Sociopaths handle drugs better

Has anyone else noticed this? Even some of the brightest people I know seemingly can't function on drugs for a prolonged length of time. The few people I know who can (including myself) definitely have sociopathic tendencies. My theory for the mechanism of this phenomenon is that: 1) Sociopaths already sort of regard everything as a drug; a means to an end. I can at least speak for myself. A good example is that I won't get lonely, but I'll eventually notice I'm not operating at full capacity and if I realize I haven't had any social interaction in a while, I'll go hang out with someone. Same with booze to talk or meth to fuarrrk. Taking drugs isn't a guilty pleasure, it's the most convenient way to achieve a goal. 2) Obviously the poor impulse control and reckless disregard for personal well-being plays a role. A lot of the explicitly defined symptoms of sociopathy could play a role. Hell, one of them IS chronic drug use. Personally I don't want to die, but it's not something I'm afraid of. And if I do die I absolutely want it to be in an overdose (from something other than stims). 3) Most non-sociopaths can't help but feel guilty when they're high because they didn't "earn" it, and because they're more susceptible to social pressure, all the negative connotations with drug users make them feel bad. Imagine caring about breaking the law lmao

I don't go around trying to figure out who is a sociopath so I've never noticed this

>>12894 You're not interested in psychology at all? You should learn about it. Really interesting stuff. I honestly think psych 101 should be a required class

>>12894 t. A drifter through life who doesn't make observations or judgments in case they are wrong

>>12895 Psychology is not a hard enough science at the moment to effectively include in a school curriculum. If you try to have it as a more humanitarian subject it opens up the possibility for indoctrination. I have no issue with it, because you just need to develop some basic form of critical thinking for it to not be a dramatic impact on you, but reactionary elements in every country with any semblance of democracy would oppose this and those that don't have it would establish a population control through it. A university course on the basics and some group therapy seminars is a good idea.

>>12897 I guess you're not American. Here, we already have mandatory English classes, History classes, etc. Many places even force you to learn a foreign language like some gay European. None of these are hard sciences or STEM-related. This is both for high school (age 14-18) and university. And as much as I hate the concept of mandatory education, if we're gonna have it anyway I think we're better off with a more well-rounded default curriculum. We should expose every student to all ideas so the few who really take to each can thrive. It also gives each citizen a better general understanding of the world which makes them better vot

>>12895 I just don't think it would be reasonable to expect to be able to understand another person's psyche deeply unless you know them very very well, and I also think clinical psychology is almost all bullshit.

>The second general point to be learned from the bitter lesson is that the actual contents of minds are tremendously, irredeemably complex; we should stop trying to find simple ways to think about the contents of minds, such as simple ways to think about space, objects, multiple agents, or symmetries. All these are part of the arbitrary, intrinsically-complex, outside world. They are not what should be built in, as their complexity is endless; instead we should build in only the meta-methods that can find and capture this arbitrary complexity. Essential to these methods is that they can find good approximations, but the search for them should be by our methods, not by us. ^A good explanation of why DSM categories do not make for a very solid foundation for predicting human behavior.

>>12898 Yeah, I'm not American but the school system is the same as you describe, lainon. Also, you sound like you came from 1995-2005 era, not that it's a bad thing. Everybody who lurks on the web knows some general things about how the US schools work, just like anime and manga fans know how the Japanese school works. You start to see common elements in different things and construct an idea. Personally, I think elementary and middle school are fine generally, but high school should be more of a simulation of college with people constructing their own curriculum and being able to get credits for out of school academic or other noteworthy activities. >>12900 So you're saying that we need to employ the scientific method instead of phylosophy to understand how the mind works? Seems self-explanatory to me, even though I'd argue that both methods should be used in conjunction.

>>12901 >So you're saying that we need to employ the scientific method instead of phylosophy to understand how the mind works? No, I'm saying that we should despair entirely of ever understanding how the mind works, and maybe AI will be able to do an ok job of it for us eventually, but we will never understand. Until then we should acknowledge all premises as wrong enough that the more logic you build on top of them the more wrong the conclusions end up being, so more humble approaches like guessing and heuristics should be preferred.

>>12899 post is picrel, language enhancer doesn't like something I said. >Go away spammer!

>>12910 Psychology isn't a hard science, but it's a useful tool for understanding why people do the things they do, like how sociology is for understanding societies. Simply having terms for certain behaviors is very useful. A "meth momma" who views her kids as drugs sounds like she may have some sociopathic tendencies lol To the euro user who do we won't know what he's talking about: Can we stop derailing my thread? My thesis is that the more sociopathic you are, the easier it is to handle long term drug consumption. I've obviously met non sociopath people who do a lot of drugs, but the drug use always changes them for the worse or even kills them. Imo the drugs are clearly holding them back, whereas ime drugs have a mostly positive impact on sociopathic people. Stuff like weed and psychedelics have def made me more empathetic.

>>12921 Some people say that the whole mystical tradition that turned into religious practices came from ancestor worhisping and schizophrenic shamans distributing psychodelic substances. You know, the whole jesus is a mushroom thing that came from the 60s dead sea scrolls translations. Plus I don't think making claims as wide as "druggs" is helpful. It seems reasonable to suggest that some people who are neurodivergent would react to some substances differentlybfrom the general population. That's not really controversial I think. The question is what drugs in what combination in what doses for how long and what are the external factors? There were experiments on people on the fringe of society with drugs, you know. Like MK Ultra that has the Manson family and Unabomber as their achievements. Those two were definitely not ok before and much worse after that program (Although there really is a reasonable debate whether Unabomber is insane, his writing, at least a part of it is shockingly convincing and reasonable, you understand his reasoning even if you don't agree, but so is Mein Kampf to a lesser extent to be honest. I suppose it depends whether you consider deaths of millions of people an unavoidable thing so you should just take control and do it yourself or is it a tragedy tha twe should try to avoid). So historic evidence sure doesn't back this theory up in my opinion