Alcohol

What the fuarrrk do people enjoy about drinking alcohol? I have been taking drugs since I was 16 but didn't touch alcohol until I became 18 and I really gotta wonder what people enjoy about it. It makes it hard to think straight, I have coordination problems and in general it's not fun at all.

it's a social lubricant. That's basically the only real use for it.

makes me feel good for a while but yeah, essentially poison for ur brain and liver

I like the strong flavor and the fuzzy warm feeling it gives you. As for the buzz i like the dreamy sort of way it alters perception. I dont like the stomach problems and headaches it gives me later on.

>>9752 >It makes it hard to think straight That's the point. You can't form a coherent thought and that makes you unable to worry about your problems.

>>9755 >>9753 >Social lube >Antidepressant >Thought-dissolver /Thread

>>9752 I dont know about yuo glitterboys, but I drink it for the taste. I don't like the feeling of getting drunk tho

>>9758 what the hell is a glitterboy? Is that some kind of esoteric neologism you came up with in an alcoholic stupor?

>>9768 You must be new

Yall should drink wine. Good wine is delicious in of itself and is great for pairing with food. I like to relax in the evening with either a glass of wine or a glass of vodka with ice. Takes the edge off, makes me ruminate, and sometimes I get a bit impulsive and do something that I have been putting off (e.g., start a grad school application). I prefer it to weed because I can still "think" and I can still retain my appetite and self control. People say that alcohol kills intelligence, but from my ancedotal experience weed ruins your memory and clouds your judgement and cognitive abilities. That isn't to say moderation isn't important. I don't understand mainstream drinking culture, i.e. drinking soykaf beer/alcohol for the sole purpose of getting "wasted bro". If I'm going to inebriate myself to the point of delirium, I'll take edibles instead (if not pyschedelics)

Alcohol is very set and setting dependent for me. If I'm in a soykaf mood and drinking alone, all I notice is the negatives and it amplifies whatever negative mood/emotions I have. The only use I get out of it in this state is a dirty sedative/anti-anxiety effect. In the right setting, it amplifies positive moods, quiets my autistic mind, lets me get lost in an exaggerated sense of self, and increases my desire to socialize and connect with others. Besides GHB, it's one of the more recreational GABAergics for me.

>>9773 That's pretty standard. Alcohol takes restraint off, and amplifies the mood. I like this about it, as it lets me explain my problems more clearly, without tiptoeing around the issue. I also enjoy drinking with my buddies and breaking out in heated debates, on wether the FN 5.7x28mm is a good cartridge, or things like that.

>>9768 A glitterboy is a boy that likes getting naked and having a special kind of glue rubbed over his body then being sprinkled with glitter.

>>9752 I honestly feel in the same way as you, i've had given up alcohol some years ago because the whole concept of giving up something as precious to me as having a brain in working conditions doesn't make sense. >It makes it hard to think straight fun thing that a lot of people that drinks alcohol do: >poison yourself till you can't think straight >do some stupid soykaf / get kidnapped / get raped because you choosed to give up your hability to think while being in a dangerous environment (example, a club) >complain about it the next day, feel huge regret > rinse and repeat

>>9777 I hope you don't use any mind altering or other narcotic substances then. These all lead to the same result. btw: >fun thing that a lot of people that drinks alcohol do: >poison yourself till you can't think straight >do some stupid soykaf / get kidnapped / get raped because you choosed to give up your hability to think while being in a dangerous environment (example, a club) >complain about it the next day, feel huge regret > rinse and repeat Yup. True. Now, guess what would happen if you would legalize any other drug, completely, then engrain it's use into society for a thousand or so years. Guess what, it'll be exactly the same. People do stupid soykaf, regardless of the drug they use. The only difference is, how much they manage to do before they crash, and how much resistance they can put up to r4pe and r0bbing.

>>9780 >I hope you don't use any mind altering or other narcotic substances then. These all lead to the same result. Yeah, i dont do any drugs, not anymore; the best experiences in life for me starts with cognition in adequate conditions. >People do stupid soykaf, regardless of the drug they use. Yeah, i absolutely agree. Replace alcohol with any other soykaft and the result would be the same. It's the sad part of being the dominant species on earth, there's no real predator to help with natural selection on humans. And most people choose to bring more mouths to feed into this world, kids they can't truly take care of, kids that will end up uneducated and recurring to drugs like alcohol as an easy escape o reality.

I have made the mistake of purchasing a bottle of Absolut Vanilla flavoured vodka and now I'm going to have this disgusting trash in my fridge staring at me until I manage to choke all of it down

>>9790 Or better yet, pour it down the toilet and it'll stop whispering in your ear "drink me" At least is what i do when people gift me trash food, the only soykaf i consume sometimes

>It makes it hard to think straight, I have coordination problems yeah, that's what being high feels like. Do you want drugs to keep you sober?

I've never had alcohol, so I can't say. Probably because teenage me thought it's normal person soykaf. At this point I just keep it up so I can see people's reactions when I tell them about it. It's stupid.

>>9793 alcohol doesn't compare to something like stims though, which if I had to describe them in an analogous way make you think hyperstraight fi that is your definition of sober, stims make you hypersober

because its tasty

>>9794 >I've never had alcohol, so I can't say. Probably because teenage me thought it's normal person soykaf. It is. Well done.

>>9795 they are completely different types of drugs

>>9756 It's equally likely to do the opposite in my experience. People incoherently jump from problem to problem and put more weight on minor problems than is appropriate. They're also unable to rationalize solutions to new problems. >>9768 It's a word filter, new friend. >>9795 Stimulant high is hyper focused and gives you clear thoughts, but definitely not thinking straight. Coke makes you feel alert and focused, but do soykaf people don't do when thinking straight. Like spending an entire night rambling about irreverent soykaf with strangers and then agreeing to start a band or business with them.

>>9795 Even small doses of stims make me delusionally overconfident in my skills/cognition. It can help up to a point but I have to self-monitor and be mindful when I'm using them. Can be very insidious.

I keep wanting to quit but there is too much noise in my mind on most weeks and its far too available and too easy to reach for. Its just nice to be able to take some and feel yourself relax and forget all the stressors for a night, hard to misdose it though. I'm sick as fuarrrk at the minute so there's no chance I'm quitting this week anyway

Right convinced almost my entire family to do dry January who else is doing it lains?

>>9758 Same, though as a drug it seems like the social lubricant qualities are real and should be noted. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, with respect to a lot of countries with strong drinking cultures and relatively introverted quiet people naturally, vs say arab countries with anti drinking cultures (I know many of them drink anyway) and what seems a greater proportion of naturally gregarious and social people. No arab will ever be as sober as a sober finn. >>9858 definitly not me but I'll drink a glass for you tonight.

>>9892 I'll drink that glass myself I just got stood up for the third time in a row and I am absolutely not spending tonight sober lmao

Day 16 no alcohol, when do the cravings stop? I spent all of last night thinking about it, I didn't get anything done because I was concentrating so hard on not going and getting a drink

>>9961 They never stop, but you can rest easy knowing this is as bad as it'll get. You get used to it eventually.

>>9961 you're joking right? How long have you been sober for?

>>9963 Meant for >>9962

I think it's only popular because of inertia and because it's legally available everywhere. There's nothing it does that other substances don't do better and with less impact on health. Most notably GHB is very similar in how it feels and how it affects people, including the multiple stages from slight tipsiness to coma. Major differences are that the high feels cleaner and that instead of a hangover you wake up well rested and refreshed. IIRC there even are literal alcohols with similar effects that are safer to consume. >taste Bullshit. Smokers also say that about smoke, but truth is it tastes like soykaf and they're just coping. Sure, a cold beer can be nice now and then, but it tastes the same without the ethanol and for drinks where it's important as a solvent/carrier for flavors you could just substitute it for something else.

>>9968 Taste actually is a big reason, its definitely an acquired taste (think of the average teenager's reaction when they have their first beer) but it is a taste and a large portion of the flavour or maybe rather the texture of alcoholic drinks is the alcohol itself, NA beer doesn't bite quite the same for example, you have to reacquire the taste and it takes a few days I am >>9961 now on Day 21 and I'm currently enjoying a non alcoholic Heineken because I really like the taste of beer but it took a few goes for the NA version to feel "right" to me, even the best NA versions taste slightly different I think a large reason for its popularity is also its extreme ease of production and the variety in it, you can make booze from virtually anything with basic equipment and a clean environment and you can get lots and lots of different variations relatively easy, there's a huge amount of novelty in alcohol you don't really get with other drugs imo, at least not as easily consumable and producible ones I will say now that I've been off drink for a while the taste of the alcohol itself compared to the same beverage but non alcoholic is actually quite disgusting, I had a mouthful of actual beer the other night by accident while out with friends and it tastes fuarrrking acrid and cloying, I guess I like the taste of beer except the actual alcohol

>>9968 Additionally, on your point about smoking, I think it actually furthers the thing about taste The flavours of different alcoholic drinks as with the flavours of different cigarettes only matters to people that use them, the substances are too foul to non users for differences in flavour to matter When I was smoking I did actually care about and enjoy the difference in flavour between Lucky Strike, American Spirit, JPS, Marlboro etc. and could tell them apart by taste "texture" and the smell they produced, having quit smoking 4 years ago all of them smell like the same absolute ass now and even quitting a strong mouthful of second hand smoke has a disgusting taste and makes me gag I think its the same with booze, when you're habituated to the actual taste of alcohol it stops being a problem and you can compare the different flavours ontop of the booze on on their own, when you don't drink the taste of alcohol dominates over everything else and renders any drink non enjoyable.

>>9999 >when you don't drink the taste of alcohol dominates over everything else and renders any drink non enjoyable. I haven't drinked at all in years and i must agree, anything with the slightest amount of alcohol is non-enjoyable, and the alcohol taste predominates over everything else (and i'm talking about stuff with just a bit of alcohol)

>>9999 Nice quads dude >When I was smoking I did actually care about and enjoy the difference in flavour between Lucky Strike, American Spirit, JPS, Marlboro I'm a non smoker, and never have smoked nor lived with a smoker. But I do really love the smell of cigarettes, but not all of them. Its pretty hard to tell which is which but I definitly can tell some differences. Re alcohol though I think this is true about the overwhelming quality, though when I was new to alcohol I did enjoy the taste and smell of the ethanol, just could hardly tell the difference between the liquors.

>>9968 >>10006 I'm also a non-smoker who loves the smell and taste of cigarette smoke. The nicotine buzz is the reason why I don't smoke. Alcohol taste wise, I used to mix two shots of everclear into a bottle of gatorade and that had a good taste. Better than any beer, wine, mixed drink, or champagne I've ever had. Other than that, I never found a good tasting alcoholic drink

>>9968 >Sure, a cold beer can be nice now and then, but it tastes the same without the ethanol the reason it tastes good is the same reason it has ethanol. The reason alcohol-free beers aren't as good is because they have to modify the fermentation process, you can't just filter out the ethanol and leave everything else the same. anyway, ethanol doesn't even taste that bad. When it's cold I love drinking really strong liquor, not to be drunk but for the warmth & heat from drinking it.

Its Valentine's at the weekend

I enjoyed because i can dance cumbia and ska without problems

for me alcohol is a substance that accompanies marijuana for example. take jagermeister with 2 ices and peach juice. if you take that with a joint you will have a better time.

>>10010 There are processes involving vacuum chambers and ethanol evaporation. They're just a bit costly. In any case, no, alcohol is not the most fun drug around, and the dose for meaningful psychotropic effects is far too close to the dose required to be dangerous.

>>10127 That just gives me the spins. >>9962 Bullshit as >>9963 says. It took a bit more than a year for mine to leave. But they're gone now.

Makes me feel less anxious. The dizziness is fun. But yeah, mainly bc makes me less self aware

>>9962 >>9961 >>10129 Its day 35 now and I still think about it occasionally but I don't really have strong cravings anymore, I was upset about something last night and I briefly really badly wanted a drink but it was pretty brief

>be extremely anti drinking my life because a good friend almost killed himself in no small part because of alcohol (this was 7th-10th grade) >finally turn 18 and try drinking because i am trying to make an initiative to realise alcohol isn't that bad for you >first time is good but don't like the taste of beer so stick to vodka mixed with lemon water >eventually few weeks pass and drink again on an empty stomach because forgot to eat for like a day >terrible experience, vomit and feel soykaf for 2 days Haven't drank since then, been a few months and considering picking it up, just with some low alc% drinks that taste sweet, "girly drinks" so to speak I don't go out with friends irl, have a few guys from my previous high school that like to game with

Social lubricant, its much easier to dance when you are 4 shots in.

Alcohol make brain spinny. Nuff said. Go overdose on a gram of some obscure, fuarrrked up designer drug or something you hippie, pussies can't handle the hangover.

>>9799 So is weed. Munch some Datura.

>>10133 Genuinely happy for you, lain. It gets a lot easier from here.

>>10279 Thanks, day 55 now, no real cravings now at all, more very occasional vague thoughts about drinking. Is this a bowling ball trapped in a door frame or something really tall peaking in under the top of a door?

>>10286 Keep at it, i have a friend who is sober for 3 years now, he used to be an extremely heavy drinker and nearly lost his life cuz of it, which is why he stopped. Alcohol may seem fun, but its not worth it and overrated in general to be honest.

>>10290 >Alcohol may seem fun, but its not worth it and overrated in general to be honest. my roommate (who does not drink frequently or heavily) once said he is sad he has never gotten really drunk. I told him that being drunk is like kicking dead whales down the beach compared to having one or two drinks in you, in a social setting. meanwhile I drink a couple every night regardless... I think I will just not buy any more alcohol. It is quickly becoming not even worth it.

finishing off my bottle of rum tonight. This is the last time I will buy alcohol and keep it in my home. Realized I've been having all kinds of alcoholic thoughts like "I should have a drink right now" at random times and such. I figure the combination of a wicked hangover and not having any around will be good for preventing future mistakes. And I'm having a pretty decent night. Not great but not bad.

>>10290 Welp I went on holiday around day 70 and ended up drinking, which I didn't regret as I had some fun times and met a cute girl that I'm still talking to now that I'm back home I got the coof then when I came home and the plan to stay off the beer went completely out the window, I have been drinking pretty regularly since I got back after the first few days of being sick when I couldn't anything but lie in bed, time to go off it again I guess My skin turned to soykaf after about 2 weeks of being back on the booze and all the weight I lost just reappeared overnight lol, being sick and then being exhausted for two weeks didn't help but mostly it was the beer I hate my dopamine fried brain

I enjoy the flavor of many drinks and sit and and chill with a friend or two for a afternoon. Besides that I tend to be able to be more productive when decently intoxicated that i have ngl done more work while drunk than sober. I just can't commit to changes and design decisions confidently enough normally.

>>10162 You don't need to, alcohol is addictive and, as other lains have pointed out, is literally poison for you. While I get that it has it's appeal, it's not needed and you'll be happier without it. I know people who's life got ruined by alcohol and wouldn't even want that to my worst enemy.

I had horrible experiences with alcohol, I really don't like getting drunk, the appeal of drinking to me is mostly to taste drinks and forgetting about life. People also say it helps with socializing but I just became more emotional and unstable, it's easier to make friendships with full control of my thoughts and actions.

>allows me to relax >allows me to enjoy things >allows me to be able to talk with others >allows me to not just think all the time >allows me to exist while not thinking about past mistakes >cheap >easily attainable >socially acceptable

>>9795 Can I get some examples of drugs you guys would consider to be stims? Are there any that don't have a big addiction risk? By which I mean not a lot more addictive than pot. Definitely less addictive than coke - I've never tried it but I've heard enough stories of people getting caught up in it.

Dude, some Pepeepoepl like mkultra brain rewiring drugs, some like getting pissed and silly with close friends. Idk bro if it's the taste or potential hangovers, your a week cunt (I am dtnk btw, that's the cool thing because I'll be able too write properly after and not be an ego dead Sophia simp hippie

>>9777 These are very specific sounding scenarios anon. Me? I'm a beast, any woman tries to rape me when drunk Ill fist fight her whole family first and then rape HER. I can't feel pain, my thoughts are finally direct and coherent, not bound by Interferrng entities, it's the soykaf and I'd rather a hang over than ego death, you click simp.ffagot. >B-but muh liver n brain n shirt!?! Nnnn!!! I don't plan on living past 35, I'll only live my peak and do as much as I can during. It. You stay gay tho

>>10781 >any woman Ok but what about the other half of the world? I doubt you are the legendary drunken master of kung-fu. Being drunk makes you more vulnerable not less. But that anon is stupid anyway you should always have a drinking buddy you trust to watch your back, know the area, etc. etc.

>>10719 How's it been going since then? 70 days before relapse is a good go.

>>10781 Spoiler oopsie: you don't get to die, it just hurts more when you get old now

>>10992 Not so good, I put on 5kg over April and May and only started to get a handle on it again late in June, been mostly managing 5 or 6 days a week sober since, which doesn't sound bad but I often binge drink quite heavily when I am drinking basically by accident. I kept trying to go off again but once I was back in the loop it was very hard to break and drinking makes my anxiety and self esteem far worse which makes it even harder to stop falling back on it whenever I'm bored or lonely, then drinking again undoes all the good I did exercising and dieting during the week and it repeats ad infinitum. I am 14 days clear again today though and determined to keep going, after day 10 it becomes markedly easier not to think about it, I'm still overweight but the bloat is gone. I started keeping a journal in mid June and its scary reading it how much of my internal monologue was dedicated to thinking about alcohol and trying not to drink it, I tend to get obsessive about subjects anyway but I must have had it constantly ticking over in my mind.

>>10994 *handle on it mid may, looking at my app >Flood detected, post discarded Detect my ass

>What the fuarrrk do people enjoy about drinking alcohol? They think they enjoy it but they don't. As a soykaffaced asshole who stopped drinking a month ago, people who drink often don't drink to enjoy themselves. They drink because there's no other motive to go outside and hang out with people if there is no alcohol, it becomes like a social norm for them. Maybe mistaken people who haven't the habit thinks they're going to enjoy themselves, then they drink 10-12 beers at some party and wake up destroyed the other day. The only thing that makes them overthink the shame and headache the other day is that everybody was wasted, people made out, "funny" stories about irresponsible destructive behavior, etc. "But everyone was wasted bro, pay no mind." In most cases is a social contract of not giving a soykaf for a while then acting weird later. You get to the point that you wouldn't stay at any place outside your home long enough if booze isn't involved. Alcohol brings the worst of you in a playful way at an early state of intoxication, then, if you are unfortunate enough to be like that, your actual psychological shadows comes to life and soykaf happens. Alcohol is soykaf. Fake relaxation, fake courage, fake socialization, artificial "openness" that leads to retarded social behavior. Want social drugs? Smoke tobacco and drink coffee. People shouldn't get along while drunk. I could get mildly inebriated drinking half a bottle of wine or two great beers to harmonize with food, but I know my drunken self would just want another one. In the end of it all it's just cheap, dirty catharsis all the way. As some anon ITT pointed out, it's a drug for normal people. If you ain't a normal user, alcohol will lead you to nasty paths. I only smoke weed, drink coffee and smoke tobacco now. Also, weed isn't a social drug to me, I only smoke at home. And Ayahuasca at religious gatherings, but I honestly wouldn't consider it as a simple recreational drug.

Booze makes me forget my problems like nothing else. I have bad anxiety most of the time. It is a problem. Alcohol is a an addictive temporary solution, which means it is also a problem. It's a real pickle. The real answer may just be a shack way out in the wilderness.

>>11257 Booze doesn't actually address anxiety though, it just acts like anesthesia and stops you feeling it in the moment, it is no more a solution for anxiety than morphine is a solution for a broken leg. If you keep pumping pain killers the underlying problem gets worse and you also get an addiction that is more dangerous than the thing you were dealing with in the first place. Its a massive cliche but Sobriety gives everything alcohol only promises, my anxiety and self esteem issues are far less severe when I'm off alcohol, and skyrocket back up when I start drinking again. Partially that's because I'm not doing something that makes me feel like soykaf and destroys my health, and partially because I have the physical energy and extra free time to do things that actually do fix anxiety and confidence issues.

i get into fight with strangers and booze makes me feel no pain. unfortunately it hampers my fighting ability so i rarely win but that's okay.

>>10994 >>10719 100 days sober again today lains lets go

>>11262 >>11257 >Booze doesn't actually address anxiety though In the long run it's worse for it. Regular drinking contributes to your overall anxiety level. For that matter it makes it worse in the short term, (depending on your definition of short term) as the worst anxiety attacks I've had were the day after a serious drinking binge.

I would be using any other drug if i could get my hands on it but i'm stuck out in the bush right now and alcohol is all there is. You have to drink quite a lot to get the effects of just a few cones though. >>9790 Liquers are not worth it, you are paying more for less alcohol and more sugar

>>9752 gin + tonic is legit very tasty drink and you can get fuarrrked up on that. Probably cheapest way for it, if you want to enjoy your drink too - Gordon gin is pretty cheap and its delicious with tonic. From well known drinks i tried cuba libre, but i dont like rum, its too sweet for me. Also apperol (apertiff) + cheap white wine + ice and orange - this is bit too sweet but not bad, not very expensive but not a lot of alcohol in it too. Thats all i know about drinks. Probably gonna try legit martini next with Gordon + some medium shelf dry vermouth

I'm sorry that you don't enjoy the simple pleasures of fermented grain, fruit, potato, or sugar-cane beverages lainon I for one enjoy a scotch on the rocks from time to time.

>>10994 Was sober until 9th of December when I went on holiday again, as it was a singles holiday and all of the socializing was built around drinking, enjoyed the scene while I was away, really good time, yadayada. Been drinking regularly since I got back as it was Christmas and I figured it would be OK to do so until New Year's, (not had a binge or episode of blackout drinking so far, mostly social with a few nights light drinking at home while playing games and reading) Had two good nights out and haven't had a bad episode happen while actually drinking yet, but starting to experience horrific anxiety, insomnia and bloat the morning after and while sober, look like I've been floating in the river for a few days this morning,. Also noticing more and more thinking about when it's acceptable to start drinking again and the amount I'm drinking is ramping up rapidly, when I had the first beer on holiday it hit me like a sledge hammer, now a six pack over a few hours barely touches me. Quitting again today. Guess I can drink while out of regular life once or twice a year, but need to quit immediately once home and can't drink regularly or I'll go into a slide again. Don't really feel like I'll struggle to stay off it again to be honest. I think I'm literally half the posts in this thread at this point, nobody else on here likes big posting? Alcohol culture in Austria is trash btw, Beer was soykafty and Schnapps mostly tastes like dirt water or cheap alcopops with no good middle ground, disappointed too as I'd assumed it would've been like Germany.

I've never had a reason to drink alcohol and similar to every other drug, every user I've found wants to push it on me. Or they're just a general condescending asshole who thinks me not drinking is an infantalizing trait. I don't care what other people do but they seem to want to make sobriety a big deal. I don't get it.

well, you don't need to get drunk to enjoy alcohol, for many people it's just an addition to other activity, for people who have tried other drugs it may seem less appealing because it just doesn't feel as good as other things, alcohol is also legal and easy to get in most of the countries, i also prefer other substances but i also enjoy a drink when just chilling on a pc or even getting drunk with friends from time to time, also most people don't even think about trying illicit drugs since most of the society is pretty anti-drug, people are just scared and have a lot of misconceptions about other substances and that's why they choose alcohol