research chems: worth trying?

I've been reading up about research chems, particularly the LAD and the 4-Aco family of drugs, and they seem very interesting, but I am confident in my ability to safely order personal amounts of cheap high-quality classical psychedelics over tor. I don't really use these drugs for experimental purposes, I use them to expand my mind or just have a good time. LSD and shrooms are tried and true, and I am definitely going to try freebase DMT at least once. So I guess my question is, should I even bother with research chems? I've read all kinds of different trip reports, and ETH-LAD and DPT sound very interesting indeed, and apparently 4-Aco-DMT is like a better version of mushrooms. Is it worth it to look into these new drugs, or should I just stick to the classics? Also, general psychedelic RC discussion. What's your favorite? Your least favorite? I wanna hear!

>>2372 I've dropped 1P-LSD several times and it was pretty good. iirc almost every RC from lysergic acid family is almost as safe as LSD-25. I'm kinda done with psychedelic for now. I was taking it to see or it could help change my mental image, but it didn't really work out. Only hard work and amphetamine does seem to work :/ >should I bother with research chems Sure, the classical ones are often impure and overpriced. Just don't do the new kinds that aren't yet researched properly.

>>2372 I tried 1P-LSD a couple of times and it was really great. I tried insufflated DPT once and it's definitely worth trying. I'm planning on doing more soon. Planning on trying Al-LAD soon. I wanna try DPT and NOS soon too.

>>2394 How much did you pay for it? Like it's pretty damn expensive here to be honest Cheapest I could found it was 13 euro for 2 100mcg blotters. I'm talking about 1P BTW Street LSD costs here aroud 3 to 5 euros per blotterbut I don't know any street dealers

>>2398 if you're in Europe you should just buy L online, it's cheap as hell and low-risk.

>>2398 It cost me 8$ CAD per 100ug tab of 1P but I ordered it from a Canadian RC vendor (theindoleshop) so they might not ship to Europe.

4-aco-dmt is great. Like a much more easily dosed and measured mushrooms. 2C-B apparently "graduated" from being a research chemical but is also a great time. 2C-B is good in lower doses, I was using it as an alcohol replacement at parties for a little while. 5-meo-mipt was also neat the time I gave it a try.

I just railed two 50mg lines of DPT. That soykaf was damn bonkers... I was lost in various different layers of perception, I didn't even know who I was anymore, I tried to think really hard about my past experiences to stay aware of my own self. After my grasp of reality vanished about 30-60 minutes into the trip I was basically sucked into a stream of visions and various surreal landscapes and alien beings all wrapped together in an epic experience. It was very intense. DPT does have that cold vibe, but in a cool sense and the experience is perfectly enjoyable. It's definitely not like any regular bad trip on acid. I recommend it to anyone who's done LSD and wants an even more exquisite and unusual trip into the fantastical realms of their own imagination.

>>2404 >>2394 i have DPT in HCl. Should i smoke it? Sniff it? Maybe per rectum?

>>2405 I tried it once and sniffed 75mg. Burns the nose even more than any ketamine I've tried. From the trip reports I saw, smoking it is much worse than smoking DMT so I'd recommend sniffing it. I wouldn't want to imagine boofing it. >>2404 Are higher doses worth it? I'm thinking of going in the 150-200mg range next time.

>>2405 So you either: >freebase that hcl and smoke it like DMT >Up the nose: it burns quite bad but is manageable. Insufflate it gently and it won't be so bad >rectal: anecdotal evidence suggests that it works nicely. Still not my cup of tea as i rather have an ichy nose than to be sticking soykaf in my ass >IM/IV: not for inexperienced >>2407 That 2x50mg is the only experience i had so far. I recommend you try this dose before moving on to 150mg if ever. ..(unless you're one of those guys with super high tolerance). Personally, i'll stick to 50-75mg from now on. I learned my lesson lol. IMHO anything higher than 100mg is just a waste of money. I can barely cope with 100mg.

>>2372 I will slightly interrupt your thread. Last week I had my first ever experience with LSD (I smoked weed a couple of times before and I didn't really liked it). I will write you sort of trip report and you will tell me if this was real LSD or I've been tricked. I was with 3 friends at one of them's apartment. We started at 16.00. For 2 hours I felt like I had too much energy and everything seemed funny. We have been watching 'trippy' music videos playlist we did earlier (Green Bricks by Zach Hill is my favorite from this setting). During this time I felt that my body temperature is higher than normal, also time started to slow down. At about 18.00 we watched BoJack Horseman underwater episode (I watched it before), it seemed ultra funny even that I had problems with connecting catching up the plot (my ability to logical thinking was a bit away due to this drug). Then I went to bathroom and spit to the sink. I looked at my spit and, oh my god, it was shaking and sparkling. Then I spitted again, about 5cm from the first one. The two drops of water started some kind of 'connection'. I've seen that they were merging together although I knew that this is just an illusion (but I was amazed and a bit scared to be honest). Then I returned to room in which I left my friends. One of them was gazing at the corner of walls and second one was walking around the flat gesticulating to some imaginary friends. I went to another room in which I have a reproduction of a painting (picrel) (in real it's a bit more vivid, with more colors, sorry for not so good photo). What I saw during next 30 minutes was one of best experiences in my lifetime. I started looking at his eyes. The painting started to transform. The colors were mixing with nearby colors like they were liquid. I could project some feeling onto this painting. For example I could make this person smile (not a full smile with teeth, more like overall look of his face, a little grimace of his face). It was not only about feelings, I've seen also this painting transforming to some "stylistics" (old playing card, some arts styles like cubism and much more which I don;t remember now). Next I saw mutherfucking slideshow. As you can see in this painting it has two sides, left - the dark one and right - the bright one. I've seen lots of images being simultaneously and independently "displayed" on both sides, each one of them had colors and overall "feeling" according to it's original background. Another thing I was shocked with was amount of different objects my mind was able to get out of this picture. I remember seeing skeleton of a women spread across the painting. Some wicked horses. It all looked vivid and surreal at the same time. At this point I was excited, I no longer felt scared and I was trying to bend my mind to control this images I was given. For example I was able to see painting's frame as a niche in a wall and this man (or satan, I think) as a metal sculpture in this niche. I could event look at it from different angles and it didn't changed at all. It was awesome. I bet I spent like 30 minutes gazing at satan's eyes. Then I returned to my friends. I felt total emptiness and it actually started turning bad. One of my friends totally lost his mind, he started talking soykaf like "How it's going, dear lainon from fifth dimension? it's XXX from seventh dimension. pause. Boys, I thinks I only need 3 dimensions, yeah, 3 is right, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, what I was talking about? Ah yeah, 6th dimension is the best because..." I could contact with him on any normal surface (he wasn't joking, he was really into it), so I tried this "dimension" game and about 19.00-19.30 we calmed a bit and decided to go to the 'trip'. This is the part which I didn't liked at all. My "dimension" friend wasn't still fully aware of what is happening around. We decided before that if we will be tripping then we should go to "colorful fountain show" which is made each evening in my city. So we hit the road. During this walk I felt like everything in corners of my perception was shady and my mind did all his best to persuade me that there was some danger hiding there (actually afaik mind is constantly interpolating view in corners of eyesight, so, as this drug increases auto-suggestion it makes sense that I felt danger, because I was constantly thinking about risk of getting caught by someone, no one like junkies). I totally felt this way during this trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_b3QOEFYU (I mean the way I was feeling the space and time, the 'surroundings', not what they are talking about). Everything was shaking and I felt that my friend who is 2-3 meters behind me is actually 10 miles back. One of funny stories was that we crossed path of some athletic badass and his girl. He was talking something to her and suddenly I heard "look at my eyes!". I was scared as soykaf because I know that after some drugs your pupils get bigger and my brain was suggesting that he caught us red-handed, which means he will call cops and we will have to explain source of our joy. But it turned out that he was talking to his girl or maybe even he was talking something else. None of my friends remembers this event. When we reached this fountains it wasn't that bad, lots of colours, great memories, but I had this constant fear of being caught. One funny thing I remember was that I discovered ability to 'instantiate' things. Around the fountains there was a beach which was tessellated with some leftovers fallen down from trees. I was able to imagine plastic bricks like this one: https://bit.ly/2PtiJDd (you can google 'MylitDear Robot Magnetic Blocks' if you don't want to open bitly) and then change all occurrences of this things from the tree to this bricks. Funny thing is that I couldn't change it to bricks expect one element which would be something different. It had to be all parts. i will talk about this later. I was also able to change the sand itself to pasta. During the time I felt more and more at risk of getting caught (like, for what reason should 3 strangely acting kids be sitting next to the fountain in city park for 30 minutes?). We decided to go back to my apartment. My multidimensional friend was still a little bit away. One funny thing is that we had problems with being assertive. For example when we were searching for good spot to watch the fountain and someone suggested to go left, then someone else said that we should go right it always ended in 2 minute silence during which we was thinking about it (each on his own, no talking) to finally forgot what was the dilemma and go forward. We returned to my home with a tram, I spent whole time turned out towards the window being afraid that someone will notice me. When we get off the tram we decided that we are hungry and we should buy something. The problem was that multidimensional friend wasn't capable of such activities at the second one also was scared as fuarrrk. So as I came in to the mall all my self-confidence was crushed. I quickly found the bread (we wanted to do toasts. Then I spent like 3 or 4 minutes looking for cheese. Cashier was behaving strangely, I accidentally interrupted previous client transaction because I didn't realized he hasn't payed yet (he went out f the shop probably to take more cash from his car). It was strange experience. I bet I was talking in strange manner. After this we went unnoticed to home and we made toasts. Then my father called me and said that I must do something urgent at home. What The fuarrrk. I had problems talking to him. I packed my things and went home, which means I had to go with public tram for ~30 minutes and then with bus for another ~30 minutes. I was again starring at the window for whole time. I was lucky I didn't met anyone familiar because I would have to talk. When I reached home it was about 23.00, I took my dog for a night walk. Best night walk ever. Sky was full of little clouds and stars. I was still under the influence of drugs so I was able to use this 'instantiation' feature again. I was able to change clouds to spirals (all same) or any other geometric figures which came to my mind (it wasn't like it was my intention which figure to render now, it was rather given to me from the outside). Also, the stars was 5 stars rated. I've never seen such starry sky. Then I returned home and unnoticed went to my room. I had problem with going to sleep for next 2-3 hours. I am certain that this experience was worth it. I have much better understandment of modern art (at least I feel that way). I also decided to push my music creation further and further and fulfill on of my biggest dream which is to learn to paint. But I don't want to do it again (at least not now). What do you think? Was this clean LSD? Are there any drugs which affect musical experience (like this slide show but with music)? Or any other drugs which might be used in a creative way which doesn't affect yours assertiveness and ability to participate in society while being intoxicated (or maybe one can be trained with LSD so after some time he can do this)? Sorry again for interrupting this thread a bit but I didn't found any better thread and starting a new one seems like a little to much for this case.

>>2416 >Was this clean LSD? What do you mean was it clean? I assume you took a regular blotter? Who bought it? What amount? Dealer or dark net? We arent detectives here, how could anyone here know more about the exact drug you took than you? I havent heard of anyone cutting lsd with impurities. You could've gotten an RC that metabolizes into lsd or an nbome (which you probably could've realize it tastes bitter). From what you wrote it sound like regular old lsd to me. I took lsd and had rougly the same kind of trips like you did. Next time just test it if you have no idea what it actually is.

>>2419 how to test it? You mean like chemical tests or "who bought it/what amount/ delar/drknt stuff?"

>>2421 Erlich reagent for example. If turns purple, you know it's not some wierd substance like nbome.

>>2416 >Or any other drugs which might be used in a creative way which doesn't affect yours assertiveness and ability to participate in society while being intoxicated (or maybe one can be trained with LSD so after some time he can do this)? look into microdosing. on very low doses LSD can enhance experience somewhat while also feeling very "in control". Also it becomes much easier to function on light doses(<100 ug) once you have more experience with the drug.

im just popping in to say that 4homipt is just... glorious. if you haven't tried it i cannot recommend it enough. 2c and 2cb are okay but i get really nauseous every time ive tried for about 30 minutes-1 hour. worth it tho.

Anyone ever tried RC dissociatives? MXE, DCK, x-Meo-PCP, Diphenidine (actually don't try this one if you havent). I have used RC's pretty extensively. Favorite trip would probably be on 25b-NBOMe. Best tryptamine would be DPT. Best RC overall: Etizolam

I've done RC's since my teenages back when you had to use Western Union. >>2427 My favorite RC probably is 3-MeO-PCP but that's probably in large part due to other things than the actual drug's effects, like I mean me and some friends imported it bulk and sort of popularized it in this country to the point where eg. one friend who got raided with some of it found was told by the raiding cops that they're specifically trying to eradicate it before it gains foothold as a street drug. One friend also got sentenced to 10 years for having among other things bulk quantities of it. So it's been a very personal/emotionally involving drug. I like dissociatives a lot, some of the first drugs I ever tried were DXM and Salvia. When MXE came out I read about it loads and was convinced that it was the future and made plans to import it but then ended up going on a drug break for over a year forgetting about it and when I started doing drugs again MXE was hard to find, for like a year I requested it from a friend and he kept saying its a month away but it never materialized and eventually MXE disappeared from the markets pretty much completely and I never got to try it. I did get to try loads of MXP and I don't like that one at all it's very boring and way too subtle. One I got to try fairly recently is O-PCE and this came in like crystal form and the best part of it that it worked really well vaped, I think it could've become my new favorite but I only had a lil sample so I'm not sure. Then to answer OPs other question, my least favorite RC is definitely XLR-11/F-UR-144. It's theoretically interesting a bit like MXE which was developed online this one isn't stolen from legitimate scientific research but it was developed directly for the grey/black market. But like most 'noids it's a horrible stoner crack that is easy to overdose on, causes psychotic experiences and once caused an epilectic like seizure for me, and that same day some hours after the seizure I still took another hit... So yeah, fuarrrk 'noids.

Addendum: the crackhead in me would probably nominate α-PVP as my favorite RC but frankly the drug scares me and it is best avoided unless you want for some reason to empathize with crackheads.

>>2402 You guys got it easy. $25 AUD for 1 tab of who-knows-what

Anyone tried MPT (methylpropyltyptamine) ? It's the inbetween of DMT and DPT, it seems pretty interesting but I can't find trip reports anywhere

>>2519 I've read a couple trip reports. It didn't seem to be much, just kind of a less-intense DMT.

>>2394 Yeah, in my experience 1p-lsd is exactly the same as acid, which makes since considering it's just a prodrug for lsd.

I stopped doing RCs 'cause (other than just running out of time to do it) I was sketched out by their unresearched nature. I mean we're really just taking a guess based on a similar chemical structure to known-safe substances (psilocin, DMT) and hearsay from people on the internet. But there's never really any way to be sure this won't cause brain tumors or something 10 years down the line.

i'm interested in taking nootropics nsi-189, dihexa and coluracetam

>>2523 Make sure to never take anything your doctor prescribes either. Its not like they do long-term testing with those.

>>2533 Difference is that there have been people on many prescribed pharms long term, and there is outcome data, additional studies, and reports which are taken into account. You aren't gonna get any of that with RCs, you don't even get basic pharmacological studies to go on. Nothing more than a biased small sample of a small group who like RCs. Also, the reason your doctor prescribes drugs, is not because there is no risk, but because the risk of the drug is deemed to be less than whatever they are intended to treat. The risk involved in recreational use involves a different kind of utilitarian calculus.

>>2533 Studies have come out linking a popular RC (4-FA) to brain bleeding. That is something that would be picked up early in a pharma drug but flew under the radar until enough hospital visits piled up.

>>2543 Can you give me a link to the studies? I use a 2-FA in moderate dosses(10-25mg) from time to time. I know the inner workings of those two substances are like miles apart from each other, but it's still something to look up for.

...continuing I know you need to take way more of 4-FA to get the desired effect. The so called "Light MDMA high with almost no sideeffects". Maybe that's what it leads to so many accidents. Those raver kids that pop those pills like it's MDMA and thinking that 100mg is a normal dose.

rave kids are fuarrrking stupid to be honest. Never know a single got damn thing about the drugs they abuse

>>2556 illusions of superiority among drug users and addicts is one of the most pathetic things ever. t. a drug user.

>>2581 right back atcha buddy

>>2581 That's where you're wrong, buddy You can't just scope all drug users into one group Neither you can scope addicts into one group There are way to many variables going on to do just that

>>2554 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29737425

Apparently 1 -LSD got released few days ago.

>>2598 I heard about this too. Apparently its very similar in effects to 1P but slightly reduced potency or something. Super stoked because new LSD analogue == law/judicial grey area (Until they amend them anyway).

Does anyone know if there are any decent and grey area RC opioids still on the market in the US? I'm kicking myself for not ordering a lifetime supply of fent-analogue when it was still technically legal.

>>2604 Decent and RC opioids haven't belonged in the same sentence for years.

>>2372 I feel sad, my soykafhole recently delegalised O-PCE, which was really good for a dissociative. Not as good as ol' MXE, but still, it was worth the price. >>2398 Well, the greatest danger of rc acid or street acid is getting a nbome blotter instead. Of course it's illegal, but cheaper to produce and most of the people won't complain, because they won't distinguish it. It isn't good for your heart and brain, especially if you go for more than one blotter. I also find funny that some people consider psychedelics to be GROUNDBREAKING DROOGS. Yeah, they can change stuff in your brain, but either it will be short burst of hapiness and stimulation like afterglow on shrooms (it's funny how short it is for acid, then few days of feeling like living soykaf), or just goddamn brain damage. >>2604 Don't. You will be better without them.

>>2608 soykaf, I hoped there might have been a new analog cooked up in some chinaman's lab. Oh well, thanks for the reply anyways. >>2609 >Don't. You will be better without them. Is there a particular reason regarding opiate class RCs that makes you say that, or just the old "anything but opiates" wisdom?

>>2604 Can't you just get some codeine?

>>2610 Not that guy but I have used multiple RC opioids (U47, fent analogs) and they just feel pretty dirty IME. Something about not coming from opium orginally just seems to make really bad opioids. There is also the horror stories of MT-45 which have the only crazy side effects I have ever really heard of from RC's. Some guy started losing all the hair on his body and follicles became enflamed amongst other things. I never saw an update about him but I haven't looked in a while. I have heard of O-DMST (a less serotonergic metabolite of tramadol) being decent but I have never used it and I am not sure if its easy to find anymore.

>>2609 >it's funny how short it is for acid, then few days of feeling like living soykaf I've never gotten this with acid. I do think it's improved my life and my thinking. Usually there's a few days of afterglow and a consistent mood lift for several weeks or longer, depending on how the trip went.

>>2615 >Some guy started losing all the hair on his body and follicles became enflamed amongst other things. I never saw an update about him but I haven't looked in a while. soykaf, that's crazy. I recall there were some that seemed to have serious side effects, but nothing like that. >O-DMST Nice, this looks like it might just be the ticket, and as a primary metabolite it's got a reasonable expectation of safety on it's side. Thanks a bunch mate. >>2614 How? Getting scripts for any opioid these days is pretty difficult from legitimate doctors, and I'd honesty prefer to keep my transactions just between me and some chingchong, instead of dependent on the good will a forger or crooked doc. Is there some loophole I am unaware of?

>>2618 >How? I have no idea to be honest In the country I live in you can just get paracetamol+codeine pills or even codeine cough syrup at your local supermarket

>>2620 Oh, yeah where I live it's intensely controlled. No OTC funtime for us.

>>2405 >>2407 >>2415 Just an update, I jumped directly to a 150mg dose, insufflated. I would not recommend it, after 15 minutes I had stronger visual than on the peak after taking 5g of shrooms. It becomes extremely overwhelming and it's really painful on the nose, which really is like kicking dead whales down the beach when you're tripping balls. If I had to do it again I would probably do increments of 25mg over some period of time instead, but that would probably be even more painful on the nose. I don't think I'll try it again though.

>>2949 hehe, that's dpt for you. overwhelming as fuarrrk and generally not that pleasant to be on. soykaf's my favorite psy though, its given me by far the most meaningful experiences of anything i've taken. would not recommend 25mg increments, better to just get the pain over with. i haven't done this with dpt, but i have with snorting huge doses of other psys - eating really spicy stuff immediately before snorting. i use pickled ginger, and eat a solid fuarrrking handful of it. but i really fuarrrking love ginger, so theres that. the idea is to make it actually burn more in your mouth than in your nose except its pickled ginger so when you focus on it, it actually tastes pretty good.

>implyin you have to be a drug addled fuarrrk to post on the """"""Internet""""""

thinking about buying some 1p from lysergi. prob will buy w/ ltc like this: exchange -> convert to monero and back to ltc -> buy any thoughts? from us.

>>3081 Sounds alright. Just a tip: I'm not familiar with what payment lysergi supports but if you've got monero, you can use XMR.to to convert it to BTC for no fee (there's no timeframe on this however so it could possibly maybe take a while to go through).