First psychedelic drug

Thoughts on a Morning Glory extract as a first psychedelic (and first drug ever)? Never really took anything psychoactive other than caffeine before (no alcohol, tobacco, marijuana). I wanted to try LSD but the thought of getting fake LSD from a vendor is too scary. Magic mushrooms seem relatively simple to cultivate, but picking the "wrong" shroom can/will kill you, and it's also illegal. Morning glory cold water extraction is easy, cultivation seems easy, safe and also legal. The downside is that LSA is much weaker/less potent than LSD and that the extract can also be nauseous. Thoughts? Is morning glory seeds/LSA a decent first drug to try out?

I haven't tried it personally, but I've heard from a couple friends that it is quite nauseating and is usually not worth it. >I wanted to try LSD but the thought of getting fake LSD from a vendor is too scary Fake LSD is quite uncommon nowadays, and it's easy to tell when it's fake anyway. Real LSD is tasteless, is orally active, and glows under blacklight. If it's bitter, it's a spitter. It is also very cheap in most places.

>>13623 I have heard the same, that it is uncommon, but I believe that I would still rather go down the DIY and "legal" route than to try and find a dealer. I don't have many friends, it would be tricky to even find the stuff, I believe, Shrooms might be easier tho, considedring that the spores are legal to buy as far as I'm aware. I'm also considering HBW instead of Morning Glory. since it has bigger seeds. Seems better in order to avoid the toxic external metabolytes, as I can remove the outer layer of the seed more easily with less seeds.

>>13623 Fake LSD is nice as long as it's not an N-bomb. DOM and DOB can be just as profound.

>>13623 Test kits are available in most countries, its a sure way to verify that what you're actually getting is in fact LSD and not nbome compound or some other dangerous soykaf.

The worst part about LSA/Morning Glory Seeds is the vasoconstriction, very uncomfortable body load. not worth it IMO.

>>13630 The issue is getting the test kit safely and in a discreet manner. It's also additional cost. >>13631 Thanks. Would you advise going for shrooms, instead? If so, do you have any prep methods that you recommend for a newbie? What dose? >>13628 Just read a little into these substances, but I'm afraid of the side effects in case the dosage is higher than advertised? Psychonaut wiki says that high doses can be associated with violent behavior. I'm worried about this since I would be taking this while my gf would sit me, and I don't want to take this risk. This doesn't happen with pure lsd or other traditional psychodelics, does it? Legitimately curious here. I know that alcohol and things like cocaine can trigger violent behavior, but never heard about anything like this when reading about psychedelics.

>>13631 I'm the op and also >>13634. Doubleposting to ask, is there any prep that could possibly avoid the side effects? I heard that completely removing the outer shell and chewing the inside thing can help, have you tried HBW seeds without the outer coat? If you did, did it also feel like soykaf?

Shrooms are very easy and fun to grow and it's rewarding. If you don't have your own place it's tougher, but the risk of getting caught is very low as long you're not stupid about it. No risk of picking the wrong shroom either if you grow them yourself. Look up PF tek or uncle bens for an easy way to get started. Shroomery.com has a lot of good resources on it.

>>13634 I get my test kit From protestkit, its a legit cleaenet website, they accept bitcoin and ship to most package pickup points all across europe. order through tor and use a fake name, random address around your chosen pickup point and a throwaway email in the ordering process. The packaging and the name of the company on the shipping label doesn't arise any suspicions. If you're outside of Europe then I can't be of any help but I'm sure there is a way. I would highly recommended sticking to LSD as your first psychedelic substance as it's the most proven and researched drug out there as well as being the most manageable while tripping.

>>13637 do you test for fentanyl? soykaf's fuarrrking scary I'm worried about my first trip

>>13638 You can use fentanyl test strips. Just dissolve a small piece of the blotter in water, preferably distilled but tap water should work too. Dip the strip in the water and you get your result. There is no reason for the manufacturer to spike blotters with fentanyl really, unlike with stimulants in the case of psychedelics it would only dull the effects and lead to an inferior product. Also there is not enough space on a blotter for an amount of fentanyl that could have any effect. If anything it would have to be carfentanil which is even stronger. I personally do it and if you are worried then you should too. It's mainly for peace of mind. any doubts you have in you about the purity of the product will have negative effect on your trip and you could end up freaking out thinking whether it was spiked or not - that is what happened to me during my first trip. The blotters were pure when I later tested them, I just got paranoid. Ever since then I do a full test on anything I take. In my mind it's the safest approach. Oh and the test strips (or at least the ones i got) detect both fentanyl and carfentanil as well as a bunch of other derivatives btw so they got you covered.

>>13639 yea I'm definitely gonna test it, I can see myself getting paranoid and fuarrrking up the trip even if its not likely contaminated

>>13623 Correct me if I'm wrong but Magic Mushrooms (psilocybin) are the most safe psychedelic drugs (and drugs overall). Literally 0 potential to get addiction or permanent side-effects if you ingest correct mushroom. >https://www.shroomery.org LSD is also pretty safe and has practically zero chance for building an addiction. Some (a minority) may get persistent visual effects, though (usually after mega-dosing). You could also go the deliriant route (but not recommended). Probably the safest way is to use OTC Benadryl (diphenhydramine) but you need to be careful because Benadryl can contain other ingredients than diphenhydramine (it depends on the country and the exact variant you buy). Fly amanita is only for the very careful and very experienced user. Another option would be mirtazapine but idk how safe it is to (ab)use? Someone who is more knowledgeable can probably comment on that? Mirtazapine is anti-depressant (although it very often used for sleep issues) but I think there is a risk of getting serotonin syndrome (intuitively, I would guess that it's lower because it doesn't block reuptake, unlike SSRI and SNRI classes of drugs). >https://erowid.org/pharms/diphenhydramine/ && https://erowid.org/pharms/diphenhydramine/diphenhydramine_dose.shtml >https://erowid.org/pharms/mirtazapine/ Keep in mind that deliriants and their effects are a lot scarier vs. psychedelics.

>>13645 Forgot dosage link for Mirtazapine: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Mirtazapine Again, I don't know if it's safe to trip on Mirtazapine. Also, If you are desperate enough, you might get the idea to try nutmeg but I don't recommend it. It's horrible.

>>13645 Mushrooms and LSD are about the same when it comes to safety. Both pose no risk of physical addiction, only a possibility of psychological addiction - think kinda like being addicted to social media or masturbation, as in its all in your psyche not in your body. The persistent visual effects are called hallucinogenic persisting perception disorder, all psychedelic drugs including shrooms and even some other psychoactive substances like weed carry a certain risk of it occurring. Its not like you get stuck in a permanent trip though, it's only slight remnants of certain visual effects that stay - most commonly the enhanced colors or tracers. Not exactly convenient but its possible to live with and usually subsides after a couple of months at most. The reason why I recommended sticking to LSD is because it's just a more gentle and straightforward trip. You come up, you peak and you come down. Shrooms are less controlable and a rollercoaster with tons of ups and downs, if you're having a bad trip it can make you anxious about the next peak and feel like it'll never end. The mushrooms also don't taste great and can often upset your stomach, small inconveniences like this can have a significant impact on the quality of your trip if you're a first timer.

>>13647 I should've specified it but when saying mushrooms and LSD are about the same when it comes to safety I meant it assuming that you do test your blotter with a test kit. If you aren't able to test it then yeah, shrooms are the safer alternative, nobody puts NBOME in shrooms. Sorry for double posting.

>>13645 This is very tempting to be honest. An OTC drug, that is. Dunno how to find a dealer yet, nor do I have any 'druggie' friends. Mirtazapine seems safe from the psychonaut wiki article, unfortunately it's not OTC. I'm not really desperate but I really wanna try something to see if it would lift me up or at least make me reflect on soykaf. >>13647 >>13648 Thanks, Ill keep that in mind if I decide to go shrooms. I would also prefer LSD because supposedly that's just one molecule to worry about, while shrooms can have a lot of other stuff that while mostly harmless, always comes with additional risk.

>>13651 >>13645 I just read the psychonaut wiki article on DPH. Seems way too unpredictable unfortunately. Thanks for sharing, though.

>>13623 Already replied to this thread but I guess it got nuked b/c underage b8 or something. My advice (same as before) is quite smoking weed and clean up your life. Once you are 21+ and have a decent grasp of things, then you can go taking psychs once a year (or less) to help "expand your mind" or something. Speaking from experience, it is better to wait (at the very least, wait until you have your own place and exactly 1 friend you trust with your life). Actual drug advice: - HWBR > Morning glory b/c less seeds is better - Buy certified organic seeds to avoid pesticides - No LSA is not a good psych to start with, the heavy body-load and nausea will make things harder than they need to be. - Don't just buy soykaf online, you won't get faked out but it is literally fake and gay, bad for your brain, etc. - Learn to pick mushrooms, use the shroomery, be careful, and go find some good ones (gourmet and psych) is the best approach. Psilocin+Psilocybin >>> other psychs IMO. Also: > picking the "wrong" shroom can/will kill you Literally just go to the shroomery, read, buy a mushroom book (I can offer recs if you want), read. Start picking, don't eat anything. Once you think you have identified something (ANY mushroom, not just psych ones), post a pic on the shroomery and they'll tell you what it is. Rinse and repeat, and you can safely find psychs within ~1-2 years (use the extra time to meditate and plan your life instead of getting h i g h). >, and it's also illegal If you are picking and not growing, it is only illegal from the moment you pick it to the moment it enters your stomach. This is "very little illegal". Replying to stuff: >>13628 - DOX (my exp is with DOC) suck, way to stimulating/forced, generally trash for actual introspection (which is the only decent excuse for psych usage) >>13645 >Literally 0 potential to get addiction or permanent side-effects if you ingest correct mushroom. Hey man I'm all about the mushrooms but lets not lie. Psych addiction can and does happen, I've seen the zombies myself. Rare but possible. Permanent side effects happen to enough people that I'm surprised anyone would claim otherwise. Schizophrenia in susceptible individuals (don't do psychs if you have a family history, easy), and HPPD in heavy-dosers and/or frequent users. >You could also go the deliriant route (but not recommended) I agree DPH is bad juju. A. muscaria is much better (also a very atypical combo of deliriant-dissociative iirc). >>13651 >This is very tempting to be honest. An OTC drug, that is. I don't recommend it. Only one worth anything for introspection is DXM, and most likely you will just end up chugging it and watching anime or some trash and burning your brain. >I'm not really desperate but I really wanna try something to see if it would lift me up or at least make me reflect on soykaf. Read some philosophy (life and death of socrates is a good place to start) and the books of moses + new testament. Way more genuinely uplifting than 90% of recreational drug use. Start exercising. Do some meditation. Come back to the psychs afterwards, and only if you really want to shake up your perspective. I'd apology for being a ranting turboglitterboy but I don't want OP to burn his time chasing "tracers and color shifting" while his life slips past. Oh also, OP, brew your own alcohol while you learn to ID mushrooms. Simple, cheap, legalish, saves you money when you are older.

>>13651 >Dunno how to find a dealer yet, nor do I have any 'druggie' friends. Same here, had to put up with cutting onions and ordering to a PO box, would help you out but we aren't allowed to discuss this stuff here. There is some risk an the prices are probably quite a bit higher than on the street but its always an option if you don't know the right people to get your soykaf locally. So far I had a good experience. Only one package went missing (unfortunately it was freebase DMT, the one I was the most excited about) but the vendor was honest and I got a refund so nothing of value was lost.

>>13623 Did it once before. You do trip but it fuarrrks up your stomach hard. I really wouldn't recommend it at all. Just grow mushrooms. Spores and kits are legal most US states if that's where you are. Europe too I think. Or just get LSD and a testing kit. Again, these kits are sold online pretty easily and legally.