Nicotine Cessation

Hey Lains, I'm trying to quit tobacco but everything I try gets me more addicted. I tried vaping, and my addiction only got worse. I tried nicotine patches, but felt terrible withdrawals due to my nicotine usage having been so high beforehand. The withdrawals gave me tachycardia and heart palpitations. I'm looking for a drug that will allow me to quit cold turkey without adding more nicotine to the mix, because it's not just smoking that I want to quit. I want to quit nicotine entirely. It would help if the drug was not something that substituted nicotine dependency for another dependency (antidepressants, etc.) I only intend to take this drug for a few weeks. Norepinephrine isn't an option. It creates a dependency. Last time I came off of it, I felt like my dog had died for a week or two. My hopes are that this thread helps not just myself, but anyone who is looking to nuke their nicotine addiction from orbit.

don't go cold turkey just little by little limit your intake and take note to number of ciggies you smoke daily

>>4586 I am not looking to wean, I am looking to quit cold turkey without withdrawals. Nothing else is an option. Tapering gives me tachycardia and heart palpitations. After 4 hours of not smoking I felt like I was having a heart attack.

>>4587 That's actually a common thing, and it's completely fine. You're having a PANIC attack. Quitting cigarettes does not lead to heart attacks. But a panic attack can feel pretty fuarrrking scary so I'm not going to soykaf on you for thinking you were having real physical problems. But the idea that you want to just stop, but have panic attacks when you do just stop all together I would say that you shouldn't do that. It will only give you a lot of stress and in some cases lead to some pretty bad thoughts in some people. I haven't smoked in years, but I do use snus and now nicotine pouches. They are pretty good, get a really good nicotine high, my lungs are really good, and it just got labelled as the safest way to use nicotine by the US government. In Sweden they've known for years that snus is much better and much safer than cigs. You can keep trying to do the cold turkey thing, but more than likely you'll fail. It's no slight against you, just the logical conclusion if you fear going without it even for a couple hours. I'd try out an alternative that doesn't require putting something into your lungs. Also a bonus tip, that pain you are feeling in your chest after a few hours of not vaping or smoking, that's not a heart attack, that's your lungs and how they feel on a regular basis. Nicotine smoke/vapor numbs the pain so you do not feel it if you keep smoking. That pain is your lungs trying to heal themselves.

>>4589 Do you think that it would be easier to wean off of snus, since the delivery is more drawn out and lasts longer? I do realize that I was having a panic attack and that my heart was fine, I suffer from arhythmia and any large amount of stress causes those symptoms in me. What are some brands of snus/dip/pouch that you recommend? The hardest part of quitting has been the anxiety; I'm not addicted to the motion/habit of putting a cigarette in my mouth. I'm willing to let my lungs heal, because god knows that they need it.

>>4591 If you're in the US, General is pretty much the best. Just look up General Snus and you should find the company site which has a store locator if you want to use that. Zyn is made by the same parent company Swedish Match, but those are nicotine pouches. Nicotine pouches are like snus without the tobacco. They extract the nicotine and then put it on a fabric material, usually eucalyptus. I might even suggest looking into Zyn more since it doesn't have a strong taste which snus usually does. So if you like a black coffee for the flavor then you might also like regular non flavored snus or else you might be put off from it. I don't recommend regular dip like Kodiac and I think Grizzly is another brand. Dip is supposed to be safer than smoking but it hasn't been labelled as safer like snus has. I'll warn you though, there is a sweet spot for leaving nicotine completely, as there is a point where you'll start to like snus and nicotine pouches, meaning you won't quit and instead keep using a nicotine product. I am a regular user of both, and I probably won't stop. You are ten times healthier than you were when smoking and you can still get a great nicotine boost throughout the day. So I don't recommend if you feel like nicotine shouldn't be in your life.

Cytisine has been shown to be more effective than nicotine replacement therapy. It was discovered in WWII by Soviets smoking a tree because they had a tobacco shortage and various soldiers found they craved less. Another thing you can do is use NAC. There are many studies on NAC and reducing cravings of drugs not just nicotine but meth and cocaine too.

>>4592 I got this from QuikTrip >>4594 I'll get some NAC off the clearnet since it's legal.

if nicotine withdrawals are anything like opioid withdrawals just take a fuarrrktonne of l theanine

>>4595 Cytisine is legal too I think. It's sold in Eastern Europe as Tabex. It was going to be sold in the US as Extab but no one wanted to because there is no proffit for it due to how it can't be copyrighted being a natural based product. It effects similar receptors as nicotine. If you do not want that then theoretically Alpha GPC should help reduce withdrawl symptoms because it activates the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors as well which can be used along side the NAC. NACA is safer than NAC since smaller doses are required due to more potency but I have yet to find a source for it on the market that didn't charge insane prices.

I haven't quit but i've found it's mostly (of course) mental. I did quit once years ago and didn't even want to smoke but i was in a very stressfull and busy situation. The times i've tried to quit since i get cravings in cycles. You get past the craving when you quit thinking about it until the next one comes. And if you're like me eventually during one of those you will think >screw it i don't want to quit, i like it to much. Every time you make it past one of these episodes it becomes easier. If you can come up with a habit to replace your smoking sessions and take your mind off the craving i think that is the best way. That and maintain your convictions, don't let your brain play tricks on you. I haven't had any luck with tapering but it probably depends on the person. I want to think about it as little as possible. Other people say marking your progress is a good tactic. Thing with smoking alternatives is you just become adapted to those instead imo.

Thanks for the suggestions in this thread, I've been dipping for 7 years now so I my cravings are different than the ciggy smokers I suppose. Will be using some good boy points to order tobacco free nicotine chew, $4 a can beats the torture prices we have here in NYC ($10-$12). Stuff is called fully loaded chew, seems like its a way better than the herbal snuff that I've seen around.

>>4587 >After 4 hours of not smoking I felt like I was having a heart attack. I'm guessing that, usually, you smoke more often than only once every 4 hours. If that's the case, going almost 4 hours (i.e. not quite to the point where you experience those symptoms) is an improvement. Perhaps, after a while, you'll be able to reduce your nicotine intake further. You might try reducing the nicotine dosage. e.g. if, presently, you smoke a whole cigarrette, you might try smoking almost a whole cigarette, i.e. leaving a tiny bit of tobbacco at the end (if you're stingy, you can shake those leftovers into a little baggy or into the cigarrette box, and roll them together when there's enough; or, if you have a pipe (only if you have a pipe---I'm not encouraging you to purchase paraphernalia, because you're trying to quit), you can just use the pipe to, later, smoke the leftovers); if, presently, you smoke almost (as previously described) a whole cigarette, you might try smoking only a (e.g. 5/6, 4/5,,---however much you determine is reasonable) part of a cigarrette. >>4589 >That pain is your lungs trying to heal themselves. Not really. The pain is your lungs being damaged. I'm not sure whether lungs do self-repair, or how good that process is. >>4597 Not everyone is so courteous as to notify everyone (except the stupidest) of such intellectual features. For this, you I'd like to thank. My appreciation of this act, and, therefore, of you, is so great that I have notified my associates at the royal house of nigeria, and they are eager to work with you. They shall send you an email soon. (Recently, they have had problems with email, so be sure to check your ``junk'' directory.) >NACA is safer than NAC since smaller doses are required [sic.] due to more [sic.] potency but I have yet to find a source for it on the market that didn't charge insane [sic.] prices. Diamorphine is safer than morphine because, due to higher potency, smaller doses are sufficient for the same effect; I have yet to find. on the market. an insanely low-priced source for it. >[Cytisine] was going to be sold in the US as Extab but no one wanted to because there is no proffit [sic.] for it due to how it can't be copyrighted [sic.] being a natural based product Nicotine was going to be sold in the US as CoolSmoxe, but noöne was going to sell it in the US, because, due to, being a natural substance, it's unpatentibility, there is no profit from it.

>>4587 1) Always remind yourself that smoking means you're paying money to poison yourself. 2) Do not think of quitting as depriving yourself of something, you are freeing yourself of something. 3) Every day, once a day, give yourself a gift. You don't have to find a replacement addiction but this little reward, especially if smoking is a ritual e.g. after lunch, is a key ingredient to quitting. 4) Avoid hanging out with other smokers when they smoke. If your friends are bothered by your decision and pressure you to smoke, they are not friends and you should discard them. 5) Make simple math: cost of a pack x packs you smoke a year, enjoy the idea of having that much extra money for things you like. 6) Take it seriously, you're quitting a drug. 7) It will not be as soykafty after the first months.

>>5587 Cytisine is what was used as the research base for varenicline (Chantix) and it doesn't have the suicidal ideation side effect varenicline has. NAC isn't comparable to morphine. The only reported case of someone dying from NAC I have found as of yet was from injection for treatment of paracematol overdose and it was with an asthmatic woman. I'm talking the over the counter pills you can get at any store. NACA isn't comparable to diamorphine. NACA converts to NAC in the body. It's a prodrug and as I said it's not even something you can get ahold of. Diamorphine doesn't turn into morphine so it acts as it's own drug not a prodrug. NAC itself converts to glutathione which is naturally present in the body while morphine and diamorphine acts on receptors directly. Diamorphine has a different effect from morphine due to how it interacts with receptors different while NACA and NACs difference is primarily thought to be due to distribution of the drug through the body not a completely unique effect. Though yes NACA can't be assumed ti be totally innert from it's own unique action with unique possible side effects without more studies on NACA but as I mentioned several times by now it's not available so they point was never to try it but for Lains to be aware of it and keep an eye on the studies of this developing drug and it's various potential uses because it may be superior to NAC for the effects on the brain.

>>4585 Find an another more healthy vice to replace it with. Alternatively quarantine should help you with quitting. Set a goal of not smoking home/think about your neighbors and try to be more considerate for the moment. I quit a month and a half ago and the cravings came back only just recently. I really enjoy being able to smell subtle smells like the laundry detergent off washed shirts, spring blooms and such. Smoking goes hand in hand with a negative mindset in my opinion. Try thinking positively also.

>>5587 >>5725 Correction diamorphine is a prodrug for morphine. What I meant to say was it doesn't seem to be just that as it's action. I have been sleep deprived so I am wording myself horribly.

Consider reading Allen Carr's Easy Way To Stop Smoking. It helped me to stop from smoking 60 cigs a day.

>>5729 >Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking I was also going to recommend this. I know what you're thinking: "it's just a self-help book. How could it possibly do what drugs couldn't?" Well, this particular self-help book has been credited by many ex-smokers with being an effective cessation aid. Carr goes down the list of popular excuses for not quitting and delusions associated with smoking and dismantles them, leaving you with a clearer perspective on what your problem is and how to change your behavior. I'm sure it doesn't work for everyone, but I think it's worth a try. Interestingly enough, Carr's system demands a cold turkey approach, btw., but it gives you a more solid psychological foundation for that approach.

>>4585 i stoped smoking nicotine like 1.5 years ago, the only method that worked for me was cold turkey, you are gonna feel like soykaf for some weeks, maybe months, but just cope and go through it with sheer willpower

C B D Cannabidiol My suggestion is RSO from Lazarus naturals I took aprox 4 drops * three times daily for a week, quit, and took more CBD for a week, and though I got the typical increase in moodiness and low feeling, I was just gone cold turkey. That was about 2 months ago, and before that I quit with CBD and I lasted about 4 months. First of all, cold turkey is THE WAY as long as you can keep yourself alive. And second, you can do it!

Im trying the same using weed vape and lyrica to get through it

gradually went from 5-10 cigs a day to 2 per day and finally quit cold turkey 4 months ago. I got a craving a month ago, but the cig tasted like soykaf and i couldn't even finish it, even though it was my fav brand. I know I wasn't that deep in, but still. we're all gonna make it, lads.