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Weed, LSD, and shrooms are used in MK ultra because they activate the "discovery system" of your brain, or "epiphany system." When you're tripping balls on these drugs, lies and retarded ideas can seem like profound revelations. Not only does this happen when glowies want to control you directly, even when you're tripping alone in your bedroom, demons can MK ultra you. The Bible warns us that Satan isn't in Hell, but is scouring the earth for weak minded people to consume. You are at your most weak minded when you are under the influence of these drugs. Regardless of how psychedelics may have positively impacted your life or whatever, imagine what the average normal person goes through when they take these drugs. The type of person who supports Ukraine, took the covid vaccine, thinks that guns should be derezzed, etc. Imagine what happens to them when they take LSD and a demon finds them shivering alone in their bed. It's easy pickings.

>Weed, LSD, and shrooms are used in MK ultra because they activate the "discovery system" of your brain, or "epiphany system." Notably, they were used _unsuccessfully_ in that program. >Regardless of how psychedelics may have positively impacted your life or whatever, imagine what the average normal person goes through when they take these drugs. Most normal people just take LSD to party.

>>13867 Agree completely. The whole reason plants create psychedelic compounds is to destroy the minds of creatures eating them and to cause their death. The "ego death" generally associated with many psychedelic plants is the plant tricking you into thinking that your "self" doesn't matter. This leads to death in a natural setting, and can still lead to a persons genome not being passed on since they no longer value the self.

>>13869 >The whole reason plants create psychedelic compounds is to destroy the minds of creatures eating them and to cause their death. Plenty of things intended as poisons are used for positive effects. Pretty much any medicine you use was probably evolved as a poison. There is also the matter that psychedelic drugs such as LSD do not occur in nature. >The "ego death" generally associated with many psychedelic plants is the plant tricking you into thinking that your "self" doesn't matter. This leads to death in a natural setting I've encountered rattlesnakes while tripping before, I was able to identify the danger and take steps to avoid it.

>>13870 >medicine Most "medicines" are poison though. >the spiel about a rattlesnake Don't see how that's relevant

>>13871 >>medicine >Most "medicines" are poison though. I mean medicine, not in scare quotes. Any kind of traditional whatever, it's probably not evolved for the purpose of helping humanity. >>the spiel about a rattlesnake >Don't see how that's relevant Maybe all that LSD destroyed your ability to understand why an anecdote about an actually dangerous situation in nature would be relevant to your claim that tripping leads to death in a natural setting.

>>13872 Medicine is "medicine". It leads to death because it destroys your mind and causes ego death. You survived, sure, this just means you had a higher tolerance. It is still destructive poison.

>>13873 >Medicine is "medicine". So you think that literally all chemicals are poison? Strange position to take. Retarded, in fact

>>13874 No. Just virtually all medicine. Eat a bag of dicks.

I sort of agree, but this sort of warning is either preaching to the choir or falling on death ears. But lol ffs the bona fide satan isn't just strolling around eating minds/souls. There's plenty of negative entities that will fuarrrk with you temporarily (tricksters) or long term (parasites). Christians in particular have so utterly simplified the metaphysical world as to reduce it to God/satan, with only the occasional reference to demons, even then a gross simplification. The flip side of this is the majority of people will benefit in some way because they can deprogram themselves of the negative influence of parasites already present and every now and then even rid of them. All things considered I think you mine as well keep it simple -- if you respond well to psychedelics then do as you wish otherwise stay away.

>>13874 >So you think that literally all chemicals are poison? They never said this. I despise this type of scripted behavior. >omg im so smart >I bet he doesn't know stuff iz kemmiculs >i'll angle at the naturalness heuristic >[formulates output] >hurr durr lmao u jus sigh ent if ickally ill itterate n afraid of duh kemmicuhlllzzzz!!!!! Seconding their response. Eat a bag of phallic macro constructs you imitation human.

>>13875 You do realize that he meant traditional/natural medicines that occur naturally in plants, and not pressed pills full of NSAIDs or whatever? I mean, your view is stupid either way, but it's especially stupid if you think anything that has ever been used as a medicine is bad for you. I suppose prunes are bad for you because they're a laxative? Tea and honey is bad for you because it can alleviate a cold? Can't wait for you to walk this one back, move the goal post, or say I'm straw manning.

MK Ultra reached farther than spy prostitutes and LSD brainwashing, MK Ultra was about using technology to shape and control the minds of the masses. Broadcasting of media over TV and radio, and the development of the internet were affected by it. There is no need for psychotropics to brainwash people, it can all be done with electromagnetic, magnetic, and sonic weapons. >>13872 You would never consume LSD in a nature setting, it's not a naturally occurring psychedelic drug like psilocybin, DMT, mescaline, or datura. If you haven't experienced ego death or had any experiences with psychedelics there's no point in passing judgement upon those who have because you've never had that experience before, you have no way of even comprehending what they are like. Some of these drugs, like LSD, can enhance sensory perception, they won't necessarily make you more vulnerable, I know one person who tested their reaction time while on LSD and their reflexes were twice as quick as those of an average person, around 100ms or a little lower, pretty insane. The fractals people view are created because reality is being observed from a 4 dimensional perspective. I was given ketamine as a sedative after suffering a grievous injury, and I had a harrowing experience. I first had a few horribly disconcerting hallucinations and it all culminated in me being dragged by demons. I never saw them or don't remember seeing them but at the time I perceived them to be demons because I began to autodictate the horrors I was experiencing and people overheard me. I think I was brought down a vortex and wound up in another dimension. I was in some urban center, it looked similar to Pripyat in COD Modern Warfare, very gray, run down, urban area, with a hospital set before me which I had to go into. I had to say goodbye to everyone I knew, even dead people, they were all lined up and I had to say goodbye to them as I walked toward the hospital.. Then I got tortured and killed in various ways for all of eternity, and each time I died I was reincarnated back where I died with little recollection of how I had died previously so it was always new. It lasted for all eternity, yet it somehow ended. I clung to my ego throughout the entire experience. I never experienced ego death, and the very reason why my experience was so horrific was because of my fear of death, going to hell, and my refusal to let go of my ego. My experience is not a typical experience of course, I had been given a drug as a sedative to treat a grievous injury, I was already in a bad state of mind going into it. Had I been in a good state of mind that wouldn't have happened. I had a PTSD-like reaction when watching the movie Jacob's Ladder, but it helped me realize what the problem I had with the drug I'd been given was. That being said words cannot describe what an experience with psychedelics is like, it can last forever yet you somehow return to reality, but you can meditate and return to the place you once were. Most people don't get anything out of psychedelics, it certainly doesn't solely make them "more liberal" and prone to take the covid vaccine. It is just "lol drugs" for them.

>The Bible warns us that Satan isn't in Hell, but is scouring the earth for weak minded people to consume. Earth is hell and weakminded people produce satan. >You are at your most weak minded when you are under the influence of these drugs. This only goes for the useless cattle who are unable to use a mind. Drugs augment and improve my mind. >Regardless of how psychedelics may have positively impacted your life or whatever, imagine what the average normal person goes through when they take these drugs. Obviously being disconnected from the control matrix will cause great discomfort and confusion, after all what are they are nothing without their masters to tell them how to think. >The type of person who supports Ukraine, took the covid vaccine, thinks that guns should be derezzed, etc. Imagine what happens to them when they take LSD and a demon finds them shivering alone in their bed. It's easy pickings. They are always easy pickings, which is why i am not afraid of demons occupying their sick bodies and taking their rotting minds, even with demonic occupied powers those kind of persons are less than vermin and cant be used for more than being this. People need to stop blaming demons and the devil for mans stubborn willingness to remain idiotic feeble minded sheep who can only be controlled or be out of control. Every experienced demonologist and exorcist will tell you demons only have access because people allow them to, stop pushing blame to other dimensional beings for taking advantage of things that humans clearly are asking for.

When i first took LSD alone at night and was tripping balls from 0 up to 7 in the morning I did indeed saw the devil. He toyed with me, laughed. Played with my psyche until i understood that it is pointless to resist. I started laughing too. He showed me that this is how the actual world is, that everyone is blind, trapped in their humanity, viewing world throught their human state, their limited lenses, fake human concepts because thats the only way they can comprehend their reality. As the trip was ending and i was slowly returning to my human state, he told me he is always there, waiting...

>>13880 >Ketamine after a grievous injury Salute. >reaction time while on LSD I'm extremely interested in LSD as a performance enhancer, and I've done meticulous exercise to that effect; The issue in it's utilization is also one of it's benefits. The "stupor" leading up to ego death is really just a lack of focus, because everything is very overwhelming, so I trained my focus with these little weebshit nanoblocks over the duration of several trips. They're very small, and assembly is very specific. Without a control, I can't say whether my training was effective, but understanding focus and discipline otherwise, I find it very likely it was. Careful with the 4d, though. Our eyes very likely can't interpret that, but the more science chugs along, the more the 4d hypothesis seems likely. Obviously this soykaf is fringe, but I'd like to convey my thoughts on the matter: Quantum organs exist, as does quantum chemistry. Insofar as we now have active, whole brain scans of people experiencing LSD, we know that one of it's principles of operation is all regions of the brain communicate, wherein normal brain function isolates those regions. If we have quantum based brain function(extremely likely but not yet observed) this could absolutely be an organ that interacts with explicitly 4d quanta, and by LSD/Classical psychedelics removing the barriers the brain requires for normal function, those interactions would absolutely spill out into our more conscious senses, to include visual. It would be fuarrrked up, though, as our visual processing effectively tries to process an "incorrect file type" like if your eyes(brain region) tried to visualize auditory sensations, which is absolutely expected, and is one of the fundamentals of the experience people report after the fact. But even though that "wrong file type" is being incorrectly assessed, it doesn't mean the data associated with it isn't real. It just means that it's being interpreted in a weird way. Food for thought. I also study the 4d bit on the science side: Let's say the big bang was dimensionally omnidirectional, and entropy as we understand it permeates the same across all space. Each dimensional axis would collapse at different speeds, and higher dimensions presumably would collapse faster. I have not done the math. Given this framework, let's assume the 4d axis collapsed nearly entirely, but still exists as a scalar, and things can still obtain velocity along that axis. Impulses could then travel along the 4d before being 'pushed' back out by entropy, maintaining/mirroring their exact force characteristics, akin to jumping on a trampoline. This explains entanglement and electron tunneling very succinctly.

>>13884 did he turn you into a buddhist or something

>>13884 LSD isn't hallucinogenic unless you're schizophrenic.

>>13887 What I learned is the human world is a lie, words are lies, names are lies, human mind is biased and full of errors, therefore it is incapable of objective thinking, everyone lives in their tiny bubbles with their tiny world views.

>>13877 What, you want me to seriously engage with someone who thinks medicine refers exclusively to pills you buy at the store?

>>13867 (OP) >When you're tripping balls on these drugs, lies and retarded ideas can seem like profound revelations. >Not only does this happen when glowies want to control you directly, even when you're tripping alone in your bedroom, demons can MK ultra you. LSD to control people is a pretty dumb idea and failed by every government that tried it. Convincing someone who is tripping balls to do something they don't want to do is a fuarrrking hassle, anyone who has ever tripsat people knows this. >demons Are not real.

>>13903 It made me feel like I'm nothing. That I'm like a neural network just a bunch of tiny inputs and tiny outputs. That I am just a shell, a deterministic robot doing deterministic things in response to environment, also that others are the same. Made me feel super limited and depressed. Felt like there's no free will.

>>13880 yeah i lived through the same. Interesting we would use similiar similes to speak about our experiences like "felt like a eternity", "killed and then reborn", "vortex", "forgetting and remembering" a new. Like if psychedelic experience is some sort of shared experience where people from totally different places in the world can be united, connected in the same nightmare, like internet or night at rave

>>13880 >If you haven't experienced ego death or had any experiences with psychedelics there's no point in passing judgement upon those who have Honestly I'm more and more convinced that "ego death" just reinforces peoples' ego. People talk about it almost to brag or lord over others how "enlightened" they are, including me at one point. I don't like using such words to talk about what I've felt and been through while on LSD, mushroom, and DMT. It feels trite, and it feels like a lie. Ego is still here, I'm not dead. Maybe this is the reason I don't do psychedelics any more. Maybe I grew up.

When you are getting high on religious dogma retarded ideas can seem like profound revelations.

>>13904 You needed drugs to feel like that? All it took for me was a doctorate in cognitive neuroscience.

>>14253 I'm but a wee NEET with no doctorate m'lord, but when I try to explain to people the brain as a chemical interface I might as well be assaulting them. People are so hopelessly deluded by their own individuality; being the specialist of boys to have ever existed. It's the same main character syndrome modern culture so egregiously articulates, but I find I rather enjoy how sensitive they are to the idea that they aren't a single infallible entity, but a collection of near incomprehensible chaos. You'll likely know of the story presented by a dying Neurologist, of whichever medical specialty, that had coached thousands of patients throughout the years on similar matters of mortality: It was a joke to him, getting in that MRI, "he's a doctor not a patient!" There's beauty in him being able to recognize that within himself, and knowing exactly why he was telling himself those lies. Because it's not the specialist little boy who's wrong for being afraid. That article was him holding his own hand.

>>13870 >The whole reason plants create psychedelic compounds is to destroy the minds of creatures eating them and to cause their death Those are called phytochemicals and you're mistaken. Most psychedelics are not phytochemicals(defensive poison), whereas caffeine and nicotine are. Shrooms? Reindeer eat them because it gets them high, and then the move the spores via their feces. Mutually beneficial to both organisms, and in fact can be argued the mushrooms evolved the Psilocybin specifically to attract and keep reindeer healthy, entirely opposite your point.

>>14255 You're thinking of a different mushroom amanita muscaria. That is the one reindeer eat.

>>14256 I assure you that I knew the name of Fly Agaric mushrooms before you informed me.

i find drugs a waste of time not because they cannot cause beneficial change or are harmful but simply because the effects of enlightenment do not last all that long. i would be better off practicing my ability to be enlightened without drugs rather than rely on a temporary effect of them

>>14257 The fly agaric mushroom does not contain the compound of psilocybin.

>>14258 Shouldnt it be easier to head toward that if you actually know what it should feel like from doing drugs a few times?

>>14266 That sounds like something a junkie would say. You have everything you need for enlightenment inside your brain and the outside world, drugs are just sensation seeking.

DMT is... Le natural?! Your brain makes DMT guys! What? Live a full life of many sober experiences and digest those experiences by microdosing DMT in your dreams and occasionally meditating? Nonsense, you lunatic. You should just consume a lifetimes worth of DMT in one sitting, it's not escapism it's le hecking medicine.

>>14558 Psychedelic drugs can sometimes give you the realization of what enlightenment is and why you should strive for it. In a culture that seeks sensation above everything else, this may be the most effective way of doing that. The biggest, most important piece of advice I've gotten I think is that the trip is just a trip, the important part is to go out into the world and really learn and do things.

>>14559 The experiences produced by vaping exogenous DMT are absolutely nothing like the experiences produced by endogenous DMT. If you ever actually tried it, you'd understand that using DMT for escapism doesn't really work. All it does is grow your catalogue of lived experience. Please never post here with your gay anti-drug propaganda again.

>>14560 I've gotten similiar realizations off weed edibles and stimulants especially during low tolerance use, nothing to do with le heckin based psychs. Just your brain pathways firing faster or firing alternate routes and realising new possibilities

>>14569 For me an intense weed high comes with too much paranoia and sedation to appreciate it really. And stims just make me stimmy. Psychedelics are notable for their ability to induce this "firing faster or firing alternate routes" without many unpleasant side effects or significant addiction potential.

>>14568 >The experiences produced by vaping exogenous DMT are absolutely nothing like the experiences produced by endogenous DMT That was my point you sad midwit queer. It doesn't have to make you feel really good or knock you out to be escapism. You are escaping reality.

if mk ultra was successful we wouldn't know about mk ultra

>>14647 >>14647 If it was unsuccessful they wouldn't hide it so much. Not an ethics issue, we know they did messed up stuff, but they haven't disclosed everything.

>>13867 >The Bible warns us that Satan isn't in Hell Maybe I think that the God of the Old Testament is a demon alongside Satan and this realm is just an energy trap, why else would there be finite energy, because of 'the plan', well it just seems fishy to me. None of it makes sense. Maybe psychedelics will help you understand things more, or maybe you'll wind up talking to demons which can happen, but you can usually identify them.

>>14899 The only reason it even got found out was because >1. It had a huge scope that is likely not even known to this day to people who were part of it, much like the nuclear program, where partitioning meant that any inquiries had to be manually compiled at the moment, and probably were no longer accurate by the time a report was created. >2. Incompetent and underpaid government employees improperly stored program documents and/or forgot to destroy them when the program allegedly shut down, which gave a limited view of what the program was about, the nonsense stuff was declassified, but the redacted stuff is the real interesting part. Drugs don't "create" anything, they just dull certain parts and accentuate certain parts of your consciousness, which means they let you focus more on things about that you otherwise would probably not. Most people are terribly dull, so the effects of a trip could just be done by meditation, isolation, and contemplation.

>>13880 >you would never consume LSD in a natural setting not pure LSD, no, but it's synthesized from Ergot, which is a naturally occurring fungus that blights wheat. it's been consumed intentionally and unintentionally for centuries, and there's (reasonable imo) speculation that it was used all the way back in the Greek mystery schools. you mentioned DMT, and pure DMT is also not naturally occurring, it has to be extracted from plants. to be clear I'm not arguing against your viewpoint, just adding some info you happen to be missing.

>>14902 >redacted stuff is the real interesting part. What are interesting redacted bits?

>>14647 Freedom of information act

am i on fuarrrking /x/ - paranormal?

>>14647 if it was successful our knowledge of it wouldn't matter, and that's exactly how things played out. people don't know the half of mk utlra anyway, most of the documents on it were "destroyed", people who worked on mk ultra said that what the public has access to are basically just boiler plates, and are worthless. i'll flood your house with cyanide gas if you dont let me post, sugma.

>>13889 You needed LSD to figure that out? Lmao.

Since this is kinda relevant (more of a monarch thing), I want to ask about brain lateralization and how much one can use neuroplasticity to hack yourself. I don't even know why you would but I like the idea. For example splitting a message in two and sending them to different hemispheres or even the different parts of the same hemisphere. So far I can think of ambidexterity and writing the messages or reading parts of a message with one eye closed. Im not that smart but I think it's cool

>>15884 >our knowledge of it wouldn't matter That's wrong and you know it.

>>13870 >LSD doesn't occur in nature Ergot does though, which is where we get LSD. >>13876 for every person who takes psychs unprepared and benefits, there's another who has a schizoid "revelation." Most people are better off meditating or journaling or something. These days just spending a week without the wired is probably just as profound as a productive psych trip for many. >>13903 >demons aren't real well we need _some_ word to explain the worst things people do that they themselves sometimes can't explain or justify. it's a fine catch-all, at least for people without certain kneejerks.

>>15959 Does ergot actually have lsf or does it help make LSD? You could say the same thing about cocaine maybe idk. I would use LSA as a better example if that's the case

>>15980 I mistyped. Obviously I mean LSD and not lsf