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I don't like cigarettes in pack or vape, but rolled cig delicious and pleasant, especially after bottle of wine or weed. I know that it harmful, just don't do it regular. I like tastes with cherry.

Agree on roll ups tasting better than straights but disagree with vapes. Vapes taste nice but the niccy doesnt hit the same. Straights taste hollow

How do you manage to not get addicted? I would love to try but nicotine addiction is nasty, I fear it too much to even buy a single pack of tobacco

>>7378 Just don't smoke it all in one go. Have one every now and then, just like you would a cigar

>>7384 Nah, this doesn't work. You'll find yourself smoking more and more eventually. Just never start consuming nicotine. It gives you nothing and is one of the unhealthiest drugs out there. Do whatever you want but don't try cigs and heroin

I hope you're all using a good filter of some kind. >>7399 Nicotine by itself isn't as bad as tobacco so may want to rephrase that. Nicotine doesn't have the proven cancer risk tobacco does odd as it sounds. It still can cause vascular damage though but Im actually not sure where that ranks compaired to something like caffeine in comparison.

>>7399 >putting cigs on the same level as heroin fuarrrking kek mate

>>7401 No, that's just wrong. Coronary heart disease is one of the most common death causes for smokers and its caused by the effect of nicotine, not smoke. Nicotine causes all kinds of problems, you have to keep in mind that it is a natural pestizide so it is poisonous.

I think I will try tobacco for the first time in the following days, will probably settle for Pueblo, I don't know how to choose a rolling tobacco but I once met a 60 year old hippie while camping and he was chainsmoking Pueblo and he was a really cool guy I thought I will buy this too. Any tips for rolling for the first time? I assume it is a good idea to put in very little in the beginninv and smoke only once per week to not get addicted to nicotine fast. Anything else?

>>7422 Just so you know, Pueblo is very dry, it's one of those brands where they recommend adding moisture yourself - you can use orange peel or a hydrostone, but I also know people who just smoke it out the packet.

>>7423 How do dry and humid tobaccos differ?

>>7422 >Any tips for rolling for the first time? This might go without saying, but use a filter. Your cigs will be smoother, easier to smoke, and easier to roll. Getting good at rolling takes a bit of practice but generally you want to focus on getting the part near the filter formed and sealed correctly. Getting the right amount of tobacco is also important. This is how you control how hard the draw is and how quick it burns. >will probably settle for Pueblo, I don't know how to choose a rolling tobacco If you're looking for other suggestions, I like Stokkebye tobacco.

>>7425 What sort of filter is good? I've seen all kinds of materials filters are made of. Cotton, paper, cellulose acetate plastic, activated carbon, natural cork and i think even glass

>>7422 Its good tobacco, i suppose if you want to take the risk of addiction(its a bitch), thats up to you but since life is short fuarrrk it. You can add some herbs for flavor, mint or lavender is great. As for the filter doesnt really matter that much, organic paper filters are good enough. Maybe if you like it try waterpipe one day, its a nice way to smoke, but lots effort for the first time.

>>7399 Works for me, maybe I just don't have an addictive personality

What's the lain approved way of consuming nicotine? Cigarettes? Snus? Dip? Pipes? Cigars? Snuff? Vape? Anything else?

Waterpipe is the least bad way to consume from my experience. I tried everything under the sun except things like patches and other exotic things.

>>7657 How do you define least bad? I tried it a couple of times but everyone has some crazy sweet and artificial flavors. I hate that and thus never tried it again.

>>7658 (I'm not the other poster) >How do you define least bad? In a harm reduction sense using a water pipe is the least bad way to smoke something. The water filters out some carcinogens found in smoke. >I tried it a couple of times but everyone has some crazy sweet and artificial flavors. Just buy unflavored loose leaf tobacco and use that. If you want to buy a water pipe you can get one for cheap from a smoke shop.

Nasal spray is the nootropic nicotine consumption

I'm considering getting some tobaccoless nicotine pouches to use as a nootropic. Gum didn't do anything for me couldnt feel a thing even. >>7662 Where do you even get that and wouldn't improper dosing occur pretty easily?

Pipesmoking is the comfiest, I wish I could do it without looking like a larper (I'm 20)

>>7668 just use pipe tobacco in a dynavap

>>7668 Pipesmoker since my 14's (smoking rolling cigs to when I was younger, I'm in my 30's now). Sometimes a good cigare. Once you're familiar with the object you're not larping. You could easilly looks like a virgin pipesmoker or a chad pipesmoker, depend on how confident you are for sure.

>>7669 Interesting, honestly never heard of dry herb vaporizers. The dynavap seems like the best one having no electronic parts and such (the downside being it looks like you're smoking a crack pipe from a distance when you heat it with a lighter). That's what I want out of a vaping device. Just a metal pipe with compartments for herb to be heated up in. Is the whole thing metal? Are there any other filter things in the body?

>>7688 Pretty sure they're all metal. I used one when I was in the UK and didn't take it back with me since it was pretty full of resin. I think it has a metal filter/screen inside.

>>7688 The internal parts may be ceramic or glass which is prefered over plastic or metal.

>>7683 Post pics of your pipe please

i used to smoke a lot of cigarettes when i was in high school but i stopped and don't use nicotine at all anymore. my favorite form of nicotine is swedish snus, one time i got super drunk in tokyo and ended up befriending these two swedish guy and he's told me i had to try it it. it was so good and i kept stealing some from him. it tasted good, you could swallow your saliva with it in, and then buzz was heavenly.

>>7691 I have almost 20. I will post the one I smoke right now later, now I have to go for a walk in the cold snowy night. >nightwalk.mp3 >comfy.png

>>7691 >>7695 ok, delivering now. Pipe: Rossi https://pipedia.org/wiki/Rossi Poison: a mix 50/50 of these https://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/12302/chacom-5 https://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/12301/chacom-3 Soft wooden vanilla + deep dark latakia, good. Will be better later in the night when it will be colder with a warm earl grey tea.

>>7361 When I roll the cigarette only lasts a few puffs and burns out pretty quick. How do I stop this from happening?

>>7694 >snus+alot of alcohol sounds like a pretty wild ride

>>7728 Roll longer and/or thicker cigs, maybe smoke from a pipe and refill.

>>7730 Hmm. When I smoke my friend's rollies, it doesn't burn out as fast as mine. I think I already use plenty of tobacco.

>>7697 Damn, that's looking nice. Thanks for sharing

I'm thinking of trying out gum for improving concentration. Anyone tried something similar and can offer tips?

>>7735 It won't work. It barely suppresses the cravings, and gives you none of the rush. If you chew it faster for greater effect you will just get sick.

>>7735 I felt nothing trying this. My guess is the gum isn't an effective method which is why I started thinking nicotine pouches might work better or maybe lozenges for a more steady release. Haven't been able to try yet.

>>7735 it seemed to work pretty well for me, though it's not at all similar to the effects of smoking it

>>7423 I bought some Pueblo the other day and it's pretty rough. I think I may add a peel in the tobacco packet but I'm worried about the pesticides and other poison they add to the fruit when growing it.

>>7430 I don't have a strong preference. I'd just get whatever the smoke shop had handy, usually cotton.

Hey lains, I'm a noob and don't have any smoking friends, what's your guy's smoking technique?

>>8589 Dont start, you will regret it. If you enjoy suffering, smoke from a pipe, can be a wooden one or one of those deathly small crack metal pipes. Or roll you own coffin nails, if youre that lazy get one o dem cheap machines. Recommendation is to mix tobacco with herbs, lavender, mint, whatever other spieces or teas you might like.

Tobacco-free nicotine pouches (Zyn, or Velo if you want fruit flavor) For your consideration: the addictiveness of cigarettes isn't just about the nicotine, but also about how they're full of MAOIs: https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

>>8595 Forgot: Also the ritual of smoking. The hand to mouth. Socializing with the other smokers. This applies to everything, not just cigs. That smoking ritual addiction will hook you on anything from cigs to meth. Yes, meth per se is highly addicting. But even on top of its unnatural dopamine dump, meth users are generally in consensus that smoking it adds its own brand of fiendishness. Take it from someone who started vaping for the (paltry) stimulation and socializing -- it's not worth it. I don't mean that like how people say it about real drugs that feel awesome but ruin your life. I mean it's trash and you'll just spend years kicking an addiction that never did soykaf for you in the first place. If you must try nicotine then do it with something you can just stick in your mouth like the pouches or snus. Don't construct yourself a whole little ritual addiction.

I like smoking every once in a while but the buzz is hardly noticable, a cup of coffee has more effect on me than a cigarette. I couldn't imagine getting addicted but I don't want to risk it so I just smoke in social situations as a conversation starter etc. Is there something wrong with me or do some people just not feel nicotine as much as others? I of course do inhale but apart feom feeling slightly more alert I don't notice anything

>>8621 Yeah that's my point, it doesn't really do anything for you. It doesn't get you anything resembling high unless your idea of getting high is being less irritable for a while (surprise: you'll end up needing to smoke to not be restless and irritable). It can vaguely enhance enjoyment of food and activities that you already enjoyed just fine without an $8/pack addiction. The benefits, so to speak, are peripheral and hardly exclusive. >You don’t start smoking because you like to smoke, any more than anyone starts drinking because they like the taste of flat warm frat party beer. Smoking itself is disgusting and carcinogenic—and it causes most first-time smokers to hack and puke. I knew that as well as anyone else who started after 1964, when the Surgeon General’s Report on Smoking and Health confirmed what both physicians and tobacco companies had known for at least 20 years: Smoking is deadly. >You start neither because of the danger nor in spite of it. The actual, physical danger of smoking is incidental, and feels somewhat inapplicable, to a child; it is the aura of danger you want. Public service announcements have nothing on film noir and the femme fatale: the black-and-white streetlight, the cupped hand, the click of a Zippo, the flicker of faces, the intake of breath. You want danger not as in cancer, but as in Bogart and Brando, Dietrich and Deneuve. You stand out in the parking lot with your foot on the fender of somebody’s car, a pack rolled up in your sleeve, and right then you’re Audrey Hepburn and Rizzo from Grease, you’re the Marlboro Man and the next James Dean. https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/11/09/why-do-we-smoke/ >I regret nothing. Every cigarette I’ve ever smoked was a good cigarette,” he writes—and his explanation that something physically bad for you can also be psychologically good for you. “I’ve smoked because I was glad and I’ve smoked because I was depressed. I’ve smoked out of loneliness and out of friendship, out of fear and out of exuberance. Every cigarette that I’ve ever smoked served a purpose—they were a signal, medication, a stimulant or a sedative, they were a plaything, an accessory, a fetish object, something to help pass the time, a memory aid, a communication tool or an object of meditation. https://www.wsj.com/articles/cigarettes-are-still-sublime-1484941451

>>8629 It does have some upsides, cigarettes especially become very comfy to smoke. Often when really stressed or anxious they're very effective at calming you down and clearing your head. There are better ways to accomplish these things though since cigarettes are probably some of the worst things that could exist for you but there are reasons people smoke

>>8595 Velo Berry Frost is based also Dope Ice Mango isn't bad

>>8596 All too true, there is just something about smoking. What is written in >>8629 says alot about that. But at the end of the day its filthy tasking smoke with tar that fills up your lungs, you cough and have soykaf taste in your mouth and all you get in exchange is a slight headrush that you would probably get from exercise. >>8765 This doesnt make up for the fact that its highly addictive causing anxiety when not smoking. Also not to mention the mess people make with cigarettes, one ciggy butt contaminates 60l of ground water. I got a ecig, but i havent used it in years since the battery broke and the coils are flaky too, also liquids are expensive. I had thought to make somehow a method to filter out nicotine trough water. Imo people would do a lot better if they just smoked weed instead.

>>7424 substance. dry blows away in the wind, flees your thumb while attempting to roll. tastewise is kino for rolling splifs. best is: no additives (pueblo has this), little to no pieces of uncut tobacco (pueblo has this), not dry, definitely not cut so small + so dry that it is powdery, and low in tar (unless you like heavy rolling tobacco). I smoke DRUM, which is a brand of Aldi gone general market, midrange in price but top of midrange flavor. the process of making tobacco is: harvest, sun-dry, cut, additives, toast. all but the sun-dry (to my best knowledge) steps are discernable in mass-produced tobacco. then there's rolling which is a whole other boat. I also recommend starting with rizzla blue or mascotte ultralight, so you don't habituate to lazy rolling or smoking more paper than necessary.

i dont have any weird judgement about any way of doing it and have done some research. I smoke personally, first smoked camels, then light blue spirits, then newport reds, and now marlboro reds. During various periods I also rolled my own, my favorite tobacco is bali shag. Still is despite just buying cigarettes, it has this weird musty wet dog taste I oddly really like. I also used to smoke hookah a lot as I had friends that had one, I have not done but ive seen people do this stuff called "dokha" as well. Its a super strong tobacco one friend loved, like theyd hit it out of a bong and be good for a few hours despite being a smoker. I avoided it cause I hate being nauseous, and I frequently heard nausea was a side effect. Not only did I hear it, but someone took a hut of it once thinking it was mostly weed when it was loaded with mostly dokha, and projectile vomited all over me. Was not even upset, just thought "yeah not interested". lastly, every now and then I get clove cigarettes and cigars and dont inhale them to kinda satisfy oral fixation/have a "smoke break" and get me SOME nicotine. It helps space out my actual smoke breaks when im going through some soykaf. Ive also vaped inbetween here and there. First with a juul and then now occasionally il get the disposable ones. I only really havent done any kind of oral tobacco, but I dont think theres anything wrong with it over cigarettes. In fact im bringing this up because I recently wanted to look into harm reduction regarding nicotine, on the surface all you will ever find is that vaping and oral tobacco are "just as bad". Again as a cigarette smoker, this made no sense to me considering nicotine isnt what makes tobacco dangerous. So I did a deeper dive and what I gathered is that with vaping the health risks are in fact largely known and it is still not as dangerous as cigarettes. The main danger in fact is usually that coils do misfire at some point, or get worn, and this is when the "your breathing in toxic metals!" becomes relevant. However you are breathing in far more toxic things and guaranteed every single time with cigarettes and even most "roll your own" tobacco. Its just so odd because without digging deeper the internet will literally go "vaping is JUST as bad, all smoking is bad, no nuance sorry period". Imagine any other substance being like that and how fuarrrked that would look. Like "If you do heroin its all bad so you might as well do it by slamming a dirty dull rig into your arm and shooting up". People immediately would call that soykaf out, but with nicotine its weirdly all under the surface unless its gum or patches, which by the way have like a worse success rate for quitting than AA does for curing alcoholics. And furthermore oral tobacco without a doubt is safer too. The oral cancers are far less common and also more treatable and detectable than throat or lung cancer. Mind you Il repeat, I smoke cigarettes still, im not saying any of this and I didnt look into any of this to rationalize the way I use tobacco. I objectively do it the most dangerous way, because I like having the break in my day of a smoke break too much and I also want to quit eventually. And the one downside to vapes is that I do end up consuming waaaay more nicotine because I end up doing it more often as I dont have to step outside. I imagine same for oral tobacco, but I avoid that because it seems like itd give me nausea and its not what I "grew up with" as well. However if you want to make nicotine a habit, from what I researched, vapes and smokeless tobacco options such as chew/dip/snus whatever will pose the least danger. And its not talked about openly. I dont think/care if its a conspiracy I think its mainly past anti smoking campaign success resulting in people flooding any questions asking whats the least harmful with non answers of "all bad equally". It could also be some big tobacco thing to keep people smoking cigarettes, I just again dont care and thats not my war here. Its not that its wrong that its "all bad" its just that doesnt keep anyone safer if they are already addicted to nicotine and dont plan on stopping soon. And without a doubt vapes and oral tobacco are less harmful, even if the worst of potential long term vaping side effects ends up being true.

>>8629 I think a large part of getting to stop smoking is realising that you are not in fact Audrey Hepburn or Humphrey Bogart or Heidi Lamarr, you're stood in a cloud of disgusting smelling smoke in a parking lot with yellowing fingers, and your fave screws up everytime you take a drag. Cool people that look so cool they don't actually look retarded while smoking are rare as hell and have a lot to answer for, almost no normal person looks cool smoking

>>8809 No the thing that makes you want to stop is realizing you are giving away lots of time and money on a habbit that is slowly killing you by filling your lungs with discusting fleghm that you need to spit out and also rancid flavor and breathing problems, even chest pains excessive coughing.

>>8812 to be honest it was the cost and the wet lungs in the morning for me, but I know plenty of people that still think smoking is cool/makes them look cool, I can't understand it in [current year], but its true, at least here a lot of 20-25 year olds still associate smoking with a good time, despite it being like the lowest tier drug imaginable

>>7656 Has anyone tried smoking Nicotiana alata (jasmine/sweet/Persian tobacco)? I'm buying it for decorative purposes but it would be cool if it was smokeable. Not a smoker but I want to grow the real thing but without the legal fuarrrkery.

>>8928 There generally aren't really laws restricting you growing tobacco unless you intend to sell it or give it to minors.

>>8930 Depends on the country I guess. Where I live having dried leaves alone is taxed, even without selling. By buying the innocent species used in gardening rather than tobacco production, I can avoid the taxman eyes.

>>8928 Update: I found a paper describing the substances produced by the plant. Nicotiana alata with white flowers produce almost none nicotine, plants with pink flowers produce little nicotine. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Venelina-Popova/publication/321889412_Biologically_active_and_volatile_compounds_in_leaves_and_extracts_of_Nicotiana_alata_Link_otto_from_Bulgaria/links/5a5490130f7e9bbc105a60f3/Biologically-active-and-volatile-compounds-in-leaves-and-extracts-of-Nicotiana-alata-Link-otto-from-Bulgaria.pdf

I just smoke parliaments. Been gradually smoking less. Used to roll back when it was far more economical and I was far more broke, but I got over that. I hate vapes of all kinds, idk why just don't like 'em

>>7402 More accurate than you'd think. Most drug and alcohol users who smoke will have less success with smoking cessation than with their "primary" addiction. Abysmal overall success rates which only opiates can hold a candle to. Additionally, prior to the epidemic of toxic syntha-dope, heroin was not as lethal as many made it out to be. Most deaths back in the day being newbies to the drug, weekend warriors, and relapsed (and thus unprotected by tolerance) chronic users. Compare those old death rates to the rates of cardiovascular disease, COPD, and tobacco-related cancers, and cigs don't look all that much better. Let's not forget nontrivial cancer risk facing all sorts of people in proximity to cigarette smoke, and now we're talking about a drug which literally produces a *hazardous environment*. Hate to fulfill the age old stereotype of ex-smoker's fervor, but my teeth ain't no choir boy's if you get what I'm after.

>>7728 Roll it tight but not too tight. You're using rolling tobacco, not pipe tobacco, right?

Having nearly died from smoking tobacco, I highly recommend staying away from smoking. Every once in awhile I have to ingest nicotine so this is what I've determined the safest method. I prefer On! nicotine pouches. It's just nicotine salts with flavored starch. There isn't even a California cancer warning on it. If you go looking for pouches watch out for cancer warnings.

I started smoking with 13, had several phases of smoking, finally dropped it in college, after I developed some kinda intolerance to it (had to puke, even if I dragged only once). Tried vape, for the ritualistic vibe, didn't quite enjoy it. I'm going to try snus, since it trickled into my country, and I kinda miss the buzz and the comfyness of consuming tobacco. Will write how it went.

>>7656 What's your favorite brand of rolling tobacco? Looking for something to put in my joints.

>>9365 OK holy soykaf, I just tried it, here's how it went: I didn't use nicotine for about three years, and I picked a snus that is, as the vendor told me, "a bit on the lighter side". I put it in, went for a short, relaxed walk. For the first twenty minutes, it went well, I had a nice, strong buzz, walked slowly, got home, and then soykaf went down the drain real fast. Sweating, nausea, shakiness, typical symptoms of nicotine poisoning. Had to vomit after approx. 35 minutes after putting in the pouch, which I took out at the 25 minute mark. Still shaky 45 minutes after removal, started even though I started drinking water immediately after coming home. Had to lay down for 2 hours, before the shakiness went away. Body temperature normalized 150 minutes after removal. My conclusion: I have a strong intolerance for nicotine, and probably cannot ingest it in any dose. Guess I drop it completely, at least I still got booze.

>>9377 >>9365 Yeah nicottine is a soykaf drug to be honest, its amazing how much it fuarrrks you up, but we dont really notice anymore. >Had to lay down for 2 hours Had that soykaf when i for the first and last time tried cigars. Has anyone tried tobacco tea? I know its very strong even potentially deadly, as evidenced by >>9377. Im down to one smoke per day, i smoke pipe but its rancid even when i clean it properly. Need to quit this before it kills me too, its not worth the little buzz and tastes like rotten horse ass to be honest.

Habitual juul use, I stop but find myself relapsing.

sublingual nicotine while reading or studying is the only time and way I use it.

>>7378 >How do you manage to not get addicted? I dont.

I been using pipe tobacco with the pax 2 recently and it's pretty good, one of the best methods for me (used to smoke cigs, ryo, e-cig). The only negative thing is that I'm smoking a lot, so i get a lot of cravings. At least I breath better than while smoking ryo. Now I'm smoking a Davidoff scottish mixture

Nicotine patches, Huperzine A and extended release Melatonin to induce vivid lucid dreams and dream recall. Any media I watch while going to sleep will be the subject of my dreams 90% of the time.