Cyberdelic

What do you think of the concept that the brain reacts to the internet as a drug, feeling like a drug being called cyberdelic I could only imagine the closes thing to it would be vaporwave aesthetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdelic

>the brain reacts to the internet as a drug most definitely. We're info junkies.

It's how facebook, reddit and twitter work to keep users on their sites. People crave validation. That validation is gained through likes, thumbs up, gold and other soykaf for a dopamine release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6e1riShmak You can see it every day with people unable to detach from their phones. They have their fix in their pocket and carry it around like a monkey on their back.

>cyberdelic this is perhaps the first time i've ever encountered my kneejerk reactions of shear utter revulsion and lol that's perfect to be in perfect balance it's a very strange feeling

I get high of computer/cyberpunk soykaf of most kinds, movies music, books, images. I suppose it counts, there are different stimuli working differently for each person. Maybe its cuz im a mentally ill weirdo, dunno.

Through the wired we are all connected. Connection to the universal unconscious is the best drug there is, people get it on acid and psychedelics, can step beyond it through dissociatives. But the wired lets you talk to it directly albeit in a very abstracted form for now. But one day.

I managed to come across some 2-cp and I would have to say that it falls under a cyberdelic. Lots of geometries with some biological curves and colorful electrical sensations. It feels like you're watching a vhs and it is trying to track on the vcr. It feels like taking some mush but you can tell there is something that feels synthetic in the high.

>What do you think of the concept that the brain reacts to the internet as a drug I'm an infojunkie for sure. The internet isn't a drug, but it isn't not-a-drug. It's maybe something more? I'm not really quite sure. >feeling like a drug being called cyberdelic Not all drugs are psychedelics. The most popular psychedelic drugs are LSD, magic mushrooms (psilocybin), dmt and 2-cb. None of these are addictive, but I would say the internet is quite addictive. If I had to compare the internet (how I use it at least) to a drug it would probably be DXM. Legal and always available; always slightly unpleasant; with many layers constituting very different experiences; fuarrrks your brain up after a while; manic; mostly used by underage; and it's a purple syrup like vaporwave a e s t h e t i c.

Niche "culture" created by capitalistic USA. Making up buzzwords and trying to create a culture that had no roots in history or reality. You guys need a better hobby than to make buzzwords to feel a part od some kind of culture and community.

>>2076 Not really this is more you projecting how you think other people feel about it. Also the internet undeniably has a culture or influences culture, vaporwave would just be one part of it.

>brain reacts to the internet as a drug Is is really a meaningful distinction. Particularly if one's response to "cyber", floods the brain with chemicals. Its probably akin to gambling or other addictive activities. The more difficult issue is defining what the "internet" is and what that extends to. If you can't do that, you probably can't define it as a drug.

>>1616 Looks like you either should read Cyberia, or have already read it. An interesting lecture, especially given the time at which it was written, when only BBS and primitive network was available to selected few.

>>2077 That's not a culture or even a subculture, actually it's just an aesthetic. Being into vaporwave is just a subset of a subset of the population. I don't know what you think vaporwave influences either, it is already just a blended milkshake of older ideas.

>>3173 You seem to be projecting your viewpoint to the general knowledge. There are no research works in this field, and we are all just sharing our loose thoughts. Indeed, vaporwave is a blended milkshake of older ideas. However, one can say the same about any genre or work of art. My art teacher said that creativity means hiding your original inspirations well. Besides, vaporwave is a fraction of a larger phenomenon. What used to be futuristic has now become old and retro, and things such as old cyberpunk, cosmism, synthwave and retro-electro (which are just labels that I find interesting) have become interesting only recently. I dare to say it wouldn't be so if there was no Internet and if we couldn't share and express ourselves online.

The brain doesnt react to the internet as a drug nor is there to "react as if it were a drug" for our beains react to drugs as if we hugged a love one, or ate, or stretched, or yawned. The internet in my opinion has long lost addiction and many are addicted in the same way they are addicted to having eyesight. Within the internet though are many addictions to be had however they are not all the same as in life. I might be addicted to watching youtube videos, another may be addicted to messaging, and another may be addicted to intaking information. Addictions in my opinion alleviate fears, and whether the fear is ever alleviated decides if it is addictive. The less time we can spend without having to engage in the addictive behaviour the more addicted we are. If I fear boredom I must continuously videos and the minute I stop I am bored again. We are "addicted" to food however we are full after we eat. We only classify someone as being addicted to food if they continue to eat even when full. There is a singularity point of sorts where if the addictive thing is sustainable enough it ceases to become an addiction, is now expected and is now a part of the fabric of our reality. Food is somewhat like this but a better example might be eyesight. We know we are addicted to seeing because if we lose our eyesight we panic, we want it back, we need it. Yet having eyesight is not some hardcoded check for our brains as those born blind, though they often would like eyesight, they do not worry or panic over the fact that they don't have it. So it is similar to any other addiction the only difference is that seeing for many of us is always available (until it isnt) and so we no longer have to consciously preoccupy ourselves with it nor do we gain any joy out of just seeing. Much like how many drugs lose their euphoria and become a necessity, there is only negative emotions felt when its not there anymore. We would never classify seeing as an addiction, likewise I wouldnt classify the internet itself as an addiction. If my fear is loss of loved ones, or being lost, the internet only has to be on my person to alleviate that. I dont have to seek it out because I just pull out a phone and im good. Again though, certain areas of the internet can be. If I fear isolation I have to keep messaging on chans or social media or wherever, and when im done talking to someone online im afraid or bored again. A dependent but not addicted internet user just has to have access to the internet and that alone gives them reassurance they could reach out to someone. They wouldn't waste all day on instagram.

>>2076 Psyberdelic describes an experience not a community.

>>3310 Yeah, you missed the entire point. Vaporwave is not a "subculture" and I don't think you understand what a subculture is.

Writing this from work, I can report that I definitely 100% do not feel high right now, so I call bullsoykaf

The internet is really an MKULTRA experiment.

>>1605 Up until a few years ago, I would spend entire nights browsing the deepest parts of the internet just out of curiosity. Now that life has accelerated, I have to remind myself to do it, once every few weeks. I call it "diving", I have a bookmarks folder that I keep there to remind myself that it's not all just Facebook and Twitter. Internet is a drug, the problem is with how the drug has evolved. It changed from being LSD to being cocaine, a tool for mindlessly working and getting soykaf done, instead of a place for inner experiences. Now everything is monetized, is advertisements, is analytics. The divers are dying out. I see it in myself, I don't know for how long I'll be able to dive in the net. I feel myself getting older, and eventually I will have lost track of where the internet subculture went while I was curating my twitter feed to please off employers and peers. Vaporwave is dead, too. Now it's all about selling t-shirts, go look on Reddit/Insta (the two major outlets for VW). I just want to survive long enough to be able to jack my brain in a machine and spend the rest of my days diving. I want to program my AI child and roam the metaverse with it.

>>3468 any tips for what you call "diving"? i feel like i lost my curiosity for the internet (or maybe for the world in general) and would love to do something to regain it at least a little bit...

>>3476 To live is to dive. Only you can find the wonder in your own heart. To dive is to live. Seek not truth or happiness but emptiness. In void all things were born, to void all things return. To plumb the void is to find the center of all things, the beginning and the end. Informatic, physical or otherwise. Less existentially, try joining some obscure usenet groups, obscure forums and go download a random URL trawler/generator. Apply it liberally and see what it gives you. Seek hubs, look for nodes in the wire with only a single point of contact to the farthest links. Alternatively, go outside, perform an appreciable amount of cardiovascular exercise and enjoy the weather, whatever it is. This can be a great way to bring your wonder back. Go play on a play ground, alone or with strangers, watch ants and insects go about their lives. Stay out till late watching people do their things from a distance. All these things in my experience have brought and maintain wonder and curiosity. There are well established neuroscientific explanations for their effects if you care about those details.

>>3478 with my limited technical knowledge it may be hard, but thanks for the tips - maybe the process of learning how to dive will actually spark more curiosity in me

>>3478 >There are well established neuroscientific explanations for their effects if you care about those details. Not him, but I am interested in those. Any papers or articles you can point me to?

>>3480 https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(15)00767-9 https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(14)00804-6 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627315007679 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1402378/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4640257/ https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10648-007-9057-0 These are but a few examples. There are hundreds of examinations from many different angles using many different methodologies, psychologically, and neuroscientifically. Even from a basic physics standpoint, viewing the brain as a complex chaotic system would indicate a similar view as, relevant or potentially correct to a high degree of certainty.

>>3481 thanks a lot, lain.

>>3481 to elaborate on that last point... A chaotic system that is in equilibrium will have a smaller receptive field. Very generally speaking the brain is a chaotic system because it's target parameters are continuously in flux. When the brain is not differentialy stimulated, with a variety of external sights, sounds, activities, and exposures, it's degree of chaos will degrade slowly, settling toward some equilibrium, and losing receptive field as it does so. By varying your activity, and stimulating the development of new neurons and vasculature and exposing your brain to large quantities of adrenaline, norepenephrine, dopamine, serotonin and other neuromodulators associated with excercise, you can maintain a continuous state of chaos, and maintain a large receptive field. IE remain "curious". There are also some interesting algorithms based on simplified models of human and animal receptive field, used for saliency detection. The Jevois camera has a built in system for detecting salient events and environmental features, and is a simple and well developed synthetic model of how the brain operates.

>>3482 No problem. :) Always happy to help.

>>3476 To me, diving can mean simple things, link browsing a slower chan instead of the usual high-velocity 4chan, or following chains of links for as far as I can get (like the Wikipedia game). It can mean spending hours sniping a person (I used to be on the front lines of the very early Pizzagate stuff), or it can mean looking at obscure demoscene websites from the early 2000. For the technically advanced, there's a world of unprotected databases out there, waiting to be discovered. For the morally flexible, there's Tor. That's where soykaf gets dark and dangerous, you start getting mixed with state surveillance. Usenet is a nice place to be, too. Nowadays it's mostly accessible through paid services, but sometimes you'll find a random website that allows you to browse a subset of the tree (e.g., fcuk.it). Japanese chans are also weird as hell, kinda dreamy. See this thread http://afternoon.dynu.com/read/1453819488

>>3319 i know i am late to the party but i would love to hear your definition of subculture. let's take for example punk as a subculture, there is the aspect of music which is for the most part essentially a more aggressive version of rock 'n roll. Then there is the actual scene, with colored hair, piercing culture etc. In many cases there is a political aspect to it. now compare it to vaporwave >a music genre, inspired by older genres and an self ironic sense of nostalgic >anonymous artist for the most part which is, in our social media landscape very counter culture-ish >an art style commonly but not exclusively seen in wallpapers >has sub genres in music and art (simpsonwave/fashwave/laborwave etc) >is for the most part very memeable/ ironic which reflects an part of the society but not society as a whole i can't see why vatorwave shouldn't be a subculture, it may be one that mainly if not exclusively exists online but that's the time we live in

>>4024 Punks, beats, hippies, ravers, Nazi skinheads even... the participants in those groups actually took part in some kind of group activity and had lifestyles in common, different forms of dance, and usually there were politics attached as well. Just having a different soundtrack on your iPod and a different colour wallpaper while doing nothing in your day-to-day that is different from everyone else around you does not constitute a subculture unless the definition has completely changed. It's a "niche" at most.

>>4025 What about emos and metalheads? Sure it doesn't have its own dance nor an direct political influence but so didn't rock 'n roll either (if you don't consider the slightly more progressive influence it had on the youth at the time to be that) I mean, it's nothing you would identify with but with it's sub genre it touches on politics and in my opinion kinda reflects really well on a more meme side, look at /p0l/aks for example, i would associate fashwave way more with some of the figures of the alt right than screwdriver for example. And what about subcultures that don't base directly on the music? You even mentioned hippies, they are hippies not psy-rockers or whatever. so all in all i wouldn't completely trow away the concept that vaporwave can be seen as part of a subculture if you are not willing to take it one step further and see it as its own digital subculture

>>4026 If you're going to be THAT pedantic... you don't remember the "emo two-step" or the fact that metalfriends invented headbanging as a sort of dance, and later adapted their own form of slamdancing from crossover with punk rock but that wasn't the point at all. And I said usually there were politics, not always. I look at vaporwave and I see nerds making music on their computers, making art on their computers, etc. Same as every other niche interest out there today. One isn't really that different from another when you step back. There isn't any ritual or cultural practice associated with it that differentiates it. Maybe there is and I don't know about it. I guess I'm biased in that I think a true subculture involves going out in public and actually doing something. Maybe that no longer applies and that is kind of sad.

>>4027 >If you're going to be THAT pedantic... Nope, i just found it somewhat funny that (you) accused the other lainon of not knowing what a subculture is you don't remember the "emo two-step" or the fact that metalfriends invented headbanging as a sort of dance, and later adapted their own form of slamdancing from crossover with punk rock but that wasn't the point at all. And I said usually there were politics, not always. >I look at vaporwave and I see nerds making music on their computers, making art on their computers, etc. Same as every other niche interest out there today. One isn't really that different from another when you step back. There isn't any ritual or cultural practice associated with it that differentiates it. Maybe there is and I don't know about it. >I guess I'm biased in that I think a true subculture involves going out in public and actually doing something. Maybe that no longer applies and that is kind of sad.

>>4028 Okay that wasn't planed. fuarrrking phoneposting >>4027 >I look at vaporwave and I see nerds making music on their computers, making art on their computers, etc. yeah and before that it was teens making music in the basement of their parents >There isn't any ritual or cultural practice associated with it that differentiates it. it differentiates itself in style and mood, nostalgic and alienating at once >I guess I'm biased in that I think a true subculture involves going out in public and actually doing something. Would it become a subculture if it gets played on raves or more fitting after raves? >Maybe that no longer applies and that is kind of sad. Don't like the idea either but sub cultures started to die in the late 2000's imo Right about the time the first iphone got released and social media took completely over

>>4029 You're obviously pretty offended by what was intended as playful teasing, and still missing the points made. It's not about whether the art produced is valid or worthy, or how it was produced. Really, just forget it.

Im on vacation, had no net int days, just jacked in again. Been at this for hours now full force, anyone saying computers are not a frug is full of soykaf.