dissociatives - DXM, Ketamine, PCP, etc.

I'm gonna try ketamine for the first time soon and I'm pretty excited to see what it is like! My only experience with dissociatives has been DXM which I found to be pretty interesting but also kinda gross because I choose to dose through OTC cough syrup. >How much do you enjoy dissociatives? >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? How would you rank them? >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? >What is the k-hole like?

I started with DXM too, also Salvia Divinorum/Salvinorin A(although not really comparable to any other dissociatives). Other's I've tried are ketamine, 3-MeO-PCP, 3F-PCP, O-PCE, 2f-DCK, MXP and probably some other PCP variations. Sadly never tried MXE yet, though I think I tried some of the newer DMXE or whatever that's out there now but in too small amounts, my tolerance for these things is kind of whack. My favorite has probably been 3-MeO-PCP since you only need 5-30mg and it lasts for a long time though I quite enjoyed vaping O-PCE but haven't had that much of it to have a good opinion. Someday I want to try Xenon since it's legal and all. Only tried N2O once but also in too small amount to notice. I like watching anime on dissos, swimming too, generally doing anything though admittedly dissos are so debilitating that many riskier activities are best avoided.

>>11757 >Xenon I had no idea this was a dissociative, I feel like it would feel weird in your lungs though because it's so dense >swimming that sounds terrifying, I'd be too scared to do anything on disso's that I couldn't do on my couch

>>11769 One reason why I like the PCP like dissos is because they're slightly stimulating and easier to be up and about on compared to things like ketamine.

>>11757 >Salvia Salvia was fun, I got to experience it a few times. Would love to be able to again in the future.

>>11756 >How much do you enjoy dissociatives? Depends on the disso. Dex is just a really weird experience. Ketamine Ido enjoy a lot in low doses because its like Alc but better... Oh high doses though i either get really lost in thought or feel like god >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? How would you rank them? Ketamine (it feels best if you can get vials to shoot it up IM. Much cleaner and more intense feeling. DCK 3DMXE (really trippy and better not to do often) OPCE (veteran disso) >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? Laxing on my back and watching the ceiling while listening to electronic music that is rather fuarrrked up. Watching trippy anime >What is the k-hole like? I t feels like you lose your body and the hallucinations you saw really become a part of you and you are in a permenent CEV. You can also get like a K-Hole lite if you really just scrape the threshold and then you will lay down and not be able to move without flying through insane made uo things in you mind. Music is always important pick something that will sooth you ig uess. Entering the k-hole feels like gravity sucking you in and it can be startling so just try to enjoy the ride. Also if you snort it, don't be a one-big-line retard. Divide it up into a few smaller ones, do one in each nostril, wait like 5~10 mins, do more, repeat till you did it all. That way it all absorbs and none is wasted going down throat.

why is this thread so dead? come on... please... can't anyone talk about their experiences with RC dissos? I found something about "CanKet" or "2F-NENDCK" being a thing and i'm really curious if anyone knows anything about it? Here's some links I found mentioning it, seems to be mostly an Australian thing but I'm very curious what the effect-profile of it would be given that it's more similar to FXE than to ketamine or 2F-DCK... bluelight post: >https://bluelight.org/xf/threads/novel-aryclyclohexamine-2f-nendck-found-in-australia.926834/ reddit post: >https://www.reddit.com/r/dissociatives/comments/xdsgom/2fnendck/ vice post: >https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d3jp5/scientists-discover-imitation-ketamine-on-the-market noteable quote from said post: >One user VICE World News spoke to on condition of anonymity described it as feeling “very similar to ketamine, but not as deep or introspective.” >“I’ve bought ket three times in a row now and it's been 2F-NENDCK,” said Hunter, a pseudonym, who lives in Canberra and used the CanTEST service to determine the true identity of his pseudo ketamine each time. “I’d say it’s worse [than ketamine] but only slightly… The ‘happy’ feeling was lacking a little bit. I find I snort K and a smile forms on my face when it starts kicking in. This was lacking that—I'd just come up and kinda stay in a mundane headspace while feeling wonky.” >He also pointed out that while the drug feels different to ketamine, it’s similar enough that an “amateur dissociative user won't be able to tell the difference.” And while scientists and researchers have only detected the drug in Canberra thus far, VICE World News was told it's already spread interstate >“It’s not just limited to the Canberra market,” said Hunter. “One of the batches I bought was at a festival/doof in the Blue Mountains, in New South Wales, off someone from Melbourne [in Victoria]—so it’s all around and not just in Canberra.”

>>11782 Salvia is like DMT mixed with a deliriant at breakthrough doses, but I never got anything fun out low concentration blends.

Hey, I really am into ketamine and I want to try DXM Any advice on how to not have a bad trip, combat nausea and in general preparations for it?

>>13911 >Get the green robocough bottle >Plan out your trip a little bit (walk somewhere, choose a movie, etc) >Wake up, eat like 3 saltines and a couple pickles >Wait 30 minutes >Pop 5 tiny whitepills (150mg) while swallowing as little water as you possibly can >Pop 5 more every 20 minutes, a tech known as slowpopping >After 1-2 hours, you will have consumed 450mg-900mg, and generally you don't want to do more than 1000mg at once It helps to make your stomach more acidic beforehand (the opposite of how it is with amphetamine) hence the pickles or better yet sliced banana peppers in vinegar. You don't want a TOTALLY empty stomach, hence the saltines. Drinking too much water along with your pills generally leads to more nausea given all that liquid churning around. Having a good distraction like a movie or a walk also reduces the psychosomatic nausea that can often occur. Strangely, I find anime doesn't pair well with DXM. If you want to play a game, make sure it's an explore-em-up open world game where you're supposed to wander and get lost. Other genres are just frustrating, and linear games are straight up awful. Obviously smoked weed is good but edibles not delta 8 vaped seem to do much to reduce nausea. Def don't mix it with any other drug except DPH, which oddly enough pairs beautifully with DXM. Mixing it with ket or psychedelics just dulls the effects of both imo. If you throw up once, you will lose most of whatever you had in your system, but that's okay because after that additional DXM won't really make you nauseous. Here are some of the drug effects to look out for: https://transrightsactivist.medium.com/drug-effect-taxonomy-mk-iii-fe6f604c5dd3 Have fun, and let me know if you have any more questions!

>>13915 took it at 3 am, having just woken up, a small dose of 58mls of a 30mg per 10 ml dose I may add that I took some coffee before that, 8gr with 1/18 coffee water ration (i'm a coffee autist) After sometime, I think an hour, I took 60mls After half an hour, I took the rest (which was 58ml) It has been more or lezs 5 hours, I feel heavier and feeling like chilling, but nothing more than that, no dissociative perception, nor nausea, nor any trip like effects It feels more like LSD than ketamine I was scared about nausea but after 5 hours of nothing on an empty stomach I'm kinda hungry Honestly? My expectations were higher, people built it as a different thing I guess my metabolism isn't good for digesting it

>>13934 Aw, that's too bad man. Not really a whole lot you can do if you lack sufficient quantities of the CYD2P6 enzyme...

>>13915 This would've been good to know and attempt a year ago. Wish I didn't get rejected by the DXM spirit and did that 650mg DXM trip right on Feb 10th 2022.

>>13946 The DXM spirit is capricious, but that means there's no problem with trying again! to be honest, some of my best trips were literally the day after a failed trip and with a full belly of food. In truth there's little rhyme or reason to getting a good DXM trip other than take it in novel location.

Tried 2f-dck today, felt like ketamine, just colder..

>>13911 the other lainon that replied 2u had alot of good advice but i would suggest dph over weed 4 controlling nausea not enough 2 potentiate teh dxm or anything, but like 25 or 50mg .... also just staying still and sitting in one place rlly helps so try 2 set up ur area b4hand (which includes making sure that nobody is going 2 be bothering u) as for the roa, i would say that robocough is the best bang for ur buck but if u rlly wanna experiment with dxm u should buy both the HBr and freebase bottles cuz some ppl just have better luck with a certain type grapefruit and black pepper help potentiate also use a site like robocalc.org or dxm.tripsit.me cuz dosage is very dependent on bodyweight so u wanna make sure u dont under or over dose depending on which plat u wanna reach dont trip if ur in a bad mindset, a bad dxm trip rlly fuarrrking suxx if u do enjoy it tho .... just dont go 2 crayz with it .. dxm is alot stronger than most ppl realize so itz kinda ez 2 underestimate it and slip in2 a nasty habit

obliterated on Dexxyyy and its such a experience,,, u knoww,,, it makes u know sum fuaaaawrrrrnkkdd soykaftt i usually take Hydroxy and dex it makes the dex so much better, i think its been like almost 20 hrs im still in and out of realityy

>>11756 I did K for the first time in about 5 years the other day and it was quite heavenly even at a low dose (30mg snorted esketamine). Hoping to get to try a 50mg dose some time. >How much do you enjoy dissociatives? A good bit >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? K MXE and 3MEOPCP >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? Nothing specific >What is the k-hole like? Never experienced it, stick to low-medium doses

i'm schizophrenic and i take 300mg DXM daily when i wake up. i take 5 robotabs, then 30 minutes later take another 5. i swear to god it has healed my negative symptoms. i used to be on olanzapine, trazodone, naltrexone, cymbalta, and propranolol. i don't take any of them anymore. i just take DXM every day. i shower daily, i brush my teeth twice a day, take trash out, sweep, i no longer have to psych myself up to leave my apartment anymore. it has legitimately changed my life. i used to be able to go months without showering or brushing my teeth. i seriously think it's rewired my brain in some way. i have so much more motivation than before. the only downside is i basically don't eat on my own volition, so i have to schedule meals and force myself to eat but i never really had any positive connection to food anyway so i just shove it down and get my calories in.

>>14916 That’s an interesting report but I would watch out for that daily dose doing damage long term. Constant disso use is known to make your brain and organs very unhappy. It might fix the skitz, but what about onleys legions?

>>14918 ah yes we must fear the ever-growing threat of onley's legions- his vast, nigh uncountable hordes of angry men armed with sharpened sticks smeared with feces- hungry, hungry for the blood of the habitual DXM user. Hark, hear my plea, flee from the siren call of DXM abuse lest ye too fall before the unstoppable stampede of the great ONLEY and his LEGIONS. iirc never observed in humans, not a real issue. only observed in lab animals on turbodoses. The REAL issues are: organ damage (liver and kidneys go first) and brain damage.

>>14919 Possibly so. Brain damage is brain damage. I grew up with dxm/n2o/rc/k addicts who used to do 1g dxm as a standard dose. They are not happy men today. That’s all I can say really.

>>14920 Aye, to be clear: Doing DXM regularly WILL damage your brain. This is a fact. It will not bring the wrath of Onley's legions down upon you. But it WILL damage your brain in other, less exciting ways.

I used to do a lot of dissos as a teen and I'm going to a shrink now and they think I have a dissociative disorder. I'm wondering if its possible for me to take control over that and dissociate at will - it seems helpful. I'm recognizing more and more immediately after I've dissociated that its happened - sometimes its only for a couple minutes sometimes a day. Is there any way for me to start having some control over it?

>>14921 Is it fully proven dissociatives don’t cause it at all or just DXM?

Hopefully gonna be bioassaying some FXE tonight. Never tried this compound before, looking forward to it.

>>15429 lol it absolutely is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Wow.

>>15432 Actually I think I got this quite wrong, dissos especially dxm protect your brain from glutamate storms I think. It's the other receptors it rapes because calcium enters the neurons exciting them killing them off which the brain may or may not recover from, again you have to work at it to reach this kind of excitotoxcity or some serious fiending going on. Not sure what the remedy to this other than sobriety and practicing moderation in the future

>>14916 how long have you been doing this for? I'm also schizo and wondering whether I'd be able to replicate the results you've gotten.

>>14916 Is there any other substances that you take, like even the slightest mg of caffiene or nic and many hours apart? dxm practically interacts with everything and the effects can change surprsingly well if you take the right things with it at the right times, for example wellbutrin can slow down dxm from becoming dxo so the ssri/dri effect of dxm is enhanced. i found that ginseng goes kinda well with a cough dose, kinda like what you described could go months without doing basic things but on the right combo all that just changes. really cool to hear you had such great results for your condition and lifestyle

DXM is like kicking dead whales down the beach, if i want to feel numb and boring i can just stay sober lol

>>15443 6 months. >>15496 no nicotine or caffeine. i only drink water and fruit juice. i'm just hoping that once i build up a tolerance i'll have been doing it long enough that my schedule becomes the "new normal" and i can continue doing it without the help of DXM

does anyone else get fuarrrked up from 200mg of DXM (robotabs)? I've been trying to figure out what the range of effects is for me after taking 450mg of robocough the first time I tried DXM and tripping for 24 hours when I was expecting to maybe get into the 3rd plat dissociation range. last time I did DXM it was 200mg and felt like that, dissociated numbness soykaf, and before I'd been working up from smaller doses each time. even at 90mg I was feeling it. I always see people reporting way higher doses to achieve the same experiences I've had on it but I'm not sure if it's just having no tolerance (I dont do DXM super often because it always makes me throw up so it feels like a thing I need to set aside a day for) or maybe the enzyme deficiency. it's not clear to me how strong DXM will tend to be for someone who does have the enzyme deficiency though so I've been wondering about this since I first tried DXM and got absolutely knocked on my ass by what I thought wasn't going to be too intense of a dose.

>>15655 I also found robotabs to be crazy strong with zero tolerance, 100-200 was definitely intense, especially with weed or other stuff in the mix.

>>15655 Robotabs are freebase dxm which is purer than hbr. Cough syrup hits different where 3 robitabs is like 140mg hbr. Look up the hbr freebase conversion chart for more info,

>>15655 a small percentage of people are mutants for an enzyme required for DXM breakdown IIRC this is how recreational dxm abuse was discovered, as these people can experience mild first-plateau effects from standard medicinal doses you may be one of these people or you are just a lightweight

>>15657 finally found the pic, freebase is 33% purer than hbr iirc i always found them to be more euphoric and clean compared to hbr but i never needed more than 3 lol where as i cough syrup i needed the whole bottle to get that good euphoria

havent gotten any in a while but they sell mini n2o tanks at the headshop now me now. just grabbed some. good stuff.

>>15669 criminalized in my country last year by a rat faced soykaf head who wants to combat "anti social behaviour". the worst part about this it will never be declassified from C back to otc cuz bunch of retarded assholes who really hate drugs run the uk.

>>11770 shame PCP and its RC analogues are fuarrrking impossible to find.

>>11757 I want to get some O-PCE or DMXE yet I don't know where because where I am there is blanket bans. Not sure if there are RC Onions.

>>13806 Isn't salvia the one that can make you see things green or conjure up one big item which is strongly related to the green color?

>>16338 No, that green thing is a myth spread around by college kids trying to seem experienced with drugs. There is no green hallucination generally. I'm sure it happened to a few people. For everyone else salvia is like DMT mixed with DPH

I have done DXM twice. First was just a weird distant feeling, not enough I guess. Second was awful. I got really horny and jerked for an hour straight but couldn't finish, coupled with suicidal thoughts. Might try gain soon though, when I am less stressed.

>>16347 >>16338 i remember all the people going on about a green or brightly colored conveyor belt or some soykaf. i assumed green on black visuals was a kind of meme made by 2deep4u dxm users

I dont think ive ever fully kholed im not sure, but I definitely have gotten to the point of not recognizing anyone and seeing static and my hands stretching and being unable to move correctly and things I cang even comprehend. On a combination of ketamine and nitrous I decided to set about in my head or something to discovering my path in life or something. I think I was trying to maybe figure out in general what the right things to do for humanity were, what should we all do, but it was more of less specifically about what I should do. I like imagined every path I could take with myself regarding some base situation, say something like "what should i concentrate my time on" or "what kind of person should I be" and with every decision it was like double my prior choices appeared. Imagine like a genealogy chart. And like such a chart some paths I could see dead ended and id go back and follow a different path for me in my mind and I did this for what felt like hours and it was such an impossible problem I felt despair and then I just laughed. It was like what a cruel joke the universe has played, There is no way to have an answer to this in one lifetime. It was like any life changing decision I could make or reject, it would be impossible to know if I made the right choice ahead of time. Everyone has innumerable such choices in their life, about what is right to believe or act on, and multiple lifetimes could be spent analyzing a single one of these choices and where it leads and on each subsequent choice it presents. Its all very "iamverysmart" coded but in the moment it was like this truth was all encompassing and crystal clear, there wasnt anything else. It was a big boon cause im a big overthinker about every choice I make, the design of these things is incomprehensible and I have to make some choices off of just what feels right and I myself am part of billions in the effort to understand this godlike flowchart I imagined. This is why I like dissasociatives particularly ketamine cause it provides very little pleasure if im being honest its very neutral. It can create fun moments for sure and it creates pleasure in that it kills the fear associated with exploring topics internally that might otherwise be too heavy and that you know will drag you into the pits so to speak. I have depression and I understand why its in consideration for treatment of it. When its all too much, when I cant figure out what to do, I can do just a bit of ketamine and now il tell you my favorite activity which is to lie down for about 30 minutes to an hour or so once it kicks in and I let my mind wander to anything bothering me I was trying to push away. Its not always fun but it becomes unavoidable once I do it, I dont actively choose to do this il just feel it kick in and decide to lie down. My phone will become irritating and il put it to the side. And then I just think and I have no other interests other than sorting through and exploring every thought. I usually come out of this daze feeling more prepared. Its like a once a week thing for me. I dont really know if id say I enjoy them but with my addictive personality when I cant stop thinking about how I just need something to get through the day and feel like I cant thinking just making that split decision to do the k instead of something more harmful like drinking and then seeing how I feel after can save me weeks of suffering. Its in a weird way the last thing I always want to do, and I avoid it sometimes because a part of me wants to make some self destructive decision and I know I wont be able to once I do it. So its not enjoyable but its never hurt me, its always been a friend. There was times I tried to abuse it and its funny for me I just get bored im like oh my god when can I stop being in this state so I can finally have fun. I know some people are different but its not my jam in that way its like impossible for me to have a "ketamine binge" or something. I start to just not be able to wait for the experience to be over so I can get out of the brain cage. My favorite dissasociative in terms of whats most "fun" is nitrous but it just very quickly starts to make me feel ill and nauseous these days. I never really experienced anything like others say about getting dumber or killing brain cells or something but I also wasnt ever the one who would like hyperventilate into a balloon to feel it more. Also god knows the details of the manufacturing of these new giant self serve tanks that are popping up everywhere, im sure its just nitrous your getting but the fact that I cant be sure and that theres no obligation to explain because they arent 'intended" to be used that way worries me. It used to worry me even with just weird off brand nitrous capsules. I know its likely just my body and this new method of administration where you just inhale as much as you want from a giant tank but coincidentally the nausea started once all this soykaf became the standard. I even tried doing something where I put a straw in my mouth so that I was inhaling both nitrous and oxygen like how youd get it at the dentist and this galaxy gas and associated weird brands still makes me sick, whereas its never really been a thing with the classic whip its even now when I get them. But this is all very much not a hard science and is full of external factors. Im sure its all "fine", as fine as misusing nitrous could be at least. My second favorite in the fun category is dxm, and I know its starting to sound like I just abuse legal highs the most and so of course I like them but no ketamine is actually what I have the most experience with. Ive only done dxm a handful of times whereas I couldnt give you a number of times ive done ketamine. But like the nitrous except way more invesitgated and studied; its a trainwreck on your body and mind so I dont do it anymore. It has an inherent euphoria to me like the nitrous except not as intense however actually long lasting. Ketamine is third its what I see as the standard, this might be factually incorrect but I personally see it as the pure dissasociative. Depending on how much you do it softens the lows but it also dampens the highs a bit. Things are flat, they get stripped of their associations. Like I said on high doses not recognizing people is big, you know who they are you know what their relation is to you you have your faculties still, but say the act of talking to them will feel like talking to a stranger. It can be mildly disturbing if its someone you live with because it feels as if a stranger just entered your room and is now talking to you with all of this context about you and the relationship between you two but you are detatched from it all and it no longer makes sense on a intuitive level of like "how do i normally talk to this person". Its kind of hard to describe what ketamine causes to "dissapear" until you do it. My fourth favorite or in this list least favorite would be lsd. But again like ketamine its much more valuable than nitrous or dxm. Obviously lsd is a psychadelic but if you do it and then do ketamine you will notice it has a huge dissasociative component. I had done lsd first and when I did ketamine it was like I had isolated this one part of the acid experience. Ketamine is very neutral its like your dissasociating and just purely analyzing whats in your mind and whats around you and it has this depressive effect where there isnt any anxiety or need to act you just are observing. Acid on the other hand is almost always at some point on the trip very euphoric or very terrifying. So imagine you have that same ketamine dilemna of not recognizing a roomate but this time you also have this charge of either feeling like a god or feeling like a scared terrified animal. I can see how people have "freak outs". On acid once I started intensely analyzing this thing everyone does on some level where I might say things in a certain higher tone to seem more non threatening or cute or whatever. Stripped of associations on acid I suddenly had this crisis of like does anyone even perceive this subconscious thing I do with my voice like I do what if it just comes off as intensely bizzare and weird. Thats the sort of thought id have on ketamine too but on ketamine I wouldnt freak out about it and id just kind of explore it. Overall I dont "enjoy" dissaociatives but im sure glad I found them. One of few classes of substances I can confidently say has done more good than harm or has even saved me in moments and one of few thats kind of been impossible for me to abuse. Maybe if I tried pcp or something id feel differently ive heard its a lot more euphoric and addictive but among just what ive tried and listed thats how I feel.

Anyone here get a high tolerance and successfully reset it? I am looking for more info beyond "its permanent bro" for if you overdo these drugs. Is it true that tolerance will build quickly and be near impossible to lose?

Anyone ever get dissos off CL before? Only ever got H off it back in the day, but noticed someone in a major city near me is offering K on it. Very tempting as im not an onion fields man.

>>15655 update on this: after doing 90mg of freebase DXM a few days ago and being surprised by how much it wrecked me I decided to try taking a single 30mg robotab to see if it would have any effects. worst case scenario I figure I would have just wasted a few cents to suppress a cough that I didn't have. but instead I felt kind of like I was tweaking and got some light dissociation. I realize freebase DXM is slightly stronger than HBr and I also mixed this with weed, which potentiates DXM supposedly, but still for being literally the lowest possible dose I was surprised to feel anything from it. still unsure whether or not I'm enzyme deficient. clearly I need to do more DXM for science.

>>17233 sounds like enzyme deficiency yea but tolerance can do weird things. i took a 600mg dose after a ~6 month break and literally blacked out, it was scary just teleporting somewhere else lol

>>17235 based, i love a robotab withh me mush or hbwrs

>>17234 I'm on 60mg tonight and have been feeling it a bit more than 30mg, once again was not expecting soykaf to happen because it's such a tiny dose and I've done it recently. DXM is so fuarrrking weird. >>17237 deleted because I realized I'd posted a plebbit image lel

Hai! Meows it going!? :3 I hope you had fun! I love them a lot, a little too much, I am addicted to the feeling of dissocos, also addicted to k itself lol. It brings me to a place that feels like home. The only activity I enjoy doing on them is putting a blindfold on and sitting there with them or just letting them take over at whatever moment. Hope this helps! :D If you are the type of person who sees the idea of ketamine being enjoyable I would definitely advise to stay away. If you didn't feel positively strong about it after doing it then good job. If you felt strongly good about it then good luck! The stereotypes of heavy K users are a belief for a reason. >>16508 Stop doing them for a year, good luck though, you'll never get that first k-hole again! Enjoy your impacted memory :D

>>17238 Dude seriously, try and do a 10 white pill dose one day and go outside. You'll see, how many interactions you do socially actually end up doing SO WELL, I comprehended how social interactions are usually meant ot go. It's just unabashed social interaction without any anxiety, pure golden time. I am lowkey psychotic with it running in my veins but fuarrrk it.

>>15807 PCP is pretty easy to find in certain regions. I don't think it really gets produced clandestinely anywhere outside of the US though. Interestingly, most of the labs are on the west coast but most of it gets moved and sold in the northeast. the analogs are pretty widely available online though, although the best ones tend to come and go in batches - 3-MEO-PCP was one of the best ones in circulation, but it's dried up a bit. 3-HO-PCP, 3-ME-PCP, and 3-MEO-PCE have all been a bit more common more recently, although availability is always changing and the varieties in effects and potency between different analogs can be a bit of a challenge. I'd like to get some FXE again, although I think the last batch I had was 2-fluoro-2-oxo-PCE (canket) rather than 3-Fluoro-2-oxo PCE ("true" FXE). went through a lot of that, felt like a nice balance between the more manic aspects of PCP/analogs and more sedative aspects of K/analogs. >>16508 in my experience it never truly "resets" if you've had periods of heavy sustained use - but the way I would describe it is that it "recedes." Nowadays I have a sort of perma-tolerance, but it primarily recedes in 1.5-2 weeks. After that, I'll have about 1 day of low tolerance use, but then the following day my tolerance seems to go back up to that permanently higher level. It seems relatively linear with the amount of days between use - if I have even a bump or something after a break, the next day my tolerance is high again. for me, this has more or less regulated my use to every two weeks or so for a single day. in a way, that's probably better for me, although it is inconvenient news if you're hoping to sustain a habit - it's going to be expensive.

skirting the rails of temptation not to buy some K and maybe also some C off someone who seems to be one of the more legit sellers on craigslist. Really the things i hate about that route the most is you have to deal with strangers 95% of whom are sloppy and young maniacs, and beyond that im paranoid that soykaf llike coke and maybe even ket could be laced with fentalogs or similar compounds. I know for a fact from asking around on the streets in my area that a lot of the coke is laced with fentalogs or nizatenes now. I have not actually scored anything underboard from someone in person in quite a while now, mostly just lowkey clearnet sites but none of them seem to have C or K. Starting to really feel like its not worth my while to pay 90 for the k or 75 for the C just to have to go through all the hoops an ladders of fent testing it, marqui testing it, scaling it, and then bioassaying it. At the end of the day as enjoyable as they can be especially K which is the one i was looking for when I found the add, it may just be better to stick to my routine and not get it. But ill see what happens.

>>18031 was just surfing the river and seems im not finding the diethyl ether they were offering for the past quite some many years. did they take it off like they did with solte tea and poppy seeds once they caught on, or am i just searching for it right....?

>>18032 well n2o and a few beers with some home made edibles beats ether or kizz anyday

I had a question. Ketamine Therapy is not legal in my country, but I've contacted a clinic in India, where Ketamine Therapy is legal, for six sessions over the course of two weeks. Would six sessions every six months be a viable replacement for once session every month, or would it wear off after a few months, to the point where I may as well have not taken it?

>>18072 The benefits are real but very short acting.

>>18073 That's unfortunate to hear. Are there any long acting benefits?

>>11756 please keep in mind, i have only ever done DXM, but i have my fair share of experience wtih it. >How much do you enjoy dissociatives? a lot. i love the spaceout feeling of dxm and (from my experience) the accompanying feeling of warmth and serotonin. >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? How would you rank them? as mentioned, i have only done dxm, but i will list the others based on my willingness/desire to try them: 1. ketamine 2. pcp 3. pcp analogues/variations 4. mxe 5. xenon (it seems a bit odd to me) >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? on high doses of dxm i kinda have trouble doing much of anything other than listening to music and floating thru space but i really enjoy listening to music, i feel one with it >What is the k-hole like? sorry. one day i will find out.

>>18074 not to my knowledge. im not an absolute wiz on the psychopharmacology of ket though. do some heavy research into it if your really desperate for those types of benefits. but frankly i would say maybe try actual psychedelics if your looking for a long term improvement in brain chemistry, when done right they can potentially have longer lasting benefits. on another note, what are the good legal dissos nowadays? im only hearing about some new dket analog like 4fdck or whatever.

this looks worth reading. posting it to remind myself for later and to share with yall. From “Special K” to “Special M”: The Evolution of the Recreational Use of Ketamine and Methoxetamine: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6493581/

>>18079 Thanks. So maybe I should go to Thailand and do mushrooms?

I love dissocos, only done K and that's good for me. I love texting my friends and gf on K until iy gets uncomfortable for me. I like playing vidoe games too, but the thing I enjoy the most is nothing with music on. Sitting there and things slowly get weird is so fun. I always go into my bathroom with the lights off and the fan off. Then I sit on the toilet and let the hallucinations pass by. Last time there were giant bugs wandering around then I was suddenly on Mars. The visuals get really intense, all open eye too. After that I decide it's time to k hole a couple times and call it a night. The k hole is like a dream and I'm being guided along it like I'm on a conveyer belt or rollercoaster.

I want to try ket to cure my depression but I suffer from depersonalization-derealization disorder and fear that dissociatives would make it worse

>>18227 you could try a very low dose. I find low doses are just 'fun', but high doses are a mindfuck, it's like a totally different drug depending on dose

>>18231 I would agree with this. Definitely just do like 10mg at first.

Very new to drugs, best places to get DXM/products that have a lot of it? I want to try it at least once.

>>18285 dee ex em dyerekt dot com or the offical robocough store. dry cough formulas syrups (alcohol based dxm , avoid sorbitol or other nasty additives!) cough gels are a good quick cheap way to go. i think i got 6 tubs of 20 gels which was the one in my pic for like 30-40 off amazon

How good is ketamine/xenon for pain control? I need something for pain blockade/dissociation for ~ 30 mins or so. I know some humans dissociate during childbirth/intense pain, hence the question. Thanks.

>>18301 if you read my prev post disregard. im now curious too. but what could xenon do that nitrous couldn't?

>>18303 Well, It may be easier to procure than aether/other anesthesia drugs. Since what I have in mind is probably a one-time use thingy (if successful) long-term effects are to be disregarded somewhat.

>>11756 Just here to say I did many ounces of methoxetamine and there will never be a dissociative as good as that was. Plus it was insanely potent and cheap. Best disso ever. It's similar to moving 2-oxo-pcp (O-PCE) and DCK with some 4-aco-dmt, morphine, mdma and ketamine ... Depending on dose it was all of those drugs but better and lasted about eight hours. Please post it somebody finds it legitimately available

>>18303 Xenon particles can propel space craft and various probes with slow acceleration but it never stops accelerating, ending up insanely fast. Nitrous cannot, not even nitrous oxide like in cars or at the dentist

>>18311 it still stops accelerating, its a disposable fuel thats used as reaction mass like basically all space motors. Eventually your tank is empty. Not sure nitrous couldnt be used here but it probably wouldn't be as effective

>>18311 Well, jokes aside it's a bit strange that Xenon is a dissociative and, say, for example, Helium is not. Both are non-radioactive inert gases.

Is cough syrup with DXM good for making lean?

>>18364 I wouldnt. I mean it won't kill you but it will be a dirty exp and you will probably feel crap the next day. Lean is idiotic anyway, no offence saying that but dxm lean sounds gross as hell

>>18364 no. just no. "lean", as the youth call it, is promethazine+codeine. DXM, is... DXM. until you have mastered the art of negro hood alchemy, and can make like black jesus and turn grape soda into hennessy, your DXM will never become promethazine+codeine, aka "lean". DXM is good for some things, but not for being what it isn't. >>11756 Has anyone tried tilmetamine, or does anyone see any useful info on it? All I can find is: ~6 hr half life ~10-50mg dose range (crude estimate) not magical, just a plain-jane disso, sedating not manic

>>18369 >DXM is good for some things, but not for being what it isn't. beautiful

>>18227 I won't recommend it to "cure" depression, because it is just a drug. I think you should do ketamine because it's fun. What are you gonna do when you're depressed after your hour of high wears off? Are you really going to sink your money into a dangerous addictive drug over and over?

>>18079 DMXE seems to be a popular one right now. I haven't tried it but I am curious. I'm not too interested at the moment, but also a bit scared to.

>>14923 You can try leaning into those dissocoations when you're in bed and tired. I focus on the feeling of falling asleep but focusing on the feeling of being awake. It has caused k-hole like effects. It can be hard to not get into sleep paralysis though, which to me is very rarely pleasent.

>>18380 IIRC trials with ketamine showed long-term benefits after short-term use e.g: get 3 ketamine injections, feel less depressed for 3 months afterwards i dunno the exact details, but from personal experience I would say psych/disso use can lead to medium-term mood improvements (weeks-months) after use

>>18390 Yes, and then what? Doing a drug to stop being depressed is useless. It's useless to even cure depression. It's a part of who we are as humans.

>>18391 eggzactly. depression really translates to victimhood and we all have been victimized one way or the other. it's part of the package, part and parcel. you cure that then wtf is the point anymore, we become like junkies at that point.

>>18392 that said "lessening" the depression is a good thing but if anybody said curing it was an option then they are how i may kindly put, retarded. im ok with using drugs to lessen the blunt force of it and get your head above the water to get soykaf done about it but it almost sounded like the original post claimed it could work like a miracle cure but with catches.

>>18393 Yeah, that's what I've meant by saying it's just a fun thing to do. We all need some fun for fun's sake rather than a bandage. I think that poster just bought into the numerous ketamine therapy businesses using the drug and vulnerable people as a way of making a lot of money. I mean 500 usd per infusion is insane.

>>18369 I was just spitballing an idea to make it taste better

>>18403 Just deal with the taste or get tablets. Or you can do ketamine like a normal depressed person.

Since MXE disappeared I've not cared for them other than intramuscular S isomer ketamine, not so much these days though

Whats going around on the RC disso scene these days? Have not done any in years, interested to revisit it. Miss the old ket and pcp analog days.

Best way and dosage to do ket for first time? Was thinking of measuring out something like 20-40 mg but maybe just just my 10mg scoop and do a bump of the back of my hand like I do with amph. But I'm all eyes for any bigger dosages if it provides benefit. I tend to underdose most substances out of a safety fear which has lead to bluebells if you will.

>>20225 also how bad would it be to take a single dose of pharma diaz during or before it? should i save them for just the speedy stuff. don't anna give myself that anhedonic mindset like i get when i get too slowed down on sedatives or worse like puking in sleep. i also plan on doing my usual edible dose of 1 g or less of bud before the ket but will opt for later if it will ruin the exp

>>20225 As with any drug, please start by reading about safety/dosage/effects: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine.shtml https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Ketamine >Best way ... Ketamine is almost exclusively insufflated. Oral administration has minimal effects. You can IM it instead if you prefer. > ... and dosage to do ket for first time? 10mg will provide zero to very limited effects. >also how bad would it be to take a single dose of pharma diaz during or before it? See attached. Generally speaking, combining dissociatives and benzos (diaz included) is a bad idea. Limited recreational benefit, and significant possibility for bad health effects. >weed+ket No clue. >>20222 I heard there was trouble with production a while back. No clue if things have recovered. Memantine and tiletamine are around, haven't tried them. Let us know if you find anything.

>>20228 i kinda did but wantede to hear it from the horses mouth. suppose that's reasonable. forgot about that table with the combos. thanks, will try 40mg as psychonaut says it the lowest but dont wanna be like fuarrrk i should have taken more! what about redosing? i dont plan to but what if i feel its not up to my standard

>>20229 never tried ket, but redosing on other dissociatives works just fine if you are budget-minded / something to try in the future is taking an oral dose of a longer-lasting disso, then taking bumps of a short-lived one on top. e.g: low dose of oral DXM + low dose intranasal ket you can also go read reports on erowid, i'm sure there are some examples there of redosing vs single dose, and of combination w/ weed

>>20230 Very good to know. I have soykaf ton of dxm.I was sooner or later gonna ask about that combo

>>20228 I was just told the other day that the last thing to happen was a while ago, a some people from china put out 4-5 new compounds and then the company tanked, the only stuff thats around for fair price is whats already here from those things if you look on the DN.

- found something a little interesting about lecithin enhancing a dxm exp. attached pic claims he found a gem with this combo, anyone here one understand why this could be a thing?

Went to go buy K of CL today but nobody was around so got 2o0

>>20256 N2O** Orignanolioli

Just got some K myself for the first time in a few years. If the stuff is pure a 20-30mg bump should definitely be a good place to start, make sure to weigh it. Cheers.

What do you guys think is the best out of this list? 3-HO-PCE  3-ME-PCP 3,4-MD-PCP MXPCP FXiPR 2F-XiPR NPDPA / Isophenidine TENOCYCLIDINE (TCP) Never tried any of them before, any experiences/info on these would be much appreciated.

>>20377 >>20377 3 ho pce.... MXE is better though. Dck and opce mimicks mxe if combined

>>20487 Thats what the vendor said too, but since it was about to run out they said the last under a gram was going for 1$/mg which is insane.

>How much do you enjoy dissociatives? favorite soykaf ever man >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? How would you rank them? of the ones ive done its ketamine IM> mxe=dxm >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? yeah, lying face down and enjoying the ride if im high enough otherwise like with dxm and mxe listening to music and walking around and soykaf is fun >What is the k-hole like? pretty intense man and nice, you are tripping to the point you dont really know what the fuarrrk. hard to explain i guess

i've taken dissociatives before and they just felt redundant to me. i've already been experiencing dissociative episodes for pretty much my entire life without any chemical assistance so there's nothing really novel or interesting about that feeling to me, in fact i'm pretty tired of it. i don't even need powerful dissociative drugs to trigger a dissociative experience, i can do it just by drinking a few beers, it's the reason i don't really drink much anymore.

>>20583 how different is effect of ketamine IM from other methods of administration?

>>20646 honestly not sure, only ever snorted some once the first time I bought some and about 10 minutes asked myself what the fukc am i doing and just muscled some, then a bigger dose another 20 or 30 min later once i figured out what a decent dose would be

is the DXM 2nd plat really like MDMA? I keep seeing people comparing the two. DXM to me feels like nothing at all until I hit the 3rd plat, that's when soykaf gets real. beneath that I just feel a bit wavy and maybe thoughts that would normally bother me do so less. am I to understand that despite the hype this all MDMA is? surely not right?

Dunno how I to take DXM without vomiting. Last time I dropped DXM in a public area, not a great idea lol. I was vomiting in a public bathroom. I remember I then felt like eating afterwards, so I went to a place and ordered a burger I normally have. I found the spiciness overwhelming (it normally doesn't register) and I was taking tiny bites out of it, and felt full after I ate a quarter of it. The sickness was really bad and made up 90% of my trip so I wonder if it's even worth trying or not.

>>21004 i only compare it to that for the sake of comparison, its nothing like that. only serotonin release is the relatable thing iirc, like feeling hot, energetic depending on how u go about it

>>21009 lain delivers! thanks <3 >>21008 idk if this is an option for you but where I'm from you can buy pills that dissolve under your tongue in a couple minutes. only 15mg of hbr but still very pleasant. I take them in 3s, drinking syrup sounds like kicking dead whales down the beach lol. never experienced any nausea. >dropped DXM in a public area actually I'm afraid you might just be retarded

>>21010 Pill forms aren't technically illegal, but seems like they cracked down on them. They're much harder to find. >actually I'm afraid you might just be retarded Can't lie, it was a pretty bad idea and I would not recommend it in general, especially because of the vomiting. I feel like it's not the DXM itself that induces vomiting primarily, but the syrup additives and crap.

>I feel like it's not the DXM itself that induces vomiting primarily, but the syrup additives and crap. yeah for sure, but I can't imagine navigating a public space while dissociated out of my mind lol. crawling between my desk and my room on all fours last time felt like the odyssey. not to mention the roboitch, photophobia, being unable to see soykaf, being completely numb to pain, moving like a retarded performance artist for everyone to see...

waiting for dxm to arrive to bongland from dxmdirect be like

The craziest dissociative experience I had was when I decarb'd a fuarrrkton of amanita muscaria ( I don't remember the details but this is how you neutralize neurotoxic elements of the thing ). I ended up adding too much water to get the ph right. I had a smallish glass of the resultant 'tea', and it went alright, so the next night I decided to take more. I don't know what came over me but a probably had something like 5 mugfuls. I don't remember everything but moving around made me feel like I had left my body behind, I had other out of body stuff happen as well. I think I got my physical body and my virtual one mixed up, was sure I could control time and space, my mind kept on trying to visualize infinity and hearing murmurs of voices. I ended up just meditating through most of it which, now looking back on it, kind of made it less insane than previous, smaller doses? I felt as though the trip had a smirking voice, acknowledging that I fuarrrked up and was just going to sit there, and things were not as crazy as they could have been. That was intense, but recently (like 6 months ago) I decided to get into dxm. I bought a fuarrrkton of the pure pills (they're so cheap in bulk...) and was basically on a high dose everyday for about 4 months. I thought it was great but long story short it helped induce a manic episode (or maybe the manic episode induced the dxm use idk) and I lost my job and almost got sent to the psych ward. So overall the dxm soykaf was maybe crazier than fly agaric, but to be fair my use was insanely irresponsible. Withdrawal wasn't as bad as I thought, just some shaking dizziness weakness and pins and needles for a week or two after going cold turkey. I'm also pretty depressed now but to be honest that might be unrelated. I don't drink or do anything else other than caffeine and on/off nicotine. I was taking 600-900mg doses. I also took a couple higher doses to try the upper plateaus out. I've already had some high dose dissociative experiences so I didn't feel like that offered anything new or interesting. I've always felt a lot of dissociation/derealization so that specific part of dissociatives mostly feels kinda comfortingly familiar to me. I think the reason I liked dxm so much is that it made socializing much easier for me though I was much dumber, sometimes had more trouble speaking. It kind of put me in a childlike, euphoric state. But after two or three months of use the effects got kind of weaker which was frustrating. Like all things your body gets used to it and you have to either stop or get reeeeally irresponsible (like I wasn't already) so it was pretty easy to quit. I'd like to say I'll stay sober but I'll probably be enthusiastic about trying some other drugs at some point. I'm happy to answer questions if anyone thinks they can learn something from my dumbass.

>>21065 How did you get fired from DXM?

just drank two bottles of dextro, just pure dxm at a decent concentration, aint seen the soykaf sold as such since the 10th grade or so and in a diff country, anyways bout to blast off into dissosociaive land hard, havent robotripped or done K in years, wish me luck lainons besides that ive been drinking all day. bought a cheap motorcycle a couple days ago. been riding around soykafs fun. life has been more pleasant than usual these past few days

>>21067 Not the craziest I've heard. One time someone claimed they ended up with a 7 year prison sentence for god knows what due to dxm abuse. Claimed it started off as fun too

Have been doing quite a lot of O-PCE lately and its pretty good stuff. Hard to explain but its good.

>How much do you enjoy dissociatives? moderately >What are your favourite dissociatives (including RC's)? How would you rank them? MXE Nitrous (better than MXE, but it's just so short lasting much shorter even than DMT, so.. I would be afraid of hitting it non stop for hours due to B vitamin and other possible adverse health effects, but for me it's the purest feeling. MXE is just like a much better Ket and I liked it a lot Ket is my least fav even though might have done the most.. DXM great also, but too long lasting, takes a whole day and I rarely have a day to dedicate for this, just out of personal preference and otherwise fascination with life, I don't want to be incapacitated for so long, hate waiting to be sober when the trip is no longer intense enough, but also I can't yet get back to my life either. Finally Ket, classic dis ofc, but I feel like a trainwreck on it. Admittedly I was when I did it. >Are there any activities which you enjoy doing specifically on dissociatives? Music, getting comfy, getting trippy, thoughs, exploration, writing, maybe a bit of dancing. >What is the k-hole like? I don't think I ever had it even though I did those doses so IDK