/roll/ --MDMA central

At this point it's become tradition for my brother and I to take a soykafload of molly for NYE. It's hardly a rave but it's always a great time, and it always helps me get out of my gigasperg head a little. What've been your experiences with this stuff?

I used to do and sell a lot of it. Wonderful stuff and it is a crime that it isn't legal in any capacity because it really can do a person a whole lot of good in terms with working with emotional spaces and the self. I could say the same for something like Ketamine, in lower doses at least. fuarrrk the drug war. But yeah it really is like kicking dead whales down the beach when you get cut off from it. Most of the stuff nowadays is just RC's though. Not that those can't also be beneficial but real MDMA is something special. In the same way that real acid is. I feel bad for the younger people in the drug scene because they will likely never get the real experience.

I've only done it once, might would try it again but I'm not gonna go out of my way to get any. Wasn't super impressed with it overall, though, kinda felt like the whole experience was "forced" in a way that acid isn't (like, feelings of empathy simply being drug-induced vs realization/thought-based). It was worth the experience.

>>12034 This makes me wonder. If the empathy is forced could there be an effect of repeated use causing decreased empathy from a downregulation of receptors? Or would it increase from strengthened neural pathways?

Real actual MDMA molecules are pretty boring. If you get "e pills"/"molly" which is actually meth, that's fun. I don't even think I'm in the minority with this experience. Every single person I've met who claims to love ecstasy always describes their "trip" as giving them tons of energy, keeping them up all night, and making them really horny, 3 effects that are clearly indicative of a meth high and clearly not from MDMA. People are just squeamish about admitting they enjoy meth because of successful propaganda.

My favorite drug. I take it a few times every year. The only bad thing I can say about it is that when you take a little too much, the down-regulated serotonin receptors may leave you feeling mentally drained for a month, and if you take a lot too much it can really fuarrrk you up for a long time. So practice harm reduction and get enough rest after you do it. I only do it a few times a year and keep my doses around 120mg now because I have an afterglow for a week and no hangover at that dosage. >>12031 >Most of the stuff nowadays is just RC's though. Not that those can't also be beneficial but real MDMA is something special. In the same way that real acid is. I feel bad for the younger people in the drug scene because they will likely never get the real experience. That was true during the 00s, but for at least the past 10 years, real MDMA is widely available thanks to darknet marketplaces and new methods of large-scale synthesis which don't require any difficult-to-acquire precursors. I use reagent tests on any molly I get. I've never personally encountered anything that wasn't MDMA. >>12070 I always test my molly and it's always been MDMA and I always love it. I'd be interested in hearing more details about your experience with MDMA, what about it you found it boring, and if you had been doing anything at the time that may have weakened the experience. >giving them tons of energy This is setting dependent to some degree, but definitely a potential effect of MDMA. It is a stimulant after all. When I've rolled at raves and concerts, MDMA gives me energy to dance for 2-4 hours straight. Rolling at home with friends is more chill, but there's still a hyperactive feeling to it, even if we are just rubbing each other in the shower and saying a bunch of corny lovey soykaf, or cuddling in a bed saying "oh my god i can't believe how soft this bed sheet is" over and over. >keeping them up all night Again, it is a stimulant. It keeps me up for 5 or 6 hours after it hits, 8 or 9 if I redose once. That's a very common effect of it and pretty well documented. Doesn't keep you up nearly as long as traditional stimulants like ritalin, amphetamine or meth do, but it does keep you up for a while. >and making them really horny Every time I've talked to someone who was curious about trying mdma, they always ask me if it's true that it makes people horny, and I always say "you probably won't be horny, but you will probably want to have sex" because for most people, the sex isn't because they're horny, but because MDMA makes tactile stimulation feel really good, so you'll think at some point, "Even just rubbing this chair feels really good, and sex feels really good sober, so I bet sex would be insanely good right now," and your inhibitions are greatly lowered, so you're likely to say your thought out loud and others rolling will likely also agree and next thing you know, you're having an orgy. For that reason, I always let people know about that and make sure that everyone is aware of what people are comfortable with and consenting to before we take anything. Anyway, it is true that sex on MDMA is fuarrrking amazing, but it definitely misses that carnal sense of horniness that sober sex (or sex on more traditional stimulants) has. It feels less like sex and more like you're just exploring good physical sensations and enjoying making your partner(s) happy. Unless it's with a partner who you already have a deep romantic connection with, then it also has a really fantastic emotional aspect to it that traditional stimulants don't have. There are some people who do actually get horny on MDMA, but I think most people fall under the category of people I described instead. So I guess I sort of agree with you on this point, but with a footnote that it does make people more sexual. But I'm not dismissing your observation in its entirety. I do know one person who accidentally did meth instead of mdma, and there are countless people online who talk about "smoking mdma every and spending the whole time masturbating" who are definitely just on meth. I only disagree that it's as prevalent as you propose.

>>12075 My experience with actual MDMA is I want to talk about my feelings, hug people, and rub the floor. Thing is, I'm already a supertoucher while sober. I entirely lack the sense of smell and my other senses are pretty weak, so my sense of touch has always been somewhat enhanced. Maybe other people get more out of that aspect. As for the talking about feelings/heightened empathy component, I def can see how that'd be useful in therapy (which iirc was originally how MDMA was used) but it's not really what I'd consider a cool drug experience. I don't have too many emotional problems anyway, so the "healing" talks I usually had on MDMA never really did anything for me. Idk man, maybe I just needed to temper my expectations. Actual MDMA was sold to me as the ultimate drug for couples, but not only can I not get hard on it, I have no libido on it anyway. Oh, and then the crash is worse than the meth crash because it's such an emotional rollercoaster of a drug to begin with. PS: I wrote the above immediately after reading that you wanted to know about my experience without reading the rest of your post. Well I just read the rest of your post and your description of the experience lines up pretty closely with mine lmao. Different drugs for different thugs I guess

>>12077 >Idk man, maybe I just needed to temper my expectations. Actual MDMA was sold to me as the ultimate drug for couples, but not only can I not get hard on it, I have no libido on it anyway. I'm a lucky dude in that I usually don't have a problem getting hard on MDMA and when I do have an issue, it's only when peaking. But yes, most people struggle with it unless they take erection medicine, but I don't recommend mixing the two. Weirdly enough, other stimulants do totally kill my dick. 2cb is my favorite couples drug. You get some of the entactogenic emotional effects, energy, and tactile enhancement of MDMA, but it doesn't prevent you from getting horny and it doesn't affect your ability to get an erection at all. Unlike traditional stimulants, it doesn't make me feel like I'm almost overwhelmed with horniness and false confidence and doesn't leave me feeling dirty the next day. Traditional stimulants also blunt my emotional capabilities which I'm not fond of for couples sex. And I love the trippy feeling of my dick melting together with my partner's pussy and seeing the psychedelic visuals during sex. No crash and no hangover either. >I don't have too many emotional problems anyway, so the "healing" talks I usually had on MDMA never really did anything for me. Same. I had some great mental healing the first time I did MDMA, but that occurred while dancing and not talking to anyone and just taking in the effects of the drug. The "healing" talks are one of my most disliked parts of MDMA and MDMA culture. I truly don't mind if someone talks about something serious for a little, but some people will spend the entirety of the roll detailing every trauma they've ever had. I know it's selfish to say, but fuarrrk man, I'm risking having my serotonin receptors downregulated for the next month for a fun time, not to hear about someone's dead friends or abusive exes. I'm truly happy to help and glad that they're able to work through those issues a little during the roll, but damn let me spend some of the roll just having fun and doing what I want to do. That's one of the reasons I don't do coke much. Almost everyone I know who does coke will spend the whole time talking and talking and talking about whatever they're sad about and doing drugs to escape from.

>>12105 You think that's a selfish thing to say, try this MDMA experience on for size: My gf was sobbing in my arms about a rape she experienced... and I was just sitting there patting her back thinking "What a lucky guy, he got to take my gf's virginity. I sure wish I was doing that right now instead of doing this." That was the last time I ever tried MDMA. She had an afterglow from the experience so that was nice at least.

>>12112 >>12105 The healing soykaf only really 'works' when you're dealing with it yourself in your own head or someone who is sober does it. Spilling the tea while on it along with everyone is just plain rude and should be avoided. >2C-B Funny you mentioned that. I made the original 2C-B thread on here for that reason. Until NYE 2022/2023 2C-B was honestly way preferred by me for that reason. The music enhancement is better but when you fine tune your dosages molly euphoria is just unbelievable. >Last time I ever tried MDMA Try MDMA + Ket that is probably going to be less that and more mutually enjoyable.

>>12070 > giving them tons of energy, keeping them up all night, and making them really horny, Yes MDMA does that. Not sure what you're trying to do here. >>12031 > I feel bad for the younger people in the drug scene because they will likely never get the real experience. See I don't understand this sentiment because there's clearly tested MDMA out there, everywhere.

>>12192 MDMA and ketamine? That sounds awful to be honest. I wouldn't expect those drugs to have any synergy at all. I get that people tend to do them in similar environments but they have opposite effects. Ketamine is the most clinical, sterile feeling dissociative and MDMA is the most lovey-dovey of the stimulants. Do you mind sharing your experience doing that combo?

>>12195 They don't really have 'opposite' effects. The K tempers the raw emotiveness while bringing in a more psychedelic component. The other person's gonna be way likelier to just shut up and enjoy hugging and feel themselves rather than chat your ear off. MDMA is a psychedelic (MDA) that got crippled by attaching a molecule chain to it. By dissociating you can reawaken that component and the whole thing becomes a lot more about 'vibe' than I WANT TO COVER *THIS* RIGHT *NOW* type egotism.

>>12197 You know that actually makes sense. I probably wont try it anytime soon but good to know nonetheless. Do you have any experience combining DXM and MDMA?

>>12201 MDMA and DXM is a combination that can cause Serotonin Syndrome, a drug combination that can be deadly. This is according to Psychonaut Wiki. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/DXM#Toxicity_and_harm_potential https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome

>>12201 It's dangerous and unpleasant. Don't. >>12214 This

>>12214 Wait, then so would ketamine and DXM because they're both NMDA receptor antagonists. So ketamine and MDMA is definitely terrible for you as well? Yep: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21497593/ Don't take your advice on which drug combos to do from anonymous internet strangers folks.

I just got some MDMA, and im planning to roll at a rave coming up. I want to try out a small amount before i decide to fully roll, but Ive heard that you need to wait a minimum of 5 weeks before rolling again. should i try a 10-15mg dose and then roll the following week?

>>12367 1) Is it tested? 2) Are there going to be people you know there 3) How are you getting there? 4) Is this your first rave? If it's tested, you have the ability to walk/get driven there and you either know someone there or at least vaguely familiar with the culture/venue? Take it ahead of time so that you're already on it by the time you go through the door.

>>12222 DXM has some serotonergic activity while being an NMDA antagonist first and foremost. Ket is just a simple NMDA antagonist. I don't know how does the article relate to this. DXM, similar to anti-depressants, inhibits the reuptake of serotonin. MDMA is a serotonin releasing agent. These don't mix and when you do mix them, you get the serotonin syndrome.

>>12367 15mg is hardly worth it if you really want the experience. Why risk a tolerance? Take 120+ your first time and just let it take you. It's really quite a gentle drug if you let it do its thing. Maybe 30 then 60 an hour later

>>12401 >15mg is hardly worth it if you really want the experience whats the lowest I can take to honestly be able to say I took it while experieincing as few effects as possible

>>12402 Not that lain but seconding that 15mg is not going to be noticeable. Taking a low dose to get a feel for the effects is also just a bad idea in general. MDMA works by releasing your serotonin, if you take enough to feel anything now, you'll have less serotonin during the rave and some of your serotonin receptors will be downregulated, which means your roll at the rave will be weakened and you'll be more likely to have a hangover instead of an afterglow. MDMA has a sweet spot for dosing, so there's no reason to dose a small amount or a large amount. Too little and you'll feel either nothing or just boring effects. Too much and you stop feeling better and start having more bad side effects. You only have so much serotonin and so many serotonin receptors. Don't fall in the trap of "wow 100mg feels amazing, 200mg will feel twice as amazing" because it won't. My thought is also to just wait for the rave. A rave is a fuarrrking incredible environment for a first roll. Drop 100-120mg and you'll have a great time. Take some magnesium to reduce jaw clenching, wear something cool (temperature wise) and soft to the touch, drink enough water, don't drink too much water, and remember to pee (MDMA suppresses the part of your body that tells you to pee, so you'll end up retaining water if you don't force yourself to pee once in a while. And it will feel fuarrrking good). You might (but probably won't) get anxious during the come up. If you're worried about that, drop at home about an hour before you want to be at the rave, then have someone drive you to the rave after it hits (the anxiety will be completely gone once it hits). If you have to take it while at the rave for some reason, just do it and don't worry about. If you do have come up anxiety, just go to the bathroom and wait it out. You might also have to poop as soon as it hits, so the bathroom is a good place to be anyway. But I stress that this anxiety will be gone completely after it hits and that it's a low chance you'll experience this in any case. Check rollsafe for some more harm reduction info. Are you going alone or rolling with friends?

Took it for the first time this weekend. I think I don't want to die anymore.

how long i can keep MDMA crystal in room temperature before it goes bad? I have probably 1600mg left, really good stuff but no idea what do with it, as you can safely dose only 2,3 times a year and i am friendless shutin

>>12651 harm reduction is a stupid reddit myth, just binge what you have over a week, 1.6g is enough for a handful of really good nights if you keep the fun "rolling"...

>>12654 You have no idea what the term "harm reduction" means. Lain wasn't even talking about that, just practicing personal moderation.

>>12642 Good to hear! Any hangover or mood drop now that it's been a few days? >>12651 It's super stable. Keep it in a baggie away from moisture and it'll be fine for the rest of your lifetime and then some. >>12654 This guy is just trying to give you brain damage.

>>12658 >Good to hear! Any hangover or mood drop now that it's been a few days? Just very tired. Bit of teenaged love type melancholia. Lots of regrets I didn't do this sooner. I feel like this might've helped me not resent people under the guise of being shy as much. So much of my BS is self inflicted.

Sorry to bump an old thread but 420chan is ded and I need somewhere to talk about this I took around 100mg of molly this weekend at an edm festival, it tested very pure but had a purple color to the crystals. Was a lot of fun but the nausea and anxiety on the come up ruined me, especially the nausea. If my girlfriend wasn't there to lay in the tent with for awhile I would've been miserable, even though my friends were really nice I don't think they could've given me the sort of physical attention I needed. Otherwise though it was surprisingly calm, I expected to feel "speedy" and energized but I could've taken a nap at certain points. It felt like brain sugar and I got a lot of visual blurryness, jaw clenching, hot/cold flashes, but the main thing was it made me very manic and my girlfriend got pretty concerned (she's not much for drugs but puts up with me tripping every couple years because she knows I generally behave myself otherwise). I think I liked parts of it but being surrounded by people freaks me out on a good day and I'd like to take it again at home with her in a few years or so, maybe play around with my pioneer deck and set up some color-changing lights. My main question is how I fend off the nausea. My friends told me to eat until I was stuffed, which I tried to do but festival food was not really something I wanted to stuff myself with. The other thing I was wondering is if the mania is something I should be concerned about, since my friends didn't get manic at all and I'm wondering what's up with that. Lasers in the rain, though. I wish I got a picture, I have this image of it burned into my brain but it fades with time. I don't normally like house music but john summit goddamn Hope everyone out there is doing good

>>13572 Nausea can be fought with >CBD >Ginger oil/concentrate/candied ginger hour and a half before >Zofran 2 hours before Mania Do edibles make you manic? If not have those a bit before. Rick simpson oil is usually made from rather stoning weed and highly concentrated. Overall though if no other stims or psychs make you manic I'd say it was the environment.

>>12654 >harm reduction is a stupid reddit myth weak troll but hilarious joke thanks lainon

>>13581 Zofran increases your risk for serotonin syndrome. Though I've got friends who have used it for a few festival rolls and were fine. >>13572 >My friends told me to eat until I was stuffed, which I tried to do but festival food was not really something I wanted to stuff myself with. This is bad advice in my experience. More food in your stomach means your come up will be prolonged and, for me, it makes the nausea worse. I prefer light meals before rolling. Last time I rolled, I just had a light breakfast and meal replacement drinks for lunch and dinner. Come up was smooth and only lasted 15 minutes. Don't pass on throwing up either. Some people hold it in because they're worried about wasting mdma, but by the time you're nauseated enough to be able to throw up, you've digested enough to have a great roll. Don't pass on taking a dump either. Sometimes the bad feelings in your stomach are just because the serotonin release makes some people need to poop. Your anxiety will probably be lessened the next time you roll just because you'll know what to expect. Taking l-theanine an hour before you take the molly can also help with anxiety >The other thing I was wondering is if the mania is something I should be concerned about, since my friends didn't get manic at all and I'm wondering what's up with that. Can you be more descriptive? There a certain aspects of mania that are normal with rolls. Like other lain said, it can be your relation to the environment. Rolling at home is more likely to make you feel like cuddling in bed all night. Rolling at a festival can make you feel like dancing and chatting with strangers all night, or it can make you feel like laying in the grass and enjoying the lights and music from afar. Both are normal. >Lasers in the rain, though. I wish I got a picture, I have this image of it burned into my brain but it fades with time. I don't normally like house music but john summit goddamn Sounds like a great time. What festival was it?

>>13592 This follows my experience as well. Light meals make the experience nicer. You don't feel as 'heavy' and your body feels better. And with drugs in general: out is better than in. Shit or vomit if you have to. Get it out, you'll feel significantly better and have a better trip for it. Plus soykafting feel funny when rolling If you get real nauseous you can try figging. It'll get that ginger in your system real quick Do any of you take the generally recommended supplements before rolling? Does it help with the depression that comes after rolling? I've always felt like soykaf for ~3 days after taking MDMA.

>>13596 I've taken alpha lipoic acid, alcar, vitamin c, and vitamin e when rolling. I haven't noticed a difference with them, but they can't be hurting. I take 5htp for a week or so after. It seems to help but it's difficult to tell. Magnesium always makes a noticeable difference in jaw clenching, l-theanine helps noticeably with come up anxiety, and I've taken NAC for months between rolls and it helped reverse "losing the magic" tremendously. Avoiding overheating makes a noticeable difference. There was some study that noted the neurotoxic effects of mdma were only present if body temperature broke a certain threshold, which maps well to my experiences. I usually have an afterglow, but whenever I spend considerable time in a hot tub or shower, I feel like soykaf after. Very sad as hot water feels incredible during a roll.

Had a very strong 2cb (50mg) + mdma (100mg) experience at a techno festival last weekend. When the smoke machine went off all I could see was fractals, I couldn't see straight nor understand conversations. I have nexus flipped with higher doses before, but this experience came on really strong, stronger than what I am used too. Could be the setting but I was out of it, couldn't string together coherent thoughts. Pretty cool though, was over after 3 hours and had a nice after glow.

>>13624 sounds good, kind of, but it would make it so that you can't interact with anyone. isn't mdma about actually connecting with the Other? we spend our life isolated and in inside our own heads except these few special times. so, if I can open up at a party, I don't want to waste it

>>13664 Yeah you're right, I was completely closed off and introspective, even well after the 2cb wore off. But I came around at the after party in the apartment where I had really good conversations (while on weed, coke and ket tbf). As I get older I notice festivals and crowded clubs are now for me anymore, too many impressions and people at once. Rather have a good house party.

i want to smuggle few small bits of crystal and maybe acid tomorrow for techno party - just for me and eventually second person. Where to hide it? Spots i thought about 1. ) in my wallet. My first thought, but they may check inside of wallet (how often they do that?) and worse - i can lose my crystal when handling cash and someone may see it. After further analysis - not a good idea 2. ) close it together in subtle sunglasses bag and hide it in my underwear, maybe even hang it on my cock. Pros - seems pretty safe, they have no right to make me take off my underwear rigtht? At worst they can decline getting into club which would suck major time as well. Cons - may be uncomfortable to walk. And i would have to dance it all the time with it in my pants or other take bag to another pocket after getting - again risking getting it lost.Also it would give me noticable bulge uwu - i mean bouncers touch inside the legs sometimes, tighs if they touch too high they may sense the bulge. 3.) Just take the full bag of facial tissue and hide crystal somewhere inside. I just got this idea and it seems genius in its simplicity. I hide some crystal in it, and honestly even knowing i put it there, and seeing open handkerchief from above - i dont see anything inside wiht my bare eye. I dont even need to know where exactly its hidden , after going in i go to toilet , there shake a bag of tissues - crystal falls on my hand, ingest it, profit. So anyway these are my ideas, you can share yours.

>>14077 Further analysis: if i put it into paper tissues bag - i need to know exactly in which tissue there is crystal - or to err on side of caution, distribute pieces of crystal over few tissues. Anyway its waste of time in toilet to search over bag frantically trying to find my crystal. I just remember which tissue from top it was yeah, still some risk of losing it in toilet. Further pros of sunglasses bag method - with jeans bulge is really not noticable even inside legs patting should not give me any problems - it cannot be sensed from that side. Its just that bag of handkerchiefs is something i usually take when going out so its one less thing to wear on myself - which is more confortable in that way.

>>14077 Sorry, bro, there's no good way to put this. You're gonna have to keister it. Nice and far up there just in case they make you do the squat-and-cough. I recommend putting it in a condom and coating it with a generous helping of Vaseline. That way you can tie off your ball of drugs and leave the other end right on the inside of the entrance to your no-no tunnel so that you can just grab and pull once you're through security. Make sure you're ready, when it gives way the tension on the condom can have a whiplash effect, resulting in the conspicuous sound of Vaseline-coated latex slapping the bathroom tile, possibly accompanied by a small pile of drugs scattering in all directions. I hope you don't plan on snorting any of it. I guess you could also just hide it under your taint or just put it in your wallet or maybe just get one of those slim scared-tourist wallets to strap to your armpit or whatever idk. If you wanna get really Sam Fisher Ocean's Eleven Sherlock Holmes about it, you could watch, I mean observe, I mean stake out the entrance for a minute and see if people are having to empty their wallets or what. You could also explore the possibility of entering the event without any contraband and then having someone throw it to you over a fence or whatever. Prerequisite: friends

>>14077 What did you end up going with?

>>14136 Hi anon sorry for late reply. I did go with sunglasses bag in my underpants, pretty perfect except once i almost left it on bathroom and once i felt it was coming down my legs during dance and i had to go to bathroom put it back into my pockets. This concert back when i was asking i was sober actually, not very conductive atmosphere but this gave me courage to try next week. Last saturday i gone totally alone to raves - i visited 2 clubs second was pretty cool (familiar comfy small venue) i did few small doses through the night and honestly i had tons of fun just getting totally concentrated on music and moving my body. Some girl showed me her phone maybe for contact but i am kinda asocial to be honest i did not talked to anyone. But it felt good to be around lot of other people, strangers in kind of wordless mutual understanding if you know what i mean. I felt high yet still pretty lucid i manged to came back on my own - left club at 6 AM and i was at home at 8AM even last 5 miles i just walked on foot. In next few days i had bits of the "afterglow", maybe mentally because i believed i got this substitute of social life i never had and i felt this spirit of rave, and i also felt good about myself - so brave for me to rave alone, felling like i am independent person who does not need a friends to do things, like someone who does not give a fuarrrk. Feeling so good i told my friends what i did when he asked how i danced so long sober. He was really shocked, he told me exstasy is worst soykaf you can do, that its better to do cocaine because you at least know what you ingest, that he knew people who got totally brainrot and insane from M. He also highlighted that he does not believe it was real M. I know its bit hipocritical for him to say that coke is always better - as it can be adultered as well, still he never was most rational, but he probably has more "street knowledge" than i am, from living years in pathology. So i thought about that, is he not right. Do you think MDMA is too demonized, given that according to rollsafe 87% of exstacy pils has no MDMA at all? Personally i did tested my stuff with this test that changes color to black if its : MDMA, 6-APB, MAPB , somethimg like that. But it also does only detect presence not detect how much of real stuff is in it and how much additives.

>>14198 It sounds like you used the marquis reagent. You can use Simon's reagent to differentiate between mdma, mda, and some RCs. That sounds like a normal roll, so I doubt you have anything to worry about >its better to do cocaine because you at least know what you ingest That's an insane statement. Cocaine is virtually always adulterated. I've tested coke that came back as positive for amph, meth, RC stimulants, and I haven't encountered any coke that didn't test positive for leva. Cocaine is also a lot more likely to have cross contamination with fent than mdma is. Back in the late 90s and 00s, mdma was harder to get, but real mdma is prevalent now. Laws changed that made the grey market research chemicals people passed off as mdma harder to produce, darknet markets made it easier for producers to get real mdma out, and some clandestine chemists claim they're using new synthesis routes that don't involve any difficult to acquire precursors. Accessibility of reagent tests and services like drugsdata help users confirm they've got the right stuff. Some people, like your friend, think ecstacy refers to "dirty molly" or vice versa, but they're wrong. Ecstacy and molly both are just names for mdma. >he knew people who got totally brainrot and insane from M He's right here. If you abuse it, it will fuarrrk up your brain. If you keep your doses reasonable and space out your rolls, you won't have any issues. The rule of thumb is to wait 3 months and to take, at maximum, 1.5*(your weight in kg) milligrams for your first dose, to redose with half of that, and to only redose once (but not redosing at all is preferred). So if you weigh 100kg, you'd take a max of 150mg for your first dose, then 75mg a couple hours later. Some other research suggests limiting it to 125mg, regardless of your weight. Personally, i get diminishing returns if i go higher than 100mg. If youre taking pills, know that a lot of pills are double dosed and are meant to be broken in half, and some are even quadruple dosed and meant to be broken into quarters (manufacturers do this because some law enforcement jurisdictions consider each pill to be a single hit, regardless of the amount of mdma in them). Those pills usually have break lines indicating that you should split the pill. Some research suggests that waiting only 2 months is probably fine for a lot of people, but if you start feeling depressed, anxious, or foggy, take a longer break. Rollsafe has some more harm reduction info and MAPS has some studies.

>>14199 checked. dont do high doses (more than 200mg in a night) and dont do it more than once every 3 months.

Lainons, I'm about to roll pretty hard, this is actually my first comment in a month of lurking, and i just wanna tell you you're amazing, special and talented. Bless yourselves with the purest form of self-love out there: discipline and enjoyment, have a good time, i know i will!

>>14263 Have a good roll, stay hydrated and stay safe! We love you, too.

>>14263 So, how was it? Posting additional characters because this site is overmoderated and won't let me ask a simple question.

>>14271 Had a great time! Sadly it all went too quickly, but i enjoyed it greatly, i danced my ass off and saw a bunch of great people. Now I'm back to my daily life with a renewed desire to improve myself and secure a better future, for next time i want to be in a much better shape so im going to an acquaintance's gym (right now) Have a nice day, lainon

railed a few fat lines of m at noon went to visit grandma pupils still dilated as fuarrrk in the evening i swear to god pupils are the most annoying soykaf when tripping/rolling

I really enjoy good quality MDMA, but one thing bums me out, is how fuarrrking high I look. Like, on amphetamines or even medium doses of shrooms I can contain myself. But on even just one pill of good stuff? I'm fuarrrking making faces like I'm a mime.

>>15484 Welp that went nowhere.

>>16275 Can I send drugs there?

>>12367 10-15mg won't even get you a slight bit buzzed lmao. If your starting out with crystals, get a scale. A good beginner's dose for a full experience is around 120-150mg

I dont like it very much its very big among my friends and ive done it countless times, the first time I did it I loved it but every subsequent time regardless if month or year had elapsed I did not enjoy it except if it was mixed with other things. I dont like the thing most people like about it which maybe makes me a little evil or something, the lovey feelings make me feel anxious and unstable. My love is kind of different these days and I associate that feeling with making poor decisions that could hurt me. Also the flood of emotions and excitement on the come up if im in a public place like a rave especially combined with the lights it makes me throw up. Its not even a nausea or anything its a total overload. If im just with friends its fine. The comedown puts me out of comission the next day and throws me off for a week or more. it isnt not for me and I wouldnt say I often have had bad times on it but it isnt for me like how it is with other people where its always going to be a good time (if spaced out). It can make me very anxious or uncomfortable, I (like many) dont enjoy doing it unless im doing it with someone I want to get closer with. I tend to like things that I can do on a whim and by myself unless im aiming to have some kind of challenging experience which isnt really what molly is about. I know it has therapeutic uses and can be a good challenging experience in that sense but any benefit is offset for me by the fact that the comedown can and has been the thing that tips the scales into a depressive episode for me.

I had never taken MDMA before, but yesterday I gave two a try and I only sweated like crazy. No euphoria, no anxiety, I just got really hot. Tonight I tried taking three at once and so far I'm just sweating profusely. I am about 6'2 230 lbs so I figured a larger dose would do the trick. I am prescribed a cocktail of lithium, SSRIs, etc, but I haven't taken them consistently, and I haven't taken any in 48 hours. I do I need to wait longer for all of the antipsychotics to be flushed out of my system? I took some acid a few days ago and it wasn't as much of a hallucination, but more like looking through a weak kaleidoscope. Is my brain fuarrrked from years of meds? pic related is what I taken. I heard they're supposed to be strong, but I really don't feel anything else besides hot.

>>18372 Name the exact medication. They all have different half life. > Given that both MDMA and psilocybin modulate serotonin neurotransmission, there is a potential for drug-drug interactions with medications that also modulate the serotonin system, including Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), Serotonin-Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRIs), Tricyclic Antidepressants (TCAs), Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOIs), mirtazapine, trazodone, lithium, buspirone, atypical antipsychotics, and others. Some of these interactions may increase the risk of toxidromes such as serotonin syndrome (Malcolm and Thomas 2021). > These case studies reveal a trend that the highest rates of morbidity occurred from the combination of MDMA with MAOIs, such as moclobemide or phenelzine. A number of these cases involved significant hyperthermia, seizure-like activity, and altered mental status, suggestive of unrecognized symptoms of serotonin syndrome, many of which resulted in fatality. In several cases, coronary artery disease was noted upon autopsy and was a suggested risk factor in the cause of death. In one notable case of a young man with bipolar disorder prescribed moclobemide and lithium who ingested ecstasy, the symptoms of serotonin syndrome were misattributed by his peers to a “psychotic episode” whereupon he was left unaccompanied for 4 h and after which he was found deceased (Pilgrim et al. 2012). The combination of SSRIs with ecstasy in case reports are consistent with lab data, suggesting attenuation of MDMA’s effects. However, the attenuated subjective effects of MDMA from SSRIs may drive individuals to take escalating drug doses to achieve effects, resulting in the elevated odds-ratio for mortality observed by Cohen et al. (2021)) in instances of concomitant MDMA use with SSRIs. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9177763/

>>18372 Nigger please, SSRIs are notorious for blocking the good effects of serotoninerg drugs including psychedelics and MDMA, while causing heavy side effects. Your profuse sweating was a sign of too high serotonin levels. (which serotonin was blocked from the receptors by the SSRI so you didn't feel the euphoria). 48 hours is nothing for SSRIs, their mechanism of action is to have a "steady state", they are accumulated in the body until they reach a concentration where the rate of doses being taken and the rate of metabolism is the same, this can take 2 weeks in both directions. (starting or stopping it). Please don't do this again, man. 3 pills for somebody who never tried it is extreme. To be honest it's heavy for anybody. You were in danger.

>>18372 that is the typical experience of people uninformed enough to take mdma while on an ssri. always look up drug interactions before taking something. psychonautwiki is good for this. >pic tells nobody anything. there are plenty of fake tesla pressies. if you ever go off your ssri and want to try again, get crystal or powder and use a reagent kit to confirm it's mdma.

>>18372 Im pretty sure that was just birth control.

kek now I want to become a dealer just to lace drugs with stupid soykaf like birth control and laxatives

>>18372 >LSD a couple days before the psychedelic effects of MDMA will be muted by the acid you took previously. best time to wait is 2 weeks between trips but 1-1.5 weeks is also fine >only felt like looking at things through a weak kaleidoscope acid by itself is not very hallucinatory and it won't add a lens to your entire vision while you're hallucinating. what it adds is more of an emotive quality like depth, absurdity, selflessness, euphoria that is most apparent in observing how your thoughts form. it's like the lens is applied to your pre-vision, if that makes sense. I think that the drug with the highest degree of hallucination in comparison to mental effects is 2c-b, as it is known to be more 'shallow' in mental responsibility. there are others in the 2c-x series that have greater hallucinatory effects too but some have almost no hallucinations associated with them. if you want to maximize for visual hallucinations, you might also want to try potentiating the effects with weed and ketamine, which are both themselves hallucinatory at high doses but are not very lucid at that dose if that makes sense. you could also replace the acid with DMT if you really want to see things. however in terms of "substances that are hyped up into taking you on incredible spirit journeys" DMT is the one, the reality is that it is like any other serotonergic psychedelic with mental effects scaling with your dose until you break through or have a trip. personally I have hallucinated on it only once and I did not break through, I only saw mandala like patterns in the lights from my bulbs. you can potentiate and extend the trip by several hours if you combine it with a MAOI, traditionally when this is done with soul vine then it is ayahuasca but any MAOI will do. the best way to see hallucinations I've found is to focus on the edges of light like I described, or to look at anything that seems to have a steady random distribution of contrasts - like a popcorn ceiling. 2c-b for instance can give every light source a halo. as you focus on a visual, especially while on acid, it will unfold into more complex patterns that persist for most of the trip. since I'm already on this tangent resultant from my own attempts to visually hallucinate I also want to give a somewhat shallow overview of the neuroscience. visual hallucinations are generally caused by the relationships of serotonin, glutamate, choline and cytocholine. we don't know exactly what happens, but it seems like the serotonergic effects of classic psychedelics cause higher glutamate release which is the primary excitatory neurochemical, while inhibiting it in key areas. this is the primary effect on all conceptions (and perceptions). SSRIs inhibit this because they cap serotonin receptivity while increasing endemic serotonin at specific sites. lithium will also do something like this, in conjunction to affecting other systems with relevance as well (dopamine and nmda/gaba in particular, as well as a few other sites). marijuana potentiates hallucinations as it temporarily increases cytocholine levels - cytocholine is seen as a filter of sorts to neurotransmission so having an especially high amount of cytocholine or an especially low amount seems linked to hallucinations. high amounts are also linked to anxiety and psychosis whereas low amounts might be linked to sensory overwhelm. you can supplement these things but the supplements alone will not cause hallucinations as your body can consolidate them if they aren't in conjunction with mental stimulation, it will however effect dreaming - which is linked to closed eyed visuals and internal hallucination. ketamine potentiates this by increasing dopamine and gaba as well, it does so however by inhibiting the gaba receptors. it also has weak serotonergic and opiate effects, especially kappa-opioid receptors which are linked to hallucination as well. there's a lot more to explain such as unusual hallucinogens that are active on other sites, such as salvia (on k-opioid) or amanita mushrooms. their hallucinations tend to be qualitatively different and potentially more difficult to experience however. I have to go now but I hope this info is helpful. please be safe with it and research *all* (including supplements) drug interactions both neurological and anatomical before mixing anything.

I just wanted to clarify something. If you want to use MAOIs, you need to have 2 weeks pause before and after using other anti-depressants and anti-depressant-like drugs (examples: SSRIs or certain supplements like 5-HTP or St. John's wort or MDMA etc.). Otherwise you may get serotonin syndrome and/or hypertensive crisis. It's also often recommended that you don't use MAOIs and antipsychotics at the same time. Mainly because the combination can also potentially cause serotonin syndrome. The other reason is that MAOIs and antipsychotics have opposing effects, so it wouldn’t make sense to use the antipsychotic anyway (since MAOIs increase serotonin, noradrenaline and dopamine). Also, try to find a reversible MAOI (examples: Moclobemide and Selegiline) and make sure to read about MAO-A vs MAO-B. This is because reversible MAOIs are a bit less toxic in overdose, but that doesn't mean that they are safe, so be sure to research proper dosage and all relevant drug interactions. --References-- >https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/MAOI >https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info8.shtml >https://www.psychotropical.com/maoi/ >https://www.drugs.com/cons/moclobemide.html (the list of drug interactions is not complete!) >https://www.drugs.com/mtm/selegiline.html (the list of drug interactions is not complete!) >>18405 Great post!

Is this soykaf any good for loners? From what i've seen the only people who use this are wannabee hippies who love having sex with strangers

>>18608 it can be good to do alone, but its more of a thing to do with other people.

>>18611 so in other words you have to be hot/socialable enough to convince someone to fuarrrk you before you roll 2gether? rats

>>18612 just keep squinting like clint eastwood or act like claude from gta 3 and u will pull m8.

Been interested due to what I hear about the obvious intense euphoria effects but me and my wife want to use for some deep talks then obv go feral on each other. Thing is I hear it doesn't work out well for the little guy the first time. Anyone else use it for their SO? How did it go?

>>20080 All the stuff about it being a "sex thing" is really just a bunch of crap. Thats more cocaine or amphetamines, mdma is more of a loving bonding thing but not literally fuarrrking.

>>20080 >Thing is I hear it doesn't work out well for the little guy the first time. It varies from person to person. When I take just mdma, I can't get hard during the peak, but can stay hard for the last half of the roll. mdma keeps you soft because it's a vasoconstrictor, l-arginine is a mild vasodilator so you can take it to mitigate the boner killing effects. When I take it, I take it once or twice during the day before the roll and then once more a half hour before taking the mdma, and I'm able to stay hard for the entire roll, including the peak. I know a couple people who take cialis when they start to come up and they say that usually works for them. >me and my wife want to use for some deep talks then obv go feral on each other That's pretty much mdma's perfect use case. You guys will have a blast. Even if you can't get hard, you'll still have a fantastic time. >Anyone else use it for their SO? How did it go? I have plenty of times and it goes great every time. Don't overthink it. It's a drug that is virtually guaranteed to make you feel amazing for a few hours. Since it sounds like its both of your first times, be warned that when you're coming up, some people feel anxious and/or nauseous. A common beginner's mistake is to mistake the come up as the roll and freak out a little, but when the roll hits the anxiety and nausea will melt away.

>>20081 I remember a friend of mine she sucked off a guy she didnt know while rolling she had told me and had not done that before. So maybe it differs person to person from their personality and brain chemistry.

>>20090 >>20090 tramp slut gonna suck that dick bro. she says no, but those lips lie.

hoes mdma effect those with notable personality warps like self centeredness or controlling behaviour? Does it have an effect or they just feel differant? or get delusional as fuarrrk and claim it has made them better people?

>>20298 I don't know about mdma, but lsd and shrooms definitely have the potential to make fuarrrkers full of themselves and up on their cunts even more full of themselves and even higher up on their cunts. 420chan's /psy/ board was a living proof of this, but i've seen this happening irl too. But it also has the potential to cure this, this happens quite often too. I have no idea what are the percentages for each outcome

>>20299 i appreciate the answer but theres a reason i didnt mention lsd or shrooms, cause i'm not interested in discussing those as they are completely differant substances compared to mdma

>>20301 They are completely different, but one of the three main pharmacological effects of mdma is the same as the main pharmacological effect of lsd and shrooms (5HT2A agonism), that's also the one responsible for causing delusions during the effect, or in worse case, even after acute effects. That's why i imagined that while i didn't answer your question, it may be a good starting point to extrapolate from until somebody can actually answer it.

>>20302 i did agree with you nether the less so no hard feelings there lol. but yes ok the 5ht2a thing is indeed something i remember reading. my main angle of this question was, would mdma affect and influence a very hard headed person like one of those narcissists/egotist types into thinking or carin gabout otehr people's needs/feelings/boundaries e.t.c

>>20303 About that, the one thing that comes to my mind is that during the early 2010s, molly was a hit drug for the so called trap culture, which is a hip-hop subgenre that glorifies shooting, robbing, pimping, power, money, violence of all kinds, and basically is about being as narcissistic and cruel as possible. So i don't think it cures most of the hardcore narcissists, not even temporarily during the acute effects. But there may be exceptions, i don't know how many percents of molly eaters are those people with violent criminal tendencies and what exactly makes them different from people who we meet at raves and want nothing just love, cuddling, dancing, sex, and being kind to others. May be gentic to some degree, may be narcissistic personality disorder (there are like 4 different kinds of that, each have different causes and different things affect them), may be antisocial personality disorder, may be different culture (gangsta rap vs trance, hippiesque social circle vs thuggish social circle), or a linear combination thereof.

>>20308 maybe narcissist was too strong and flashy of a keyword. somebody notably self absorbed,arrogant, uncouth and selfish was maybe what i should have left it at but your answer does shed some light as i was wondering if violent people just get more up their own ass that they're tuff, feared/respected or intimidating or actually become ayy peace mang *hugs you with fake love* .but i do remember molly being screeched around early 2010s in all kinds of rap and grime or whatever. interesting answer all around as i too tend to think of that scene now and then and how narcisstic and evil it was nad how awful of an influence it was to young drug users and low income psychos and such

>>12030 Wondering if any lainons know about 'losing the magic' and how to recover from it. I somewhat abused MD when I was 17 (took too much too often), and though I can still have good rolls now at 28 I do feel like they're not as intense as they used to be. Now I always take all the supplements at safe doses, but wondering if I can reverse the damage/tolerance too. I'm doing all the obvious things already - eating well, sleeping well, going to the gym. I'm also taking psychedelics regularly so getting the neuroplasticity benefits. Is there anything else I could be doing though?

>>20308 >molly was a hit drug for the so called trap culture, which is a hip-hop subgenre that glorifies shooting, robbing, pimping, power, money, violence of all kinds

>>20308 >>20309 Man you're fuarrrking retarded. The "trap" was just a word in atlanta for your drug dealer's house and trap music was originally a fusion of hip hop and old school electronic (think 90s psy) because that's what your drug dealer would listen to. Of course the lyrics were often about drugs and the trade because no soykaf they would be. You're a dumbass for acting like it's somehow worse and impure than other electronic genres such as trance which started out from EBM and the BDSM sex scene. Anyway What you refer to as narcissism is simply old fashioned American individualism. The brutality you see is more often than not intended as commentary with the explicit goal of offending polite society. But back to the subject of the thread, I've done mdma a few times and it's felt pretty good but I don't like how easily it makes you trust others because oftentimes others don't really need to be trusted. I think people who struggle with npd or aspd can benefit from it because it encourages empathy and it allows them to feel a range of emotions and happiness that are off limits normally. However it can become a habit for this reason too and to be honeston with you at a certain point there's not much different in behavior between an mdma fairy and a methhead who just wants another hit. If you want to try this substance, I recommend it. Make sure what you're getting is pure. ideally it should be in rocks of a translucent light grey color, which light seems to penetrate the surface but have some slight shadow inside, or it could be light brown. Do not trust purple molly, it could sometimes be good, but you should especially not trust green "molly" as the only batch of it I've ever seen turned out to be mda or sass. However looking at the rock itself can tell you very little, you should rather use a reagent test kit from dancesafe or bunkpolice. There is also rollsafe.org which is the most in depth guide to doing mdma safely.

>>20393 I overdid it when I got into molly and lost some of the magic. Started following the three month rule which got rid of the hangovers but didn't restore any magic. Then I abstained for three months while taking NAC daily and the magic came back in full force. Now I take NAC for a month or so after each roll and wait at least two months between the rolls and all my rolls hit hard. Tried it after learning there are some studies that suggest NAC can protect against and reverse some MDMA-induced neurotoxicity and seeing a bunch of positive anecdotal reports from people on drug forums and the mdma subreddit.

>>20846 interesting. how was your digestion while taking NAC? i heard it can mess the gut pretty bad

>>20861 but why? wouldn't this be wasting fuarrrk tons of meney

>>20862 That money is either public, and public money is free or it come from a private insurance so everybody is paying for it. They do not care how much it cost. >>20862 In Canada, the state pay the hospitals to kill their patients. The cost is low so they make more money by killing their patients than by curing them. The hospitals tell them that death is a care and they have the right to refuse it but if they do, the hospitals have no obligations to help them. The Canadians spend their life paying heavy taxes so the state can take good care of them and when they need it, they do not have the money anymore and they can either choose agony or state sponsored death.

>>20395 <molly was a hit drug for the so called trap culture, which is a hip-hop subgenre that glorifies shooting, robbing, pimping, power, money, violence of all kinds

>>20860 I had no side effects at all, digestion or otherwise.

>>20090 BS. She was gonna do it she just didn't have the courage to until then. If it had been GHB sure. But not Molly. >>20393 Seconding NAC. Look at what the maximum sustained longterm dose of Vitamin D is for your weight sex and age and run that for minimum of 6 months, too. ALCAR is very much encouraged too. Look at what should be taken in the morning and what at night.

>>21103 Not >>20393 but thanks for the suggestion! Because I have been consuming a big dose of synthetic vitamin D lately and has been lively till, well, today! I buy more of this S Y N T H W A V E then, thx lain

>>21103 >She was gonna do it she just didn't have the courage to until then. This ^