conscript or forced labor to buoy the economy when it inevitably falters Throughout american history, the US goverment has always subsidies, bailed out, or funded. There was never a take over. you are under the belief that corporations getting controlled by the government, when in reality it's corporations that control the government.

As a Polish person I would like to mention that we universally agree Stalin was worse despite Hitler's worst crimes happening here supposedly. Last time I visited Auschwitz they downgraded the official number down to 1 million. Lets adress the elephant in the room. It IS because of the "chosen people", I deliberately didn't use the j word because most people are programmed to dismiss such talk as being "nazi", effectively making anyone ignore their crimes. You don't have to be a nazi to be against them though you will certainly be called one, so you might as well accept the label and LARP as one for fun, unless you're a muslim, they get away with calling them out without being called nazi

>>4195 >so you might as well accept the label Coming from a Polack? wow, shocking

>>4197 >yearly independence day march >thousands of patriots show up Oy vey Poland, don't be so nazi. How dare you celebrate your independence waving your flags. Open borders are the future goyim Also, thanks for proving my point

>>4197 independence march day in polen is sorta complex stuff. You have neonazis clashing with police, patriots who want to go and don't have ties with nazis, antifa which wants to fight with neonazis. It's not "just 60,000 neonazis"

>>4104 >Intentional actions >via famine >>4135 What is eastern Russia >>4165 >Just look it up on Youtube or somewhere >>4175 >No, they are immigrants looking for a better life. >>By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled Had fleed. They were immigrants looking for a better life. >>4189 >suggesting some grand conspiracy Where >>4195 >they downgraded the official number down to 1 million. Have source?

>>4200 >>Intentional actions >>via famine When you close the borders and nobody is able to leave the country or own farms to make food to feed themselves, yea.... it's structural and systematic actions that make people die through famine. >eastern Russia >anybody living there Russia, like most of Russia is just considered to be Eastern Europe thingy. Siberia is tundra and any politician and geography expert will tell you it is more of European country, by genetics/politics and any other measurment even though it's borders do cross the what is poorly considered a "gap" between Europe and Asia. >Just look it up on Youtube or somewhere Random clip of refugees walking gives us enough of statistical invariability. You could even go look up asylum seeking statistics and see that most of "teens" and "children" in Sweden are actually full grown men that bypass the system because Sweden can't legally distrust someone who says they are 15 years old. >Had fleed. They were immigrants looking for a better life. One thing is to flee in search of better life, giving all you got to try and survive in new country and learning a new language COMPARED TO going through 7 borders of countries that denied your asylum status (because your country isn't at war), going to some northern country that is willing to cash you out money for living in their apartments and barely learning the language subsidized all free. They don't care about the country or better life they are getting. These aren't the refugees that fought tooth and nail to survive, they will not try to better their lives or anyones elses. >Where You suggested in post >>4186 that OP was trying to whatabout Hitler to make him seem like a better person. Just like all these other conspiracy people : >>4184 >>4123 >>4083 Do not act dumb, I assume you are not. >Have source? heard of Google, smarty pants?

>>4198 How do you not know the different between independence day march and nazi's?

>>4200 >Had fleed. They were immigrants looking for a better life. 600,000 to 2.7 million died during this expulsion, but it's not as if they were in any danger they were just looking for a better life right =).

>>4175 >>By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14 million ah, I misread.

>>4203 hundreds of Syrians die of bombs or various military actions in their homeland every day. But they're in no danger right Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>4152 the level of your paranoia is truly astounding

>>4207 I don't know if you have heard bu there is a war going on there right now, people die in wars. Most of the people going to Europe are not refuges and are not Syrian. The legitimate refugees are in the actual refugee camps within Syria and in surrounding nations.

>>4209 >I don't know if you have heard bu there is a war going on there right now, people die in wars. WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID TO MAKE MY POINT

>>4211 Nope, you are implying that all rapefugees are running away from Syria

>>4202 maybe because of this little guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Independence_Day_(Poland) >11 Nov >date of article 12 Nov and lemmie fuarrrking tell ya, this day is a soykaf show, antifa+nazis+police+regular_patriots in one big brawl

>>4211 You are implying they are all refuges and all from Syria. Also I never said there were not refugees from Syria, I said the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Germany was the largest of it's kind in modern history, to which you said it was not and that Syria was.

>>4216 >You are implying they are all refuges and all from Syria. Nobody made any such claim.

>>4173 >neurosuggesting a million people isn't a lot

>>4229 I am not implying that.

I can't be bothered to read all this but you know the truth: Hitler did nothing wrong

>>4232 Hitler was the worst leader. And a bad person in general. He failed to take over Russia, he failed to get Disney to recognize his art, he demonized people who really did nothing wrong, and got his ass whopped by the Americans, the cool parts of Europe, AND the commies. If Hitler was born in the early 90s, he'd be an edgelord frogposting NEET on /r9k/, and you know this. He'd be making tfw no empire threads all day.

people who knew hitler around the time he was homeless say he was a politically vicious debator. he wasn't a nice person and many psychologists think his repressed hate of his daddy made him that way. he envied blond, blue eyed muscular men for a reason. his feelings of inferiority were so pathological he did a lot to others to suppress his fuarrrking issues and, if any, conscience. hitler killed someone from his homeless days that admitted his deceitful personality. hitler killed the july 20 plotters by hanging until suffocation. he wanted the executions to be videoed. hitler killed jewish kids who did nothing wrong. hitler continues to be an idol to those who hate themselves and need a supremacist ideology to protect their feelings.

If you count famines, then Churchill killed more people than Hitler.

>>4064 people lack culture and imagination

Because Hitler systematically exterminated people based on physical attributes while Mao and Stalin killed people in the largest numbers due to stupid politico-economic decisions. They preferred labor camps to gas chambers for their 'undesirables'. It's in the intent.

>>4241 >people who knew hitler Second hand story telling? Don't know about you but that isn't my cup of tea... Ever heard of Herodotus (father of history) and his winged flying snakes? Yea yea, funny soykaf >and many psychologists think Gods chosen people made a pseudo science that calls upon claims of "imbalance chemicals in brain" as enough scientific evidence to create that branch of "science"? Wut wuuut? That pseudo science has enough backing behind it as postulations based on hunches. Basically give me enough time and through evolutionary psychology I will explain to you why sexism and homophobia is good for whole society. Give me a damn break. Also >psycho analyzing 80 year old dead body based on second hand stories Heh >he envied ... blue eyed men... He WAS blue eyed. Learn your damn history before you start teaching it to others you Mandela effected neanderthal. >hitler killed someone from his homeless days You know I heard a lot of "stuff" about Hitler... that he was pedophile, that he was into soykaf fetish, that he was homosexual, that he was a druggie on meth... A LOT of absurd claims based on little to no evidence. I am willing to look over yours if you don't mind of course. >hitler continues to be an idol to those who hate themselves and need a supremacist ideology to protect their feelings. Is that a new game that makes you win an argument? Ok let me try. "You are a smug chubby leftist that believes anything he reads, and he reads on few selected mainstream and leftist venues, not to mention that you will feel as if your points will be validated because of my reply. Your anger and discontent misdirected at me and my ilk because you can't handle your repressed anger so you project that whole mentality on people on the other side of political spectrum because it's zealous to even imagine a world where left and right will join forces against the people who created 2 party system that imprisons all of us." Fun game to be honest, although I honestly wish you to not act smug while obviously you are angered and annoyed by threads and posts of this kind. It shows your true colors. If you are acting smugish, at least act smugish and all knowing all the way not this half hearted bullsoykaf.

>>4233 >Hitler was the worst leader Wait, wasn't he a vegetarian who pushed for animal rights and was against pregnant women smoking and created a government program that cut down unemployment to 0% ? Hmmm really makes you think...

This thread is a discussion on Dragon Ball Z power levels only somehow more sophmoric

>>4259 >stating the obvious You're that type, aren't you?

>>4257 >Second hand story telling? Don't know about you but that isn't my cup of tea... it's pretty consistent first account story telling, even accepted by honest biographers of Hitler. >Gods chosen people made a pseudo science that calls upon claims of "imbalance chemicals in brain" as enough scientific evidence to create that branch of "science"? Wut wuuut? yeah whatever. 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt trolling. >That pseudo science has enough backing behind it as postulations based on hunches. daddy problems are well documented. >Basically give me enough time and through evolutionary psychology I will explain to you why sexism and homophobia is good for whole society. Give me a damn break. relevance? nice strawman. >psycho analyzing 80 year old dead body based on second hand stories most of these facts were established while hitler was alive. >He WAS blue eyed. i know that. my statement was "he envied blond, blue eyed muscular men" >You know I heard a lot of "stuff" about Hitler... that he was pedophile, that he was into soykaf fetish, that he was homosexual, that he was a druggie on meth... A LOT of absurd claims based on little to no evidence. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/homeless.htm >You are a smug chubby leftist that believes anything he reads, and he reads on few selected mainstream and leftist venues, not to mention that you will feel as if your points will be validated because of my reply. there's a difference. what i said makes sense and it applies to you. what you said can't be implied from what i said. > because it's zealous to even imagine a world where left and right will join forces against the people who created 2 party system that imprisons all of us. yeah i'm arguing hitler's fanboys have issues and against hitler being a good person. i wouldn't use the word zealous, i would say stupid, because i think the problem of the world is wealth inequality. liberals represent me pretty well. on the other hand, you don't have a popular alt-right voice in the conservative or liberal parties, which probably explains your weird claim. >Fun game to be honest, although I honestly wish you to not act smug while obviously you are angered and annoyed by threads and posts of this kind. It shows your true colors. If you are acting smugish, at least act smugish and all knowing all the way not this half hearted bullsoykaf. boy did you take it personally. almost like i actually hit the right button...?

>>4257 He actually was on meth and a cocktail of other drugs prescribed by his doctor. That's more of a thing of the times though, not much was known about it and quacks often prescribed it and people sold it, there was a meth based product sold on the civilian market that German soldiers took until it was derezzed in 1941 or so, the British were giving their soldiers drugs based on speed at the same time and after though.

>>4273 Even if I told you that I live in upper middle class with a father and family that loves me you would still think you're right. To your kind there is no argument or logic that can persuade you. Talking to you is just a waste of time.