100 vs 200 for first time LSD

I'm doing research for a trip in a social setting and I'm split when it comes to dosage. Many big names recommend 100 microgram for the first trip. But looking at forums others seem content with recommending 200 microgram. As far as I can tell the effects might be stronger at 200 microgram, with ego-dissolution being the main one. But I'm unsure how much stronger. The main argument I see for 100 microgram is that you can always go in with more later, but >I don't want to take my friends for a day's program and leave them with what might only be a "mild" trip >LSD build tolerance and it's a bad idea to go a week after, but in the long-term we are all busy >I don't want to be storing LSD for months What is the difference in experience between the two thresholds? Some people have also mentioned that "everybody reacts different". Is there anything from which I can guess what the potency for a person might be?

100ug for a first time. I did my first at 150ug split in two (75ug, waiting for it to kick in then 75ug more). The thing is, you don't know if your source is reliable until you see a lab result. I had the results and it was 152ug or something like that. But even on the same batch, someone can fuarrrk it up and one blotter can have a higher, or lower, dosage. 75 to 150uq is considered "common" 150 to 300 is considered "strong" So just go for 100, split it in 2 if you can, to see how you react. Maybe you think you gave 100ug but it's 200. Maybe your 200ug blotter is actually 300. Play it safe. And have a SOBER trip sitter.

You can't really redose LSD mid trip as tolerance happens almost immediately making subsequent doses ~20% affective by the time you get any measure of your trip, and even if it's an RC I doubt you'll have any trouble unless you take four or more tabs (presuming they're advertised as 80-100mcg/tab). One dose you'll get the body high and psychological effects very similar to two but hardly any hallucinogenic effects unlike two or more. It's honestly so much more enjoyable to the point I won't even trip if I'm stuck with one tab, much rather have 2 or 4 ideally.

>>18976 >You can't really redose LSD mid trip as tolerance happens almost immediately making subsequent doses wtf are you talking about I took 150ug as a single dose and 150ug divided in two 75ug doses a few times, from the same batch. Guess what? The divided dose only get to the same level of the full single dose after redosing. Tolerance with LSD isn't immediate. That's a myth (that I never saw before btw). I know because of personal LSD usage as described above and I can prove it with medical papers: https://doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-12-800212-4.00079-0 Quote: "In humans, mental tolerance to LSD manifests 24 h after its first administration, reaches a maximum by around the fourth day, remains relatively constant thereafter, and does not reverse unless a few days of abstinence is interspersed." You can put the paper in sci-hub and read it yourself. >making subsequent doses ~20% affective by the time you get any measure of your trip Again, you are talking nonsense because someone uneducated convinced you of that. Maybe thinking that is making an impact on your trip (as even watching TV can distract you from the full effects at 150ug) >and even if it's an RC I doubt you'll have any trouble unless you take four or more tabs If it's an LSD analog as they are still around since Lizard Labs stopped selling last year (they are still around under another name selling in Germany only), maybe. If it's some soykafty NBOMe and OP doesn't do a test before, it's a life/death situation. It's ALWAYS smarter to start at a lower dose with new products, ESPECIALLY for noobs. It's the basics of harm reduction. Please stop giving bad/dangerous advice to newbies. >It's honestly so much more enjoyable to the point I won't even trip if I'm stuck with one tab, much rather have 2 or 4 ideally. Everybody do reacts different.. I personally don't enjoy higher doses AT ALL. I will do 100ug all day vs 250/300+ Again, OP is a newbie, let's start at a lower dosage. Hell, it's not even a really low dose. It's 100ug, a COMMON DOSE (as described on Erowid and Psychonautwiki)

I will add: What if the blotter/geltab is advertised as 100ug but in reality is 250ug? If OP takes 2 of them, that's a freaking 500ug dose, as a first time, a REALLY HEAVY DOSE that will require more than 1 trip sitter, educated, for his whole group of friends. 250ug blotters are really common and it's common that they are advertised as lower doses, as you can see on Drugdata test results.

>>18974 >social setting >multiple people's first times 50ug taken early in the day. a chance for those who want more to take another 50ug two hours later. have fun activities planned for 14 hours. some people can't handle 100ug. you don't want all of your friends to have a bad time because someone took too much and freaked out. 50ug is a safe spot for the euphoria without much risk of a "bad trip." tell us more about the setting you are doing it in >I don't want to take my friends for a day's program and leave them with what might only be a "mild" trip better to leave them with a mild trip and know to take more next time than to leave them with ptsd from a trip they weren't ready for.

LSD is fuarrrking intense, start slow.

>>18990 I agree with this. Better to leave people with a milder trip than something insane where things go wrong and no ones has a good trip at all because someone in the group is freaking out the entire time. If you leave with a mild trip you will build interest to extend further in the psychworld if all things smooth.

OP here again. I've listened to the advice itt and we'll do 100 instead. If we want to do more we can come together for 200 later. >>18979 >If it's some soykafty NBOMe and OP doesn't do a test before, it's a life/death situation. I will not put some untested chemical into my body. Of course I will test with reagents and look for a bitter/numbing taste that NBOMes are described as having. I know even then it's not fully trustworthy, but I haven't seen reports of people mixing LSD with other adulterants. Usually, it's just the adulterant or a high concentration of iso-LSD. >I will add: What if the blotter/geltab is advertised as 100ug but in reality is 250ug? >250ug blotters are really common and it's common that they are advertised as lower doses, as you can see on Drugdata test results. I never knew they would be this common. Great information to know. I always assumed that street acid was weaker because nobody bothers to test it. Anecdotal evidence on Dread seems to suggest this too. I don't worry a lot about dosage, as I'm getting my tabs from a reputable DN vendor. >>18990 >50ug taken early in the day. a chance for those who want more to take another 50ug two hours later I wouldn't trust the vendor to spread the dose across the tabs. If he dropped slightly off center one of us could be getting nothing while the rest get way more. >fun activities Do you have any recommendations? >tell us more about the setting you are doing it in It's with good friends in the (sober) trip sitter's house that we've all been in multiple times before. The trip sitter also has previous experience. >better to leave them with a mild trip and know to take more next time than to leave them with ptsd from a trip they weren't ready for. You are absolutely right.

Empty stomachs, fast for a week eat only seeds and fruit Get dnm lsd at least 200ug Beholdeth, reality

I've only done LSD once and did 200ug. I didn't have a trip sitter and tripped at night. It was extremely intense, it felt like I was being tortured by demons and I thought I was going to die. The effects also lasted long asf, 12 hours after I took the tab I was still hallucinating and 24 hours after (didn't sleep a second) I could still feel some effects. I don't think I'll ever do LSD again, it wasn't a profound experience at all.

200 i think was my first dose and its definitely where things start to get weird(er). Ive always gotten visuals even at 100 but I know some people say the visuals only start for them at 200 however I think they just arent paying attention. Its a lot either way, even just the body/mental effects are a lot to endure for the 8 hours you will be or whatever. Try to just forget about time though I always have and have never had the freakout about being "stuck" like that or whatever. Always just do what feels right in the moment and dont lock yourself in to anything. Im noticing a wave of renewed interest in lsd which is funny its been exactly 10 years since me and all of my friends fresh faced on our own for the first time in college started taking it and experimenting it. For a few years it was such a deal we had people selling and making their own blotter sheets at our school, and then it feels like for years after all I heard was about how acid is unnatural or too much or whatever and how everyone prefers shrooms and how you should always do shrooms first or maybe even skip acid entirely until now. I wonder if theres just a lot of it going around.

>>19006 >If he dropped slightly off center one of us could be getting nothing while the rest get way more. You don't need to worry about that. LSD manufacturers don't actually drop the individual doses on the individuals squares of blotter paper. They saturate the entire sheet at once. The blotter paper can only absorb so much solvent and they use the knowledge of how much solvent it takes to saturate the blotter paper to figure out what the ratio of lsd to solvent needs to be to end up with squares saturated with whatever dose they want when they cover the entire sheet in it.

>>19156 This It's microdots that confuse me lol had them before just tiny little porcelain feeling balls that hit me with lots of pure LSD

>>19179 I've seen square pyramid like pieces of gel and those have been pretty clean

>>19240 The gels look cool too I've never had them, not nearly as teensy tiny as a dot but not hard iike a rock either lol I just miss being able to order 1p lSD and lots of 4 aco dmt or 4 ho met, legally .... I mean it only came on paper tabs but they were plain white tabs featuring only "1p lSD" I made a lot of liquid 2cb with double strength cordial and the 2g bag of 2cb I used to have.... People at the festival I was selling it at thought I was some mad scientist with sealed test tubes of psychedelics in middle of a rave lol

>>19246 I have more gel then I know what to do with. I'm thinking of taking two but purged last time from eating pizza on the come up.

>>19251 If you don't really space it out you will find severely diminishing returns each time man save it for now and get stoned or something in the meantime lol it's not same for everybody but I and a lot others ruined it for ourselves like that, I thought a week or three was a long enough break lol

>>19252 Have been getting stoned but I'm finding myself wanting to quit. I should also add up until now I've tripped monthly/bimonthly. Last two mentioned was over half a year ago as well.

>>19257 Yeah that's decent, you still notice it changing though as you abuse it more and.more. however not so rapidly lol Man psys are awesome esp mixed with MXE if you ever find it again

>>19258 I'm more of a shroom guy but that's also a timeline thing. I've noticed the headspace difference and don't quite like it. Not in a bad sort of way but more disappointment in using it as a tool. Perhaps I should view the differences and decide as such, but its less explorative.

>>19266 LSD is more mentally intense than shrooms (I way prefer 4aco to shrooms personally, with MXE as spammed allover recently in relevant threads). But yeah it's more of a mountain to climb / your inner demons surface more with LSD due to the mental effect That's why I like it though, my first trip was a full 00 capsule of fuarrrkING 2CP. ohhhhh god nothing is as bad as that stuff. The dose was insane, my first trip ever, the body load more violent than any drug I've ever done and I counted over 80 different drugs by this point. It ripped my soul out and my thoughts came from outside of my body, my mate was screaming about fire erupting out from the ground like huge geysers of psychedelia. We were about 17/18 then and it fuarrrked us so fuarrrking hard that it gave me a really high ability to tolerate psychedelics like a seasoned user but in one stupidly over the top bad idea of a night. Shit my mum was watching Dante's inferno lol that soykaf was cool AF. I had to warn her I was tripping soykaf though But yeah lsd was comparatively forgiving but I still get what your saying man, I found 4 aco super similar to shrooms (metabolises into the same drug apparently) and that's less fuarrrky than LSD and it's various compounds

>>19267 I mean now I've done too many drugs, when I did the 2cp I was a baby to it, first trip was my most insane lol tho I've had extended breakthroughs and A++++ on the shulgin scale experiences so that's fun 2cp was good training but not worth redoing

>>19267 I find shrooms more 'mentally intense' I mean. Acid hasn't given me the discovery's/realizations(?) i've had off shrooms in the trips I've embarked on. Again, I'm less experienced with it overall but I think the description of 'weird thoughts' compared to visions McKenna described fits my thoughts.

>>19273 That just sounds like your underdosing LSD and doing proper doses of shrooms... All psys have both of those effects but LSD is more.mental and shrooms less mental