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How safe is buying drugs off TOR? Any experiences?

>>6456 In North America specifically. Forgot to add that.

US lainon here. I've bought drugs off tor marketplaces for a while now. Here is a very simplified guide to buying drugs: 1. Install TAILS on a usb drive and use it on a burner/different laptop 2. Find a way to obtain monero anonymously. Localmonero is good. Follow guides on dread's /d/monero to use monero on tails. 3. Find a reputable market. Use dark.fail. Make an account on said market. Send monero to market (or not if it's a DD). 4. Find a reputable US DOMESTIC vendor. Someone with at least a thousand positive reviews for your first purchase. Import ur vendor's pgp key and encrypt your shipping details to them. Place order. 5. Get drugs in mail. Wait a few days before opening package. Don't have any drugs/illegal stuff at mail drop. 6. Test your drugs. Buy a test kit online, they're cheap. If you want more specifics pls ama.

>Noooo why did The_Man remove muh right to privacy! >I had nothing to hide except the illegal things!

Quite safe if you're careful about it, as long as you use monero instead of bitcoin, pick domestic sellers with a lot of feedback, pgp encryption with your address

>>6464 It's nobody's business what substances i choose to put in my body. Even more innocuous than torrenting a movie

>>6466 >I don't care if I use a tool that should be used by human rights activists and people under oppressive governments to fuel drug cartel economies who exploit and kill people >That's even more innocuous than destroying culture and consolidating it in the hands of megacorps who turned it into propaganda and advertising good job, you are truly a freedom fighter

>>6467 The war on drugs causes those bad things, not my personal choice to use drugs. Everyone that uses Tor only strengthens the network anyway. Activists and those under oppressive governments are better off having some unimportant plebs buying weed to increase their anonymity set

>>6468 >Everyone that uses Tor only strengthens the network anyway. I used to use Tor just for that but it turns out I don't want to strengthen a network that is used mostly to break the law. This is what has driven me off most of the "privacy" talk, it's just a cover up for illegal activities. You DO have something to hide, and you are putting surveillance agents in the right. I don't want to have a hand in your petty scheme. Breaking the law makes things worse for everyone. You can protest so the laws are changed while acting responsibly instead of vandalizing the right to privacy and freedom like a defiant teenager. Anyway keep talking about buying drugs with Tor while LARPing as cyberwarriors.

>>6469 The law doesnt define what is right or wrong. You talk about human rights activists and those under oppressive governments - they are doing illegal activity too. You can't justify drawing a magic line based on your personal feelings and criticise me for having a different line. Civil disobedience has always been a part of cypherpunk ideology and is a valid way to fight against what one can consider to be immoral laws. The people's persistence in showing that the war on drugs does not work has contributed to the wave of legalisation that has just begun. You're going completely off-topic from the OP anyway, mods should just delete these posts. Nobody said anything about being a moral privacy warrior in this thread.

>>6469 >You DO have something to hide Let the door of your house unlocked forever.

>>6471 But I actually have nothing to hide. I have zero illegal bytes of data on my machine or my house, I don't torrent,I don't even watch porn. The worst I do is post on imageboards like this one, which I admit I'm increasingly ashamed about. I care about privacy but this cause feels like a joke when literally everyone else is spouting the babble I believe in only to cover up for something illegal.

>>6472 I reported CP on here for the first time last week. Sure you don't have that thumbnail in your cache?

>>6473 No and this half-assed attempt at a comeback is just sad. I seem to be the only retard who actually wants privacy for the sake of privacy and I just don't want to be spied on by corporations. You are the ones who claim this but at the same time use Tor to buy drugs. Every platform that says it's "private" is filled to the brim with people who have a foot or both into this side of the internet. You are the ones that one day will force me to "keep my door unlocked" even if I have nothing to hide. How can you even pretend for a second you are in the right? Your hypocrisy is beyond belief.

>>6474 You are not alone in this dissapointment.

>>6474 i don't necessarily disagree with you (entirely) but what do you actually think the way forward is? it seems inevitable that in a society where privacy is difficult to come by the few dark corners will be filled with people who have an actual practical need for it, somewhat marginalizing those who, like you, are there for purely ideological reasons. the solution would then be to try to make privacy the norm so that the criminals and antisocials do not invade every space we create. i don't really know how to do this but simply making as many privacy-respecting options as you can seems to be a step in the right direction.

>>6474 Answer >>6470

>>6463 Why wait a few days before opening the package? Does it really matter when you open it.

>>6477 >i don't necessarily disagree with you (entirely) but what do you actually think the way forward is? Behaving ethically in an ethical movement? Using privacy tools while actually having nothing to hide is a good start. If you prefer to use privacy tools to do illegal things then stop pretending you support the right to privacy. Lying only fuels the assumption that people who care about privacy have something to hide, so you are actively damaging people who are actually moved by ethical motives. Of course I'm not going to complain with a drug trafficker who uses Tor to sell drugs, but when in a privacy-centric environment like this people do the same it makes me upset. People who use this stuff in the name of privacy alone should act responsibly.

>>6481 I don't understand at all why you think it is mutually exclusive - that to care about privacy you must also have nothing to hide. Completely makes no sense. >Behaving ethically in an ethical movement? To me that requires breaking laws.

>>6478 >>6470 Civil disobedience was engineered by, or has played right into the hands of the powerful since the last century, so I don't know why you pride yourself of it. It's happening right now with protests that are inflated to create a race war where there should be a class war. You just want to buy drugs, you don't really care about "civil disobedience", which isn't even synonymous of criminal activity but maybe unlawful activism. Where's the activism in buying drugs and getting soykaffaced? Just like people stole $3 content and drove independent authors into the ground with torrents but always acted like they were stealing from EA or Sony. Guess what, now nothing's independent, it's all owned by those corps you were doing all that damage to. So much for your civil disobedience. This is not the attitude of someone who wants to escape this situation, you're just a poor quality, nonpaying consumer.

This guy is purposely derailing the thread because he doesn't like people buying drugs. Mods should clean up the thread

>>6482 >I don't understand at all why you think it is mutually exclusive - that to care about privacy you must also have nothing to hide. I dare you to support your right to privacy with "I just want to get away with crime" >To me that requires breaking laws. You're not breaking the law for ethical causes. You're breaking the law because you want to do drugs. Stop lying, jesus christ. I am not asking you to stop buying and doing drugs, just stop this joke that you're doing it for "privacy". You're like a vegan who wants all the clout of activism while chomping on a fuarrrking CrispyMcBacon, you're not just a soykafty example of someone who cares about the cause, you're actually harming a movement you don't really care about.

>>6484 Sorry for reminding you that you're a hypocrite. I'll stop posting, if someone else derails it's not me.

>>6485 Say we swap enjoying drugs with being gay. A man in Saudi Arabia wants to spoon his boyfriend in the privacy of his home. Because he enjoys it. It doesn't harm anyone and is nobody else's business, but arabs will say it undermines the fabric of society and other weird soykaf. Naturally he acquires a realisation of the importance of privacy and feels that it's his obligation to not give into oppression, so he is a privacy advocate and gay rights activist that breaks the law. To me this is a very apt analogy

I take a soykaf with the door closed all the time, I really don't see the need to argue why people need privacy. Psychologically, the effects of the knowledge that you could be monitored at all times can be very harmful.

>>6467 >prohibition >booze becomes illegal >criminals now make millions >unlift the ban >ban (most) drugs >(most) drugs become illegal >criminals now have a monopoly on (most) drugs >hurr durr stop fueling crime

>>6474 not him but, how can a human being be this full of soykaf lmao >everyone that cares about privacy is only doing so to hide their illegal actions >except me fuarrrk you lol >breaking the law by buying drugs online because your oppressive government thinks it is their place to dictate what you can consume is morally wrong >breaking the law by using tor because your oppressive government thinks it is their place to dictate your internet usage or if you are allowed to take dicks up your ass is morally correct how many lightyears are your head up your own ass? >your hipocrisy is beyond belief I am starting to suspect this is satire >people buying drugs on the internet forced to keep your door open even if you have nothing to hide it is this retarded mindset that gives away power and fuarrrks things up for everyone The governments and their retarded laws are the problem here, anon. The government is the party that stepped out of place, both with the drug laws and how they don't respect privacy. Your door isn't being forced open because I buy weed on the interwebz, your door is being forced open because your government wants an inappropriate level of control over what you see and do. The drugs are a convenient excuse (I thought they all jumped onto the cp train doe, at least one can make arguments as to why cp is morally wrong) Now I may have gotten a tiny bit emotional up there, but you seem to be primarily upset about people pretending to care about the privacy ideology when really they just want to buy drugs, but there is something to understand here anon. There are overlapping points. I should be free to buy and take whatever drugs I want. I should be free of governments and corporations spying on me. I should be free of governments and corporations spying on what drugs I buy and eat. Privacy and freedom goes together. >>6485 >You are not breaking the law for ethical causes But it is not the government's place to dictate what I consume, so in a way, using the freedom I should have, is breaking the law for ethical reasons. I am not going to try and convince people all around my country to go and protest so the government hopefully cares and I can legally smoke weed somewhere within the next 50 years. As this anon >>6487 also explained, it is the government who is imposing on freedom. It requires a ridiculous amount of effort and time for governments to change stupid laws, even more so when it means they would be giving up control. Most people simply do not have time to start movements big enough to result in change, does that mean they should simply give up their rights?

>>6479 >Why wait a few days before opening the package? Does it really matter when you open it. Hypothetically speaking, by having a clean drop where you have the package sit a few days before it's opened, you produce a better case of plausible deniability. In the case that after the package is delivered the drop is raided by glowies, you can plead the fifth and have your case dropped once they figure they can't coerce an admission out of you. The drop NEEDS to be clean before, during and after the package arrives in order to prevent avenues in which LE can coerce admission.

>>6534 That makes sense thank you, by clean drop do you mean having them delivered to somewhere outside of your home/work that isn't linked to illegal activity?

>buying drugs shipped over mail to your home address (don't worry, it's PGP encrypted xD) Do Americans really?

>>6549 more Europeans than you may think, bruv unless you do something retarded it's pretty low risk

>>6550 Not when police busts the vendor and he gives up all his customers.

>>6544 >having them delivered to somewhere outside of your home/work that isn't linked to illegal activity Well ordering it to your work is downright stupid. You can order to your own address. By clean drop I mean that whatever place you send your drugs to, there isn't anything illegal there. For example, if you have an eighth of pot at your house and have drugs shipped there, you're at risk of getting raided and being charged for the pot. Not to mention that if you're ordering it to a friend's house, if they get hit with charges for whatever reason they're more likely to be flipped by LE. TL;DR: Don't have illegal stuff like drugs at places you order drugs to.

>>6552 >Not when police busts the vendor and he gives up all his customers. This is important to note. The vendor needs to rotate their public keys ever so often (3 months is what TMG requires) in order to sustain forward secrecy.

>>6552 typically a vendor will delete all customer data periodically. If it came out that a vendor didn't do that their reputation would be permanently ruined. Almost all drug busts on the darknet are because of the market, buyers being retarded, or vendors being retarded. Very rarely do people do everything right and still get caught(although it does happen). >>6554 this is just basic PGP usage.

>>6555 >typically a vendor will delete all customer data periodically. Yeah, sure they will. They need to have something to lower their sentence in case of accidental bust you know. They might as well give up all the fat buyers for further police investigation. >customer reviews and reputation on completely anonymous network where identities are changed faster than masks in coronavirus ward (epic current events reference for my redditor friends out there) >exchanging PGP-encrypted messages like some freetard from 1998 when XMPP with OMEMO exists >ordering drugs over mail that gets tracked by government, scanned with X-rays and tested against gas and particle sensors, just plain dogs I'm not sure how come Western Civilization is so incapable on such basic practices. Is it too hard for your vendors to hire a bunch of high school kids/niggers/hobos who will work as runners stashing the dough in inconspicuous locations for anonymous pick up, dead drop style? That way both the vendor's, the courier's and buyer's identities are protected against each other unless one of them gets busted with the stuff on them. Is it some special toponymic property of your urban areas that allows both live dealers around the kindergarten's corner and email deliveries flourish right under police noses, and everyone overlooks a very robust anonymous exchange method invented thousands of years ago?

>>6553 Thank you. Sorry if these questions are a bit on the stupid side, I've genuinely never done this kind of thing before.

>>6557 >Yeah, sure they will. They need to have something to lower their sentence in case of accidental bust you know. They might as well give up all the fat buyers for further police investigation. eh, sure, I mean if you're a "fat buyer" they'll probably remember your address(es) anyway. >>customer reviews and reputation on completely anonymous network where identities are changed faster than masks in coronavirus ward they're really not... most well-established vendors have been around for years. They're not "completely anonymous", they are pseudo-anonymous. Anyway, if someone has built up a reputation for 6 months that's long enough for me to trust them. Basically, compare it to buying drugs offline. Do you really think that's safer? Your identity is very much up for grabs in that situation, you can just as easily be scammed, and you can just as easily be picked up by cops. >>exchanging PGP-encrypted messages like some freetard from 1998 when XMPP with OMEMO exists XMPP is synchronous which makes timing attacks easier. >I'm not sure how come Western Civilization is so incapable on such basic practices. Is it too hard for your vendors to hire a bunch of high school kids/niggers/hobos who will work as runners stashing the dough in inconspicuous locations for anonymous pick up, dead drop style? that is done sometimes. But then you have to ask: what if the vendor is pressed to give up the drop location? What if the runners get caught for something else and rat you out? How about buyers in rural areas?

>>6564 There are hundreds of buyers picking up "stuff" in an area where each runner hides it, every buyer is anonymous to the seller, even if marketplace interface requires pseudonyms and purchase history for leaving feedback, it is in no way as compromising as a seller who knows what address you ordered it to. It is safer and easier to buy completely anonymously than to obtain a mailbox or order things straight home. >vendor is pressed to give up the drop location Individual small size drops are not as important to police as a regular buyer with long history, when busting him they might find other drugs on him as well, a random dead drop with anonymous recipient can not tell anything about person who comes to pick it up. >What if the runners get caught for something else and rat you out They will not rat you out because they receive the bulk amount of goods in same way an end buyer receives it: dead drop location. A runner can be ratted out by the vendor on the other hand, but since most of them are underage or lost people, they have nothing to lose already, plus they get paid well for the risk. It's cleaner job than being old-style street pusher. Geocaching with benefits. >How about buyers in rural areas? They have cars, don't they? Otherwise, they usually grow weed in backyard already, and other drugs don't mix well with rural lifestyle.

>>6565 > and other drugs don't mix well with rural lifestyle. You are a strange person

>>6463 I know this thread is derailed by now but if you're still there can you point one in the direction of some resources/guides?

>>6634 Yes. We can. But don't trust us. And don't limit your knowledge to what we tell you. Instead, try doing a basic web search. Use multiple search engines. (You'll probably want to find good TOR search engines first.)

I bought thousands of dollars worth of drugs from the darkweb and i think its great. Its not perfect, got scammed a few times and a was package seized by customs but i dont live in a "war-on-drugs" failed-state so all i got was a letter. Buying drugs online is the way of the future and i cant recommend it enough.

>>6634 >>6671 check out dark.fail and dread

theres plenty of websites that sell 'research chemicals' legally, i use eurochems in europe, but there are others in north america

Can you have drugs shipped to a PO box? What do I do if I don't have a home address I can have them shipped to?

>>6793 This has been on my mind lately too. I know there is a lot of variance and specifics to consider, but perhaps some lains can supply infos for europeans.

>>6456 I only bought off vendors in my country. Always got what I ordered, quality differs between vendors, but once you got a good vendor, you won't change.

fuarrrk well now I'm tempted to just bite the bullet.

>>6793 >Can you have drugs shipped to a PO box? No, PO boxes are not 'public' per say, like a home address. If you order it to a home address, anyone could have sent it there, whereas with a PO box you have less plausible deniability that someone else sent it. >What do I do if I don't have a home address I can have them shipped to? Try to find a friend. Someone you trust who will listen to you. They basically need to understand they need to plead the fifth and play dumb if they get v&. They shouldn't have anything illegal at their address either, as that can be used by the cops to coerce a confession.