Dopamine Antagonists, Addiction, and Inducing Depression

If dopamine rushes are behind so many addictions (cigarette smoking, porn, etc.), can dopamine antagonists be used to break the cycle? Further, could the same chemicals be used to induce depression, were one inclined to do so? If not, what are some chemical options that might realistically produce these effects? Also, are there any legal, freely available (over the counter or through the mail) dopamine antagonists or functional equivalents?

ITT: Dopamine junkies

>>2900 It's more complicated than just a dopamine rush. Nicotine is addictive because it binds to one of your nicotine receptors in your brain. A pure dopamine rush would make you an autistic af. That's why amphetamine addicts used to be called motorheads. It's more a combination of dopamine and serotonin release/reuptake agents.

I have seen a tutorial by some anon on /p0l/ (yea, I know) which said that he went into depth of exploring how brain reward system works. And even though I didn't download the picture I have read it and it seemed logical. To "reset" your brain patterns you need to exert a huge HUGE amount of effort to get it back into working order. Do not listen to music. Do not browse internet without a goal (job, school...). Have little to no social interactions. Eat when hungry. Drink and eat low carb (possibly keto diet). Do chores you would like to rewire your brain to, make yourself useful. When idling (ie nothing to do) do not let your mind wander into dayfreaming about future or past. Just be kind of like a blank canvas for a week and your will regain control of your reward centre of brain and you could rewire it in a new way where you would make things that you want more pleasurable than your last addictions. I tried 1 day of this and it was pure hell. Just doing chores I wouldn't normally do. Not listening to music and not daydreaming was like you put me in mental prison.

>>2910 That's almost how my day to day routine works. Weirdly enough drugs aren't really addictive for me. I even stopped smoking just because how pointless it was

>>2908 I don't know much about this, but it looks like activation of the nicotine receptor basically just releases dopamine, so this objection doesn't seem fatal to my theory. I don't know what sort of substance works against the serotonin problem, as googling "serotonin antagonist" gave me antidepressants, which was the opposite of what I expected, but let's say we shut down dopamine and serotonin (somehow). Then does it work?

Habits continue after you remove the reward. it won't work

As Buckminster Fuller put it: You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.

In my general opinion and experience dopamine has almost nothing to do with depression, and rather it's the lack of motivation and drive on the level thats typically expected of us in this society that causes dopamine related depression. If this was a simple hunter gatherer society for example I doubt id be depressed because I have enough drive to get food and such. Its the fact that more is expected of us. Something interesting to think about, you can forget to eat when on drugs until you are actually in pain from hunger because food isnt that rewarding compared to what your getting from the drug and this isnt a sad thing to you when its happening. Dopamine can induce feelings of happiness but a lack of dopamine doesnt seem to me to inherently induce feelings of depression. Serotonin on the other hand does seem to directly correlate to depression and happiness. However its a much more complicated thing. Its also not the only thing and neither is dopamine. Cannibinoids also regulate mood, and work on their own distinct system.

>>2910 A way smaller equivalent of this for me is going to the Faculty of Sciences library and reading. It's one of those real libraries where you walk into a space with 50 people and don't hear a single spoken word in an hour. I can't just stare off into space because I'm surrounded by people who would find that weird, and I turn off wifi on my phone so it can't distract me. In just twenty minutes, the dead boring, dense and dry math suddenly becomes readable, and somewhat enjoyable. To be honest, I was never really concerned with my privacy. I was aware that people and things are watching me, often providing relevant insights about me that I wouldn't have figured out so easily from my point of view. The only problem was me doing things they didn't like, then I had to make sure my parents or relevant adults didn't see it. In school, other kids would make fun of me if I did something weird or lame so now I had to hide different things from different communities. I understand that the police is even worse than kids in school or parents, can annoy me tremendously and are very good at seeing. So far I described things that most people would agree with: don't annoy me, don't take away my peace and quiet. Hence most people avoid publicly doing things that would cause them annoyance later on. But most people don't avoid Google because unlike kids in school or the police, Google only takes your privacy but respects your peace and quiet. Sure, the police might force Google to get info on you; hackers might get huge chunks of your personal info if a breach happens. But that's a problem with police and hackers trying to fuarrrk up your peace and quiet, having Google around without those people abusing it wouldn't cause that kind of harm. Some people are paranoid about their peace and quiet so they prepare for the worst and preemptively prevent losing it, while most don't take steps until a first offense happens My overall point is thus: privacy isn't a real value, it's the peace and quiet that lets you reflect, study hard math, and just be yourself without fear of the environment. If you're a strong enough entity to protect your peace and quiet against things that know you, privacy is pointless. If you're okay with losing your peace and quiet and going for a chaos ride, you're free.

>>2910 >When idling (ie nothing to do) do not let your mind wander into dayfreaming about future or past. Just be kind of like a blank canvas That's called meditation.