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Did anyone here try to make meth? SWIM is thinking of making fake adderall pills, what do you think?

>>1381 I have not tried making meth. If you want to make fake adderall pills, don't be a dick. Just buy powder amphetamine online (dark web) and pill it for a profit. Lower risk. Lower effort. Good profits. And nobody gets fuarrrked over (meth and adderall are very very different). Or just sell your meth as meth. But please don't sell meth as adderall, you will be seriously fuarrrking people over. Also, if you aren't so great with chemistry, consider just oxidizing the hydroxyl group in pseudoephedrine to obtain methylcathinone.

>>1382 >meth and adderall are very very different methamphetamine and amphetamine are litterally the same drug, the only difference is that meth acts longer. I think there was even a study about people having meth and adderall (and a control group) and people couldn't discern between meth and adderall.

>>1382 >if you aren't so great with chemistry, consider just oxidizing the hydroxyl group in pseudoephedrine to obtain methylcathinone SWIM is thinking of doing that with Ma Huang tea extract (ephedrine from ephedra), much cheaper than pseudo pills.

>>1382 >oy vey goyim, don't you try to combat our pharma industry with your cheap and more effective drugs you deserve to get shanked

>>1383 >methamphetamine and amphetamine are the same holy soykaf lain are you serious this isn't a thing

>>1383 dexamp and methamp aren't the same thing you dingus. methamp is mainly popular because its easy to make and cheap, its really not a very good drug. now 4-fa, that's a great fuarrrking drug

>>1386 Fentanyl is cheaper and stronger than tylenol, why even bother with anything else?

>>1386 I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. I never said don't cook meth, I just said don't lie to people about what you are selling them. I even went so far as to suggest an alternative, easier to synthesize compound for the chemistry-averse to help AVOID dependence on the pharmaceutical industry. >more effective As an aside, while meth is more potent per mg and lasts longer, not everyone is looking to get geetered. For some people, the longer half-life and higher recreational potential might be a downside (such as someone buying adderall pills for work with the expectation that they will be able to sleep sometime in the next 36-72 hours after dosing).

>>1392 >geetered >20 mg of meth on pills You are an idiot

>>1390 false equivelancy meth and amphet have same pharmacodynamics

>>1392 also >neurosuggesting amphetamines aren't neurotoxic wut?

>>1396 Amphetamine is also neurotoxic, however meth is generally considered to be more neurotoxic for a variety of reasons (increased affinity for pre-synaptic serotonin transporter [1,2,6] as a possible explanation of visible damage to serotonin system [3], much stronger inhibition of MAO activity) There is also putative evidence that methamphetamine is directly neurotoxic to dopamine neurons [4], although I was unable to find a public copy of the source to confirm / deny this. Amphetamine is instead thought to only cause indirect damage to dopamine neurons via oxidative stress. [5] This paper [6] demonstrated that methamphetamine exposure in mice led to depletion of serotonin and noradrenaline, whereas a similar study using amphetamine [7] found only dopamine depletion in mice brains post-exposure. (I believe these were done using acute exposure). A later paper [8] found that methampetamine exposure also leads to dopamine neuron deficeits. I'd be very interested in finding a study or review that attempts a direct comparison of the neurotoxicity of meth / amph, since cherry-picking the literature can only demonstrate so much. If you happen to find one that shows similar net effects on cognitive function I'd be willing to concede that the overall impact on brain function is equivalent, otherwise it seems as if methampetamine has a higher propensity for direct and indirect neuronal damage for a wider variety of targets. A review that I skimmed while assembling this mess of a post might also be useful [9] (attached since it wasn't available publicly that I could see) [1] https://pdsp.unc.edu/databases/pdsp.php?receptorDD=&receptor=&speciesDDRadio=speciesDDRadio&speciesDD=3&species=&sourcesDD=&source=&hotLigandDD=&hotLigand=&testDDRadio=testDDRadio&testLigandDD=1882&testLigand=&referenceDD=&reference=&KiGreater=&KiLess=&kiAllRadio=all&doQuery=Submit+Query [2] https://drugs-forum.com/threads/amphetamine-vs-methamphetamine-potency-in-depth-pharmacological-differencies.261785 [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2731235/ [4] Malenka RC, Nestler EJ, Hyman SE (2009). "15". In Sydor A, Brown RY. Molecular Neuropharmacology: A Foundation for Clinical Neuroscience (2nd ed.). New York: McGraw-Hill Medical. p. 370. ISBN 978-0-07-148127-4. "Unlike cocaine and amphetamine, methamphetamine is directly toxic to midbrain dopamine neurons." [6] Morgan CD, Cattabeni F, Costa E (1972) Methamphetamine, fenfluramine and their N-dealkylated metabolites: effect on monoamine concentrations in rat tissues. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 180(1):127–135 [7] Fuller R, Hemrick-Luecke S (1980) Long-lasting depletion of striatal dopamine by a single injection of amphetamine in iprindoletreated rats. Science 209(4453):305–307 [8] Ricaurte GA, Guillery RW, Seiden LS, Schuster CR, Moore RY (1982) Dopamine nerve terminal degeneration produced by high doses of methylamphetamine in the rat brain. Brain Res 235(1):93–103 [9] Toxicity of amphetamines: an update, doi=10.1007/s00204-012-0815-5

>>1398 welp, SWIM is already on my way of making meth and selling it as adderall pills soo.... thanks ?

>>1389 >some soykafty RC is better than the time (and nazi) tested meth

Morals aside, wouldn't selling the meth as meth be more profitable? Seems like people would pay more for an actual drug than a prescription nootropic Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>1402 Depends on where you are and who you are selling it to, meth is getting very cheap these days since the Mexican cartels decided to flood America with it. The best plan would be to do a cheap value add, put the meth into small dosed gel tabs of 5-10mg each. Very simple to do with no pill press required but you are now selling meth by the milligram rather than the gram which gives a massive boost to your profits. University students would be your best market, they are used to buying adderall but are probably a little afraid of crystal meth so selling them gelatin "energy cubes" for $2-4 a pop could be very lucrative.

>>1402 I did the numbers and no, it actually isn't. It's much much more profitable to sell it in pill form since you put about 20 to 30 mg a pill. Not to mention that uni students that want a boost is much bigger audience than meth heads like >>1429 said.

>>1430 Do you have any experience with a pill press? Getting all the equipment you need and pressing pills that are good enough replicas to sell as Adderall will be more difficult than obtaining (or manufacturing) meth.

>>1436 Pill press is not needed when you have capsules Wowie buddy, you seem hellbent to change my mind for some reason

>>1437 I'm not >>1436 , but I am also wanting you to change your mind; as someone who uses adderall (legally), and who is studying to work for pharma companies as an organic chemist, you will fuarrrk up someone's life if they are wanting to use dextroamphetamines and you give them them amphetamines. Plus, with adderall as popular as it is, it would be extremely suspicious to get it in a capsule, when pills are so readily available, and their codes can be looked up online to verify that it is what it says it is.

>>1438 >you will fuarrrk up someone's life meh >it would be extremely suspicious to get it in a capsule, when pills are so readily available not in europe >and their codes can be looked up online to verify that it is what it says it is and who else knows how to do that besides organic chemists and people studying for pharma companies?

>>1442 >and who else knows how to do that besides organic chemists and people studying for pharma companies? Not him but: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pill+identifier First result (drugs.com) works wonders.

sounds like a good idea to me. meth is great. great for doing work, great for making money, great for totally destroying your life.

>>1447 >let me google that for you You are an idiot who can't read >>1449 Stop watching TV and eating up the government propaganda about "hard" drugs

>>1451 >>1442 Not him, but I am really confused by your reply. Anyone with a partially functional brain knows how to Google pill codes. If you are attempting to sell fake Adderall then your prospective buyers will be students for the most part, so it's not like Googling soykaf will be a foreign concept to them. Hell, they don't even have to go looking for the codes. All they would have to do is google "Adderall capsule" to see a description of some of the legit capsules on the market. They would immediately notice that your capsules do not match the pictures/descriptions they found online. It is also likely that some of your buyers would have experience with Addy, so they would realize that you sold them something else in fairly short order.

>>1451 I would be inclined to agree if I didn't see tweekers shuffling around town every day of my life.

>>1462 Those who don't want to continue buying don't need to The product is functional and effective >>1463 Your personal experience is subjective, it doesn't constitute objective reality

>>1464 Those who feel like they've been ripped off may be inclined to rat you out.

>>1466 lol k

waste of time

>>1536 how come?

>>1467 Bob: Siri, what is "Lawfare?" Siri: Bob, here's a Wikipedia article on Lawfare for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare

if it was the same i wouldnt feel the difference when you sell it to me and i wont be not coming back cause instead of studying I spent five hours talking to my roomate. big pharma is fuarrrked, they know adderall is very addictive and will make even the most focused person think "wow maybe i did have add im getting so much done". Unless your selling to fiends though your average kid trying to study will think "i took these new pills, i felt different, i got less done, guess its not for me".

How are you going to put them in blister packs? You will fail to make convincing fakes. Almost nobody can do it - if you could, you would make a killing in all sorts of markets like oxy. People looking for adderall are usually uni kids who are not stupid enough to fall for such obvious fake pharmaceuticals. You're an asshole, btw

>>1442 are you stupid btw. you should probably not sell anything. Idk how things work in europe but everybody looks up the fuarrrking number on the pill. That was the first thing I did when I bought adderall for my VERY FIRST TIME. I knew nothing about it, it just made sense I figured "huh these markings probably signify exactly what it is" and wowie they do? who are you selling these to im so confused. you seem so out of touch but yet your so defensive about this great idea that your actually lowkey insinuating we are trying to shut you down. as if you need validatiom from lainons that much and couldnt just fuarrrking do it, you seem like you dont know it will work. I feel like youve never sold in your life, and im questioning if youve bought anything with this "lol who looks that up besides chemists" soykaf. I also dont know a single person besides a fake dealer in my hall who never shuts up about his extensive drug knowledge and is a rich computer science major that sells things in those gel capsules you buy online. i can weigh out my own doses and put it in capsules ty. If your plan was to actually convince people you just got a prescription that happened to come in standard unlabeled capsules clearly sealed together by your hand ur doing great!!! keep up the good work!!! no ones stopping you go do it, execute your sick plan. especially because im not anywhere near you so i really dont care. even if your not trying to sell to college students (if your not still in hs) not even a junkie wants your stupid capsule he just wants to smoke his fuarrrking meth, and would prefer it in a baggie and again he doesnt want to have to just trust you put the right amount in there he wants to at least use his highly trained eye to estimate, if not weigh it. im just curious if only you're retarded or if you're retarded but so is the rest of wherever in europe you live in. Hey though give it a go, some people start dealing by reselling street soykaf at twice the cost to college kiddies and some people buy meth online put it in gel caps and say its adderall so that its harder to sell to meth heads and super students. Its just come to my attention that you might be a meth head which would explain why you are so fixated on executing this roundabout retarded way to illegaly make less money with more risk. Again when you say "no id actually make more money selling it as pills" your neglecting how much quicker the actual meth would sell then lainons magic mystery pills he claims are adderall even though as far as I know the only adderall that comes in a capsule pill is XR which has a very unique pill casing and beads you will not be able to replicate without it being more trouble then its worth. you also provided no reason not to just do >>1382 you just said "THEY ARE THE SAME". okay? that doesnt change how extra your being. We have two options we can sell the actual active ingredient or we can use meth, and you choose #2 because...? Why are you so fixated on selling meth as adderall when you can get the active ingredient. Ah soykaf my recipe calls for cinnamon let me haul my ass all the way to tha store to just get nutmeg its basically the same. Like why whats the point, and then im also positive no matter what country you are in methamphetamine is either scheduled higher then amphetamines, or you dont need as much on you to get fuarrrked over. Even if its equivalent good luck trying to get sympathy for selling METHHH AASS ADDERALL because even if the chemistry genius u are says they are the same society isnt going to care! meth is a very naughty word by itself. Let alone you selling it as prescription meds which just instantly sounds pure evil especially because like it wasnt necessary to start with. now before you ask "why do u care! are you big pharma trying to stop me". 1. if you are just on some sort of meth induced power trip i dont actually care i just only realized it was a possibility after. 2. because i think you maybe are 13-20 (with a exponential decrease in intelligence every yr after 16 reaching mongoloid levels at 19) and you think this is some cool edgy plan and need to just sit in the corner with a dunce cap. i had similar idiotic evil master plabs (but not this fuarrrked up or dangerous) when i was younger and what helped me was someone making fun of me because then i felt too ashamed to try. am i trying to make you feel ashamed, you probs should be but not really. im honestly just basking in the glory and privilege of not being dropped on my head as a child enough to come up with this idea and then actually defend it, thats the real crazy bit. I woulnt have been so bewildered if you didnt act like looking up pill #s was some crazy thing only nerds do and then also tell someone their subjective experience doesnt matter b/c it isnt objective when everything youve said in this entire thread makes me think that on average u only interact with somebody who does drugs about everytime you post here or look in the mirror. to be honest meth does destroy lives, thats how my dad died, one of our friends dropped out of college and managed to quit but just substituted it with cocaine/ketamine, and the people i know who are fine now that did it still say it destroyed many of their relationships. there is no "anti meth propaganda" lol. WoAh man the government doesnt want us to know theres a drug that lets us jack off forever and take apart appliances and put them back together and see shadow people when weve stayed up for the fifth night in a row not eating because im getting 10x the amount of dopamine smoking shards of glass then i get from eating food. what is the conspiracy man, only white people do meth idk about europe but thats not who we like to lock up in the land of the free. try crack vs cocaine and then we are talking govt propaganda.

>>1636 too long didn't read butthurt?

>>1637 lol guess i was right.

>>1636 Nice post. It made my day.