Shroom discussion

What have been your experiences with psychedelic mushrooms? Have you ever tried to grow them? What do you think about the therapeutic potential of them? Or the spiritual aspect? Personally, I recently took a moderate dose of shrooms and went on a fun trip. Then the next day, I found that I no longer had feelings of brain fog, depression, procrastination, and hopelessness, among other things. This has persisted for a week so far, and I hope it's permanent. I didn't even realize how bad I felt until the shrooms cleared my mind of these feelings. I hope this improvement continues for a good period of time or is permanent. If shrooms are really effective and consistent treatments for psychological problems (I believe they might be, based on both research and my personal experience so far), then it really casts the field of psychiatry in a bad light. People are prescribed a wide range of different pills, often at the same time, and don't see any significant improvement. If they do, they're trapped in a system of paying for the pills to take them every day. In contrast, shrooms seem to have immediate and complete effects, which are persistent for some unknown average period of time-- months or even years. It would prove that the entire edifice of """evidence-based,""" """modern,"""" and """scientific"""" psychiatric medicine is a bourgeois regression compared to knowledge of fungi that has been part of human civilization for thousands of years. If the medical field is suppressing the truth about effective treatments for PTSD, depression, and anxiety, then how about non-psychiatric medicine?

the serotonin pathway is used in the brain for hierarchical structuring and reinforcement. disrupting it temporarily, as with lsd or shrooms, allows information to flow to areas otherwise restricted which allows the brain to settle into a new state afterwards. hence why they can be useful tools if you are stuck in a particular way of thinking such as in depression. (fasting and sleep deprivation help in a similar way.) the problem for psychiatrists and governments is that this hierarchical structuring is not just on the internal flow of information but also of social position. (notice that for some people what an authority figure says alters their perception to make it true.) psychedelics are automatically anti-status quo and anti-authoritarian. they cannot be used widely because many peoples mental problems are caused by terrible and exploitative external conditions, and they will conclude that the external world must change. so psychiatry takes the opposite strategy: it says society is fine, rebrands all problems as "personal chemical imbalances", and then gives the serotonin reuptake inhibitors that have the opposite effect - they strengthen the effect of hierarchies so that you are unable to see outside them and question them. one should be very skeptical of the medical establishment using psychedelics as treatments. it means that one of two things: either they have gotten better at controlling the trip and now use it to imprint certain though patterns while you are susceptible, and/or it is part of a larger psychological coup against something. take them where you are safe, with friends you can trust. >>10965 shrooms are great. both psychologically and spiritually i think they are useful for showing you ways to proceed, but should then be followed by actual changes and practices like meditation. dont get lost in them thinking that they alone can provide lasting change or show you truth. theyre just tools, and can only re-present what is already in your mind.

>>10966 >one should be very skeptical of the medical establishment using psychedelics as treatments. it means that one of two things: either they have gotten better at controlling the trip and now use it to imprint certain though patterns while you are susceptible, and/or it is part of a larger psychological coup against something. take them where you are safe, with friends you can trust. Absolutely, good post lainon. Look at this article: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/14/magic-mushroom-psilocybin-show-promise-treatment-depression-clinical-trial-finds > “We strongly believe that the … psychotherapy component is as important as the drug action.” > Each psilocybin session – which lasted six hours, including a three- to four-hour “trip” for those on the high dose – was supervised by at least two mental health professionals, with the participants lying on their back, propped up by pillows > All participants received psychological therapy the day after a psilocybin session, as well as a phone or video call in the week after the first dose. If you read any news article about these therapies, they are clearly pushing two main points on psychedelics. 1. Therapy from a therapist is a necessary component of psychedelic mushroom therapy. (This reads almost like they're worried their profession would be obsolete lol) 2. It should be done in a controlled, clinical setting. NOTE they are doing RCT with placebo but no trials testing efficacy outside of a clinical setting without a therapist! Yet it's the most obvious thing to trip on mushrooms in a natural setting, a party, with friends, or in a variety of different situations. >dont get lost in them thinking that they alone can provide lasting change or show you truth. theyre just tools, and can only re-present what is already in your mind. Agreed... Frankly my trip was barely introspective or revelatory at all. It just cleared my head. The biggest realization I've had is just how mentally unwell I really have been in the past decade, and how easy it is to break out of the bad cycles in my life when everything doesn't feel awful.

>>10970 >Look at this article damn thats creepy. this is like "you cannot read the bible yourself you wont understand it correctly" or "you cannot do your own research listen to the experts". >>10970 >Frankly my trip was barely introspective or revelatory at all. It just cleared my head. mine let me directly perceive several abstract ideas i had floating in my head, so could see how they relate to one another. that and gave me much more appreciation for art and food and yoga. so nothing really changed, just breathed more life and vividness into what i was already doing.

If I can say something. Shrooms are good, LSD is not. Me and my friend both tried LSD and we both agree that if we could we would revert time and only do shrooms not try LSD. Shrooms are at the lowest of food hierarchy, they break down organic matter for forest to eat. Everything passes through them, they hold the most information of the animal kingdom. LSD is literally MKULTRA soykaf.

>>11324 Meh lsd is aritificial/chemical not bad or good lol, sure is different from shrooms, but what are you saying is nonsense imho

>>11324 one of the key precursors of LSD is ergotamine, which is extracted from the ergot fungus. Presumably it is psychoactive but also poisonous. LSD is better for "outside" trips since it is a strong stimulant. Hiking on LSD is one of my favorite pastimes. Anyway, this thread is about psilocybin mushrooms. They're very nice! A medium-to-low dose of mushrooms is a great way to kick off a long meditation (not necessarily seeking vipassana or some such, just sitting and having a thonk). Higher doses are a bit much for me; I had a phase of trying to push my limits with psychedelics and I saw some beautiful geometry and felt beautiful things but long-term didn't get any more out of it than I did eating a cap and two stems of penis envy. And on a practical level it's just more effort to stay safe on higher doses. OP: the feeling of enlightenment you have won't last. You'll find that you return to 'real life' slowly but surely, until your trip is just a memory. The important thing is to use this time to end your bad habits and start good ones! I have growed my own before, and I will say that is 100% the only way I will be acquiring magic mushrooms from now on. It's inexpensive, easy, educational, and you end up with more shrooms then you know what to do with. I got almost as much out of growing my own shrooms as I did out of eating them, in fact I plan to grow non-psychedelic mushrooms just to eat them :)

>>10983 >>10970 >Therapy from a therapist is a necessary component of psychedelic mushroom therapy ...or it wouldn't be "therapy" obviously? They are talking about a specific procedure for treating specific ailments, not every single trip you want to take (whether you consider it introspective, spiritual or recreational). Flood detected fücking bullshît, Jesus someone fix this please.

>>10965 I just want to find these in Maine. I'm in the woods all the time and I want to find SOMEthing to help with my depression. I've read so much about how shrooms can really help with depression in small doses. HOW THE fuarrrk DO I FIND THESE? I find mushrooms a lot but it's generally ones you cook with not get high with.

>>11330 P. cubensis likes to grow in cow pastures after it rains.

>>11325 Read up on high ape theory and then come back to me. >>11326 Please ease up on LSD, shrooms are fine since we have evolutionarily adapted to it but synthetic drugs are always much stronger, harder to digest by our system and much more damaging.

>>11332 there are a lot of natural poisons that people have also adapted to such as alcohol and nicotine. All drugs are "synthetic" just some are synthesized by humans in a lab some aren't. Something being "natural" does not automatically make it safer or less powerful... Amanita muscaria mushrooms are known for causing bad trips and nausea at high doses.

>>11333 >Something being "natural" does not automatically make it safer or less powerful. Pathway of metabolisis and breaking of molecules entering your body that have been there for few millenia is much more safe and less powerful than a synthetic drug synthetized in Chinese dirty lab that has been modeled by some supercomputer to completely click with specific receptor in your brain. This is why shrooms last 4 to 6 hours while LSD 12+. This is why synthetic cannabinoids also have higher kick, are longer lasting and having mortality rate. Blood brain barrier is a good defense but even then yoir brain has higher chances of breaking down molecules it evolved to break down. >not everything natural is safe therefore synthetics are okay Yea and I would rather take my chances with cyanide than fentanyl of the same dose but hey, thats just me.

>>11334 >than a synthetic drug synthetized in Chinese dirty lab that has been modeled by some supercomputer to completely click with specific receptor in your brain. LSD was first synthesized on accident by a Swiss chemist. It actually binds to several receptors. >This is why shrooms last 4 to 6 hours while LSD 12+. No it's just because they're different drugs, so they have different effects. Ibogaine lasts for multiple days and it's completely natural. Oh and it also causes delerium and nausea. >Yea and I would rather take my chances with cyanide than fentanyl of the same dose but hey, thats just me. I can pick two random chemicals, one of which is more toxic than the other, too: tetradotoxin (which is synthesized by many plants, animals, and bacteria) is thousands of times more toxic than fentanyl. This conversation will remain stupid and pointless if you continue to say dumb soykaf.

>>10965 >This has persisted for a week so far, and I hope it's permanent. Any updates on that OP? IME these effects wear off after one or two weeks, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your life quality has to go back down to previous levels. Many positive mental habits that you automatically do during the days after the trip can be kept with active effort, regular and honest self reflection, and a generally healthy lifestyle.

>>11334 It kindof makes me feel good to read posts from people who genuinely have no idea what they're talking about. So thanks for that, anon.

>>11335 >LSD was first synthesized on accident by a Swiss chemist. It actually binds to several receptors. I know the whole story, good job on trying to shallowly arrogantly explain something everyone who dabbled in drugs knows. >Ibogaine lasts for multiple days and it's completely natural. Oh and it also causes delerium and nausea. But plant(s) that create such substances aren't as widespread and cannabis or cubensis mushrooms so during evolution it wasn't a common occurance drug that our ancestors might come across. My whole point isn't about natural being better because natural end all be all but because our bodies adapted to it during the millennia. Some people from a specific tribe in Africa have higher running endurance, produce less lactic acid in their muscles and have abnormally large legs compared to the rest of their body. They win most of ultra marathon runs today. Their bodies are literally made for that kind of activity. >I can pick two random chemicals, one of which is more toxic than the other, too: tetradotoxin (which is synthesized by many plants, animals, and bacteria) is thousands of times more toxic than fentanyl. So a defense mechanism of animal is much more potent than a defense mechanism of a plant? And those defense mechanism have much more potent toxicity levels than lets say a plant and a fungi wanting to reproduce and thus symbiotically working with us to do so? Huh who would have thought. Maybe there are even more potent toxic chemicals that we produced? >This conversation will remain stupid and pointless if you continue to say dumb soykaf. Look bud, I wasn't mean and I wasn't offensive to you personally, but I can. For instance being a dumbass that alludes that symbiotic evolutionary biology has nothing to do with how we psychoactively interact with nature around us is DUMB ASS fuarrrk. Not only that but it's also pretty nihilistic to look at everything as just pure chemicals instead of seeing the longlasting history behind how we and our ancestors had interactions with nature. >>11350 Must be a soykafty life if this is how you derive pleasure. You wouldn't say that to my face tho, I know that for sure.

>>11352 just to drive the idea further https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ikyVRQs57I&ab_channel=TerenceMcKenna

>>11352 >I know the whole story then maybe you shouldn't say it is "synthetized in Chinese dirty lab that has been modeled by some supercomputer to completely click with specific receptor in your brain" >But plant(s) that create such substances aren't as widespread and cannabis or cubensis mushrooms so during evolution it wasn't a common occurance drug that our ancestors might come across. It's widespread in central Africa, and all evidence points to the fact that if you go back far enough in time all our ancestors are from central Africa. >Maybe there are even more potent toxic chemicals that we produced? I'm sure there are, although it appears that the #1 spot goes to bacteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose#Examples When you get to LD50 like '1 ng/Kg' there is just no reason for anybody to try and produce a more deadly chemical. There would be no use case at all. >My whole point isn't about natural being better because natural end all be all but because our bodies adapted to it during the millennia. Our bodies are also perfectly adapted to alcohol, it has the longest history of use of any drug, and to this day it destroys more lives than any other drug. Since so many 'natural' drugs are worse than comparable 'synthetic' drugs (look at drugs with similar effects profiles to alcohol, such as MDMA), it's not enough to show a *general mechanism* by which natural > synthetic. Look at LSD and mushrooms in specific: both are very safe in terms of toxicity, both cause similar hallucinations, and both can lead to the same positive effects personally and for society.

>>11356 >then maybe you shouldn't say it is "synthetized in Chinese dirty lab that has been modeled by some supercomputer to completely click with specific receptor in your brain" I wasn't referring to LSD in that particular example but all the current research chemicals that I find on par with LSD >It's widespread in central Africa, and all evidence points to the fact that if you go back far enough in time all our ancestors are from central Africa. Comparatively to Cannabis which is native to europe and asia? Comparatively to shrooms which are native to all the earth? Even if you were to believe in "out of africa" theory, which there are arguments against it btw, you have a few thousand years of interaction with plants native to central africa compared to ALL THE HISTORY to cannabis or shrooms. My point still stands. >Our bodies are also perfectly adapted to alcohol Not really, although it is depending on which haplogroup. East asians have the highest percentage of alcohol intolerances for instance. >and to this day it destroys more lives than any other drug. Not directly, but through drunk driving. >Since so many 'natural' drugs are worse than comparable 'synthetic' drugs (look at drugs with similar effects profiles to alcohol, such as MDMA) So you compare alcohol to MDMA just purely out of their effect profile? >Look at LSD and mushrooms in specific: both are very safe in terms of toxicity, both cause similar hallucinations, and both can lead to the same positive effects personally and for society. Even the scientific literature on this matter would say that rates of HPPD and neurological damage is far greater in LSD users than with mushroom users.

>>11330 >>11330 >>10965 I found these in the forest today? Does anybody know what they are?

>>11366 and these. I think the huge white one is a massive death cap but IDK.

ive taken so many of them that my head is fuarrrking fried. i still see trails all the time and lights are fuarrrked at night. anyone have any similar experiences?

>>11366 >>11367 I think it would be in your best interest not to try and do anything with any of them until you have a good understanding of actual mushroom identification. Your best help would probably be finding a good (maybe regional) book for mushroom identification and carefully researching what you find. Mushrooms can be very deceptive and too many people have died from naivety, don't be one of them lain.

>>11366 >>11367 None of them are psychedelic is that's what you are looking for. A good guide to finding them is Paul Stamet's "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World". It is very unlikely you'll find psychedelic mushrooms just wandering around, instead of looking for a specific type. The easiest one to look for are liberty caps, which grow in meadows when it cools down and have a more unique shape. If you want mushrooms for eating then look for the species that are easy to identify. The species with pores on the underside instead of gills are quite easy to identify, and if you get the species wrong then they will just not taste very nice. E.g. look for Porcini mushrooms. >>11367 Second photo looks like one of these: Suillus luteus (don't know the common English word for it). Better to avoid light coloured mushrooms with gills until you are confident they are not death caps. Hard to tell from that photo. >>11366 First photo I recognise but don't know the species; unlikely to be either tasty or poisonous. Second photo: the top left one might be a saffron milk cap, which are tasty, but I'm not confident identifying it from an unknown region as other mushrooms can look similar. Check the one on the right if it has pores under the cap instead of gills. Third photo is a Russula of some sort. It's possible to eat them but they need to be prepared in some specific way (I havn't tried).

>>10965 I’ve never taken them but my cousin wanted to kill himself after the military and mushrooms saved his life, now he owns a country house and is getting married soon. Glad you’ve figured out that the medical establishment is about enrichening itself and pushing the (((agenda)))…

Can psychedelics be used as a tool to mold my brain like, a welder, into something that better serves my goals (like kicking an addiction or giving a more productive mindset), or will they just turn me into a brain melted mkultra hippie? In my experience people using this stuff tend to fall into the new age escapist vegan type of 'spirituality'.

>>11468 Most heavy mushroom users I know are disc golfers. Just don't overdo it. Most people who get fried from psychedelics are using them for some form of escapism.

>>11468 I'd use it like any actual 'trip.' A trip is a novel experience. Novel experiences induce awe. In a state of awe, your mind is more conducive to suggestibility and change. Imagine trips as softening your neurology and making it malleable during the duration. You could do this over the course of a year if you were in another country, undertaking a crazy job/project, etc—but with psychedelics you can do these operations at home with your 'awe' in a bottle, basically. If you respect this function and don't overdo it, you'll be a-okay. Be reflective and self-respectful during your trip and yeah, you might be able to 'weld' in new features.

>>11468 Guys I found what looks to be golden teacher growing in a dark corner from under a potplant, but I don't think I'm that lucky. It has a hollow stem and stringy flesh, as well as dark under side. Thing is there wasn't any cow soykaf but I think the soil was rich from the pot plant? Also I squeezed it and it got really dark but I can't see blue. I guess it could be just a dark shade of blue. Any tips to identify? Are there any gold look alikes? I can't send pictures as my camera is garbage and will only give you the shape with no good detail. I already identified the shapes/size. Also the top looks good aside from being mottled, maybe age? I'm going to try and propogate it in a nearby cow field, any tips for that too?

>>11471 Shit, mis>>11468 clicked >>10965

Actually maybe my camera is good enough to show the habitat...

>>11471 Should bruise an electric blue with very little handling. Twist and pull one from the ground and you should see a tealish blue. Not a doubtful blue, but a, "Yeah, that's blue." Before the veil breaks the GT's bulbous, gold cap should cling to its stem like Toad from Mario Bros.

>>11474 Thanks bro definitely won't eat it

Any experience using fly amanita? Want to use it as a study aid, specifically for language learning and complex motor tasks, including handwriting and playing instruments.

>>10965 How could an Oregon resident, where psilocybin mushroom production is now conditionally legal, best go about growing on a large scale.

>>11871 Go to this website https://shroomery.org Read stuff Then go do it

>>11872 Follow-up, good chunk of info here: Oregon.gov/psilocybin Must be an oregon resident for two years. And requires getting approvals from local municipal gov, property owner, and paying 10,000 for a license. Looks like the ecnomics of this are not completely straightforward.

>>11571 Late response but mircodosing Amanita (I used a tincture starting at one drop in the morning and one in the evening then adding one more everyday until I'd take 28 drops twice a day and then slowly go down until I reached 0) helped me tremendously with concetratrion and anxiety. I found the 10-14 drops threshhold to work best for me though. If you take it right before going to sleep you'll feel like only a few seconds passed when you wake up and you won't feel sleepy at all. I imagine it would be good for someone struggling with night terrors. If you take it at least an hour or two before bed then you'll sleep normally, Amanita is known for treating insomnia.

>>11571 To add on a bit more, always done "macro" doses although I started fairly low through tea. Personal opinion is it isn't going to help fuarrrk all with productivity or learning. With that said, they're vilified a bit too much but can make for a fun time...a decent dose will make you kinda tipsy/giddy and just enjoy yourself. When you start getting to the edge of hard tripping things become very disorientation and frankly compared to other entheogens doesn't hold a lot of merit.(although a light dose could make a good launching point)

>>12056 Why all microdoses amantia? I think, 3-7g in a couple of times(1 on 1-2 month), maybe 10 (im talking about dried hats, maybe it's so much, Start with 3g and let more, if you can) better. But it needs a comfortable place and "other world blackout" , e.x. phone calls, messages and etc. Alone, in semi-dark room, with small light. I got some strange things, like normality of this world and me, and everything is as it is and nothing else. Super Calm. I droped all drugs btw after that.

>>12056 Thanks for your response. I haven't processed or used them yet, so it's really helpful. Which dilution and solution did you use for your tincture? The effects should be different depending on hot water extract vs. dryed. (Muscimol vs Picrotoxin) >>12087 I asked about microdosing because there seems to be some evidence that the toxins each can support learning processes, depending on the preparation. I will try macro at some point as well.

Anyone have experience of panaeolus? I've seen people say they're darker and others say they're happier and without anxiety and more visual.

>>10965 I would say that magic mushrooms and LSD are probably the safest drugs overall. But how do you make sure that the stuff you bought is not something else than the seller said? I'm also worried about 'shrooms containing dangerous molds. How common issue that would be?

>>12397 For mushrooms, you look at them. A litmus test is if you hit one and wait, they'll bruise in a bluish purplish color. Just look up any mushroom identifying guide. For LSD or extracted psilocybin/psilocin, use a reagent kit. You put drops of different reagents on miniscule amounts of the drug in question on a white ceramic plate, the reagents will change color, or not, and you compare the results with a color chart that identifies the drug. The test kits will contain the chart and more detailed instructions. Moldy shrooms aren't common unless they're grown by someone inexperienced. Your dealer will show you the shrooms and you can visually inspect them for mold. The more common issue is people experiencing come up anxiety then convincing themselves that the shrooms were moldy, too potent, contaminated with the latest super scary drug or cutting agent the media is obsessed with, or some other unrealistic fear, then freaking themselves out, having a bad trip, then bringing it up every time someone mentions shrooms around them for the rest of their life.

I currently have 6 grow kits of shrooms (Mazatapec, Golden Teacher, Ecuador and 2 B+), 6 grain spawns (Mazatapec, Golden teacher, B+ and 3 Ecuadorian), 5 Liquid cultures (Maz, GT, B+ and 2 Ecua) All in the works. I will have a massive operation soon brothers.

>>12405 Nice. I think when I settle down in a while I'll give growing a try.

>>12405 >>12410 I can't stooppppp This hobby is too addiczing ahhhhh

>>12425 do you have a pressure cooker? i guess you probably do since you've made liquid culture.

>>12426 Nah, I have tried going around buying it but actually I do not. I just boil things in a big pot and then while things are still hot I polyfilm the edges so that I don't get contam inside the jars. Effectively no need for a pressure cooker when all you are trying to do is raise the temp so high it kills all the bacteria and viruses. Afterwards, whether you use pressure cooker or big pot you have to be careful about handling it with gloves and etanol cleaning every step of the way but all in all I personally think that a lot of mycology community is anal about trivial things that can be easily evaded with same results. For instance the Uncle Ben tek aka Spiderman tek. People buy premade sterile food grade brown rice precooked in Uncle Ben bags, they microwave them, wait to cool and then just inject with spore syringe. Voila. No need for anything. I have bough a lot of stuff I didn't end up using in the end, like aquarium heater for cultivation and petri dishes. I do use malt extract but sparingly, and coco coir I am waiting on actually using. But yea, once you understand what is needed then you can mix and match what you read on net and not take everything as gospel.

>>12427 >Effectively no need for a pressure cooker when all you are trying to do is raise the temp so high it kills all the bacteria and viruses. That's exactly what a pressure cooker does. Have you actually fruited yet? What's your jars' success rate? Your process sounds like it's heaven for bacteria and mold spores. Personally I followed a pretty basic whole oat tek, fruited in a shoebox, got good results. I wanted to keep going but I had to move in with my parents, haven't got around to trying again.

>>12428 >That's exactly what a pressure cooker does So does a normal boiling pot. Anything above 45 degrees C kills bacteria, no need to increase pressure to go above 100 C >Have you actually fruited yet? Not yet >What's your jars' success rate? All grain spawns don't have any mold or bacteria, they are growing nicely >whole oat tek, fruited in a shoebox fruiting in shoebox you say, might even try that interesting >I wanted to keep going but I had to move in with my parents, fuarrrk that is like kicking dead whales down the beach. Have you thought of "guerilla gardening"? Becoming a bioterrorist and just cloning and creating liquid culture to just squirt all around the neighborhood? I did 3 injections of LC around my hood in kind of secret corners, we will see if anything comes out of it.

>>12430 >Anything above 45 degrees C kills bacteria, no need to increase pressure to go above 100 C Fundamentally, its more about how long you keep the temperature elevated. You could theoretically pasteurize your grain spawn, I've heard of people doing that, but it takes 10+ hours. The higher the temperature, the less time you have to keep the temperature high. This is why pressure cookers are popular among mushroom cultivators. >fruiting in shoebox you say Specifically these kinds. Mycelium would eat cardboard and probably cause problems. >Have you thought of "guerilla gardening"? Becoming a bioterrorist and just cloning and creating liquid culture to just squirt all around the neighborhood? Doubt it would work. Mycelium is a lot more picky in the wild, where it has to compete with other stuff on a level playing field. I have tried burying established mycelium cakes in the forest before, but they got dug up by someone or something.

>>12432 >The higher the temperature, the less time you have to keep the temperature high. I mean yea, but why is having it few minutes less on a stove any better? All I do is boil my jars for 30minutes and they are well sterilized inside and out. 30 minutes on 100 degrees is far than enough to kill all the bacteria, it would appear to me. There is no need for 10 hours or how many hours. >Doubt it would work. Mycelium is a lot more picky in the wild, where it has to compete with other stuff on a level playing field. The tactic being is "big numbers" rather than specific environment. Cubensis loves urban soykafting grounds and the dutch have proven their supersoaker tactics known https://realitysandwich.com/the_dutch_spore_uprising/ > I have tried burying established mycelium cakes in the forest before, but they got dug up by someone or something. Damn that is like kicking dead whales down the beach, I bet the curiosity got the better of someone because of dug up terrain

>>12434 >I mean yea, but why is having it few minutes less on a stove any better? *hours >All I do is boil my jars for 30minutes and they are well sterilized inside and out. They are not. >30 minutes on 100 degrees is far than enough to kill all the bacteria It is not. Endospores can easily survive temperatures higher than that for time longer than that. There are 100% bacteria living in your jars, your mycelium is just dealing with it I guess. Still too early to tell if it will be a problem. >Cubensis loves urban soykafting grounds Pretty sure I've never seen one growing in an urban environment here. I don't live in perfectly ideal psilocybin terrain like dutchies do though.

>>12436 I have read that 30 minutes is enough and seemingly I have no issues with it. Pressure cooking for 8 hours is not an idea I can stand behind as it doesnt really matter if its 99.9% or 99.99% of bacteria free. >endospores Doesn't seem to be an issue in most things to be honest. I would rather throw a dice and see if I get lucky or not and seemingly all 6 grain jars are well. >An endospore is a dormant, tough, and non-reproductive structure produced by certain bacteria from the Firmicute phylum. Endospore formation is usually triggered by lack of nutrients, and usually occurs in Gram-positive bacteria >Pretty sure I've never seen one growing in an urban environment here I dud, but I was 15 years old so ://

>>12436 Can one cultivate psilocybin in hay bales?

>>12440 It has been done. You need to live in the right environment though.

>>12405 >>12425 I want to get into this, any tips, or best resources Also what kind of investment am I looking at, I'm from a soykafhole and 200-300$ is a lot for me

>>12540 Well if you're in a soykafhole then probably things like mason jars, tape for filters, grains, etc should be pretty cheap. The most expensive component will be the pressure cooker, but if you want you can also just pasteurize your grain spawn on the stove.

How did you decide on how to do your first trip? Everyone gives slightly different advice, I don't really know what would be best because I have no experience yet. Since I have no tripsitter (or would have to ask people I haven't talked to in a while to get one, which would be non ideal since you probably want someone you deeply trust) I am thinking about how to minimize chances of bad trip on my own. One option would be to pick good music and a sleeping mask, lay down in my bed and stay there for a couple of hours. This would probably be a bit more boring than actually seeing things, so I also consider being in my room (which is not very clean, which might also become a problem from what I heard) and maybe try painting, looking at fractal images and writing down my thoughts. Or I would also like to go into a forest, but there is a non negligible chance of meeting strangers there, which would probably be terrible. I also don't know when to do it, people say you should have a couple of free days afterwards which is already hard enough, then you are also supposed to wait for good weather and stuff like that. I am probably overthinking, but I fear that I run into serious issues due to a bad trip or somehow fuarrrking up by getting people (strangers in the forest or maybe people I call on the phone if that is something you would do on shrooms, idk) worried and calling police or ambulance. Then there is that problem of acquiring them in the first place, ordering on a dark net market could get me into problems if the seller has been busted, and if I just order spores and grow myself (which seem to be legal in Germany but I only find retailers from other countries) I fear that I will end up on a list too. How can I stop worrying and start deciding on how to do things?

>>12440 Back in the day (15-23 years ago) this used to be the sort-of standard. Hay + dung. It's effectively considered an almost completely depreciated practice for psychedelic shrooms because the material is such absolute ass to work with whatever savings (and at the scales where those would be significant you're going to be purchasing your dung) on materials you manage to squeeze out will be almost completely eaten by the time and preparation costs. Yes. Even in the modern economy.

>>11324 >Shrooms are at the lowest of food hierarchy, they break down organic matter for forest to eat. Everything passes through them, they hold the most information of the animal kingdom. LSD is literally MKULTRA soykaf. God created natural entheogens like shrooms, they’re like a corner of creation we can explore if we wish. But synthetics like cid and molly are akin to witchcraft and ouija, I’ve never touched them and never plan to.

>>12544 Get the mushrooms first then worry about the when. Be sure that you've been in a good mood for at least a week prior and that you're in a place that's safe. Have a trustworthy sober friend with you to trip sit if you do go out and under these conditions you won't have any problems regardless of what you actually do while you trip. If you need to do it alone clean your room first. You'll definitely want to do something while you trip, I don't think the sleeping mask trying for the meditative experience is a good idea first time unless you already have a meditation practice. Music is good, a funny movie or nature documentary, visual art to contemplate, and of course explore the things you have passion for while you're in the psychedelic state. I don't see much talk about it either but it would be a good idea to wait until around age 25 to give your brain time to develop before you tie dye it Trust your intuition, you'll understand what I mean when you come back

>>12652 >Get the mushrooms first then worry about the when Wise advice. It's best to find an opportunity. If you have them, you'll save yourself the hassle of having to find them when you find the right time. It could take a while. And remember: Don't worry too much. You're gonna be alright.

Is there any evidence that long term consumption of shrooms has negative effects on your brain? I mean I read about taking microdosis to improve neuroplasticity on your hippocampus but In want to see if taking one or two dosis affects your brain negatively. I don't smoke and dont drink alcohol/energy drinks not because it destroys my body, that is irrelevant, I want to preserve my brain and I want to know if shrooms are bad for your brain short-mid term. I want to seek truth and want to think creatively but I just really wanted to ask if someone has studies about it.

>>12788 If you continue to ignore your body and think of your brain as an isolated entity, you will have a bad time. Brain is body, it is connected with all other organs and bodywide systems and functions in millions of ways. Forget the brain in a vat mentality and embrace your body, my friend, you will see that your brain will also thank you for it, generously.

>>12790 tranks for responding to my question

How long should one wait between heating the needle and sticking it into the jars?

>>12794 8 to 10 hours no less

>>12795 I know its probably only a few seconds but I wasnt sure if there was some good standard to go by.

>>12791 There is a lot of study going on in the US as shrooms move towards legalization, and I just legally purchased some shroom chocolate bars in my glorious nations capital. From personal experience, they dissociate patterns and allow for epiphanies as those patterns "bleed into" each other, like mixing paint slowly. These epiphanies can be both good and bad, insofar as they potentially solicit errant thoughts that cam build into a psychotic complex. For those of us who're predominantly introspective, this issue resolves as we engage in ordering our thoughts over time. Prolonged use exacerbates these negative effects, and while I consider any negatives impermanent, as they will resolve, there is one thing you absolutely need to know: The effects of psychedelic use can be seen in the brain via MRI up to 6 months after the dose. Science is impartial on whether this is "good or bad" but there's a lot of research going on right now that suggests the effects are very much irrefutably beneficial for everyone. And don't microdose that's fuarrrking retarded. We have plenty of studies that prove it's useless. Basically, taking it every day forms a new "baseline" and you won't get any benefits at all, nor any negative. Microdosing basically makes the drug completely inert. >inb4 microdosers ITT claiming their psychosomatia changed their lives >"brrrrrrooooo mgo I'm so high I just took a whole gram of mushrooms" 3.5g is the minimum dose. Experiment with lower so you're comfortable. Once every six months is guaranteed safe. Once every month is probably safe. I've experimented with multiple times a week and found the tolerance peak, and then experimented with that. Once every 3 days is fine, once every week is probably 20% tolerance. After a month you'll have 0% tolerance. Microdosing is 100% tolerance and once again is completely useless.

>>12798 do you have any studies or sources? Gonna try to find myself but i'll ask just in case

>>12798 >And don't microdose that's fuarrrking retarded. We have plenty of studies that prove it's useless. Basically, taking it every day forms a new "baseline" and you won't get any benefits at all, nor any negative. Microdosing basically makes the drug completely inert. Just take it every few days instead of every day? I microdosed every 3 days and never got ant noticeable tolerance.

>>12798 >I just legally purchased some shroom chocolate bars in my glorious nations capital. Store recommendations? I'm going to be passing through there at some point this summer.

>>12800 checked, this is also my experience with microdosing psil.

I'm probably alone in this but from my experiences shrooms aren't very euphoric or powerful. the strongest high I ever got from em was the first time I tried em. took 3 grams and had some trippy visuals and existential thoughts for a few hours. didn't last as long as I thought it would. after that I'd take up to 4 grams at a time and it would be like strong weed that isn't as euphoric. lsd is waaaaay better to me. it's actually quite potent and euphoric to me. every time I do shrooms I end up smoking weed to make it less boring and it always wears off way faster than lsd.

>>12799 Eh I don't feel like sourcing the stuff, it's pretty popular though >Microdosing silicon valley is a good search to start with, it's really popular with thinkers and anyone who's enjoyed the week after tripping, and it's benefits are why people come to the microdosing conclusion to begin with. Sorry if I seemed aggressive in my former post denouncing it, it's usually DXM tier retards who swear by it. I should have been more specific, too, as the microdosing I'm talking about is specifically "daily use of an amount too small to get high." as >>12800 brought up, every 3 days is even within my own tolerance guidelines, and a less-then-perceptual dose should still offer benefits as long as the tolerance is respected. >>12806 LSD and shrooms are extremely similar and even share a tolerance. LSD is dopaminergic whereas psil is not. Ostensibly both provide the same/similar benefits as nootropics, but the science isn't out yet.

>>12825 I see. Yeah, the people I know who "microdosed" every day basically were taking half a tab of LSD every day and getting almost nothing out of it, just frying their brains for no reason.

So i have 6 pieces of chocolate and 200u tab. I want to achieve ego death for the first time. any tips?

>>12828 just take it all and you'll ego death for sure. Worst case scenario is that you'll have an interesting story to tell :)

>>12828 post back after your trip :D

>>12827 >Frying their brains I don't know, the math professors and programmers using it don't seem to be any worse for wear. If a Seratonin analogue fries your brain, Seratonin itself fries your brain. Leave the thinking to the people who're good at it, fam, and if you're not intelligent, please stay far away from classical psychedelics. Retards give good drugs a bad name. I'll reiterate; Microsoft daily forms a new Seratonin reuptake baseline and is equivalent to not using the drug at all.

>>12833 fuarrrking autocorrect >Microsoft daily >Microdosing* daily

The potential for LSD/psil being the most effective nootropic thus far discovered shouldn't be discounted. But that is to say, if you're an idiot, it won't help you not be stupid. It makes smart people smarter. You literally can't fix stupid without a bullet, so people like that should kindly seek their own method of bettering themselves: A bullet.

>>12833 Like I said, the only person I know who "microdosed" daily, which i must reiterate meant he was taking over 50 micrograms of LSD every day just to feel it, definitely damaged his mind with it (and by abusing DMT as well). He was also a genius musician, but you can be a genius musician and brain damaged at the same time. I have microdosed LSD and psilicybin myself in much smaller quantities and I find it great for doing mathematics. If people are going to take it seriously we have to admit that these drugs do have the potential for abuse.

>>11330 Buy it off the internet idiot >>11366 >>11367 Don’t eat those. Any mushroom you find could be really poisonous Only go hunting if you are absolutely sure, and go looking for a certain species in a certain area or conditions in which they are known to grow in

>>12828 First figure out the dose of the chocolates before you decide how many to take. Awesome gif btw!

>>11366 >>11367 If you didn't spore print it don't just trust the looks face value, you will die.

>>12851 Thank you! So the dosage listed is 3 square pieces has 800mg of "Magic Blend." And there are two servings. I have been told that LSD and Shrooms don't work together. But i think the person that told me that is probably wrong? dunno. but then again this person does weed and LSD all the time and that isn't a good idea as I have heard

shroom chocolates are often just overpriced psilocybin analogues. I wouldn't believe that a shroom chocolate actually contained psilocybin unless I witnessed a person grind up mushrooms and mix them into chocolate.

>>13036 Doesn’t seem plausible to me considering how easy it is to produce and get ahold of shrooms and that they grow almost any place in the world in some form or another

>>12865 They absolutely work together and even share a tolerance. But it's nothing you would notice, just an increased potency of the same high. These are classical psychedelics that (mostly) do the same thing. It would be like stacking meth with adderal. >>13036 Purchased legally in a first world country I doubt they're fake, as they were produced legally and as a food grade product are subject to inspection by local authorities. Being a recreational drug the dosages are likely even chemically audited to within a milligram, just like alcohol or nicotine vaporizers.

Started growing P. cubensis two weeks ago. Due to relatively low temperature (~17C at midday) and lack of good sunlight most of the day mycelium is spreading really slow and at this rate it will take some time to see the first pins. I wonder if adding small amounts of warm water every day is a good idea or not. Any tips?

Is it generally ok to have a 3.2g shroom trip + 30mg mdma... at home? I wanted to make it all cozy, place water everywhere, reassuring messages, a good playlist and meditate. I'd prefer to be outside, but I am terrified of not being able to go back home, or something happening like someone talking to me in the midst of it all. I could perhaps sit on the balcony and look at the forest around my home, but low key afraid of falling or something weird. After all, you lose all tethers to ordinary reality at some point

>>13105 inside trips are fine but all my best trips have been outside. Maybe take 1.5g inside just to get a feel for the space and then 1.7 outside a few weeks later

>>13105 I often just lie down with some music if I'm tripping on my own. 3.2g is a big dose, depending on the strain and quality. Is definitely feel a lot better alone inside than outside, but with a friend, being in the forest is amazing.

I know there are a few growers in this thread, I'm in the process of obtaining some spore swabs (Z-Strain and JMF) locally. I'm a complete beginner and wondering if anyone who maybe saved some links of good teks can guide me a bit. shroomery forums are a bit of a clusterfuck for newbs like me with all the acronyms and low quality OPs - even in supposed "beginner" threads. I'm going for high yields and it took a couple hours of reading to realise that the most commonly recommended tek for beginners (PFTEK) isn't really high yielding. Right now I'm opting for the Uncle Ben tek, seems pretty easy and I don't want to deal with jars yet. Can anyone recommend some teks for: - swab > agar > syringe that's easy to follow - uncle ben tek that actually werked for them - easy still air box construction - tek for transferring uncle bens to the grow container for high yield In particular I'm confused about the transfer from jars/uncle bens bags to the grow container, I've seen people mix up all the cakes in with the growing medium and I've also seen people just dump the cakes onto the growing medium intact (doesn't this result in far less yield?). Another thing I've seen are teks that say to drill holes in the tubs, but other teks that drilled no holes, left the lid slighly open and got huge yield. I don't know which to choose. Guess I should also contribute to the thread :) for anyone completely new, tek = growing technique. For anyone that gets a lot of anxiety like I do on hallucinogens, the last time I tripped I was on an SNRI which killed most of the psychological and bad parts of the trip, but the visuals were still intact (pretty high dose)

>>13104 I'm in about the same temps but yet to start growing, might be an idea to invest in a heat mat/pad that are usually used for beer brewing, I was just talking to a spore dealer and they said that optimal temp is 25-28C.

>>13121 -use whole oats if you can (rye berries are also good). I think Bod's was the tek I used the first time and got a modest harvest before I had to move. -to transfer the jars to the grow container/substrate there are a few ways to do it, most people recommend putting down a layer of substrate followed by broken up mycelium followed by a thin layer of substrate -to make a still air box I just did it super lazy style, got a cardboard box and some tin foil & shrink wrap and cut some arm holes and a visibility hole, tin foiled the whole inside and wiped it down good. It worked. -wrt holes or no holes: it's best to have holes covered by micropore tape if you can't guarantee the room the tub is in will be relatively uncontaminated (e.g. if you use the room frequently). Otherwise just leave the lid open.

I'm considering trying out growing them, just because I think it would be a cool hobby to have on the side away from the computer. I've looked around on shroomery.org, there's so much information and so much to learn so it would definitely take some time to get the hang of what the process is. I don't feel confident in getting those grow kits, they seem overpriced for what amounts to a small plastic tub and a few materials you could buy from the store yourself. I've done it once, and it was a really important experience for me. I didn't feel the need to smoke weed anymore. I'm starting to open up a bit more socially. I used to be next to completely nonverbal, now I can somewhat make my way through a conversation or an interaction. I still stutter a lot, but I feel like I'm able to work on it bit by bit. I realized just how little it matters what others think of me, particularly in regards to my parents and what they think of my sexuality. Who gives a fuarrrk what they think? I love who I love, and I'm happy with who I am in that way, and that's what matters. The visuals were wild. It was my first trip on any psychedelic, after all. I don't regret it for a second. I will do shrooms again eventually when I have the time. I've since tried LSD too and it's also been great, although my trips with them have been more for fun rather than introspection and spiritual/mental growth and healing.

>>13104 probably too late to matter by now but did you start with spores or liquid culture? that has an impact on colonization time, LC is faster

>>10965 I grew some in college. First time I tried them I had 2g of fresh shrooms we had just grown. I figured I would jump right in with a full dose since that worked well for me when I tried weed for the first time. It was really pleasant for a while, the visuals were amazing, I wished, at the time, that things always looked like that. Anyways, later that evening I go for a walk with my roommates, and walking got me to thinking, and thinking got me to overthinking. Eventually we ended up in an orchard and the stars were out and while looking up at the stars I kind of became struck with dread, horror, and realization at my own existence. I was studying machine vision at the time and the rest of the night I couldn't stop picking apart every little mechanical part of my mind I could. I got hungry, so I had some dinner. I got about halfway through my meal before I could no longer understand or speak English, I struggled to consciously think of anything at all. I don't fully recall what happened, but I think I must have decided to try some weed at this point to calm myself down, which would explain what happened after. At some point, while on the couch, I lost the ability to see, and it's hard to verbalize what I was experiencing at this point other than that it felt as though it lasted an eternity, and it was probably the most traumatic experience of my life. Eventually, I regained consciousness and was clinging onto a little electric space heater for dear life, but constantly alternating between being freezing cold and unbearably hot. It took about 6 months for me to feel completely human again, but I still get panicky whenever I get a full stomach now, which is a problem because I'm actually underweight. Anyways, that all said, I still microdose from time to time. I especially like to take a little before going to an art museum or if I'm hanging out in the woods. Ultimately, I think I do really think psilocybin can be a valuable and powerful tool for some people and I think I am genuinely a better person for having had my experiences with it, but I also think mushrooms are really only for those who look for them and not something to be prescribed.

>>13298 >...think mushrooms are really only for those who look for them and not something to be prescribed. Really interesting perspective, lainon. I disagree with this solely because drugs are currently prescribed. I believe they should all be available without any need for something like that, to think of prescription and the system we have in place as something that should remain in place is kinda silly to me. thanks for sharing your experience.

>>13299 I think the fact that they aren't prescribed is part of what makes them what they are. If we started prescribing people mushrooms, that results in the medical establishment sort of uprooting the substance from its cultural roots as folk medicine, and cedes control to the medical establishment, potentially making it harder for people like us to grow our own and use it as we see fit for ourselves. The answer, in my opinion, is decriminalization, not medical canonization.

Lain I have a problem, a pf tek problem. So I tried doing my first attempt, my jars colonized properly and I put them in a fruiting chamber with vermiculite. But when I noticed after a couple of days they started to grow some white fuzz I though they were contaminated and I threw it all out. Now upon doing further research and experimenting with my second round I am seeing people say that is not a form of contamination but is natural??? On this second round for some odd reason half of my jars did not colonize at all and one of them only has colonized half way after like 5 weeks of sitting. I have reason to believe that the jars which did not colonize at all are due to the fact that the spores in the syringe were not properly distributed upon inoculation OR that the jars had not cooled down enough yet from the sterilization. Will be making extra carefully sure not to allow either of those things to happen with my soon to be third attempt. Today I popped out two jars, one of which which fully colonized and the second of which is 97% colonized, but according to what I heard you can wash off the small piece that did not colonize and put it in the fruiting chamber so thats what I did. Then I had a jar that was only half full with substrate because a bit was left over, and I did not notice any contamination from the outside but when opening it I noticed it had a small amount of green mold from the inside. After the fact I heard you should never open a contaminated jar in your grow room, so I hope that did not cause a serious problem. I am currently trying to do the old school version of a PF TEK as explained in the original late 90s manual for it but it seems like the manner in which that describes things is somewhat different than other ways of doing it that I have heard are improvements. I have round of spores left and am thinking about buying brand new jars and a fresh set up for everything before trying it. What advice can yall give?

>>13751 best advice is to go post on shroomery, they have a ton of resources

>>12393 They were very visual, very spiritual and very comforting to me.

>>13299 What? Hecka gay perspective dude. People should be free to buy any drug they want at the store or make it themselves. No one really gives a fuarrrk about safety. It's not like we restrict people from buying aspirin but it's one of the most commonly used drugs for suicide and there are about 3,000 deaths from it per year. Benadryl gives you dementia when consumed chronically. All drugs used to be legal over the counter, you know, and it was tyrannical puritans who merely want you to suffer that started prohibition/prescription law. Drug law is totally arbitrary puritanical bullshit. Drugs that make you feel good but are less physically toxic than bleach should be AT LEAST as unregulated as bleach.

>>13751 I think shredding the cakes into shoeboxes is easier than the fruiting chamber which can be finnicky. Get some coir and some shoeboxes, hydrate the coir and break up two cakes per shoebox, mixing with the coir (about half a brick per shoebox if I remember right, should be deep but not to the top). Add a top layer of coir and throw a plastic bag over the top with some holes in it.

>>13121 If you get the spores onto agar and a clean culture after a few transfers there's no need to go back to a syringe, it just overcomplicates things. Just cut a piece of clean agar and drop it directly onto grains. Uncle bens worked for me as described on the reddit (shoot syringes directly into the bags, micropore tape, still air box), but you'll have a few bags get contam. Will still work but your overall yield will be lower Still air box is dead easy, get a plastic tub and cut some arm holes in it with bolt cutters or something similar. Shoeboxes are a pretty easy way to go from colonized grains (uncle bens or whatever), grab some coir, hydrate it, and mix with the colonized grains, throw a top layer on and wait.

>>13807 Safety is one of the main arguments for the legalisation of drugs though.. don't have to worry about people being sold bad/impure/fake drugs if they are manufactured and sold by a regulated company or the user is able to cultivate their own weed, shrooms etc. Most of the fentanyl deaths wouldn't have happened if drugs were legal and available at drugstores.

>>13846 Guess you were unable to to read my earlier post, so I'll repeat myself just for you: safety is clearly not the reason drugs are criminalized. Plenty of substances are far more deadly than scheduled drugs, but no one cares because they're not as fun. The puritanical/tyrannical aws against drugs are NOT about safety; there is no rhyme or reason other than punishing people for having fun. For instance, instead of criminalizing bleach, we just slap a big "do not eat" sticker on it and hope for the best. Babies are actually the most at risk to dying from eating bleach... so why is it so easy for anyone to buy bleach without a special license for it? Think of the children! Or what about acetaminophen, a drug which kills thousands of a people a year? Or hell, what about alcohol which actually is pleasurable, one of the most deadly, destructive drugs around, and only legal because of the suffering the hang over causes.

After 15 years its finally happening. Glory be to God. Havent had more than a microdose of "hats" in a few years now. Praying its gonna be a good Fall full of fun guys and cac-ties! >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17SMj12MnKQ

>>13751 >white fuzz as long as it doesn't smell unpleasant this is usually a sign of not enough fresh air exchange. the first thing I'd try would be fanning them more often or whatever's appropriate for your setup.

First flush on my second tub :D

>>13959 learned this after the fact. too bad i ruined the first round but second worked. had a nice microdose of aborts last night.

>tl;dr macha and mushies sucked IME. details follow I found a bad combo lainons. It's probably one of those YMMV things where someone will say this is their favorite way to have tea and I'm crazy for not enjoying it but I did not enjoy the experience. I did eat part of a dried cap within 90 minutes of having the tea which I admit was retarded, but my initial dose was under a gram so the total can't have been higher than 2g total, probably less. I'm used to that amount so I think the more likely culprit was mixing 3g of macha powder into the tea. >set and setting? both were fine, I get giddy once I've determined I have a few hours to myself and I start making the stuff. I went on a walk in a safe place and saw people but none of that set me off. after I got home and laid in bed was when it started feeling bad in a way that's hard to quantify. I took enough that there was an overwhelming amount of cognitive and visual stimulation like usual, but it was too much. Normally my relation to the stuff is I come and spend a few hours staring at whatever it is that stares back, learning a little about myself, and just feeling good and laughing a lot. The macha either dialed up the intensity of the overwhelmingness, or reduced my ability to take it all in without feeling horrified. None of the actual content of the trip felt more negative than what I'm accustomed to, though, and the comedown phase seemed like it did not want to let go of me, I can recall at least three separate moments when I thought I was ready to stand and go about my business but I got caught in the same fractal thought loop again. If I had to sum the whole experience up into a single statement, it would be something like: ordinary consciousness is a gift and a safe haven because you can't fuarrrking handle staring into the infinite abyss of eternity all the time. think I'll stick to just mixing it with lemon and hot water from now on.

>>14072 Beautiful! Can’t wait to do a spring grow!

>>15040 I've always been sensitive to uppers, including caffeine, but it doesn't stop me from drinking 5-10 cups a day - On a normal day. Some things I do before a trip >Limit coffee >Hydrate, to include electrolytes >Exercise hard and stretch to free up brain chemicals >Ice cold shower to regulate adrenaline related stuff I also noticed with this preparation I don't like to smoke weed while tripping, despite smoking a lot and having smoked plenty while up. It's like the weed garbles up the signals so instead of it just being hard to concentrate because of the mushrooms I instead feel like sauce trying to untangle spaghetti >saw people terrifying

>>15040 Redosing never works with shrooms even if you did it within 30 minutes. Also you probably mixed in too much matcha. Should have just done like a gram or two of both mushroom and matcha in a tea with honey.

>>15284 Sorry I meant 90* minutes...That is a notorious thing with mushrooms though, about 20 minutes after you ingest them on an empty stomach your tolerance to them goes way up when it comes to taking more making redosing generally ineffective.

>>11367 >>11366 dude i can tell you with 100% certainty none of these are magic. you may even have a galerina in it, which will kill you, don't eat any of those.

>>15284 >>15301 Duly noted, thanks for saving me from wasting more in the future :)

This is magic mushroom, KGB soykaf oot.

>>10965 received my "cop cya" growset.

How many fresh cubes should a first time user take? What would be the proper dosage for them, freshly picked and not dried?

>>16008 you ain't asking, but i'm telling: check shroomery.org for advice >>16009 re: dosage: -> psychonautwiki.org -> erowid.org -> shroomery.org if you've never done psychs before, follow the standard advice: -> good setting critical (ideally, in a home you own, alone or with 1 life-long ultra-trusted friend who has done it before) -> good state of mind critical (don't be depressed or whatever) -> have some food and water around -> don't be afraid to purge if nauseous also i recommend lowballing if you are new- better to feel things out the first time

>>16010 I'll check out shroomery. The set came without any instructions whatsoever. >don't be depressed I never get this common advice. as far as I'm concerned the purpose of psychedelics is to put you into a completely different state of mind and thus you have the ability to restructure your thinking. If anything, my experiences with LSD are that it elleviates depression, at least temporarily for up to a week of afterglow. What you do with that "enlightenment" is up to you in the end.

>>13847 >dude awful tasting cleaning agent chemical is more toxic than {insert pleasurable physically addicting drug}. Let's legalize every hard drug there is Yes, the drugs are fun and most people are hedonistic, pleasure driven cattle who will destroy themselves for every bit of pleasure. But if anything, the last thing the government wants to prevent us from is having "fun". Every other sort of "fun" has been decriminalized for decades now. But the powers that be also want us to be good little wage slaves. Hard drugs that make you unable to perform the most basic tasks kinda run counter to that. With psychedelics and weed this argument can very well be made though. There are many underage users who as a substitute for weed destroy themselves with over the counter allergy medication and cough pills which cause permanent brain damage. I guess as an anon pointed out earlier in the thread, psychedelics are much harder to control. That's why the default recommendation by the new soros funded psychedelic gurus is to do it in a controlled, clinical setting.

>>13847 >dude jumping off cliffs is more lethal than crystal meth >why is meth illegal?

>>16013 >dude people are dumb and need a nanny state to protect them from hurting themselves >let's criminalize fast food, firearm ownership, and voting Just in case this went over your head, I am mocking your poorly thought-out position on drug relegalization.

>>16011 I assumed by first user you meant first time ever with psychs, not first time with shrooms. For a first-time psych user, I'd recommend waiting until your head is in a good place to avoid freaking out etc. If you've done psychs before, that's a different story entirely. Then I'd agree with: >I never get this common advice. as far as I'm concerned the purpose of psychedelics is to put you into a completely different state of mind and thus you have the ability to restructure your thinking. >If anything, my experiences with LSD FWIW, shrooms are a lot more of a wild ride than LSD.

>>16017 >your poorly thought-out position on drug relegalization. Relegalization? I guess you mean criminalization? I was talking about "hard drugs", not a drug ban in general. >dude people are dumb and need a nanny state to protect them from hurting themselves Yes. People need to be protected from themselves. They are liable to manipulation and peer pressure which is now largely displaced by subversive media. >let's criminalize (...) voting For the aforementioned reason democracy is obviously very flawed. >firearms Again a very lacking comparison of completely different things. Firearms are tools, and a liability to good people to be misused by bad people who would aquire them anyways for criminal purposes. Criminalization mainly harms the law abiding people. >fast food Food can hardly be derezzed, but commercial production of high value food could be promoted by i.e. tax exemptions. Hard drugs are too addictive to be used responsibly by the vast majority of the population and should be made illegal. Simple as. Those who still resort to these substances, should suffer the consequences.

>>16018 >FWIW, shrooms are a lot more of a wild ride than LSD. You mean more unpredictable, less "clear headed"? Because with LSD I found the heightened self awareness coupled with increased empathy immensely useful in getting clear thoughts on various things. It was very therapeutical. Also lower dosages give more of this "therapeutical" and less of a "spiritual" effect. Can shrooms have similar effects at lower dosages perhaps? The mist i've tries was 170ug LSD which may have lost some potency since I was carrying the blotter in my pocket for some time.

>>16029 Unpredictable is the word. Only done acid once, iirc either 100 or 150ug, but it felt... tame. Very easy to stay in control, honestly much more recreational than spiritual. Only really "took me in" once at the very peak, and that was for all of five minutes. Ofc I also wasn't a fan of the long-ass halflife. Done shrooms (actually various synthetic tryptamines) many times, almost always visceral, gut-feeling, wild ride. Thoughts to the left and right, etc. Can still pull my head together if needed but much more capturing/spiritual/etc. Low dose tryptamines just feel like the higher doses but weaker. > immensely useful in getting clear thoughts on various things. It was very therapeutical. I've never used psychs this way. MXE used to be great for this, but that is a different story. >>16028 I used to be pro-legalization for hard drugs. My current stance is criminalizing exchange but not production for personal use (similar to how home alcohol production is handled). If you are smart enough to make your own meth or grow your own heroin poppies, be my guest. This is basically impossible to regulate anyways. Trying to strike a balance between individual liberty and "not having a (non)society full of crackheads".

>>16030 My experience with acid has been that it took me completely out of my depressive repetetive state of mind with its uplifting effects lasting several days afterwards. I think it's a very powerful drug that can completely reshape your thinking. As you said shrooms are unpredictable, maybe they are indeed less suitable for "therapeutic" purposes?

>>16011 Still nuffin. Don't know when exactly I injected those spores, but I'm getting worried. Must've been at least 2 weeks.

>>16172 Goin very slowly >post too short or empty fuarrrk youuuu sarrr

So are pan cyans the final boss of shrooms? Or are there other species (perhaps even within psilocybe) that offer a similar or potentially even more profound experience for the seeker?

Found the mushroom stash of a dead guy. But he died so long ago (like 5-6 years) that the psilocybin in the mushrooms had dissipated completely. Absolutely no high. But they tasted pretty good. Now I have a whole mushroom growing setup lol.

Where to buy shroom spores (preferrably solution in a syringe, but prints are okay too) in Austria (preferrably Wien) with cash, in English, no questions asked?

>>16735 Mushrooms.com does cash payment and is a great vendor from the late 90s that’s still active.

>>16735 Bought mine from querbeet.at

They make me puke, its hard for me to say how shroomd and other psychs have impacted my depression because the time I realized I had it and got diagnosed and started therapy coincided with heavy psych use. I will say while they always made me a bit prone to vomitting when I increasingly started to puke doing them also coincided with me being in a years long relationship where I frequently felt I had to behave a certain way for the sake of the other persons happiness. Everything would feel like "too much" on the shrooms and id start throwing up for hours. It wasnt even like mentally a traumatic or bad trip just physically i couldnt stop puking. I was seeing some cool fun stuff while hung over the toilet. I have some now and its possible if I took them again id just have the normal comeup anxiety slight need to throw up, its likely I suppose as they say the shrooms were trying to "teach me something" which was how much I was suppressing my own emotions for others hence it all coming out in a wave of puke. I have an autoimmune condition likely linked to my depression and in the years spent in my last relationship its begun attacking my joints likely as a result of the way ive neglected my own emotionality. I probably should have taken it as a sign when after this I decided id probably never be able to do shrooms again while in the relationship I was. A similar thing happened when a friend in a very bad mood spell was clearly trying to recapture the relationship we used to have by asking me to do shrooms with him (which we used to trip together a lot). The vomits came in response to this pressure I felt to perform. Its all clearly partly my fault, people wouldnt expect me to perform if I hadnt allowed those around me to set such expectations. Maybe another trip is in order to focus on learning to say no and not worry if people will leave if I express how im truly feeling.

Currently cultivating mycelium. I injected it into my growing bag (I bought one of those rice-substrate mix kits), and it took two weeks for the first patch to show up. I shook up the bag, watered it, and waited. 3 days later, more is growing throughout the bag. I'm excited!

Finally giving PF a try again. Working with Golden Teachers and Penis Envy. Wish me luck, still a bit of a n00b.

>>10965 Is this mold? >post was too short or empty Thank you very much.

>>17386 No that is what happens when you do not have proper fresh air exchange. Unfortunately I ended up sacking my first grow because of this exact same issue, when in reality it was perfectly fine. Get some air exchange going in there and it will correct that issue. Research more about how the whole thing works.

>>17388 Oh. I thought the Shotgun Fruiting chamber would allow for enough aur exchange. But considering I hid the thing under my bed until now, that kinda defeats the purpose of all those free air holes in the box. I just changed the location and hope I didn't already desecrate the whole growth. I also saw conflicting information regarding humidity. Should I spray the destilled directly onto the cake or only on the sorrounding walls/perlite ground?

>>17392 Anon, you were supposed to put it on stilts so it would get air from the bottom, you did it completely wrong. I am not going to speak to you about this anymore. Please go on shroomery.

>>17393 I got it from a friend after I fuarrrked up my pf-tek cakes by them drying out apparently due to me not getting the flour/vermiculite mixture right. He has a different sort of fruiting chamber. But he is a long time grower and had many flushes with his method. Picrel is his setup.

>>17393 The cake he gave me is made up of grains. He says the most important quality of a substrate is its ability to store humidity.

>>17394 Talk to him then. Please, thank you.

Finally starting to pin some PE and GT. Still a noob, but learning much more now. Spring vibes abound.

Tried shrooms a few times, but only up to 3g. It was always fun and stuff but my depression never got away. Maybe i need to do a higher dose or plan my trip differently. A friend of mine had grown them, eat like 3g, after 2h he didn't notice much and just shoved in the other 4g he still had because they were so tasty like chips. Oh boi did he go on a trip. In the middle of a forest he and a friend that also was on shrooms they got kinda lost and maps said that their village was basically nonexistent. They freaked out that they lost their home but he managed to call his sister (after 7 times trying to dial her number) and she picked them up. Still i really like shrooms and they are imo better than LSD because its not that long lasting and LSD is also very exhausting because you always have the feeling that you have to go to the bathroom or otherwise you will piss urself. But i have to admit that i once had a trip of my life on just 1 tab of 1S-LSD, i could see the future and the reality was morphing that i thought we live in a matrix, my friends are part of the system and i was alone against the world. Pretty crazy but also damn interesting.

best friend had a seizure 1/10 . tldr dont do shrooms on lithium ig

>>17541 that's why you do some research before taking drugs. https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms#Dangerous_interactions

>>17541 >>17543 In my nana's day we called this "natural selection"

>>17534 Ok I'm back from my trip. someone said that shrooms starts getting serious at around 3,5g so i took 4,2g and i knew that i might throw up. Yes i almost did, I became nauseous about 30mins in up until about an hour after the peak. We went inside after i noticed this, sadly i couldn't handle it that good because people were in the park too and that just was too much for me while feeling sick. In future i'll never go higher than 2g. 3g is exhausting enough and i hate getting nauseous, especially that one time i came back from a small hill in my hometown, i was in the subway and suddenly got sick, thankfully i had to leave the train already so i got out. I had to change trains and wait like 6 mins but i had to keep walking because i'd throw up if i just stood there, so i walked the 30mins home instead of using the tram. Same happened another time but on LSD, i had to rub my finger on the upper half on the nose the whole subway ride because i became nauseous, 15 minutes of just trying to not throw up while everyone in this full train looks at me because of my (goth) appearance. Did u have similar experiences?

How bad is the hangover with shrooms? I've got tests next week, so I'm planning on studying the whole day tomorrow and sunday, but a friend asked if we could do shrooms today and I couldn't say no.

>>17595 Only some people get a hang-over effect, and that is quite rare. Has this happened to you before? It never has to me. T. 16 year shroomer

>>17596 No. Tomorrow'll be my first trip.

>>17597 Dont worry its like a 10% or less chance you will get any hang over at all. What is your set and setting and dosage going to be?

>>17598 I'll be taking 1.5 grams of dry cubensis. I'm not too familiar with this stuff about setting; we'll be taking them in the garage while listening to music.

>>12828 Ego death is literally slave morality, you don't want that.

>>17627 it would be if you remained in that state forever and could not function in ordinary life as a result, but as a temporary state it can be profoundly healing when properly carried out and properly integrated

>>17627 >ego death SEEMS LIKE slave morality TO ME, I don't want that (because MY EGO does not like relinquishing control) ftfy, junior

>>17631 Have you ever seen how pearls are harvested from Clams?

one of my friends gifted me the mushrooms we wanted to do together before I moved. now I have them and no one to take them with. I've also never taken mushrooms before. I've done LSD, mescaline, DMT and derivatives before. Also have party drug experience with keta, coke, pcp. Obviously weed, but recently had some bad reactions to weed, a lot of heart racing. Don't like the body feel at all anymore. I don't use [drugs], I only tripped with friends on special occasions. Maybe 11-12 times in the last three years. What do I do Lain? I live at home again and none of my home/school friends do psychedelics.

>>17804 start by taking a gram, if you like that wait a week and take 2-3

>>17804 I'll take them with you. I'm extremely rich so I'll come to your place and be your new best friend. Deal?

Took 3.4g some days ago and after 3:30h and a good amount of effort with deep introspection laying in the dark I got into a really neat mental state where I understood and accepted in all subconscious levels what 'god' was, which isn't someone; just everything alive and also not alive in different levels of complexity and realization, acting as pillars or supports that reinforce the presence of 'god'. Everyone has equal potential spiritually. I understood all problems that affected me emotionally were ultimately fake distractions and irrelevant. I felt like all my body's capabilities were available to me and I had never felt more alive. My depression also got completely eradicated and I had perfect mental clarity, like all of the shrooms' effects were completely replaced by this state of perfect clarity and control. Colors were richer, my vision seemed sharper and everything was beautiful and meaningful. I felt like my life was complete and didn't need anything else at all, that I could die in peace. The choice on what to do next was completely up to me, no mental blockages seemed to hold me back on anything I decided to do. I interpreted this sudden change of effect as an understanding that shrooms let you see your fragmented, chaotic mind subconsciously worrying about fake problems, and once you manage to piece it all back together you achieve perfect mindfulness. I felt a sudden urge of responsibility to help people realize this, and while thinking about how to go about doing that I noticed that the clarity was lessening, due to worrying about fake problems out of my control again. After a bit of further thought, I realized it doesn't really matter if the world goes down the soykafter because there's infinite time for a collective feeling of unity to come up. Eventually I felt the usual feelings of anxiety gradually coming from my heart again. I believe it has left a mark anyways. Most of this could be a delusion I guess, but I still feel it mostly makes sense.

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